November 19th, 2011
10:31 PM ET

The gospel according to Herman Cain

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Editor’s note: This is part of an occasional series of stories looking at the faith of the leading 2012 presidential candidates, including Mitt Romney, Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich. We profiled the faith journey of Herman Cain before he suspended his campaign.

(CNN) – On a bright spring day in 2007, a black-robed Herman Cain officiated the wedding of a young couple at a mansion outside of Atlanta. The sun sparkled on the pair’s wedding rings as Cain, an associate minister at a nearby church, held them aloft.

All seemed perfect.

When it came time for the bride and groom to exchange vows, however, Cain was dissatisfied with the volume of the groom’s “I do.”

"Say it louder," Cain told Matt Carrothers.

“When he tells you to say, ‘I do,’” the groom recalled, “it almost sounds like the voice of God telling you that and you take it very seriously.”

In the race for the Republican presidential nomination, Herman Cain is not seen as a candidate who wears his faith on his sleeve. Mitt Romney’s Mormonism, Rick Santorum’s Catholicism and Michele Bachmann’s evangelical Christianity have all garnered much more attention than Cain’s Baptist-flavored beliefs.

On the campaign trail, Cain is more apt to talk about his business acumen and leadership skills than his faith. His unlikely rise as a straight-talking White House contender was pegged largely to the popularity among fiscal conservatives of his “9-9-9” tax plan.

But those who know Cain describe him as a devout Christian who leans on his faith in times of hardship. That would appear to include the present moment, when a flurry of sexual harassment allegations and a viral video of a Libya interview gaffe are renewing doubts about Cain’s legitimacy as a candidate.

Indeed, Cain’s religiosity runs deep enough that he regularly delivers sermons at his childhood church, has recorded a gospel music album and has a traveling minister as part of his campaign apparatus.

Carrothers - who worked as Cain’s political director during his failed 2004 bid for a U.S. Senate seat from Georgia - says one of Cain’s favorite sayings is, “There’s our plan, and then there’s God’s plan.”

Rev Herman Cain presides over the wedding of Matt Carrothers and Debra Ann Delong.

“You may think that things are going wrong in your life,” Carrothers says, paraphrasing the candidate, “but just step back it will always get better.”

Faith and work, hand in hand

Cain’s faith journey began at a young age. Born in Tennessee and raised in Georgia, he and his parents joined Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta when he was 10.

The 134-year-old, historically black church was founded by freed slaves. For the Cain family, faith in God and hard work went hand in hand.

Cain has written that his family grew up so poor they were “po.” His mother was a maid and his father at times worked three jobs at once: as a barber, a janitor at Pillsbury and a chauffeur for Coca-Cola executives.

His father, Cain writes in his 2011 book, “This is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House,” worked and saved enough to buy a modest home and quit two of his jobs, rising in the ranks at Coca-Cola to become the CEO's private chauffeur.

Herman Cain, meanwhile, would climb the corporate ladder, rising to become the CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, based in Omaha, Nebraska, and then head of the National Restaurant Association, where the sexual harassment charges originated.

Cain has always considered Antioch his spiritual home. The candidate declined to comment for this article, but Fred Robinson, a former Antioch minister who left to form his own church, says Cain’s late parents were pillars of the church.

Cain greets potential caucus voters prior to speaking at an Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition event earlier this year.

After he returned to Antioch amid “great fanfare” in 2000, Robinson says, Cain became a fixture in the deacon’s corner, a row of seats near the pulpit.

On any Sunday, Cain could be seen sitting with the other deacons in his favorite light-blue dress shirt shouting, “Preach Rev!” or “Say it.”

Cain became a licensed associate minister at Antioch in 2002.

The liberal church of Herman Cain

“Like most ministers, I felt called to preach the word of God and minister to the least, the last, and the lost, and minister to His people,” he told Christianity Today.

Antioch officials and Senior Pastor Cameron Alexander declined interview requests, saying the church doesn’t divulge information about members or staff.

But congregants paint a picture of Cain as deeply involved, part of a group of associate ministers known as the Sons of Antioch. Members say that if a man feels called by God to preach, he can approach the senior pastor about it. A trial sermon is then arranged.

