On Sunday, Catholic Mass won't sound the same
Rev. Benny George is a associate pastor at St. Francis Xavier Parish in Burbank, California.
November 26th, 2011
01:40 PM ET

On Sunday, Catholic Mass won't sound the same

By Jim Roope, CNN Radio National Correspondent

(CNN)–If you’re Catholic, mass this Sunday will sound different for  the first time in nearly half a century.

You’ll hear it in the prayers of both the people and the priests.

“We have come back to a more accurate translation of the Latin from the Roman Missal,” said Fr. Rick Hilgartner, executive director of the Divine Office of Worship for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. “The language of prayer should be evocative, speaking in terms of imagery and metaphor.”

The changes are enormous, said Fr. Richard Albarano, of St. Francis Xavier Church in Burbank, California, and should help the 280 million English-speaking Catholics grow in their  love for the mass. “The mass is the center of our lives,” said Albarano.

Not since the Second Vatican Council in 1965 have such sweeping changes been made.

The Vatican II changes were radical – the priest spoke in English instead of Latin and he faced the people instead of having his back to them. An Old Testament reading was also added to the mass, a surprise to many who thought of the Catholic Church as a New Testament only church.

Other changes, large and small, were designed by Pope John XXIII to get the people (and not just the priest) involved in the mass. But the changes were not communicated in advance. People showed up one Sunday morning, and it was all changed.

“They wondered if they were even in a Catholic church,” said Albarano.

This time, the Catholic Church has been talking about the changes, and communicating them to parishes, since 2000. For the past three months, many parishes have been working to ready their followers for the changes in the wording of the prayers.

That doesn’t mean some won’t be caught by surprise. “It’s going to be like Vatican II all over again,” Albarano said. “I haven’t heard much about catechizing across the Los Angeles Archdiocese at all. We said we were going to do it. I hope we did.”

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  1. Frank

    I left the church years ago not because of the Mass as a matter of fact I enjoyed the Liturgy, I left because of Theocracy and the hypocrisy of the clergy.

    November 27, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • dddddd

      Church attendance has drop less and less each year people are tired of all crap and hype. You do not need to belong to said religion you can sit at home to pray. Read 1.
      a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

      a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

      the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

      the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

      the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:10 pm |
    • Liz the First

      I left the Catholic church many years ago when i found something that doesn't insult your intelligence. any church that expects you to believe stuff your intelligent self is gong 'HUH???' at is dangerous. you can love God and be a good person without buying into all the nonsense man has piled onto Jesus's teachings and that of all the other great teachers for the purposes of mind control and political power. and as i distanced myself from Catholicism, i realized just how deeply disturbing their communion is. i have no problem with the bread and wine representing the body and blood of Christ. but when you take it to the next level and say it actually BECOMES His body and blood, that is ritualistic cannibalism, and the ick factor of that is off the charts!

      November 27, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • dddddd

      You can be you own set of believers in your own home with your family.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Is English your primary language ? If church attendance has "drop", (dropped), "less and less", that means it has INCREASED. OMG. And they say the US education system is only the 15th worst. It is THE worst.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
  2. Ethical1

    Catholic church is archaic for banning married priests.
    For banning women priests.
    And criminal for hiding pedophile priests.
    They are as bad as any other extremist religion.
    You fools who "believe" are simple wrapped in cellophane.
    Chose ethics over religion.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • happypoet

      Are you a Catholic? If not, why are you dictating to Catholics? Catholics are moving forward. There are women taking on larger roles in the church these days. Eucharistic ministers, lectors, alter servers can be either gender now. I actually heard a 75 year old priest tell a small girl who asked if she could be a priest "maybe you will someday".
      As for the church scandals, You are probably unaware of the training that is now required in all parishes in the US, it focuses on spotting & turning pedophiles over to the police. With the recent Penn State Scandal people have begun to realize the fact that pedophiles are found in every organization.
      The majority of people who are Catholics are moderate in their beliefs. However, extremists exist in every belief system, including yours. Your vehement rhetoric reveals your extremism.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:31 pm |
  3. toxic zebra

