Joel Osteen developing reality show with 'Survivor' producer
Joel Osteen is developing a reality show that will feature members of his Houston, Texas, megachurch.
November 30th, 2011
10:57 AM ET

Joel Osteen developing reality show with 'Survivor' producer

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Joel Osteen, who leads the largest church in the United States and reaches millions of Americans through his televised Sunday sermons, is developing a reality show with the producer of “Survivor,” the televangelist said Tuesday.

Osteen has signed a deal with famed reality TV producer Mark Burnett to develop the show, a spokeswoman for Joel Osteen Ministries said.

"Victoria (Osteen's wife) and I are looking forward to working with Mark Burnett on this project,” Osteen said in a statement Tuesday.

“We have great respect for Mark and we know that the finished product will not only entertain but will illustrate the generosity and selflessness that is a hallmark of the American people," he said.

Osteen said the yet-to-be-named series would not resemble a typical reality show.

“In my mind, when I think of ‘reality’ (show), I think of cameras following you doing nothing,” Osteen said, according to CNN Houston affiliate KHOU. “But this is more ‘Extreme (Makeover: Home Edition).’ We’re going with a purpose - with a mission.”

Osteen said the show would feature members of his Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas - the country’s largest congregation - helping others.

“We would take a group of 300-500 people from this auditorium, from our ministry and go somewhere in the world - probably in the U.S. to start - but just to help a place in need,” Osteen said, according to KHOU. “A place hit by a tornado. Maybe a run-down neighborhood.”

The show is in early stages of development and hasn’t yet been picked up by a network, said Andrea Davis, a spokeswoman for Joel Osteen Ministries.

“(Osteen) had been approached for a number of years by different networks with ideas along the same kind of lines but it just didn’t come together,” she said.

Joel and Victoria Osteen befriended Burnett and his wife, Roma Downey, about a year ago, Davis said. The Burnetts have visited Lakewood to worship and the Osteens have visited Burnett and Downey in Los Angeles.

“But their friendship developed and it seemed to really gel - the idea that Mark had and what was on Joel’s heart,” Davis said. “(Osteen) had a desire to do something like this ... that’s reflective of Joel’s core message of hope and inspiration.”

Osteen’s 16,000-seat church is located in the former Compaq Center in Houston.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity • Leaders • TV

soundoff (818 Responses)
  1. WD

    I've always been leery of people who use mass media in their ministries. Especially when they say "Send us money and sow a blessing with God". Joel Osteen might be sincere, he might not. I suppose God will be able to sort through it all when the time comes. I just think that having a reality TV show and a stadium for your church is a sign of too much pride and not enough humility.

    December 1, 2011 at 11:13 am |
  2. morris2196

    I hope he can find an occupation for which he is qualified.

    December 1, 2011 at 11:08 am |
  3. Joel

    I thought his church sat 70 thousand or more???

    December 1, 2011 at 10:58 am |
  4. boocat

    Just one thing for "Christian Soldier" to ponder........"judge not lest ye be judged." Why is it that "christians" always seem to forget that? I'd rather be an honest atheist than a hypocritical "christian."

    December 1, 2011 at 10:47 am |
  5. Mirna Martinez

    I lived in Houston for a few months and visited Joel Osteen's church one. I thought his testimonials were fabricated! It did not seem geniune. This reality show is all part of his plan!

    December 1, 2011 at 10:37 am |
  6. Jerri

    I have met Joel Osteen and he is a genuinely nice man. The world is so negative and full of hate – it is refreshing to meet someone who tries to find the good in people and the world. The world needs more people like him. He is blessed and highly favored.

    December 1, 2011 at 10:35 am |
    • Grampa Moses

      You had s.ex with hijm didn't you! Shame on you!

      December 1, 2011 at 10:38 am |
    • He_loves_me

      He may be "nice" but does he walk in the word? does what he is doing line up with the word of God? This is the question Christians should always ask when they look at leadership in the faith.

      December 1, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • claybigsby

      "does what he is doing line up with the word of God? This is the question Christians should always ask when they look at leadership in the faith."