If the congregation and pastor approve, the man undergoes training in scripture and preaching and can be licensed by the church to preach.

The Sons of Antioch are given the honorific of “reverend.” The positions are unpaid.

Antioch is part of the National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. but like many Baptist churches, it operates largely autonomously. The process of appointing ministers is particular to the church.

As an associate minister, Cain sometimes preaches at Antioch and regularly helps distribute the elements of communion, a role he has kept up while campaigning for president.

Valencia Seay, a Georgia state senator and longtime member of the church, falls on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Cain. But she said they put politics aside on Sunday mornings.

From the pulpit, Cain is “charismatic, he is knowledgeable, he is on point, and he knows the Word.”

“He can lift a hymn,” she said. “It’s always enjoyable to hear a minister who can not only deliver a powerful message but also finish it with a song that speaks to that message.”

While in Omaha at Godfather’s Pizza, Cain put his singing to work, directing a men’s chorus at Pilgrim Baptist Church and cutting a CD of gospel tunes. The proceeds went to charity.

On the campaign, Cain sometimes sings for supporters and once serenaded reporters with a hymn at the National Press Club.

God-centered self-determinism

For all his church involvement, Cain’s message of self-determinism is seemingly at odds with Antioch’s focus on social justice.

The Rev. Gerald Durley, senior pastor of Providence Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta, told CNN that Cain’s call for blacks to forget about racism and pull themselves up by their bootstraps doesn’t mesh with the philosophy of Antioch’s pastor.

“He’s not going to talk about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps,” Durley says of Antioch’s pastor, Cameron Alexander. “It’s about providing bootstraps.”

Since becoming an associate minister at Antioch, Cain has preached in pulpits around the country, often eschewing the big paydays of motivational speaking gigs for modest preaching honorariums.

In many of those sermons, Cain has promoted a message of self-reliance.

In 2003, while Cain was running for Senate, he preached at the Crystal Cathedral, a high-profile church in Southern California headed at the time by the Rev. Robert Schuller.

“I told Bob that I was so excited that it inspired me to prepare a two-hour message for you this morning,” Cain told the congregation.

“Bob said, ‘That’s great, as long as you can do it in 20 minutes,’” Cain joked.

Cain’s sermon, which was beamed around the globe as part of Crystal Cathedral’s “Hour of Power” TV broadcast, focused on the biblical verse Mark 8:36.

“For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” Cain quoted.

As he continued, Cain's message seemed to harmonize with his libertarian politics.

“Finding your purpose in life is a continuous process that God reveals to each of us when we are ready and when God is ready,” he said. “Living our purpose in life is a decision.”

In the gospel according to Herman Cain, God may lay out plans, but it is up to each believer to push forward - regardless of obstacles - to reach that goal.

For Cain, that’s meant repeatedly running for political office despite his failure to win.

Cain addresses the Northern Virginia Technology Council and the Consumer Electronic Association earlier this month in McLean, Virginia.

From the pulpit of the Crystal Cathedral, Cain traced his political career to an epiphany that accompanied the birth of his granddaughter in 1999.

“The first thought, so help me God, that went through my mind when I looked at that little face was, ‘What do I do to use my talents to make this a better world?’” Cain said. “God had revealed my next purpose in life at an unexpected moment.”

In his 2005 book, “They Think You're Stupid: Why Democrats Lost Your Vote and What Republicans Must Do to Keep It,” Cain said that epiphany led to worrying about
leaving Social Security and Medicare a “mess” for her.

“For three and a half years I would not be able to answer the question of what do I do to make this a better world,” Cain writes. “But I would often reflect on the words of the prophet Isaiah (40:31): ‘They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles.’”

In 1999, Cain formed Citizens for Cain Exploratory Committee to test the waters for a presidential bid in 2000, the National Journal reported at the time. He made campaign stops in Iowa and New Hampshire, according to press reports, which focused on his business acumen and the fact that he was a black GOP candidate, not his religious proclivities. He eventually backed Republican candidate Steve Forbes and joined Forbes' campaign as a national co-chairman.

Three and a half years later, Cain ran for the U.S. Senate, saying the decision had been divinely inspired.

“Being on a God-inspired fast track of success and surviving the many things that could have gone wrong was no accident,” he writes.