    The “Holy Spirit” is the collective mass of ALL Life on Earth combined including animals, plants, fish and birds. When a "mass of people" as few as three gather and eclectically unite in prayer the sum of those souls becomes as one, hence; “When as few as three gather, I will be there” Said Jesus of Nazareth.
    The Catholic Canons today still reflect an over-shadowing façade of antiquity or represent only the archaic pre-nineteenth century teachings; keeping a demographic black and white shadow in today’s world of living color, which makes church ceremonies more resembling a tomb of the dying rather than a progressive inspiration for life, displacing the current active spirit of life with a turn of the last century antiquity fair, leaving the mind-pooling powers of the eclectic mass untouched, unharnessed, displaced by old indoctrination; A potential power so great it might be collectively focused in unison onto the hands of a healers in Masses. As if into a beam of faith, which then truly has the level of power witnessed in the fold of Saint Peter in his day and we know from the New Testaments in the Bible the greatness of the collective power they demonstrated, which is the body of St. Peter, that also being the collective body of individuals in mass and of all life. Any church is the body of its individuals and “a living church” calls for those individuals to align and focus into a great force that is also part of the One Oceanic-Scale Body of The Holy Ghost, Our Common Spirit Of Life. God Almighty has hidden himself in deepest darkness by simply incorporating himself into all life on Earth. Omni-present all the time, Ubiquitous.
    This ideology, this paraphrasing revives the motif: When Three Or More Gather, I am there and then employs it, appropriately in front of the full congregation or mass, focusing upon the hands of that healer with the uniform aligned belief that the Power of The Lord will flow through those hands and so it Shall. If you pray hard enough? If all souls present in a congregation have aligned as one and everybody’s on board! It’s not conclusive by itself idly, but as the collective heart envelopes and embraces it into motion; the supernatural levels of collective combined faith exercised by Jesus and developed by St. Peter and Disciples may be found therein and exercised and seen again today.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      The accurate quote is "two or more". Your concept is called Pantheism. It's old as hell, and been debunked.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Liz the First

      Thank you for posting this. you're absolutely right about the power of collective mind. that's why you can actually see in photographs the energy swirling around a circle of Wiccans. they actually get what Jesus taught and are following it with great positive results.Jesus' so-called followers, like Mildred the Mouth, could learn a great deal from them and other belief systems that actually practice what He came to teach us. too bad the Catholic church has failed so miserably in that dept.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Mildew is an atheist. Through and through. She just likes accuracy. 🙂

      November 27, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
  4. God Where Art Thou.

    So the pediphile priest says, "It ain't nice to sin." Then he viewed his followers with untrustful grin.

    Mafia boss in the pews says with a smirk to the jerk next to him, "I came here to confess and to walk out guilt free after robbing all the princes and the Pope in Beverly, Beverly Hills that is."

    November 27, 2011 at 11:48 am |
  5. David

    Each person has the right to believe, or not to believe. They each have a choice of Church in which to believe. People should speak of their own beliefs if they choose to discuss religion. Those who choose to speak negatively of the faith of others are bigots, as simple as that.

    In other words, tout your own faith or shut your pie hole.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:35 am |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      And who exactly decided that you get to make the rules ?

      November 27, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      You would be right, if the subject would be business. An owner of a company should never criticize a competi-tor, but advertise his own products.

      However, belief and business are two different fields and have their specific laws.

      It belongs to the core tasks of the true Church to condemn the heretics. It is just love for the victims of the heretics. I cannot tolerate or accept that heretics seduce naive souls and lead them to eternal fire. People must be warned of seducers, who tell them false doctrines of belief.

      The truth: Jesus, the incarnated Son of God, has once borne our sins on the cross (only once). Jesus has died for us. We get saved by faith in Christ and sacramental baptism. We shall believe that Christ died for us and by Holy Baptism we are connected with the releasing power of Christ's sacrifice. Baptism bridges all barriers of time and space. By faith in Christ we get forgiveness and deliverance at the same time.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • happypoet

      Thank you. We do need more respect for all the people who peacefully follow their own paths to better their souls without harming others. The moderates in all belief systems are the backbone of civilization, & do great good. I include moderate atheists among them, their belief is just as valid to them as mine is to me.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • Willl

      What? The Catholic Church degrades and pillars gays and lesbians at every turn. The church is filled with rituals that have nothing to do with its mission as set down by Peter, it attempts to brainwash children, it destroys families, it has a system in which you pay money to pretend you were never married, it demotes women to a second class standing and you think saying these makes me a bigot? Seriously?

