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November 23rd, 2011
05:08 AM ET
Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Wednesday, November 23
Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories. By Dan Merica, CNN From the Blog: CNN: Santorum endorses profiling Muslims CNN: In season of giving thanks, signs that gratitude is back
CNN: Vodka ad boasting ‘Christmas quality’ at ‘Hanukkah pricing’ to come down amid complaints CNN: Report tracks explosion of religious lobbying in Washington Tweet of the Day: From @TheGazetteKevin: Woman accused of using Bible to smuggle drugs into prison? Isn’t this a common movie ploy? @CNNBelief’s follow of the day: Kevin Flower, or @KMFlower, is CNN’s Jerusalem Bureau Chief. Though many of the stories out of this bureau involve religion, Kevin and everyone at CNN Jerusalem has their finger on the pulse of the region’s news. Enlightening Reads:
Christianity Today: Michele Bachmann: ‘It’s high time we have a mother in the White House.’ New York Times: Poll finds religion is early drag on Romney Christian Post: New Atheist Holiday Ads Accuse Christians of Intolerance Quote of the Day:
Republican hopeful Mitt Romney made this promise during CNN’s National Security Republican Presidential debate on Tuesday. He said the only right course was to care about Israel. Today’s Opinion:
Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar, takes an interesting look at how the Puritans of New England celebrated Thanksgiving. “England’s Puritans were by no means allergic to fun,” writes Prothero. And an enlightening read for the road…
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How much is that doggy in the window?
I want him to phuck my ass....
Im a jew, I love gooberJuice down my throat and dropping doo doo in my panties while singing love songs.
A drunk staggered down the main street of the town. Somehow he managed to make it up the stairs to a cathedral and into the entrance, where he crashed from pew to pew, finally making his way to a side aisle and into a confessional.
A priest had observed all this, and figured the fellow needed some help, so he entered his side of the confessional. After the priest sat there in deathly silence, he finally asked, "May I help you, my son?"
"I dunno," came the drunk's voice from behind the part!tion. "You got any paper on your side?"
I see you rollin, Rollin! I be laughin!
i just realized that i have writing in every blog there is i should take a break
and why exactly should i take a break mr. fake me? it is a free and open forum to all who wish to post there thoughts...as you have clearly shown, the rules are laxed....and as i always say to those that steal my name – imitation is the highest form of flattery, but nothing comes close to the real deal! now shoo.... go be someone else, or perhaps yourself for a change!! whoa, imagine that!
WHEN is CNN EVER going to fix this small yet frustrating problem? Plenty of websites have registration that does not require verifiable personal information.
We could register a fake name, fake email and it could stop anyone from using the same name. We could still comment anonymously but be limited to only names that have not been otherwise registered.
Doesn't WordPress have this functionality? Are we to continue with these imposters taking everyone's names whenever they feel like it? Shall we start using the names of real CNN employees to make a point here? I'm seriously considering it as a form of protest!
Shut the fuck up!
All of us at CNN enjoy seeing comments like yours. Remember that we really don't care and you'll do just fine.
Don't listen to Dan. He's not really in charge of this blog. I am. CNN is a great place to work because we get to sit around all day looking busy. That's what editors do. That's why we have jobs and you don't. We know how to look busy.
Hey Dan, turn around. What do you see? LOL
I like tacos.
It makes my taco pop!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5d9RN0WzY
The GOP solution: Turn all the Old, Sick, Poor, Non-white, Non-christian, Unemployed, and Gay people into slaves. Then whip them until they are Young, Healthy, Rich, White, Christian, Employed, and Straight. Or until they are dead. Then turn them into Soylent Green to feed the Military.
Chuckles and Hippy, pledge to fix the DC traffic and I'll vote for ya, I'll even campaign for ya! Chuckles, what IS UP with DC drivers though? Do they just throw the keys at you and say "here, go for it?" I always have to take the train up!