He woke early one morning to study the Bible as he wrestled with whether to run for Senate.

The Bible fell on the floor, Cain writes, and opened to Matthew 18, where Jesus asks, “What good is it for a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?” - the same words he would quote from a different gospel at the Crystal Cathedral.

Later that week, Cain writes, he heard a sermon titled “The Calling” by Alexander at Antioch. After the service, Cain consulted with the pastor.

Cain said he felt God was calling him to run for Senate. According to Cain, the pastor responded: "How much louder does God have to tell you something?"

Not long after, Cain threw his hat in the ring.

Looking for God’s road signs

He would lose in the Republican primary to now-U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson, but Cain took a respectable 26% of the vote. Being a millionaire black conservative made him somewhat of a novelty, and he attracted lots of national and local press.

The experience helped Cain land a conservative radio talk show in Atlanta, a book deal and appearances on national television.

Indeed, Cain sees God’s hand in his 2004 loss. Referring to his radio show, Cain writes, “I believe that having that program was God’s way of forcing me to understand the critical issues confronting our nation.”

While his radio career was humming along, Cain faced a major challenge in February 2006, when he was diagnosed with colon cancer.

The diagnosis tested the faith of Cain and his wife, Gloria. But he saw the hand of God at various points in his treatment.

After the initial diagnosis, Cain’s Atlanta doctor wanted him to get a second opinion from a specialist in Savannah, Georgia, some five hours away by car. Cain didn’t want go, but then he learned the specialist’s name: Dr. Lord. That was the first sign.

Later, Cain went to MD Anderson Cancer Center, a Houston hospital specializing in cancer treatment, after his business pal Boone Pickens called to get him in.

The nurse who gave Cain and his wife their orientation tour at the hospital was named Grace. Yet another sign, Cain writes.

And when it was time for surgery, the doctors explained they would be making a J-shaped incision. “Like J-E-S-U-S?” Cain asked the doctor. The candidate would go on to call the incision a “Jesus cut.”

“You see, the Lord gives you these road signs - that is, if you know how to recognize them,” Cain writes.

By January 2007, Cain was cancer-free. The road signs began to change. He returned to the radio airwaves and began sowing the seeds of a run for president.

‘You got the wrong man, Lord!’

Herman Cain did not want to run for president. He did not want to be president. But God told him to.

In a campaign speech in early November, he told the Georgia Young Republicans he never considered running for president until he saw President Barack Obama’s “arrogant disregard for the people,” which he said weakened the county's economy, military and standing in the world.

“That’s when I prayed and prayed and prayed. … More praying than I’ve ever had to do in my life.

“When I finally realized that this was God saying what I needed to do, I was like Moses. ‘You got the wrong man, Lord! Are you sure?’ Now, you're not supposed to doubt God. But I'm going, ‘I think maybe you're looking at somebody else.’”

Cain announced his candidacy for president in January.

Cain speaks during a campaign visit to Versailles, a Cuban restaurant, in the Little Havana neighborhood of Miami on Wednesday.

To be sure, Cain is hardly the only candidate who has said that God wants him or her to run for president. Rick Perry and Bachmann have expressed similar sentiments.

“Maybe God just wants a good race,” says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia.

Sabato points to the large numbers of religious Republican voters in the Iowa caucuses and South Carolina primary. Many voters in those states “respond to language like that,” Sabato says.

Benny Tate, senior pastor of Rock Springs Church in Milner, Georgia, has accompanied Cain on the campaign trail, joining the candidate on recent trips to Ohio and New Hampshire. Tate said whenever they stop to eat on the road, “Herman will literally bow his head and thank God for that food. It may be something small, like a sandwich, but I’ve never seen Herman have a meal where he didn’t thank God for the meal.”

Despite that piety, Cain has had his fair share of trouble with the Christian Right.

In an October interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan, Cain seemed to mix two disparate positions on abortion. He said he believes life begins at conception and that he opposes abortion in all cases.

But he also said government ought to stay out of a family’s decision - a line that seemed to speak to Cain’s limited government, tea party-flavored conservativism.

The comment enraged many anti-abortion groups and is featured in a new web ad for Bachmann that’s aimed at positioning the Minnesota congresswoman as the true anti-abortion candidate.