      November 27, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • Edwin

      I agree with Mildred. There are no rules about respecting other people's religious views. Intolerance may seem undesirable to you, but it is an important part of many religions. Thus, if you want to respect other people's religions, you MUST respect their right to be intolerant.

      It goes further. Christians, and I think muslims, are SUPPOSED to evangelize - get the word out. Their belief systems insist they tell non-believers about the glory of their religions AND explain how the non-believers are wrong. The goal is to convert those who do not believe. If you wish to let christians practice their religion, then you must let them bash others.

      In short, you cannot tell others to go forth and practice only the parts of their religion that you personally admire.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • happypoet

      @Rainer, So, which splinter of a splinter of a splinter of Catholicism do you belong to?( SIGH ) Can't we discuss something pertaining to the Belief blog story instead? The new words for the Gloria are going to make it difficult to sing it I feel. Has anyone attempted to sing them, or heard the new words sung successfully?

      November 27, 2011 at 7:52 pm |
  6. Sarah

    I don't know where the heck any of you grew up going to Church, but I was taught Jesus is a father-figure, there to give us advice, not dictate our lives. He is not the center-our actions and ideas are. He is there to try and make sure our actions and ideas don't get out of hand, but its not like he can literally affect what we choose to do. Mass shouldn't have to be made "more entertaining" for anyone of any religion or spiritual philosophy. Now, I don't know what changes have taken place, but I hope they represent a softer yet still powerful message.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • catholicmom

      The only changes are to make the translation more closely reflect was what was written in Latin and pre-Vatican II councel

      November 27, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • happypoet

      When they translated it to the vernacular the first time, they simplified some of the phrases. This is to clarify it back to the original Latin meaning. It makes some interesting reading, I can't wait to hear the kids trying to say "consubstantial with the Father" in the Nicene Creed. That one drove my spell checker crazy!

      November 27, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
  7. Hypatia

    How interesting that all the venom here is being spewed by fundies. Who would have thought it? (All sarcasm is absolutely intended.)

    November 27, 2011 at 11:29 am |
  8. GrowUp

    @Jon King: Well put!

    November 27, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  9. John Smith

    Religious nuts' pointless life will undergo a small change. Big news.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • Sarah

      No offense, but a lot of the religious people I've met are more emotionally sound than those who are not. Radicals (religious nuts) excluded. Radicals do not make up the majority of any organization. If they began to, I'm pretty sure its labeled as "occult", or a cult, or something like that.

      Most spiritual reflection is based on the same moral system, put in place to assure we try to benefit from each other as much as possible. Literal interpretation of anything but philosophical inquiry I usually frown upon. I think if the Church began to take a looser stance on the specifics instead of the generalized moral messages that more people would be positively affected by Catholicism.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Edwin

      I think John considers all religious people to be crazy. He reads posts and sees political ads put forth by extremists - maybe he does not grasp the concept that not everyone is an extremist.

      Or maybe he simply believes that those who do not see the world the same way as he does MUST be crazy. It is an arrogant viewpoint, but it is hard to fault him for that - most posters are arrogant. After all, people who do not have an "axe to grind" rarely see a need to post.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  10. george of the jungle

    evangelicals translates to repo idiots. Nothing in this story to warrent some of the stupid comments made. This is still a free country and we all don't worship the same.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:18 am |
  11. J.R. Wirth

    A lot of sanctimonious evangelicals on line today, the more things change the more they stay the same don't they. Go watch your phony Donnie Swaggert sermons and leave us alone, and have a good time drinking your KoolAid at the Michelle Bachmann rally afterwards.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:09 am |
    • lewtwo

      amen ...

      November 27, 2011 at 11:19 am |
    • Judy

      A person doesn't nee to be a part of any religion to be a good person. I was raised a catholic but as soon as I was old enough, I quit going to church. I didn't need to go into a building and pray to be good.
      People need to understand that all religion/churches are a business. Plain and simple.
      My husband and I, and our core group of close friends are all good, moral people. Some of our church going aquaintances, not so much...

      November 27, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
  12. cmb

    @heard right–if you had any idea what the mass is about you would realize how stupid that statement is.

    November 27, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      Dr. Martin Luther once said that there is no greater abomination in God's eyes than the Catholic mass. Catholics belief that Christ is sacrificed again at every mass. That is outrageous and harbours a great danger. Catholics could assume that they could continue to sin again and again, because Christ is sacrificed for their sins again and again.