Honestly,
Fuk DC drivers, they are the WORST I've ever had to deal with. My commute lasts only 10 minuets and by the end I have to have at least 5 minutes of meditation to calm myself down. Seriously, if there's one thing I would do when elected it would immediatly set to work creating a way to alleviate all the congestion and create enough different roadways so I would never have to deal with DC traffic again.
although as en elected official I would get a motorcade......that could be fun
Awesome! Chuckles/Hippy ticket, 2012!
Sorry! Meant Chuckles/Damian, 2012! Must have missed that post.
@AnnaMaria44, i am posting it here to keep convo separation or else confusion may ensue.. 🙂 I have put together a book, and am trying to get it published, its just a money factor... and i have kids, so getting it done now is not top on my list. The play i am working on thou, is... i believe it to be extremely good and a money making one at that...soooo.... But i would be glad to share few poems with you. Whats your taste?
Got it, I don't want to upset people again 🙂 I've always liked transcendental/existentialism type of poetry, you know "unlocking the keys of the universe" kind of things. Thanks!
yeah, sounds like you've got your hands full with the kids (and they are expensive!). Not going into this too much today, but going by some things that you said in your posts, I think you may be claircognizant: "knowing" things.
http://www.psychicbutsane.com/developing-psychic-abilities-spirit-world/developing-claircognizance- and I found a couple of other good sites on this.
"Claircognizants tend to be very mentally-oriented people. They are often analytical and are good at understanding abstract concepts and solving problems."
Can you still astral-project? I did as a child, and am having to relearn. When you've got time I'd like to hear about your UFO sighting, and I've had a couple of interesting experiences as well.
well, i don;t really buy into astral-projection, but i will say when i am in heavey meditation i do find a place where all is one, i feel as if i am floating and there are cloud-like structures all around me, but they swirl like a galaxy does but around me.
As far as i sighting goes – please don't judge, my mother couldn't help herself but to and since then, no one believes it – so i was outback on my stoop, i was ABOUT to toke a bowl (which i ended up not) and i saw a light in the sky, it was moving like a plane so i thouht nothing of it till it got brighter, then moved at a right angle... then it just dissappeared. I ran in to tell my mother who saw the bowl and said yeah, ok, your just baked, i showed the bowl, not a hit taken i said – she said probly the second pack! i said whatever...what could i do, i was holding evidence of a pyscodelic drug and claiming to have seen a UFO... not very good ground to stand on!
as for the poetry on unlocking the universe.... sadly i have none....i was hoping you were gunna say something like love/s-ex poetry, break-up/hate poetry, religious/god poetry, i didn't execpt you to go there. lol When it comes to such things as the unlocking the universe stuff, i tend to write more lines of meaning rather then poetry...i have a page of my quotes at home – thats 5 hours away from this point in time. I have afew already posted somewhere on this board, but i prefer to give upon asking of certain types.. so please , pick again -lol, sry! ...lol
You're too funny. I'm talking about astral-projection and you think I may judge you on your experience, lol!? Don't worry about what other people think. Anyway, yep, sounds like a UFO. As far as I've heard we haven't invented disappearing aircraft yet, what a cool experience to have!
Well any of your favorite poetry would work; I know you must have a few favorites, topic doesn't really matter 🙂
Check into claircognizance sometime, though. Could be that, or past lives- I've decided to keep an open mind on it all to get the flow going again, I've been kind of at an impasse all month.
ok heres one of my personal favorites – its a bit naughty, but its sooo good!
Awakened Desire
I dream of a night where i can blink eye and put out the light.
It's obvious to me now to get to sleep is held by slits allow.
When it came time for shut-eye and goodbye.
My spirit was set free for great depravity.
I bit my lip and clenched my fist,
But these tainted desires, these thoughts persist.
At the reach of each arm lay a tangible temptation.
Through the act of sin i find i love this abomination.
I caress her legs and run my fingers down her skin.
The warmth of her body, like a blanket I wrap myself in.
I @ssume her throne and bathe in her power.
I rock her earth and debase her flower.
Shy the sigh and give to scream instead.
Don't hold back, Lay with three in the artists bed.
One for me and one for you,
Lets find out what an extra four lips can do.
