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On Sunday, Catholic Mass won't sound the same
Rev. Benny George is a associate pastor at St. Francis Xavier Parish in Burbank, California.
November 26th, 2011
01:40 PM ET

On Sunday, Catholic Mass won't sound the same

By Jim Roope, CNN Radio National Correspondent

(CNN)–If you’re Catholic, mass this Sunday will sound different for  the first time in nearly half a century.

You’ll hear it in the prayers of both the people and the priests.

“We have come back to a more accurate translation of the Latin from the Roman Missal,” said Fr. Rick Hilgartner, executive director of the Divine Office of Worship for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. “The language of prayer should be evocative, speaking in terms of imagery and metaphor.”

The changes are enormous, said Fr. Richard Albarano, of St. Francis Xavier Church in Burbank, California, and should help the 280 million English-speaking Catholics grow in their  love for the mass. “The mass is the center of our lives,” said Albarano.

Not since the Second Vatican Council in 1965 have such sweeping changes been made.

The Vatican II changes were radical – the priest spoke in English instead of Latin and he faced the people instead of having his back to them. An Old Testament reading was also added to the mass, a surprise to many who thought of the Catholic Church as a New Testament only church.

Other changes, large and small, were designed by Pope John XXIII to get the people (and not just the priest) involved in the mass. But the changes were not communicated in advance. People showed up one Sunday morning, and it was all changed.

“They wondered if they were even in a Catholic church,” said Albarano.

This time, the Catholic Church has been talking about the changes, and communicating them to parishes, since 2000. For the past three months, many parishes have been working to ready their followers for the changes in the wording of the prayers.

That doesn’t mean some won’t be caught by surprise. “It’s going to be like Vatican II all over again,” Albarano said. “I haven’t heard much about catechizing across the Los Angeles Archdiocese at all. We said we were going to do it. I hope we did.”

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- CNN

Filed under: Catholic Church • Mass

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  1. Ghera

    It is very clear that hate speech is condoned, sanctioned and allowed as long as it is directed toward the right target. If this type of vitriolic nonsense was directed toward (insert ethnic, gender etc minority here) this would be shut down.

    News media are all over the latest bullying/suicide story, Lady Gaga makes a tearful tribute and on it goes. BUT, this type of hatemongering by idiots is just fine.

    HYPOCRITS HYPOCRITS HYPOCRITS!

    November 27, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • dallasite

      You spelled hypocrite incorrectly. Three times.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
    • Ghera

      Yes, you are correct dallasite. I realized it after I posted.

      BTW- My spelling error does nothing to discredit the content of the post. It stands.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It isn't credible, Ghera, even if you had spelled every word correctly.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:39 pm |
    • Ghera

      Really? Let's see, this forum has permitted a deluge of hate filled comments directed toward a single religion. The same type of comments directed toward any other group, religion, ethnic/culture would be condemned as bullying/hate speech. You may not think it is credible, Tom, but you know for a fact that it is 100% accurate.

      November 27, 2011 at 5:15 pm |
    • SE

      I think you should look up the definition of hate speech...I mean the legal definition. And then look up the 1st Amendment. And then explain how and why American citizens should be denied the right to express an opinion about religion. I think if you examine these things honestly, you'll find all kinds of problems with your righteous indignation about people disagreeing with religious dogma in the United States.

      November 27, 2011 at 6:30 pm |
    • Ghera

      An individual may disagree with a political or religious affiliation and engage in a civil debate regarding the tenets or foundations. Many of the comments here are filled with hate and bigotry. I still maintain that if these comments involved (insert minority here), there would be pressure to close this down. Would it fall under the legal definition, no, but there are still ethical guidelines that one would think should be applied. I still maintain that it all depends upon whose ox is getting gored.

      November 27, 2011 at 8:25 pm |
    • Ghera

      BTW- while I am looking up the legal definition of hate speech and the First Amendment, I suggest you look up how the Nazis described the Jews. It likely did not fall under the present day legal definition either, but it certainly served its' purpose, didn't it?