      I think you mean the word of MAN not god. Man wrote the bible, god didnt.

      December 1, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
  7. Reformed Christian

    Oh no, devils, demons, Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, Let's just burn all disbeleivers, just like the good o'l days. Oh and while your at it, beat your slaves and stone your daughters for promiscuity! What a bunch of backwards retards!

    December 1, 2011 at 8:59 am |
    • Reformed Christian

      "Preachers, lawyers, and wrestlers, they are all the same to me" I think Lauden Wainright III wrote this, regardless, it rings true...ok ok, not all lawyers lol!

      December 1, 2011 at 9:33 am |
  8. Mike

    Fake Smile. Closes His eyes when he speaks. Total phony. And he does it for the money. So right there he is full of it. Jesus is turning in his grave with all these people.

    December 1, 2011 at 8:08 am |
    • Gina

      I totally agree. And if you have ever heard his sermon's on tv, it's always a happy go lucky message. And he never really basis his sermon on the bible. I can tell you a happy go lucky message every week... Do i need to goto a plastic surgeon and make myself look more pleasing to the eye to get people to watch and give me money??

      December 1, 2011 at 8:15 am |
    • CSMinDC

      Jesus is not in Joseph's grave.

      December 1, 2011 at 8:35 am |
    • Jimmmm

      Hell no, Gina! You're beautiful!

      December 1, 2011 at 9:01 am |
    • Reformed Christian

      I agree Mike, but people just have to have something to "belive" in. Reality is just to tough! I'll bet Benny Hinn is GENUINE, just look at his combover!

      December 1, 2011 at 9:10 am |
  9. jjdrury

    listen folks"god is a concept for which we measure our pain" john lennon.

    December 1, 2011 at 7:03 am |
    • Reformed Christian

      So true, but the masses feel guilt in disbeleif, so the the err on the safe side, what a joke! "Religion" the the well from which much evil springs... John L, a reality precher indeed. Whis you were still here!

      December 1, 2011 at 9:15 am |
  10. lastofall

    God resists the proud, and only gives grace the the humble.

    December 1, 2011 at 5:17 am |
    • Jimtanker

      Or you could live in the real world.

      December 1, 2011 at 7:35 am |
  11. Mike H.

    How did this degenerate into a discussion of theology and faith? Isn't the topic about Joel Osteen's new reality show?

    December 1, 2011 at 3:52 am |
    • Brett

      I wouldn't say it degenerated. I would say it has progressed. Theology and Faith are much more interesting and important topics than Joel Osteen's Reality show.

      December 1, 2011 at 4:19 am |
  12. Wudstok

    I'm sorry...but look at the picture on the top of the page...the guy has the kind of face that you wanna just punch on principle...(Not that I would ever do it or actually want anyone to do it or anything like that...)

    December 1, 2011 at 12:58 am |
    • Wudstok

      And notice: my comment is number 666...What do ya think it means???

      December 1, 2011 at 12:59 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Nothing – it's just a number, unless *you* think it is a religiously significant number then your questions about it means you are are stupid.

      December 1, 2011 at 1:03 am |
    • atroy

      All of Satan's disciples gnash their teeth.

      December 1, 2011 at 7:57 am |
  13. Reality

    Saving Christians like "Pretty-Boy" Osteen from the Infamous Resurrection/Easter Con/:

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

    To wit;

    From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

    "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
    Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

    Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

    Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

    The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

    Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

    "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

    The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

    Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

    With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,


    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    p.168. by Ted Peters:

    Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

    So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

    December 1, 2011 at 12:27 am |
    • RC

      This debate has been coming up for 2000 years. Various philosophers and religious people in the past 2000 years thought and tried to make the argument that what is physical is inherently evil, and what is spiritual is inherently good; therefore, Jesus was either only a man, or he was a spirit who looked like a man. To claim he was only a man is to deny the teachings of the Bible itself about the Messiah's origins, purpose, and destiny. To claim he was only a spirit is to ignore passages that specifically mention him being hungry or thirsty; sweating drops of blood the night he was betrayed; Thomas touching the nail holes after his resurrection.