You have your toy and I have mine.
How fast can you make those eyes shine?
I make you my own and show you my cure.
You'll never walk right again, that you can be sure.
So I pull out and set my loin free.
I see in friends eye desire my specter be.
She charges hell's inferno and makes me her own.
But little does this wretch know there is no room for her on my throne.
Know if others fire burns in my eye, there will be no sleep for me.
For I find I have a grave gift of deplorable debauchery.
you like?
Wow! Talk about unbridled passions! It made me see the Rennaissance or Elizabethan age- some gigantic four-poster with nobility romping around. Of course I like it, you're a master at evoking images!
thank you very much... i wrote that in what i call my "John Wilmot" phase. check him out, now he is truly amazing!
Well no wonder then! I was close, an English Lord- the Libertine poet, from the Restoration Court. Nice stylization.
I'm beginning to suspect that you had a Lord Byron Romanticism phase, and possibly an Edgar Allan Poe one as well (he was actually from Richmond, educated at the Univ. of Virginia). Yeah, Lord Wilmot's great, these 2 are also!
i am a huge fan of poe and dic-kinson... but they both draw me in and make me rather depressed... its a good poetry spot to be in but not with kids!
heres another, this was written before i got into John Wilmot – if you have seen the movie "the libertine" the part where he is the who-res room and she is su-cking him off... he does a line that is nearly exactly like how i end this – it threw me for a loop, because i wrote this before seeing the movie and before i even knew of this man existence!
and my love for puns is beyond clear is this piece of art work-
Se-x on Stage
One with coin and set desire,
may produce counterfeit love that will always expire.
Now you arrive at the famed Caligula’s door
By now you thrive in the power to choose you own wh-ore.
The actors of life who work the streets
only add to mans immoral conquest.
But in modern society such acts do nothing but fuel the moral protest.
Know to boast is to presume you have the most.
Male, female, either or, both can be summed up within an hour,
For we all end up shrunk up, dried up, and withered like a dying flower.
i have no style of writing, just so you know, i write how i feel at the moment.
Again, very graphic, I can easily visualize the scene. I know what you mean about Emily and Edgar, I used to read 19th century poetry constantly while sitting up in tree when I was young- very depressing though.
Off subject but I did want to tell you about my experiences, and no one is really on here right now. This keeps getting blocked so I'll divide it up into 2 replies-one experience can be scientifically explained, the first one can't.
I went into a trance around age 9 or 10 and saw about a 30 or 40 year time span, like a quick movie. It started off with the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, then the Iranian Revolution, and then the US wars in the Middle East. It was awful, and I told everyone from my parents to teachers that our next wars wouldn't be with Russia (this was still during the Cold War) but in Middle Eastern nations. These events began happening about 2 months later.
Ok, 2nd big "vision" of my life- I dreamed about the really momentous event that happened in March, while it was happening. I think that I "felt" the Earth wobble or the energy vibrations from that huge event, and somehow knew what and where this was happening (I've been there once). Sorry, I had to write it this way so it wouldn't be blocked.
Back to the poem, I like the reference to Caligula. Saw a movie about him years ago and he seemed the height of decadance.
AnnaMaria44,
Was the March 'event' the earthquake in Ja-pan?
Ja-pan is one of those trick words that the goofy filter hits on (because of "j-ap" in it)
Yep, that's the one! Don't forget the tsunami. The dream included the rising ocean. Oh so that's why! Thanks for the tip!
But is was really horrible, and even worse after I woke up and turned on the news, and then saw it actually happening.
i have only had visions that i call visions when i was VERY messed up – as odd as it may sound, i find that drugs are my muse for certain things... i find that i know things when i am not messed up, but i have visions when i am... its a double edged sword.... because when i'm messed noone believes me, then when i'm not messed up, people claim that i am lieing about not being messed soooo i can't win and so have just let it be – i only ever tell my wife now about the things i see.
Thank you for you love of my poetry.... and i happen to own the movie made by penthouse about Caligula.. it only could have been done by penthouse! whats funny is its all true, and they left certain things because its even worse then most people can take... thats my favorite part!
would you like another poem?