      November 27, 2011 at 8:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nonsense, Ghera. This is an anonymous forum. If you're new here, you should take a good look at ALL the threads and blogs CNN hosts. The same sort of invective is directed at Jews, agnostics, pagans, wiccans, and evangelicals of all stripes. Get over your martyr complex. It's equal opportunity bashing, and if it bothers you, you should look for another hobby.

      November 27, 2011 at 8:43 pm |
    • Ghera

      So, Tom, you are saying that these discussions equally bash and elicit hate filled speech directed toward all minorities. Indeed a sorry commentary on the state of society.

      November 27, 2011 at 9:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Duh. Finally, the light dawns in Ghera's brain....

      November 28, 2011 at 8:46 am |
  2. chip

    Just another prophecy that has become true. Many of you will argue I'm speaking gibberish and whatnot, but if you read the Bible AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND, you'll realize that the Antichrist is actually the Papacy (and you don't necessarily have to read it bc of your faith—after all, it's a book with a bunch of stories that anyone may find interesting regardless of whether you believe in its contents or not). We don't know which Pope is the Antichrist but the bible offers a lot of clues proving that the Pope will be the one to end the world: http://www.666prophecy.com/fulfilledprophecy.asp

    November 27, 2011 at 3:59 pm |
    • WDinDallas

      That garbage was started during the reformation to get people to leave the Church for the Protestant movement.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • plato101

      That's quite an interpretation of Revelation you have there, though I think you must have a lot of anti-Catholic bigotry to make it work for you. It must irk you to no end to realize it was the Catholic Church that determined which scriptures would be included in the Bible that you cherish so. At least in this respect you follow Catholic doctrine.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Nocky

      Read what Revelation says "to the church in Rome". Go ahead little believer! It won't bite! heh

      November 27, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • Bucky Ball

      "By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out. " –Richard Dawkins
      "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." –Albert Einstein 😈

      November 27, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
  3. Mike

    What M0R0NS even go to church anymore??? Anyone who believes in this mythical GAWD are M0R0NS!!!

    November 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Mei

      The changes only reflect a BETTER translation from the Latin Mass. My family and I attended and it was a lot to take in. I was only really familiar with the Vatican II Mass since I came into the Church when I was about 16 years old. The Church was founded by Jesus and as He said.. hell shall not prevail...

      November 27, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • plato101

      @Mike. You are very correct Mike, almost no morons go to church any more.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:33 pm |
  4. john

    ohhhh....gee whiz I hope we get it right or God may get very angry!!!!

    November 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
  5. veda

    This article was meant to make jokes about and insult the Catholic religion!! Such a setup!!! Atheists!! wait until they croak. Should be fun!! Most of them scream God Help Me, On their deathbed!! haha!!

    November 27, 2011 at 3:52 pm |
    • Bob

      It's obvious from your comments that you don't understand atheism of Catholicism. Neither champion vindictiveness or wish ill on others. You appear to be mean, spiteful and petty. Christ taught us that people like you deserve our pity. The common sense of atheism teaches us the same. We will all pray for you.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:08 pm |
  6. Luanne

    Thank you Lord for the Catholic Church, the Church founded by Jesus Christ! May open-minded people come to know your Church not through the media but through their own investigation. It donates more time and money to fight poverty worldwide than any other organization. I pray that more people will join His Church and partake in His body as He commanded us to!

    November 27, 2011 at 3:48 pm |
    • Mark

      Thank you Luanne for that honest and truthful post. Those types of posts seem to be lacking here.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
    • RusTnuts

      Won't sound the same because there won't be any little boys screaming in pain from ruptured bowels after meeting with the fadda.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Ghera

      Reading these posts by these hatefilled, bitter and hypocritical low life have simpy solidified and validated my religion and faith in the Church.

      CATHOLIC AND PROUD!

      November 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • Nocky

      "honest and truthful" LOL

      November 27, 2011 at 10:49 pm |
    • Credenza

      Luanne, your post is a breath of spring. It is full of the essence of the Holy Spirit. I like you love and value my belief in the Divine Mercy above all else.