      This is nothing new, and every time it comes around, it's refuted by logic and reason.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:43 am |
    • Jimtanker

      I know that you didn't just use the words logic and reason in defense of the bible did you? FAIL!!!

      December 1, 2011 at 7:24 am |
  14. jedipimp23

    I've never understood why atheists or agnostics go out of their way to "convert' and advertise their point of view. I get why Christians do it...as well as numerous other religions based upon the premise that heaven and hell exists and your decisions based on your faith dictate where you go in you afterlife. Thinking logically however, I have a serious problem with atheists...especially ones who set out to convert. Here's the heart of the issue...let's say Christians are wrong and Atheists are right, and when you die...nothing happens. Everybodys existence just ends...Christians and atheists alike. The one difference...Christians had hope and faith and peace in their final moments as well as (for the most part leading a moral and caring life helping others), where atheists are left to wonder if theyve been wrong about faith all along. Now...suppose Christians are right and there is a heaven and a hell and you as an atheist converted numerous people away from their faith. Well, that would be quite possibly the most evil thing anyone could possibly do.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:51 pm |
    • Green Furhammer

      atheists die knowing they've had a full life, not wasting time praying to something that doesn't exist.

      atheists die happy.

      the religious die in fear of not knowing if they've repented hard enough. god might still be angry if they cursed that one time and didn't repent for it.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • Nancy

      That's a very generalized statement you make. I can make the same argument that Christians go out of their way to make sure I'm satanic and that I have no morals. Quite frankly I don't care what you believe in as long as you preach tolerance and respect for others. I certainly do and I am an Atheist. Maybe you should spend more time out in the open world with other people who don't believe in the same things as you do and you'll be amazed at how much you'll learn about individualism instead of generalitlies off the internet.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:00 am |
    • ZEUS


      December 1, 2011 at 12:11 am |
    • christian soldier

      That's because atheism is a religion, and like all religions, it goes out of its way to win people over. This "Belief Blog" is filthy with atheists. Either they are trying to convert us, or else they are trying to convince themselves that they are right. Think about it. Really, why are they here? What do they gain by converting us? But they do try to reinforce each other. Or yet another reason may be that they are really very angry with Christianity and are using this forum in a pathetic attempt to strike out at it. I believe that they no only are non-believers, but that they absolutely hate believers. I have no idea why.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:25 am |
    • christian soldier

      I hope all atheists burn in hell where they belong.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:26 am |
    • HotAirAce

      You just have to love christian charity and such clearly displayed hyprocrisy... All that I know of your imaginary buddy jesus tells me that he would be severely embarassed by christian soldier – if he existed, of course.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:30 am |
    • christian soldier

      There is someone impersonating me. I did not say anything about hoping anyone burns in hell. That was not me.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:34 am |
    • Frank Bund

      You might as well have said it. I've seen a bunch of your posts today and basically, you seem to get your rocks off real hard in condemning people. You're a judgmental little pile of garbage. I bet if makes your pants feel real tight in telling everyone they're going to find out when they die where they're going. Pitching a little tent are you? You are the epitome of what christianity is about. A group of people that toss off in delight over telling people in so many words that they're going to burn.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:41 am |
    • christian soldier

      Let me ask you something, Frank Bund. Don't you agree that criminals should be punished before the law? So it is with Christians and sinners. We want them to be saved, but we agree that if they aren't, they have to be punished. Otherwise, there is no justice. Otherwise, anyone can do whatever he/she wants.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:56 am |
    • tlarose

      "We want them to be saved, but we agree that if they aren't, they have to be punished. Otherwise, there is no justice. "

      Your god, if he/she exists, may punish me all they like after I die, but you xtians, however, MAY NOT!

      December 1, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
  15. Dan Believer

    God Bless you all! Believe in him and he will beieve in you!