      The truth: Christ was sacrificed once and will never be sacrificed again. After we have recognized that Jesus died for us or has borne our sins on the cross, we should escape sin by any means.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:16 am |
    • Dorothy

      @Ranier – Catholics DON'T believe that Jesus is sacrificed again and again. He died once, that's it. It would be much better to think of the Mass as that we are being transported in time to the Last Supper and Crucifixion. And let's face it – everyone, Catholics or not, are going to sin again and again because we are human. We can always strive for less sin, but I don't think anyone can avoid it fully, and that's just a fact of life.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:50 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      Have a look at the following parapraphs of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which confirm that the RCC beliefs in the repeated sacrificing of Christ: 1068, 1069, 1367, 1371, 1545, 1566

      November 27, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Edwin

      Maybe a non-believer like me should avoid this thread, but I do have a question. Ranier claims Jesus was sacrificed only once. I find this as plausible as the notion that he sacrifices himself, metaphorically or literally, over and over.

      Why is it only once, Ranier? Because he only died on the cross once? I have no trouble with your belief system saying it was one sacrifice, not many. But I can see no fault in a system saying he continues to sacrifice himself, again and again. Not on a cross, of course, but that was just a means to the end, not the actual mechanism of sacrifice.

      I guess I don't see how the continual sacrifice model is any less believable than the one-time model.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      When you read the Sermon on the Mount, which was preached by Jesus himself, it becomes clear that God wants our transformation (nobody is able to keep the prescriptions of the Sermon on the Mount by nature). The Sermon of the Mount is a divine interpretation of the Old Testament law by Jesus.

      The Sermon on the Mount and the Epistles of the apostles must fit together. Thus, when the apostles speak about salvation, they mean forgivness and deliverance (transformation), not solely forgiveness.

      Assumed, Christ would be sacrificed again and again, their would be no reason to escape sin and to adopt oneself to the demands of the Sermon of the Mount.

      Conclusion: God wants our transformation at any rate, thus it is is impossible that Christ is sacrificed again and again.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:53 pm |
    • happypoet

      @Rainer Braendlain. Jesus said" Do This In Memory of Me". So...I can choose whose path to follow ... Christ or Martin Luthor...I think I prefer listening to Jesus' words rather than a regurgitated version of that misogynistic apostle wannabe St Paul out of Martin's mouth. Paul & Luke were the only ones to write about Paul's being an Apostle. Luke did it only because he was traveling with Paul. Paul started calling HIMSELF an apostle. Luke reports that St Paul was not even permitted to meet with Jesus' mother. When Paul asked to see her through the apostles he was spurned. I tend to ignore the pompous windbag because Paul is really just a very mouthy saint who believed his own press & tooted his own horn loud enough to push himself forward... Paul was not with Jesus during his ministry, nor is Paul there at the cross, the Ascension, or Pentecost to receive the Holy Spirit.....Face it. .....Jesus never hung out with either Paul or Martin.
      According to his biography, Martin trained as (Surprise!) a lawyer before he made a promise to St Anne to become a monk when he had a near miss by lightning. He was not satisfied with normal monastic life however, so he changed to a monastery attached to a University. Never ordained. Earned a degree in theology. His religious theses were built upon the letters of St Paul (another Lawyer). He was excommunicated because he demanded the church leaders prove him wrong like an arrogant idiot & refused to recant his theses. He also was placed under an imperial ban by Emperor Charles V. He went back to the University & they gave him a job. He married & spread his theses.
      You do realize that Catholics do not care in the slightest what Martin Luthor's opinion of mass is. Why would Catholics care about the opinion of someone who got chucked out by following Paul?
      This blog article is about Catholic changes to the Catholic mass. I would much prefer talking about the impact the expansion of certain prayers will have on singing hymns, rather than pointless bigotry... So, Do you want to discuss the changes to the Gloria? Or are you just trolling?

      November 27, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
    • Dorothy


      1068 It is this mystery of Christ that the Church proclaims and celebrates in her liturgy so that the faithful may live from it and bear witness to it in the world:

      For it is in the liturgy, especially in the divine sacrifice of the Eucharist, that "the work of our redemption is accomplished," and it is through the liturgy especially that the faithful are enabled to express in their lives and manifest to others the mystery of Christ and the real nature of the true Church.4
      What does the word liturgy mean?