While most of the other Republican candidates have reached out to Focus on the Family, an influential evangelical organization and long a stopover for GOP figures, the group has not heard from Cain.

But those who know him say Cain’s focus on economic issues is an outgrowth of his faith and his view of an individual’s ability to chart his or her own course.

“Herman sees the pressing issues of our day are economic,” Tate said. “Because of his faith he sees that that can turn around. One way he sees that is through personal responsibility.

“Herman believes that, ‘By the sweat of thy face thou shall eat bread,’” Tate said, referring to Genesis 3:19, in which Adam and Eve are banished from the Garden of Eden.

Cain has used this idea to criticize the Occupy Wall Street movement.

“Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks,” he recently told The Wall Street Journal. “If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself!”

That idea is not original to Cain. It is one long found in black churches.

“The fiscal conservative thread … not being dependent on anybody else, especially not ‘the white man,’ is a theme that is decades old in the black community,” said Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church, a black megachurch in Maryland.

Jackson, who was invited to give an opening prayer when Cain kicked off his presidential campaign, says Cain is representative of many conservative black evangelicals - though he might not be getting many votes from the folks at Antioch.

The question remains whether Cain’s blend of self-determination and striving to complete what he sees as God’s plan will land him the Republican presidential nomination - whether he wants it or not.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Baptist • Belief • Christianity • Georgia • Herman Cain • Politics • Race • United States

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  1. iemand kwijt

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    April 4, 2012 at 11:36 am |
  2. sis

    Stop eating the pudding! Where is the proof? Why haven't we heard what was in those text messages? can somebody show me what text messages were written between Cain and his 'friend" he had an 'affair' with for 13 years? What was the language? I have friends that call and text me a lot of times. Does that mean I am having an affair!? It's crazy! this is dirty politics at its best, Don't you, useful fools see that we are manipulated in voting for the candidate they want?!

    November 30, 2011 at 8:02 am |
  3. Secular Truther

    Another candidate who says his main influence is a religion based on a book that is full of inaccuriate history, tribal war after tribal war and magic. No new ideas and do we really need someone who thinks god wants them with power, isn't the wars the main economy killer. Do we need another one?

    November 22, 2011 at 6:27 am |
  4. 99.5RT

    @ Sid

    Why not mock, insult, ridicule those "dumbfuks" till your lungs out? Why God?


    Kindly read my reply to Sid

    @ Talullah

    I posted it in two articles. Although two is plural but I wish you have the common sense to grasp that it does not full into the category of being "numerous" yet.

    November 21, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • Observer


      Have you figured out yet the hypocrisy of picking on people for "insults" when you insult them? There's insults on both sides, so why not skip the hypocrisy?

      November 21, 2011 at 5:11 pm |
    • Analyzer


      I think it was rather a wake up call than an insult. More often than frequent, it's your pride and ego processing it to become the other way around. Well, truth really hurts.

      November 22, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • 99.5RT


      I would apologize but it if you or someone else feels insulted or hurt but you can't stop me to be true on how/what i feel on a certain situation the way I say it. And I would never think a second thought of expressing it anytime and place, if somebody or the situation calls for it.

      I value honesty. I would rather hurt somebody by being honest than giving false hope and shallow happiness through fake compliments and pep talks.

      November 22, 2011 at 11:54 am |
    • 99.5RT


      I would apologize if you or someone else feels insulted or hurt by my I have said in my posts but you can't stop from being true on how/what i feel on a certain situation the way I say it. And I'll never take a second thought of expressing it at anytime and place, if somebody or the situation calls for it.

      I value honesty. I would rather hurt somebody by being honest than giving false hope and shallow happiness through fake compliments and pep talks.

      November 22, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • 99.5RT

      Should be read, *hurt by what I've said

      Better to take a nap (yawn).

      November 22, 2011 at 12:08 pm |
  5. Reality

    Dear Mr. Cain,

    The gospel in the 21st century in less than 500 words:

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    November 21, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
  6. JohnQuest

    Nonimus your argument is too rational to be understood. Try something like "God wrote the Bible, we know God wrote it because it is in the Bible and God wrote the Bible". That's the type of argument that makes sense.