    November 30, 2011 at 11:38 pm |
    • Green Furhammer

      which him? there are somewhere around 3700 cataloged deities.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:57 pm |
  16. AvdBerg

    Joel Osteen is a false apostle who has transformed himself into an apostle of Christ (2 Cor. 11:13-15). He follows after the spirit of this world and preaches a false Christ (Matthew 24:24). He is spiritually blind (1 Cor. 2:14) and doesn’t know what spirit he serves (Luke 9:55).

    For a better understanding why people keep reaching out to these blind guides (Matthew 23:16,24) and what spirit Joel Osteen serves, we invite you to read the article ‘False Apostles and False Christs’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    The following is an excerpt.

    “Most articles that were used for the book ‘A World Deceived’ were written fifteen to twenty years ago, and since those days many other false prophets have sprung up. Most of them have built themselves multi-million dollar empires of the riches of this world, while they prey on the people of this world through their philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of this world and not after Christ (Col. 2:8).

    Some of them are: Kenneth Copeland, Jack Van Impe, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Jonathan Falwell, Pat Robertson, etc., etc. and in the future there will be others, even more deceptive than the ones previously mentioned, for this is what the people of this world desire as they refuse to believe in the true and living God.”

    Also, to give people a better understanding of the destructive forces behind CNN, Fox, US Politics and the issues that divide this world, we invite you to read the articles ‘CNN Belief Blog ~ Sign of the Times’ and ‘Influence of the Media’.

    CNN (Dan Gilgoff & Eric Marrapodi) is very familiar with the message we preach and with the content of our website. So, why will they not print spiritual truth and our article ‘False Apostles and False Christs’, instead of promoting a false apostle? Is it because the article is after the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17).

    If you like to see it printed on the CNN Belief Blog may we suggest you send them an e-mail (dan.gilgoff@cnn.com; eric.marrapodi@cnn.com).

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how this whole world has been deceived as confirmed by the Word of God in Revelation 12:9.

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    Don’t pay attention to the troll alerts. They are either atheists or members of the gay community or religious zealots.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
  17. tfly

    It amazes me how many people are commenting about things they know absolutely nothing about.

    1. Joel Osteen makes NOTHING from the church or its congregation. Lakewood pays him No salary. He quit taking a salary years ago & currently lives off his book sales – he's had several best-sellers already.

    2. Lakewood has always done A LOT of charity work in Houston and around the World. They've just never 'advertised' it too well. Most churches do charity work often – they usually don't publicize it though.

    3. His focus on of the show is to encourage Hope and charity..thats a lot better than 95% of programs on TV today..and you people are condemning him for it?

    November 30, 2011 at 10:47 pm |
    • hippypoet

      people actualy buy his stupid religious books? funny. stupid sheep beleivers.

      November 30, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • christian soldier

      The problem is that he does not preach about sin and repentence and the one true way. His is a feel-good religion that misrepresents God.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Steve

      Give me a brake.... This schmuck like Joyce Meyer rakes in MILLIONS upon MILLIONS acting like a man of the word... He is a phoney that give a small fraction of his MILLIONS to charity.... Get real and wake up !!

      November 30, 2011 at 11:06 pm |
    • Incognito23

      Joel Osteen preaches a prosperity gospel, not the true gospel.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • tlarose

      "1. Joel Osteen makes NOTHING from the church or its congregation. Lakewood pays him No salary. He quit taking a salary years ago & currently lives off his book sales – he's had several best-sellers already."

      Would he have best sellers if he didn't have the reputation from Lakewood? He stopped taking a salary from the church when he started taking millions of dollars directly from his followers...same thing!

      December 1, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
  18. Non-Doubting Thomas

    I am copying and pasting this because it makes so much sense.

    There are some pretty fundamental objections to Christianity that are hard to get around. Now before some believer rants back at me that I am evil, an “angry atheist”, or going to burn for all eternity in hell, please take the time to actually read and cogitate the objections. If you have an objection to what I say – post it, if you only object to the fact that I said it – don’t waste your breath, I feel no duty to be quiet about them.