      1069 The word "liturgy" originally meant a "public work" or a "service in the name of/on behalf of the people." In Christian tradition it means the participation of the People of God in "the work of God."5 Through the liturgy Christ, our redeemer and high priest, continues the work of our redemption in, with, and through his Church.

      1367 The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner. . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."190

      1371 The Eucharistic sacrifice is also offered for the faithful departed who "have died in Christ but are not yet wholly purified,"193 so that they may be able to enter into the light and peace of Christ:

      Put this body anywhere! Don't trouble yourselves about it! I simply ask you to remember me at the Lord's altar wherever you are.194
      Then, we pray [in the anaphora] for the holy fathers and bishops who have fallen asleep, and in general for all who have fallen asleep before us, in the belief that it is a great benefit to the souls on whose behalf the supplication is offered, while the holy and tremendous Victim is present. . . . By offering to God our supplications for those who have fallen asleep, if they have sinned, we . . . offer Christ sacrificed for the sins of all, and so render favorable, for them and for us, the God who loves man.195

      1545 The redemptive sacrifice of Christ is unique, accomplished once for all; yet it is made present in the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Church. The same is true of the one priesthood of Christ; it is made present through the ministerial priesthood without diminishing the uniqueness of Christ's priesthood: "Only Christ is the true priest, the others being only his ministers."19

      1566 "It is in the Eucharistic cult or in the Eucharistic assembly of the faithful (synaxis) that they exercise in a supreme degree their sacred office; there, acting in the person of Christ and proclaiming his mystery, they unite the votive offerings of the faithful to the sacrifice of Christ their head, and in the sacrifice of the Mass they make present again and apply, until the coming of the Lord, the unique sacrifice of the New Testament, that namely of Christ offering himself once for all a spotless victim to the Father."49 From this unique sacrifice their whole priestly ministry draws its strength.50

      I think 1367 and 1566 kind of shoot your own argument (with your own passages) in the foot. The others don't necessarily do anything one way or the other.

      November 28, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
  13. cronewinter

    If people want to pray they should do it in their own words and with their own heats and souls. Having a preacher tell us what to say and how to pray and what to believe is pretty goofy. Believe what you will or believe nothing at all, but believe it because you have thought it through, not because some one in a role of authority tell you how and what to believe and what to say .

    November 27, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • Raul

      Some people just speak out of pure ignorance, resentment, or emptiness. Sad, very sad.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      Christians believe, what the incarnated God told them. He proved his divine sonship by the miracles, which he worked.

      Of course, no true Christian believes the chatter of the pope.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:01 am |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      If you knew any history, you would know there were many itinerant preachers running around the Galilee,and Judea at that time, doing "magic". Your guy was so totally non-unique.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • Raul

      "your guy" is the savor and he is also your savor, doesn't matter if you accept him or not, he still is and always be, the true God, the true Son of God.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:16 am |
    • Sarah

      No matter how pointless you think gathering as a loving community is, mass gives people a chance to come together, one day a week, in order to reflect and be reminded that they are not alone.

      People are allowed to pray for whatever they want, the parables are there simply for metaphor. When people forget this, THAT is when problems arise.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:23 am |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      That might be believable, but he never claimed to be either god, or his son.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Mildred the Mouth

      If the people of Palestine had been used to see great miracles by itinerant preachers, they had not been impressed by the miracles of Jesus. The itinerant preaches just worked very little miracles, caused by lousy demons.

      Why were the people impressed by the miracles of Jesus?

      Jesus worked miracles, which nobody had ever seen before.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:28 am |
    • hmmm...

      We are all simply passages given to us by those who preceded us or taught us or shared a moment of life with. Some wish to improve upon the essentially passive process of learning. Seeking out purposeful growth, especially spiritual growth, may require the help of others. I would agree, those uttering sounds heard without purposeful thought is something many of us do thinking we will improve ourselves. Some will utter those sounds with thoughtful purpose and move closer to their higher goal of consciousness and spiritual growth. I do not blame the priest or monk, teacher or parent who leads us with words or recitations in helping us reach those goals but I do wonder why those who do not have such goals seek to belittle those who seek such self improvement that would benefit us all.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • Cheeseskreist

      "...believe it because you have thought it through, not because some one in a role of authority tell you how and what to believe and what to say."