More poems please lol!
Hmm, I see what you mean, "a double-edged sword." I usually only discuss dreams and visions with my daughter (sometimes my husband), since she sees worse things than I do- her 16 months in northern Iraq was really awful, both the reality of the constant violence and her night-time visions. And I probably will never talk about this one again, because just writing about it brought back the intense sickness that I felt at the time, especially as events unfolded and the loss of life was so great. It made me feel like the "messenger of blood and death."
Sure, another poem sounds great! Then I'll say "Happy Thanksgiving" to you and your family! Enjoy the children while they're young!
No more bad poems, please.
You might consider writing song lyrics, since the poetry requirements are more flexible in the music industry.
And did you consider that anything you post becomes the property of CNN? You're not gonna make any money with bad poems owned by someone else.
i feel you on the death part: poem, Away
From all over the world, down great mountains,
inti known valleys they flow.
Always to the place where great civilizations grow.
Only with the touch of the coast,
do they have the grain to toast.
Dreamy with bread, they hop ship and set sail,
Whenever power is in contend,
dilpomacy will fail.
From the same we are the same,
there is no need for calling name or laying blame.
In distant lands homeland friends live and die,
the ruling body – when asked,
gives the tell-tale lie of "its ok" lie
what tthe fuvk is up with that tatter!
I ask you your thoughts on the matter?
wrote that for high school who joined and never came home!
Hippy- really, CNN would own your poems? Hope not. Anyway, I'll send you my email or something, after Thanksgiving. Don't listen to the haters, lol! Modern society has no appreciation for poetry.
That's a nice tribute to fallen friends. The soldiers never know if they will make it back, 10 years of combat and so many lost. My daughter lost a friend (and several were wounded) on the day they were leaving to come home.
that in my opinion isn't a very good poem but i love for it because of what it means to me.... now i wanna toss this cause this is just pure sweetness in verse –
The Rose
A hidden treasure for me,
for others a vanity,
but for all of us some of the time , a fantasy.
Love is a word we all fear first to say then to lose,
the best part for me but worst for some is who we love we do not chose.
Would you pick the right one given the power of choice?
Would you ever question the sincerity of your lovers voice?
Do not dwell on right and wrong on the one you've choose...
for we all in a forest of thorns seek the rose.
this one you will see again if you go to plays...it will make the play truly beautiful... and a hint to the plays content – its the explaination of why Romeo and Juliet's families hate each other... its a good one! Now i think i'm boasting...sry.,.. i'll stop 🙂
wow. Those poems are very well written, aside from the grammer which you can do being your a poet. I love the first one, very very good. It is beautiful! I third isn't that good at all, but i can tell its personal so that explains that. But the last one is very true for all people, we do all seek the rose. Just amazing. Do you have any love poetry, not s-ex poetry?
oh do you have anything written shakespearian? but thats a love poem?
thank you stew... i do infact have one shakespearian poem.... this is one of my top five
Sleeping Beauty's Kiss
Who doth thy dove slumber by
time threweth window daylight creepeth fly
wingid letter caress maidens lip
robbeth thee beat thy feet by ground slip
turtles tears liveth lie in the garden by Eden
freshly tilled till time to seeden
power giveth to loves sweets
now by claims approval doth marriage meets
smiles climb to thine ears cliff proclaim pride
todays morrow knows no sorrow
for yesterdays beauty name thee bride
she who slumber heart awaken liveth forever may
foundeth loves true and liveth to claim loves day.
Your thoughts – anyone....
hippypoet
I like your work. Anything T. S. Elliot – like?
i have to admit, i know nothing by t.s. elliot... can you describe what your looking for at least discribe elliots work..?
hippypoet
Here's the prelude to The Hollow Men
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us-if at all-not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men
I love the way he sort of intones each verse. Here's part III of The Hollow Men
This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.
Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Walking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.
not sure how i am to post a poem like her's... hers doesn't make much sense to me honestly... but if i was to make an attempt –
The p@ssing of immoral pleasure
The p@ssing of immoral pleasure
is counted by satan and kept in perfect measure.
The edge of the world is upon us,
what do we do but dive in.
We strive for right but bathe in sin,
all of this without fuss.
What we need we do and get,
we do what we must but when life goes we do not fret.
Let our light shine and show,
where it lands, lets build a shrine and like water flow.
flick a coin into this fountain,
let hopes pile like a mountain.
Ponce De Leon finds what i found,
but little does he know to live is to drowned.
best i got to compare...you like?
the t!tle is The P@ssing of immortal pleasure, and the first line – sry...
seriously, get those published. they are freaking great! I mean that, i have studyied poems for years, i know most every poet from 1500's on, you are truly gifted!
again, thank you stew.. i have things in the works... its more a money issue at this point. I am in need of a good patron.......if you know any 😉
stew, if you'd like, check out my poems on the next article. I am considing just posting in poetic style!
hippypoet
The p@ssing of immoral pleasure – I like it. I wish there could be an iTunes for poets or some other way for writers to easily get their work out.
Th P@ssing of Immortal Pleasure – fits all the references, I'd wondered about that.
believe me, i hear ya on that one! i wish there was more people who cared about poetry...the world might be more interedting...even thou i harber a tad bit of , lets say un happy feelings towards the fence, i find the 1850's and on into the early 1900's to be some of the most amazing period in history for poetry and paintings...truly a beautiful time... have you ever tried absinthe? It is a very different drink... i am hooked to where i can't touch the stuff or else i have to accecpt a month or two long binge, but the dreams and poetry is untouchible!
thank you btw for getting me into Elliot... i am finding a new love of poetry. Also thank you for liking my poems...
hippypoet
Absinthe, I've only had the Pernod version. Only an imitation of the true Green Muse. I've only heard that you can get it in Switzerland. Seen recipes for it as well.
well, since the late 2008 or early 2009's its been legal, but to find the truest of absinthe, one must look...when i was in france i tasted what was considered to be the best of the new, and closest to the old.... here in the states recently we have an explosin of different absinthes.. but only a few have the proper worm wood, do the research and then find and tru some, its not an experience your likely to forget.... here, think about a booze that averages above 50% achol. the most % reaches 85%...but you don;t taste it... its like well, different!
hippypoet
Don't know if you can post an image – take a look at this:
http://media.eurekalert.org/multimedia_prod/pub/web/7953_web.jpg
imagine being wide awake and being completely drunk and high... there is nothing like it. And i have seen the real one of those when i was in the Louve...i think, there was ALOT of paintings, its an easy confusion.
I actually have one of the flat sieves that you use to hold up the sugar cube – the old way of preparing it. I'd like to give it a try.
i have never had the use of the special spo-on... i always used a chilled gl@ss, ice cold water poured over one ice cube over a tbsp of sugar with 1 oz. of absinthe entering the cup at the end... stir to perfection...
Maybe this one? High wormwood, 68% alcohol
http://www.absinthe.fm/products/Absinthe/Strong/Absinthe-ALANDIA-Strong68.html
i wanna keep this up but i am having wicked urges and already being drunk – its unbarible...
Hippy, beautiful, beautiful poetry! Thanks so much much for posting them.
I think a having a mother in the White House is a great idea, as long as that mother isn't a corrupt hypocrite like Bachmann.
Hush now baby, baby, don't you cry.
Mama's gonna make all of your nightmares come true.
Mama's gonna put all of her fears into you.
Mama's gonna keep you right here under her wing.
She won't let you fly, but she might let you sing.
Mama's gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
Ooooh baby, ooooh baby, oooooh baby,
Of course mama's gonna help build the wall.
love floyd!
There's already a mother in the White House, Michelle. Her name is Michelle, too.