    1. At its most fundamental level, Christianity requires a belief that an all-knowing, all-powerful, immortal being created the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies 13,700,000,000 years ago (the age of the Universe) sat back and waited 10,000,000,000 years for the Earth to form, then waited another 3,700,000,000 years for h.o.mo sapiens to gradually evolve, then, at some point gave them eternal life and sent its son to Earth to talk about sheep and goats in the Middle East.

    While here, this divine visitor exhibits no knowledge of ANYTHING outside of the Iron Age Middle East, including the other continents, 99% of the human race, and the aforementioned galaxies.

    Either that, or it all started 6,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a talking snake. Either way “oh come on” just doesn’t quite capture it.

    2. This “all loving’ god spends his time running the Universe and spying on the approximately 7 billion human beings on planet Earth 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He even reads their minds (or “hears their prayers”, if you see any difference) using some kind of magic telepathic powers, so as to know if they think bad thoughts, so he knows whether to reward or punish them after they die.

    3. The above beliefs are based on nothing more than a collection of Bronze and Iron Age Middle Eastern mythology, much of it discredited, that was cobbled together into a book called the “Bible” by people we know virtually nothing about, before the Dark Ages.

    4. A rejection of the supernatural elements of Christianity does not require a rejection of its morality. Most atheists and secular humanists share a large amount of the morality taught today by mainstream Christianity. To the extent we reject Christian morality, it is where it is outdated or mean spirited – such as in the way it seeks to curtail freedoms or oppose the rights of $exual minorities. In most other respects, our basic moral outlook is indistinguishable from that of the liberal Christian – we just don’t need the mother of all carrots and sticks hanging over our head in order to act in a manner that we consider moral.

    Falsely linking morality to a belief in the supernatural is a time-tested “three card trick” religion uses to stop its adherents from asking the hard questions. So is telling them it is “wrong to doubt.” This is probably why there is not one passage in the Bible in support of intelligence and healthy skepticism, but literally hundreds in support of blind acceptance and blatant gullibility.

    5. We have no idea of who wrote the four Gospels, how credible or trustworthy they were, what ulterior motives they had (other than to promote their religion) or what they based their views on. We know that the traditional story of it being Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is almost certainly wrong. For example, the Gospel of Matthew includes a scene in which Jesus meets Matthew, recounted entirely in the third person!! Nevertheless, we are called upon to accept the most extraordinary claims by these unknown people, who wrote between 35 to 65 years after Christ died and do not even claim to have been witnesses. It is like taking the word of an unknown Branch Davidian about what happened to David Koresh at Waco – who wrote 35 years after the fact and wasn’t there.

    6. When backed into a corner, Christianity admits it requires a “leap of faith” to believe it. However, once one accepts that pure faith is a legitimate reason to believe in something, which it most certainly is not, one has to accept all other gods based on exactly the same reasoning. One cannot be a Christian based on the “leap of faith” – and then turn around and say those who believe in, for example, the Hindu gods, based on the same leap, got it wrong. Geography and birthplace dictates what god(s) one believes in. Every culture that has ever existed has had its own gods and they all seem to favor that particular culture, its hopes, dreams, and prejudices. Do you think they all exist? If not, why only yours?

    Faith is not belief in a god. It is a mere hope for a god, a wish for a god, no more universal than the language you speak or the baseball team you support.

    7. The Bible is literally infested with contradictions, outdated morality, and open support for the most barbarous acts of cruelty – including, genocide, murder, slavery, ra.pe and the complete subjugation of women. All of this is due to when and where it was written, the morality of the times and the motives of its authors and compilers. While this may be exculpatory from a literary point of view, it also screams out the fact that it is a pure product of man, bereft of any divine inspiration.

    8. Having withheld any evidence of his existence, this god will then punish those who doubt him with an eternity burning in hell. I don’t have to kill, I don’t have to steal, I don’t even have to litter. All I have to do is honestly not believe in the Christian god and he will inflict a grotesque penalty on me a billion times worse than the death penalty – and he loves me.