      Yes! Now if only PARENTS would wait till their children are old enough to think for themselves before foisting their religious propaganda onto them.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • Edwin

      Few christians go to church because they are incapable of religious thought themselves. They go for community, and for comfort. And they also go for the same reason students go to classrooms - the pastor is generally more of an expert in the field of religion than they are, so (like a teacher), is able to offer useful insights the congregation might have overlooked.

      Some few come to be brainwashed. But most come to enjoy company of others who share their belief system, and perhaps learn something they had not considered before - much like physics students who rapturously attend a lecture by Steven Hawkins.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Prove it.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Of course they say they are impressed by his miracles. They are his followers. What did you think they were going to say ? How about some objective reports ? Have you ever read the reports of the followers of the other miracle workers at the time ?...... I thought not.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
  14. Mike


    November 27, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • Raul

      Ignorance is sad, I feel really sorry for you. You will be in my prayers.

      November 27, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • bill

      and a holy FU to you too

      November 27, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • Ted

      Banned like in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia? I'm not a fan of religon but this is a free country.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:37 am |
    • hmmm...

      I too become angry at the 'ghost' of religion when I am being irresponsible- and I am. But when I am honest wth myself and think of the truly religious people I have met and what this world has gained, I feel fortunate to have witnessed such grace. That is not to say than men and women have not done horrible things in the name of religion- it is to say we must be strong enought to be able to separate out the brutality of man/woman who do not seek grace and that which truly wishes to help us reach grace. We can be horrible messengers and muddy up wonderful messages. You either focus on the messenger or the message. Your anger may not allow this but I wish you peace.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Belarus Marek

      Little over the top, aren't you? I've often wondered why atheist, such as you, are so venomous in your view on religion. You know, of corse, that atheists preach their bile even more than fundie Christians. Who is the more evil?

      November 27, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
    • Edwin

      Belarus: not all atheists are like Mike. Most are quiet, decent, and even tolerant people. But, like christians, the ones that post are the angry ones, the ones who feel the need to complain. Do not judge the tolerant many by the intolerant few.

      Actually, I understand where Mike is coming from. We are bombarded by angry religious zealots who either try to kill us or twist our political systems to their own agendas. Even more prevalent are the posts - or rather, the rants. Extremists dominate the airwaves, and Mike has had his fill.

      Like you, he is having a hard time recognizing that the anger he reads about is not caused by a belief system, nor by most of its followers. It is caused by a very few who are extreme in their viewpoints.

      He sees wars and suffering caused by religion, and because the conversation has gotten so volatile, he discounts the joy and wonder it also brings, the comfort in can offer some, even the deep learning and science that have sprung from religious sources.

      My advice to everyone is to actively look for the best aspect of your opponent. Stop looking for their weaknesses and inconsistencies. Instead, spend time seeing what is best and most beautiful about them. Take time to compliment them on it, to encourage THEIR goodness to grow.

      November 27, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
  15. Rainer Braendlein

    According to the New Testament, there is no papacy, but democracy. St. Peter was never ordained head of the Christian Church. One of the first Christian councils took place in Jerusalem (see Acts, Chapter 15). It was about the question, whether converted pagans had to be circu-mcised. The decision of this council was not predetermined by St. Peter, but it was a free discussion of the leader of the Church of Jerusalem (Jacob, the brother of Jesus), the elders of Jerusalem, St. Peter, St. Paul and the other apostles. Finally Jacob began to speak and pronounced the decision of the council.

    November 27, 2011 at 10:43 am |
    • bill

      we may to have to reconvene that council to see what to to about the pagan, romney, running for president – who would be head of all US christains – if he wins.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • Raul

      It's so sad to read the "expert words of wisdom" of so many self proclaimed experts that express their resentment and hateful feelings against the holy church. They truly do not have the most minimum grasp of understanding and comprehension of what the holy church is and does.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:07 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      It was held by JAMES, not "Jacob". And if they didn't all just agree, what does THAT tell you about what they were "taught" ?

      November 27, 2011 at 11:12 am |
    • Hypatia

      And after all this pontificating, you still croak off and become worm food. Next....

      November 27, 2011 at 11:27 am |
    • B33TLE

      Not "Jacob". Jesus' brother JAMES was at the first Jerusalem Council.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:55 am |
  16. Heard Right

    "The mass is the center of our lives". That's catholics for you. Jesus is supposed to be the center of your lives.