      "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not believe, no explanation is possible." But I pray that all people will be open to the knowledge of God and find peace.

      November 28, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
  7. FU

    I was hoping they meant the little altar boys would be locked away this year so you won't hear them sobbing in the background...

    November 27, 2011 at 3:43 pm |
  8. Carrie

    So the Catholic Church is becoming more conservative? Good thing they don't have the power to burn physicists and other scientists at the stake anymore.

    November 27, 2011 at 3:39 pm |
    • plato101

      Too bad you are so poorly versed in history. If you were more enlightened you would realize that the Catholic Church brought about the sciences. Many of the greatest scientific minds were Catholics; Gregor Mendel, Albertus Magnus, Roger Bacon, Rene Descartes, Louis Pasteur, Blaise Pascal, André-Marie Ampère, Charles-Augustin de Coulomb, Alessandro Volta and Enrico Fermi, to name just a few.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:51 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Let's not forget Giordano Bruno! Well, maybe the church wants us to forget about him, since they burned him alive for refusing to recant his heretical theory that the sun was a star and all the stars were suns.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:55 pm |
    • plato101

      Giordano Bruno was not condemned for his theories concerning the sun. His downfall was his interest in the occult, including some of his occult writings such as Cantus Circaeus ("Incantations of Circe")

      November 27, 2011 at 4:07 pm |
    • Chris R

      The problem wasn't that Bruno posited that the earth revolved the sun. While seen as a radical position it wasn't the first time it was floated. It even had it's supporters in the Church. The problem is the Bruno said there was life on other planets and each planet had it's own Savior and such not. This created a position which was heretical because it a) multiplied the trinity to the point of polytheism b) echoed parts of the whole Arianist heresy that gave the opening needed for Islam to take root (Islam is, in some ways, a recapitulation of Arianist beliefs), and c) he was making claims about the role of the Church in salvation. In other words, Bruno wasn't putting forward some obscure theory but was attacking the very basis of the Catholic Church. That's why Bruno had to suffer the Auto De Fey. Same thing happened with Galileo. His theories weren't that outrageous – it was that he was dabbling in politics and, in print, called the Pope an idiot (by placing the Aristotelian arguments in the mouth of Simplicio). As long as Galileo was discussing theory and science he was fine. When he started dabbling in politics he was screwed. I'm not an apologist but knowing the details matters.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Well gosh, plato, I guess then it's okay that they burned him alive. Murder is best when excommunication isn't enough!

      The fact remains that Bruno was a man of science. The fact remains that he was murdered because his theories didn't mesh with the religion. The fact remains that the murderer was the catholic church.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:36 pm |
  9. Non believer

    In any words, fairy tales are fairy tales. Grow up and grow a set people

    November 27, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • Paul

      "Grow a set" says the angry internet commentator.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:44 pm |
  10. smum

    More of the same nonsense and irrelevancy that we are used to from the Catholic church...and from every other religion. Man-made sound bites attributed to God. Change the words to "focus group-tested" messages and the frock will follow. No resemblance to WJWD whatsoever. It is so, so sad!!!

    November 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • Clark

      Did you read the article??

      November 27, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  11. kayaker247

    maybe this will help with all the _raping.

    November 27, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
  12. Still practicing 'till I get it right.

    I read (what is at this time) the first page of comments, what started out as comments about a few (yes a few) words changed in the Catholic Mass turned into a rant by many commentators about how as kids they had a bad childhood and happened to attend a Catholic school? My guess is they would have had a bad childhood regardless of where they attended school?
    Back to the word change,
    from, "and also with you" becomes "and with your spirit"
    During the Profession of Faith from, "We" becomes "I"
    From "seen and unseen" becomes, " visible and invisible"
    from " eternally begotten of the Father " becomes "born of the Father before all ages"
    from,"one being" becomes "consubstantial"
    from "born" becomes incarnate"
    from "died" becomes "death"
    from "according to" becomes "in accordance with"
    from "worshiped" becomes "adored"
    from Church" becomes holy Church"
    During communion rite,
    from "come" becomes "enter"
    from " I" becomes "my soul"
    I may have missed a change but that is it for the most part, not so earth shaking as headlines lead one to believe? I will admit to looking up the word "consubstantial" and spell check wanted to change it.