Dummy.
sorry – that's drafted "if you didn't want to serve"
Here's the URL of the Christian Post article New Atheist Ads Accuse Christian of Intolerance (CNN is broken):
http://www.christianpost.com/news/new-atheist-holiday-ads-accuse-christians-of-intolerance-62786/
While normally I wouldn't read an article posted on such a site, the AHA has it right. If anybody took the time to research the holiday properly they would know that it is a holiday the christians stole from the pagans. There is no evidence that jesus was born at that time of year, in fact most historians estimate that he was born in the spring (if he actually existed). With all the commercialism of the holiday, it has become extremely secular and that is perfect...it should be more about family time than anything.
Bachmann: ‘It’s high time we have a mother in the White House.’
that is a great idea, only i don;t think Michele realizes that her idea doesn't work for her being she is still in every context, no matter the questions asked – a complete moron – and so while she did have ONE good idea, let us not forgot the mass of idiotic, racist, hateful, an just plain ignorant statements she has come out with ....and vote another mother in, one whose kids may actually turn out to be something! Not reality tv show! (palin) While i have said in the past that all advertisement and press people get, it still gets there faces in the public eye, but these bit-ches have create a colony of blind pyscopathic hyper believers park down wind of the leper colony created by perry and his goons.... hermain stands a hill outside somewhere in the middle of the two and preaches to noone – 666...
this sh!t it getting out of hand.....can we have one level headed person in office for once – Obama is ok, but in truth, i want a person who when they speak i stop and listen, not because i have to, but because i believe in the words, i feel the p@ssion...where is that person? what happened to those who spoke truth and did what they said they would? WHERE!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!!?!!? what has this world become when there isn't one worth there weight?
"where is that person?" and does he have great hair? It's all about positioning and marketing now.
i swear... with people like these hillbillies running for president ...... how can such a person of high moral standing and a good education just stand by and watch as his or her country gets put in the hands of those who aren't trusted with a butter knife at home??????? When are people allowed to run, 32 or 35? i forget... but if we are still a country – i will run, i will build my platform now until then, it shall be epic – i hope to lose thou....i truly don't want the responsiblity of running a country! hell no! but if i win then so be it! i will have posted somewhere that i am the hippypoet so all who know of me that way will know which one i am.... 🙂
In a better world you would be on a list of well-educated well-qualified people compiled by a jury of your peers (who elects the selectors?). Elected by general election, you would be drafted into the position didn't want to serve. If you did want to serve you be disqualified (of course).
sorry - that's drafted "if you didn't want to serve"
Oh, and in case of drought or national calamity you would face the fate of Saul Bellow's "Henderson the Rain King".
not sure i follow you.... i am under the impression that if i pose as independent, then i need not vote to be in the running, i just cast my lot like the others after they have been chosen to run as the head of there party... i am be wrong, i admit to knowing a great many things, but american history and laws are a weak point for me. 🙁
Hippy, I'd love to run myself, but I see two major problems:
I am not wealthy and I am an atheist. In this pseudo-pluto-theocracy that our country is slowly regressing into, that makes me doubly unelectable.
But hey, get your name on the ticket and I'll listen to what you have to say.
we seem to share the same faults, but by the time i can run for the president, perhaps the atheist part will be the norm.. but the wealthy will always hold power. Been that way for as long as we have placed value on things... i don't see that changing any time soon.
That's it, I'm fed up with the current crop of politicians.
CHUCKLES 2012, if you would like to apply to be my vice president please submit all applications on this board and I peruse them. Also, look for me at the Capitol in DC, I'll be the one with the CHUCKLES 2012 sign.
i'll vote for you chuckles.... is there an age limitation for the vice pres?
Yeehaw! My first vote! I believe that you have to be 35 years old for both pres and vice pres. Considering I am not 35 yet (not even close) I'm going to run anyways and try to repeal that stupid law. The last thing we need right now is some old crusty guy saying, "back in my day we used to use floppy disks" If elected, I will outlaw the term "floppy disk"
well, what we should do is create opposing sides of an argument, run against each other, then while in debate over our "issue" we form up and i go vice pres, you go pres and we become running mates – so with the following i shall gather, and the following you shall gather – we will take the other losers by storm... our theme song could be "riders of the storm" our solgan could be "theres a killer on the ride" subtext – its ignorance.. and we take stands on education and the like!