    November 21, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
  7. PB

    Well. His theology is... interesting. Not so sure about this self-reliance thing... isn't a Christian to have God-reliance?

    I like the guy. But doubt a "Herman Cain" will be president. Then again, I never expected "Barack Obama" to be president...

    November 21, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
  8. Nonimus

    @catholic engineer,
    "However, Hollywood turned us into peeping toms decades ago with their obligatory bed scenes."

    Odd that when God tempts us and we succu.mb, it is free will and our fault, but when Hollywood does it, it "turn[s] us into peeping toms." By that logic, did not God Himself turn us into sinners?

    November 21, 2011 at 1:24 pm |
    • Nonimus

      sorry, intended to reply to posting at bottom of this page.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
  9. Michael King

    Eric Marrapodi, sorry but you misquoted the Bible. The correct wording is: Matthew 16:26 or Mark 8:36 says ... "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? ..." (KJV) No problem though, I'm sure a good many of the readers of CNN would not notice. However lets hope the innuendo that God does not call anyone doesn't upset God Himself. Look at what happened to Pharaoh when he doubted Moses.

    November 21, 2011 at 12:06 pm |
    • Get Real

      Michael King, "Look at what happened to Pharaoh when he doubted Moses."

      What happened?... a cascade of perfectly natural disasters which still occur occasionally all over the world. That Moses (or whoever put together the OT stories) credited it to "God's" intervention on behalf of 'his' "Chosen Ones" is pure ethnocentric bosh.

      November 21, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
    • ThinkForYourself

      "Look at what happened to Pharaoh when he doubted Moses"

      Look what happened to Icarus when he went too close to the sun!

      Mythology really isn't the greatest for giving examples.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
  10. Sid

    Get over your Christian fairy tales already. There's no god and your bible is so full of errors that you'd have to be incredibly gullible to believe the set of hooey that's in there.

    November 21, 2011 at 11:30 am |
  11. J.W

    God I pray that an atheist will reply to this post by mocking me.

    November 21, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • JohnQuest

      J.W, why would anyone mock you, your arguments are always compelling? I don't agree with them and I don't find them to be sound but they are compelling.

      November 21, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • Chuckles


      November 21, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • J.W

      Well Chuckles kind of made my prayer come true, but JohnQuest complimented me so that probably kind of canceled it out. And thank you for the compliment JohnQuest.

      November 21, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • DamianKnight

      So, J.W. what does it mean if I mock you?

      November 21, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • fred

      You cannot escape your roots. Even in your mocking you mock 7 times. Seven is a holy number because on the 7th day God rested and looking on his creation said it is very good. So J.W. Chuckles is saying you are vey good, it's kinda like a man hug.

      November 21, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Chuckles


      ok freddy, now what does 8 mean?



      13? – Oh Sh.iy! That's the devil's number, does that mean it's now the equiv.alent of a bit.ch slap?

      November 21, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Is that an example of good logic or are you mocking Chuckles?

      November 21, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
    • J.W

      Hmm well Damian I am not sure since you are not an atheist. God would be being very mysterious there.

      November 21, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
    • J.W

      and Chuckles the mark of the beast is 666 so you are going to have to do it 653 more times.

      November 21, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Chuckles


      Don't tempt me

      November 21, 2011 at 1:06 pm |
    • fred

      If it looks like MOCK and walks like MOCK it must be a mocker. Perhaps Chuckles could star in the a movie called meet the MOCKERS.

      November 21, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • fred

      I was giving you a tuff time because 7 is important in Christianity but, in your native custom 7 is the symbol of Judaism. Now, I can jab you for skipping over 9 when you were doing the Mocarama (I think that is a dance). 9 is the # of candles on the menorah and Hanukkah fast approaches. I do have to hand it you on this one, while I celeberate a pagan holiday you at least will celebrate regaining your temple. Both of us will recount blessings sometime during the 8 day period. So atheist and Christian will unite for a brief time as we recite blessings

      November 21, 2011 at 2:05 pm |
    • Chuckles


      I knew you were trying to take a jab or two at me, but I will promise you 2 things. First, I won'e be celebrating hannukah by lighting any candles or saying any prayers or nonesense like that. It's a fire hazard and stupid. Secondly, hannukah is the dumbest holiday that jews came up with to feel relevant during christmas. As far as holidays goes, it ranks as one of the lowest on the totem and has even any prominance in todays world as a way to combat the intensely christian feel during most of December. Ask any jew you want, it's the stupidiest most useless holiday of judaism and I might get in trouble with the secret jew shadow government of the world but we only all pretend it's important so we can get gifts and push back against christianity.