    November 27, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      How exactly can it be "eternal", AND be born ? Those two intellectual concepts are self exclusionary. It's linguistic nonsense, signifying nothing.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Michael

      I attended Mass this morning. The above summary is right on target. Not so many changes, but each is simply a more accurate translation from the Latin. This is the results of a careful review of the translations of the Latin Mass to local languages which took place around forty years ago. It makes Mass even more meaningful for me. Thank you.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:45 pm |
    • Chris R

      Mildred – I'm not sure what you are trying to get at. "Eternally begotten of the father" and "born of the Father before all ages" are semantically similar enough. What you may be failing to understand is that the phrase is itself a subtle restatement of the trinitarian concept. Jesus is seen as consubstantial with God – as in they had both eternally existed. However, Jesus has the divine substance as received from God as opposed to having the divine substance inherent in Itself. As such, the Son is begotten of the Father but both existing eternally. And before you get into details of the logic please remember that transcendental concepts are outside of bounds of logic as understood by non-transcendent being such as ourselves. Yes, that is a cop-out in someways but being that God is defined as transcendent it's hard to (logically) limit It to our own rules of logic.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:25 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Chris,
      If Jesus EVER "received" something, then he didn't always HAVE it. It is linguistic nonsense. It is meaningless.

      November 27, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      If it exists outside our rules and capabilities of logic, then why talk about it at all ? You make assertions which are blatant logical fallacies, then say, "oh we don't understand". If we can't understand, then why talk about it at all ? And BTW, your explanation is heresy. If "Jesus has the divine substance as "received from God", (itself?) as opposed to having the divine substance inherent in Itself", then they are NOT co-equal, and co-eternal. That is not the doctrine of the Trinity. Also, as another person on this board has been saying for some time now, "eternal" presupposes that the dimension of time already exists. There is no "knowing", "loving", "thinking"or "creating", (ALL PROCESSES), which take TIME to happen in, and presume that the dimension of time exists, otherwise those terms have no meaning. Did it somehow "create" the time dimension "before" it created it ? It's linguistic nonsense.

      November 27, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • Credenza

      Stop practicing – you've got it! Well done, I love the way you listed it – that will help a lot of people. Thank you.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
  13. Julie

    Mass today was lovely in every way. What a perfect start to the Church year on the 1st Sunday of Advent.

    November 27, 2011 at 3:10 pm |
    • gerald

      Amen.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:17 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      Our Chorale practice was lovely in every way, as was breakfast with all my friends. To each their own.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:27 pm |
    • Ghera

      Agreed. Mass is, and always has been, lovely.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
  14. Paperwork

    it'll be back to 100% Latin within my lifetime; I mean, is this the biggest problem the church has to work on?

    November 27, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
  15. HRPufnstuf

    Ho hum.

    November 27, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
  16. Predictable Reaction

    Every major organized religion has been consistently losing servants (As % of Life GDP) year after year for about 50 years now. Predictably, the first step taken is to roll back the clock on their methods to a time when they were more convoluted, ambiguous, and confusing. After all, they know it works – Those who were indoctrinated in the 1950s and 60s are still some of the most deluded and easiest to control individuals, even to this day.

    Remember, there are entire industry-sized establishments that depend heavily upon your (and others') ignorance, and thus, loyalty, and it's there sole intention to keep the clockwork ticking.

    November 27, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • Predictable Reaction

      *their :\

      November 27, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • j

      smile...life's too short for you to be so cynical and ignorant

      November 27, 2011 at 2:45 pm |
    • Predictable Reaction

      @J Cynicism can be a healthy thing. Ignorance, however, is not – and that's the exact purpose I raise such a point.