YOU IN?
Ok, as long as it gets to be my finger on the button sounds like a plan.
agreed... so lets do this. You know i'm not kidding right? I am totally down for this! And since we will most likely lose, we can use this as a platform for the next run...if we go in thinking like that, i think we have a better shot at getting our message across over time instead of putting all hopes in and getting depressed when we fail...exceptations breed disappointment, so lets plan for loss but still try to win!
Agreed,
we need to find a sweet spot of losing while not looking pathetic by losing a lot. People love redemption stories, so here's what I'm thinking. First, we start this campaign on completely opposite sides of the poli.tical spectrum, really raise name recognition within and outside of parties. You, or I, is going to have to switch parties so we can run under both the democractic and republican ticket. I'm thinking we appeal to the very very vocal mino.rity on the fr.inge of the parties. THEN after we lose, we immediatly start campaigning for the next election (or even wait 2 cycles so we won't have to run against the inc.umbent) and return the most moderate contenders ever. This could completely backfire .... but I like to live on the edge.
I won't lie to you though, one thing that might be a serious roadblock between us is that I hate, let me reapeat this because it bears repeating, I HATE poetry. Like, I find it the must frustratingly stupid thing every imagined and promise I will do everything in my power for the remainder of my life to try and outlaw poetry. I know this might come as a shock, but honestly it just infuriates me whenever I see a poem.
For instance:
The Red Wheelbarrow
so much depends
upon
a red wheel
barrow
glazed with rain
water
beside the white
chickens.
This is the dumbest fuking thing I ever had to read in my life. I lost precious seconds of my life just replicating it, let alone the 3 class periods spent discussing, analyzing and disecting this sorry excuse for words. It is because of the above poem that I have made it my mission, my goal, my only reason in life to try and make sure poetry is banned and ultimately removed from all school curriculums.
Don't do it, guys! Politics only breeds greed and corruption- do NOT want to see you both on a "lecture tour" 10 years from now, lol!
Oh speaking of poetry, yeah I'd love to read more, hippy! If you've considered publication, try sending in a poetry book first. Start by organizing poems into manageable sections. My daughter is also a writer (poetry and horror novels, strange combo) and has researched the process. Check to see if your area has any small, local publishing companies.
ohhh, you make me sad. 🙁 its ok.. i have been told by many that poetry is dead, and for all that i can see – it is. But having it removed from schools is not right – making it optional is the better "course" to take – hehe love the puns....but before you completely get engulfed by hate for poems – may i offer one that may be a little more to your likeing? or just perhaps a famous poet whose poetry is banned in many places for its crude and blunt nature!
Besides the poetry thing, if we go first from a set party to a independent party, that will eat us alive as it will be taken as wishy washy and fickle... those are very bad appearences to have – we should create a stance that never changes, but how we argue and our views on it does... that way we can change but still remain the same.
@Hippy
Sorry bro, you can spout all the poetry you want, but generally I think that anything written in prose and as a poem could be better articulate and well put in real english. I pride myself on turning a pretty good phrase now and again but nothing frustrates me more than reading something that is barely comprehensible just because it's "word art", same reason why I hate HATE modern art museums. My rule is, if I can create the same piece in 5 minutes then it's not real art.
As for our political aspirations. We don't go to independent parties, we have to run under a bipartisan ticket. This way, it still lets us stick to our views AND attract the moderates who like the idea of a bipartisan white house working together.
ok i like that bipartisian idea, but we need the backing of the parties... i don't think i could ever be repub. but demo. isn't much better, i will leave that choice of who where and when to you. Also we need to make friends with those that run the house or at best not make enemies. Our stance on religion can't be let known or we are totally screwed...
Indeed, I can get the ball rolling with my capitol hill cronies now (living in DC has its benefits) and as for the religion thing, what do you think plays better, Atheist or Jew?