      November 21, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • fred

      I took your advice and hooked up with a Jewish friend. Big mistake as I was told that most of what I think about the God of Abraham was based on bad translation of Hebrew and twisted by the now Catholics after Christ died. So, now I have been invited on a quest to find the real gospel of Matthew in the original manuscript which is hidden in the Vatican. Good gosh evolving from some goop may just be a short cut to the truth. The Vatican will never yield its secrets; while geology at least releases bits and pieces.
      p.s. they now make menorahs with energy efficient bulbs.

      November 21, 2011 at 4:53 pm |
    • J.W

      They would not release those manuscripts to one person probably. Maybe millions of people should get together and demand it.

      November 21, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • fred

      They learned their lesson releasing the shroud of Christ. Never forget the world, the devil and the flesh oppose the truth. The real battle is in the principalities of darkness and light now, that is big time stuff going on.

      November 21, 2011 at 5:12 pm |
    • Answer

      "The real battle is in the principalities of darkness and light now, that is big time stuff going on."

      Always the fantasies right fred? One moment it's conversion, the next about truth, then any other day find someone to hate and find an excuse in the bible to justify why you must blame that group.

      Blame them all for the troubles of not believing your silly book. Just like all the centuries before. This so called battle – of light and dark. Such imagination. Yet highly stupid.

      November 21, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
  12. Andre Harris

    I would never vote for a man that is for impeaching President Obama over President Bush just because he would rather be president. I'm sorry mister Cain but you are wasting the people's money by running for something you will never win. I'm black, but you do not impress me. Please learn your profession before running for it.

    November 21, 2011 at 11:13 am |
  13. 99.5RT

    If you don't believe, etheir in God the Bible or both, SO BE IT. That is your will and choice. Why there's a need to mock, insult, ridicule and nullify something that others believe in, just because you don't? How presumptuous, yet, how TYPICAL!

    November 21, 2011 at 11:10 am |
    • Observer

      "Why there's a need to mock, insult, ridicule and nullify something that others believe in, just because you don't? How presumptuous"

      Can't get much more hypocritical than that. Tell us again about atheists not having any common sense, which is one of your main themes. "How presumptuous"

      November 21, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • Sid

      99.5RT, actually, it's because dumbfuks like you get a vote too. We have to push back against your nonsense at every opportunity. Mocking is just one tool we have.

      November 21, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • tallulah13

      99.5RT has posted this in numerous places. Apparently that's what he/she is forced to resort to when he/she lacks a real argument.

      November 21, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • ashrakay

      Mocking of course has value. That's why it evolved as a part of our communication lexicon and behavior. However, I'll give you 2 reasons why mocking/insulting is good.
      1) It let's the person who is spouting insanity know that they will be met with firm resistance and that they should be cautious about ever bringing fantastic stories without evidence into the spectrum of reality.
      2) It let's other people who also know that these things are nonsense but may be too shy to speak up know that it's okay to voice their opinion and that they have strong support amongst the thinking class.

      November 21, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • 99.5RT

      Why not mock, insult, ridicule those "dumbfuks" till your lungs out? Why God?


      Kindly read my reply to Sid

      @ Talullah 13

      I posted it in two articles. Although two is plural but I wish you have the common sense to grasp that it does not full into the category of being "numerous" yet.

      November 21, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
  14. David Johnson

    I wish Cain would win the nomination. It would be interesting to watch a debate between Obama and He.

    It's 3:00 A.M. The phone at the White House rings. Who in their right mind would want Cain to answer?

    It doesn't really matter who the GOP nominates. They are all puppets of the rich and the Christian Right. We need a fair progressive tax and an absence of Evangelicals.

    Vote for the Dems in 2013.


    November 21, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • Nonimus

      @David Johnson,
      I usually agree with your comments, but I have to ask what this means: "We need a fair progressive tax..."