    9. The stories of Christianity are not even original. They are borrowed directly from earlier mythology from the Middle East. Genesis and Exodus, for example, are clearly based on earlier Babylonian myths such as The Epic of Gilgamesh, and the Jesus story itself is straight from the stories about Apollonius of Tyana, Horus and Dionysus (including virgin birth, the three wise men, the star in the East, birth at the Winter solstice, a baptism by another prophet, turning water into wine, crucifixion and rising from the dead).

    November 30, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • christian soldier

      These are the same tired old arguments used by Atheists all the time. The fact is that you either accept God on faith or you don't. No amount of arguing is going to change my mind, and no amount of arguing is going to change your mind. My only question is why do you come on a "Belief Blog" to spout this? I don't go on atheist blogs to spout my religion.

      November 30, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
    • Non-Doubting Thomas

      If they are tired arguments, CS, why don't you show me where they are wrong? As to your comments – please see point 6.

      November 30, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • christian soldier

      So what about "Point 6?" Just because I say that you have to take it on faith means I can criticise other religions? Look everyone is free to take on faith what they will. I just know what MY religion says.

      November 30, 2011 at 10:48 pm |
    • christian soldier

      So what about "Point 6?" Just because I say that you have to take it on faith means I can criticise other religions? Look everyone is free to take on faith what they will. I will not make the final judgment. God will. I just know what MY religion says.

      November 30, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
    • hippypoet

      you're religion is stupid

      November 30, 2011 at 10:54 pm |
    • Carl Agostino

      I find Non-Doubting Thomas' comment to be very well put, and thought out. It is quite obvious that he has spent a lot of time thinking about this powerful subject matter. As for myself, I was brought up to believe in Roman Catholic religious beliefs. Now-a-days I reserve myself to the belief that there does exist some kind of afterlife after we pass from this earth, and with that, there quite possibly could be a "Head Honcho" contained within that afterlife. Weather those who believe choose to call him God, Yahweh, Buddha is another story all together. MY POINT, HOWEVER, TO RESPONDING TO Non-Doubting Thomas' RESPONSE IS THIS... Although his views and response to the article is very well put, because of the given "setting" here, and the people he his most certainly addressing (the type of people who's eye would be caught by such an article) his point(s) are pretty much lost to the wind at least a few lines in... this is because it's too long of a response, and in some cases, long winded. And again, it's because of the setting (the comment section at the bottom of a CNN.com article) that he will ultimately lose his readers attention. Not all of them of course, but most of them. Very well put though. I think he would get a much better response in a different setting.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • Brett

      Can someone please explain to me how the Intelligent Designers believe that the Universe is too complex to have been made without a creator, yet they can't answer how God was created without a creator?

      November 30, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
    • christian soldier


      That's because God was not created. He always has been, is, and will be for eternity.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • Brett

      @Christian solider. And that can't be said the same for the Universe, eh? The Universe couldn't always have existed? The universe must have had a creator, yet God is exempt from that rule?

      How about this: The Universe always has been, is, and will be for eternity. There, that's much more simple, leaving that unnecessary first step out.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:44 pm |
    • RC

      I believe Athiest are have the greatest faith in the world. They believe, that they have been EVERYWHERE and seen EVERYTHING and can conclude that there is no God. That's what the word means. A- meaning 'no', Thea- meaning 'God.' I personally don't believe in Athiest. If you say you don't know, that is one thing, but to say that you have looked everywhere and not found God is impossible.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:37 am |
    • HotAirAce

      I believe that the probability of there being any gods is so small, so close to zero, that to say "there are no gods" is much much closer to the truth than to say "there absolutely are gods." If believers were honest, they would admit that there is no independent verifiable proof of any god therefore there is a non-zero probability of any god existing, but that would put them on the path to atheism and they cannot go there. My assertion that there are no gods is at least as valid as any believers assertion that there are gods – until they come up with some proof of course.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:43 am |
    • RC

      @ HotAirAce

      Maybe if Christians were known for their love and generosity instead of thier intolerance and rudeness, more of what I say would prove to be true. The bible says they will know us by our love. That seems to be few and far between today. I believe that action alone would count as proof for many. As for proof, I believe that one day, "every knee will bow and every tongue will confess" that Jesus is Lord. I believe everyone will be there wheather they believe it or not.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:53 am |
    • Brett