      November 27, 2011 at 2:47 pm |
    • plato101

      I believe your observation is more aptly applied to the public education system, to which you appear to be an ardent disciple.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:09 pm |
    • Predictable Reaction

      @plato101 The Public Education System is progressive, and wouldn't roll back their teaching methods 50 years on a whim.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:56 pm |
  17. john smith

    I am baffled still by all the anti Catholic sentiments and continued comments that statistically roman catholic priests are "most likely" to attack children. Statistically, teachers, therapists, physicians, social workers are more likely to abuse a child. And each of the parent organizations of these groups will also attempt to keep this behavior silent from the media as well. So if the narrow minded would stop focusing on the catholic church, an organization that worldwide does more than any charitable organization to combat poverty then perhaps they can focus their attentions on groups that don't do such good. You can have your opinions of religion but your hatred of a church just shows that you are the people with the underlying pathology.

    November 27, 2011 at 2:41 pm |
    • Ghera

      Well said, John.

      Recognizing the fact that the Church has always been an instrumental force of charity and kindness would cause these bigots to have to actually have two brain cells that fire simultaneoulsy. Now that would be a miracle.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:16 pm |
    • dallasite

      I didn't think of the Catholic Church when the Penn State story broke about Sandusky. As the week went on, and the stomach-turning cover-up and lack of moral action unfolded, it's all I could think of.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't hate the church or religion. But I do wonder how your view of the Catholic Church as having always been a force for good jibes with its actions during, say, the Inquisition.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:31 pm |
    • Ghera

      Ummm, and just how does your negative reference to the Inquisition "jibe" with Mother Theresa and her incredible works for the poor? Maybe because it is actually possible to not see things in all or none/black or white categories. That is, of course, unless you only want to acknowledge one side.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • Ghera

      @dallasite- well, I certainly hope that now, whenever there is a story about a university (doesn't matter what it is about), there will be an onslaught of comments referencing back to Penn. For example:

      Newstory "Higher Education encourages grade inflation"

      Comment: "It must be because of all of the pedophile coaches!!!"

      Newstory: "UT wins over OSU"

      Comment: " Don't forget the pedophile coaches!!!"

      Newstory: "Faculty support unionizing"

      Comment: "It's so the pedophile coaches can be retained!"

      November 27, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Pot, meet kettle, Ghera.

      November 27, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ghera, you're the one who used "always" in your description of the church and its good works. I'd say you're the one who sees things in black and white and only wants to view one side.

      November 27, 2011 at 8:50 pm |
    • Ghera

      I stand by what I said. The Church has always been instrumental in kindness and charity.

      November 27, 2011 at 9:24 pm |
    • Credenza

      @Tom Tom – Since the Inquisition was confined to Spain – you can't say the WHOLE Catholic Church was involved, now can you???????
      The Catholic Church HAS always been a force for goodness and charity. HOWEVER, before you start slobbering into your cocoa – the fact is, that the church is made up of individuals and some disgrace it by their actions. The people in the Catholic Church are variable – but the fundamental Christian FAITH which started with Jesus 2000 years ago doesn't change.

      November 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Did I say the entire Catholic Church was involved? You dopes are really great at cherry-picking.

      Jesus, would you learn to read and comprehend?

      November 28, 2011 at 8:48 am |
  18. Dustin

    A lot of real bad singing if you ask me! No one will no what to say for weeks?? Good timing that its Advent guys??