      Is a progressive tax the most fair? based on what?
      We currently have a progressive income tax, are you implying that it is not progressive enough to be "fair"? ...based on what?
      What is "fair"?

      November 21, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
    • Reality

      "The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul¬dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per¬cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare."


      Obviously, we need more rich people to reduce my tax burden !!!

      November 21, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Observer


      Last year, in these very tough economic times, the average CEO of a Fortune 500 company saw his benefits go up 24 PERCENT last.

      How did you do?

      November 21, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
  15. JohnQuest

    Tim, you know not what you speak. Unemployment went from about 4.3% to 8% under Pres. Bush (almost doubled) for Pres. Obama to do that bad unemployment would have to be about 16%, it's not, your argument is flawed and wrong. You also have know idea who Karl Marx was or what Marxism is, Pres. Obama may be a lot of things but Marxist is not one of them. Please read before you speak.

    November 21, 2011 at 10:23 am |
  16. Reality

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    (The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.)

    November 21, 2011 at 7:55 am |
  17. Kate65

    I prefer to think of the quote "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and unto God, that which is God's". I'm always amazed at the "good" Christian ministers who yell from the pulpit "Who would Jesus vote for?". Jesus never voted, and he is quoted as saying "whatsoever you have done unto the least of my people, you have done unto me". The Republican religious bigots need to remember that quote. Plus my all-time favourite "the letter of the law killeth but the spirit of the law giveth life'.
    I have nothing against Mr Cain, good luck to him, but frankly, if you're going to vote in a Baptist, you might as well vote in Billy Graham and have religion running the country. Or don't voters remember that one of the reasons for the Revolutionary War was the colonists being tired of having religion shoved down their throats.

    November 21, 2011 at 5:15 am |
    • catholic engineer

      Other versions of Revolutionary history say that America was founded for the sake of religous freedom. This usually meant freedom for "MY" religion, not yours. Example: the Puritans were awfully hard on the Quakers.

      November 21, 2011 at 9:30 am |
  18. Donald in CA

    If the voters of this country want a fool to run the country, then vote for one of the teapublicans. The right voted all these tea party folks in office last november and the country cant get any thing done now. Look at whats going on and that speaks for its self.

    November 21, 2011 at 5:15 am |
    • Tim

      the democrats voted in a Marxist novice, who cares nothing for what the people wants, just what he wants this country to be. His America not the America we know. And for the sake of winning the election the dem's let this arrogant man get into office who is not really American at all. Hillary would be better than he is. But that's no vote for Her. how is that change working out for you. 9% unemployment 5$ gas(which is His goal) outrageous electric bills. A govt that owns the people not of it. But your answer is to call herman cain a fool. that's real credible.

      November 21, 2011 at 7:45 am |
    • Observer

      "this arrogant man get into office who is not really American at all"

      Didn't the moronic "birthers" learn anything at all in their total humiliation?

      November 21, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
  19. bearysoft

    Yo Herman, sit down already...your 15 minutes are up!

    November 21, 2011 at 4:05 am |
  20. bluemax77

    Another man of God caught with his pants down...!!

    November 21, 2011 at 3:33 am |
    • Mirosal

      I guess Catholics aren't the only ones you can say that about anymore, are they? lol

      November 21, 2011 at 3:36 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Another man of God caught with his pants down...!!"

      Cool, we could use another Clinton about now, but do you have any proof other than four women that waited over a decade until he was in the spotlight to voice their made up accusations? 🙂

      November 21, 2011 at 4:03 am |
    • bluemax77

      @ Mark from Middle River – Do you have any evidence to the country...??

      November 21, 2011 at 4:58 am |
    • catholic engineer

      "I guess Catholics aren't the only ones you can say that about anymore, are they? lol"

      Point acknowledged. However, Hollywood turned us into peeping toms decades ago with their obligatory bed scenes. We seem to enjoy the bed scene but loath the real life antics of priests and preachers. In the 60's and 70's, an entire generation was pulling its pants down.

      November 21, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • ashrakay

      @catholic engineer, I don't think most people have a problem with that as long as it's consensual and not the pants of little boys like the 4000+ confirmed cases in the catholic church.

      November 21, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
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