    November 27, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • sam

      The Catholic Churc since Vatican 2 has been a total mess and continues to be. I wouldn't step inside a Catholic Church today for anything. It is a royal circus!

      November 27, 2011 at 10:42 am |
    • Chris R

      The triune god is supposed to be the center of your life. Not just Jesus. If you really are a trinitarian you'd know that they aren't the same thing.

      November 27, 2011 at 10:51 am |
    • Raul

      The mas is the center of our lives. Jesus is the center of the mass. Then, Jesus is the center of our lives. Simple logic. Simple deduction.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:11 am |
    • happypoet

      The mass is full of praise to God, The Holy Spirit, & Jesus as part of the holy trinity. Read the prayers if you require proof. Every mass also includes a reenactment of Jesus' last supper. Now, read that portion of the mass...What do you think the phrase" Do This In Memory Of Me" means & think about who created that portion of the ceremony? Jesus is integral to the mass.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Did you go to the vowel store for a trade-in ? 🙂

      November 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
  17. James

    Hmm. I thought I was going to be able to read about the new changes, instead I got to read about the changes of 1965....

    November 27, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • happypoet

      They hand out copies of the changes at mass . Look for them in the pews. Your local church can give you a copy. If you want a theological discussion on the changes, your diocese probably has a website for that. Some of the changes are minor, some will require changing other things. For instance; These changes will make the Gloria different enough that new musical arrangements will be needed.
      I have a copy that was given to my kids at Catholic school.
      This is the retranslated Gloria:
      Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to people of good will.
      We praise you,we bless you,
      we adore you, we glorify you
      we give thanks for your great glory,
      Lord God, heavenly King,
      O God, almighty Father.
      Lord Jesus Christ, Only Begotten Son,
      Lord God, Lamb of God,
      Son of the Father,
      you take away the sins of the world,
      have mercy on us;
      you take away the sins of the world,
      receive our prayer;
      you are seated at the right hand of the Father,
      have mercy on us.
      For you alone are the Holy One,
      you alone are the Lord,
      you alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ,
      with the Holy Spirit,
      in the glory of God the Father. Amen

      November 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
  18. Aaron

    There's nothing like a good ol' article on religion to bring out the venom and vitriol from people who ought to have no interest in the subject. As a gay centrist democrat I respectfully defy the labels imposed by the extremes at both ends of the spectrum, and welcome the changes coming to the Catholic Church. Any differences between my personal, political and social beliefs, and the Church are between myself and God. Now please excuse me while I prepare for 11:00 mass.

    November 27, 2011 at 10:31 am |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      There are no changes coming to the Catholic Church. These "alterations" were imposed from above. Same book, different chapter.

      November 27, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • Lee

      Thank you for proving there are still some decent people left in the world! I'll be heading to mass here shortly as well. God Bless

      November 27, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Yes, and you both obviously feel just SO SUPERIOR about that, don't you.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:30 am |
  19. joey

    does mass sound like an alter boy on deliverance ?

    November 27, 2011 at 10:19 am |
  20. Carol

    Each of us has different ways of honoring our family, our loved ones; so too, each of us has different ways of trying to honor our Creator. The basic tenet of religeon has always been to better the person and return us to the Creator. Being accepting of our differences and allowing each to worship peacefully should be our goal.

    For those people who believe that we are simply a biological creature with no life beyond the mortal flesh, that is their way and should be allowed to believe as they wish.

    To force a belief, or to be hostile or abusive to anyone because of a belief is not what we should want for ourselves or others.

    The only exception is any practice that would harm another person. Any culture that would advocate the harming of another person does not promote the harmony that the world needs to flourish. But meeting force and hate with more force and hate is not the way to change.

    Likewise, I am against any sentence of death. A person who is dead, cannot eventually regret...

    November 27, 2011 at 10:16 am |
    • Jon KIng

      And many of us simply ignore all the nonsense about creators and enjoy our lives.

      November 27, 2011 at 10:48 am |
    • Pointless1

      A person who has to kill another for any other reason than self defense will never have regret... they were incapable of it to begin with... good grief charlie brown.. there are some really bad people in this world.. you should get out some more... 😉

      November 27, 2011 at 11:24 am |
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