    November 27, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
  19. babaelf

    Meher Baba continues: Jeus proclaimed: “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” (Mark 2:27). But by proclaiming this, what good did it do Him? From a purely human perspective, the crucifixion was a disaster; but spiritually and for the creation, His Glory. Jesus is not remembered today as a healer who performed miracles, but because, despite being the Avatar, the Christ, He lowered himself in the eyes of men . . . allowing Him to be spat upon, crowned with thorns, stoned and crucified. That was His real greatness and why He is associated with the emblem of the cross. Jesus was never serious about anything but God, whose incarnation He was – serious about Himself and God with whom He was one. Otherwise, in His divine sense of humor He was so lighthearted that He got Himself crucified for others with the same lightness of heart. Why? He had no wants at all. He didn’t want – He gave. So the only thing that God wants is not liturgical ceremonies or yogas. He wants love – that love which makes you totally forget yourself in Him." http://www.lordmeher.org p. 3822

    November 27, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
  20. Tom

    5,000 catholic priests are s3xual predators with charges brought against them. Only 150 have been successfully prosecuted in the US. Keep your children safe! The catholic church has chosen to be uncooperative with the investigative authorities. This puts children in danger of further r@pe by catholic priests.

    November 27, 2011 at 2:29 pm |
    • plato101

      Only 150 convictions out of 5,000? Don't you think this speaks more to the quality of the accusations? Of course, why would anyone make a false accusation against the church. What could their motivation be? Hmmm, $$$$$.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:13 pm |
    • gerald

      To be fair many were not charged because of statute of limitation laws. That being said there are a significant number of false accusations as well. Cardinal Bernadine and Dulles were both charged. Both later were cleared as the accusers recanted.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • Mildred the Mouth

      gerald,
      From the earliest age, I "walked the corridors of power" of your church as my uncle was a (gay) archbishop,(he had MANY boyfriends, and EVERYONE knew it), and my aunt a nationally famous nun/educator/college founder. I learned the high-and-mighty were mostly hypocrites, and had skeletons in their closets. The church was full of creeps, and there is no reason to believe otherwise today. The loyal, good people in the pews would not believe it if they knew the truth.

      November 27, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
    • gerald

      So you knew A GAY BISHOP with boyfriends. Scandalous most certainly. There are sinners in the Catholic Church. That is supposed to be some revelation to me? I'm a sinner. Children were molested by SOME priests and SOME bishops may have covered it up. If someone is surprized by this they don't understand the Church. 11 out of 12 apostles left Jesus at the cross. Peter denied him three times and Judas of course betrayed him. David had a friend killed for his wife. The Church is a hospital for sinners more than a hotel for saints. There are wolves among the sheep. Tell me something I don't know. Your conclusion that this proves something is misdrawn. Sorry.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:10 pm |
    • Ghera

      So, Mildred, I am certianly happy to know that you are without any sin as is any group with whom you have affiliated. Oh yes, I am so pleased that you are worthy to sit in judgement of everyone else.

      BTW- well said gerald.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Tom

      gerald is basically saying that it is normal for the ranks of priests to be filled with s3xual deviants? Yuck!

      November 27, 2011 at 4:43 pm |
    • Ghera

      Gerald is saying that the Church exists to "cure" sin and reconcile persons with God, NOT to promote sin. Can we say that every "physician" is good? No more than any real hospital can say that every real physician is skilled. Sometimes, bad physicians, bad teachers and bad coaches (to name a few) exist. What is absurd is to generalize to all Churches, hospitals, schools and universities (including Penn) and everything they stand for.

      November 27, 2011 at 4:59 pm |
    • john smith

      unfortunately, your numbers are grossly wrong. Please cite a credible source. Or perhaps I can guide you to the New York Times 2007 investigation that found worldwide the number to be under 400. When you write outlandish comments expect someone educated to actually call you out on it.

      November 27, 2011 at 5:36 pm |
    • Tom

      The Nature and Scope of the Problem of S3xual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States, commonly known as the John Jay Report, is a 2004 report by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, based on surveys completed by the Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States.

      November 27, 2011 at 7:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ghera, it is not "Penn". It's Penn State. "Penn" is the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League school in Philadelphia. It is not associated with Penn State in State College,PA.

      November 27, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
    • Ghera

      I do certainly appreciate your notation that I omitted the "State". Please be certain that you proof all of my posts.

      November 27, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're the one who likes to split hairs, ya boob. If you don't like being corrected and you can't take it when you are, then don't dish it out, you hypocrite.

      November 28, 2011 at 8:51 am |
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