      @RC - Yes, you may have something there. God could be hiding under some small rock on a planet in some distant galaxy. Maybe if we all yell "Olly, Olly, Oxen Free!!!" together, he'll come out from where he has been hiding.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:53 am |
    • RC

      I had a wonderful point by point refutation, but wordpress apparently is choking on some word or phrase, and not giving any error. This is a terrible comment system. Much as I'd like, I don't have the time or wakefulness to redo it and figure out where it's not working.

      December 1, 2011 at 4:23 am |
    • TheTruthFairy

      Try doing them one at a time. I'd be interested to read your refutations.

      @christian soldier
      You say no amount of arguing is going to change your mind. Is there anything that would change your mind? What if Zeus came to earth, and held a press conference showing off his godly powers. How would you handle such an event?

      December 1, 2011 at 7:23 am |
    • TheTruthFairy

      I should have said this in my first post, but oh well. At least post your refutation to point #9, as that's the one I'm most interested in.

      December 1, 2011 at 7:29 am |
    • Madtown

      christian soldier
      That's because God was not created. He always has been, is, and will be for eternity.
      Maybe the God we worship was created. Maybe there are a hierarchy of God's, who all get to create their own universes and realms, and they report to a higher God. Just a thought. The point is.......we don't know. I believe in God, but have the humiliity and open mind to say I have no idea whether it's true or not, it's just a feeling I have. I'd never draw conclusions or suggest statements of truth based on faith. That's arrogance.

      December 1, 2011 at 11:02 am |
    • RC

      A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere–Bibles laid open, millions of surprises, fine nets and stratagems. God is, if I may say it, very unscrupulous. If you are really a product of a materialistic universe, how is it that you don't feel at home there?

      December 1, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Iconoclast

      @Christian Soldier, If christ was indeed the prince of peace as your religion so loudly proclaims, then your moniker is an oxymoron. And gee, why would someone who BELIEVES in atheism post on a BELIEF blog? I don't know, I'm stumped.

      @Non-Doubting Tommy, good job, well put, excellent critique.

      @Joel Osteen, you better hope your god doesn't exist, I have a feeling if he does your worship of Mammon is going to land you in a lake of brimstone.

      December 1, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • tlarose

      "2. This “all loving’ god spends his time running the Universe and spying on the approximately 7 billion human beings on planet Earth 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He even reads their minds (or “hears their prayers”, if you see any difference) using some kind of magic telepathic powers, so as to know if they think bad thoughts, so he knows whether to reward or punish them after they die."

      So, you're saying that this god is istening to the 7 billion people on planet earth. What about the inhabitants of the other billions of galaxies/solar systems in this universe? Is he listening to them, too? If not, what a jerk this god is! Maybe they have their own gods...

      December 1, 2011 at 1:51 pm |
    • tlarose

      @Brett –

      Sorry, this is a pet-peeve of mine...

      "Olly, Olly, Oxen Free!!!" is really "All ye, All ye, outs in Free". Of course, it's been bast.ard-ized to what you wrote...

      With that being said, I agree with you 100%....Please continue... 🙂

      December 1, 2011 at 2:00 pm |
  19. christian soldier

    I'm sorry, you guys. I just can't help talking about the ho-mo-se-xuals, they get me all excited. I know it has nothing to do with the article, and I know I sound like a crazy, pompous tool, but it's all I have. Looking at Joel Osteen makes me tingly.

    November 30, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • christian soldier

      Well, doesn't that make you the man, now that you've stolen my user name? I stated quite a number of sins rotting our society, why do you focus only on hom-ose-xuality?

      November 30, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • :D

      lmao! oh that is too funny! good one!

      December 1, 2011 at 3:07 am |
  20. Darcy

    His hair is so bright...and shiny....

    November 30, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • Ray

      It's a trap!

      December 1, 2011 at 4:49 am |
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