A thousand times, Jew. You'll fit right in on the Hill!
well, being a jew can win over a huge part of florida, and parts of new york but after that, i'm not sure... and being an atheist will only get us the atheist vote... everyone else who believes for the most part will vote elsewhere.
I think because I'm an atheist jew that means the only way I'll even get a small bit of support is on the dem side. which means the repubilcan side is up to you.... DOn't worry though, I can coach you on fiscal conservatism and being a posterboy for israeli support.
@Chuckles,
I'll support your bid for presidency. And I can support the Republicans, but I'm going to make them move a bit more to the middle. "Yes, yes, yes, I understand you don't like abortion, but if you give on that, maybe we can get some tax breaks and can execute a few more people." See? It's all about compromise.
good, because this little joey is gunna need some coachin on the way they think... and what kind of israeli support exactly?
@DamianKnight, you believe in god right? Chuckles, let DamianKnight run as vice, i will write the speeches – don't worry, i will use spell check. 🙂 We need the god vote on different fronts, being a jew will help alot, but having both jew and something else – appears already bireligious and when we go bipartisian – can ya say shoe in!
@Hippy
If Damian wants the job, then accepted! I do love your stance on abortion vs. capital punishment, though we might have to discuss that too, I think you might recall my stance on that little issue, but the devil is in the details as it were.
@Hippy,
Yup. God-fearing Christian...who uses his brain. I may not be able to convince the EXTREME right wing (Pat Robertson is going to hate me) but I can appeal to the majority of Christians who don't believe we should stone gays in the street and blow up abortion clinics.
I'm totally comfortable with being vice. It means I get to sit in on Congress, BUT I don't get the flack for things not going the way we anticipated. But I get to visit a lot of foreign countries and have chats with leaders.
If you guys want your plan to work, you'll have to fake finding Jesse first, then if you do a good enough job in your first term come out as the Jew, or atheist you really are and try to get re-elected. I think America would vote for a Jew, or an Atheist right around the same time they vote for a ho-mos-exual, unless they had a rock solid track record, and an equally rock solid plan for the future. Sad... but true
ok, good...christians and jews working together... i think we could use a muslim – anyone else? our appearence is forming into one of pure understanding and not judging based on sterotypes.... this is merit folks!!!
@Hippy,
I think what we should do, instead of focusing on the Muslim, is get someone from a completely different faith. With the Jew and Christian, we have the Abrahamic religions mostly covered. I think we should get a Buddist or a Hindi. That would firmly cement that we're not just going for God/YHWH/Allah, but are open to all manners of faith or philosophy.
ah good man! this sounds like a plan to me... so where do we start? how to move this foward?
Hey guys, you need a female in your camp. I nominate my 21-year old daughter to be your National Security advisor. She was recruited out of George Mason at age 17 to go MI, and now she travels the world (I don't know where, because she can't say) to go on missions (no idea what her job is, she can't tell me) so I think she's probably highly qualified. I think she would probably be pretty good at keeping your global agendas secret.
i agree! black, white, religious, non religious, male and female.... we need to cover it all!
Anna, sounds like a good plan. How does your daughter feel about...how shall we say? Helping our opposition realize the error of his ways and renounce his/her candidacy?
Damian, oh you're talking about the guy who hasn't given the military a pay raise in nearly 3 years, and has cut their benefits while sending them off on extremely dangerous covert missions? No problem 🙂
Are tattoos a disqualifier for a Cabinet position though? Of course I could probably talk her into posing as a lesbian for a while, that would help with your GL supporters.
@Anna,
Yes, THAT guy. And you know, if he doesn't see things her way, well, wouldn't it be tragic if a drone mistook his car for some Al Qaida terrorist? Accidents are BOUND to happen.
As for tattoos, I don't think so, unless they are detrimental to the candidacy as a whole. We can't have the conservative right thinking we're a bunch of hooligans. We need to present a clean cut image, but tattoos can be hidden with proper clothing and make up.
No, they're pretty nice tattoos. No comment on the other,lol, she's still active duty and I'd hate to see her arrested, like that poor schmuck up in Alaska a few weeks ago.