November 30th, 2011
09:20 PM ET

Nativity Project leaders hope Supreme Court trek resonates

By Stacey Samuel, CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) - It made for an incongruous sight on Wednesday morning, as volunteer actors playing Mary and Joseph walked in procession in front of the U.S. Supreme Court with Baby Jesus (a 4-month-old).

Following them - wearing crowns and robes that didn't fully conceal jeans and sneakers underneath, - were volunteers dressed as two Wise Men and a Wise Woman, trailed by a two-humped camel and a 6-month-old donkey (also named Mary). The people weren't guided by a star, but by their religious conviction.

"First [we're] proclaiming the powerful message of Christmas: peace on Earth and good will toward men," said Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, who helped organize the Supreme Court Nativity. "And, then also embracing and celebrating religious freedom and our First Amendment right."

The Wednesday event launched its annual Nativity Project, an effort Mahoney is leading with activist Rev. Rob Schenck, president of the group Faith and Action. Now, in its fifth year, the gathering is the largest it's ever been.

"Well we added more singers this year and did that quite deliberately, because we found that the music conveys the message better than anything else, certainly better than preaching. Preaching doesn't go over real big on Capitol Hill, so you have to find new ways of transmitting the message," Schenck said.

The campaign is meant "to confront the erosion and hostility toward public expressions of faith especially during the Christmas Season," according to the announcement for the Nativity Project.

The hope is that religious groups and ordinary citizens will follow in suit in other communities nationwide, without fear of violating court rulings that ban public displays of Christmas crèches - often because they require public funding. The way around it, say the pastors, is to get a permit and have the funds for the scenes come from private donors.

"One of the reasons we are going in front of the Supreme Court with a live Nativity scene," Mahoney said, is "so no court in no municipality, anywhere across America, can say it's unconstitutional when we've been given permission to go in front of the U.S. Supreme Court."

He showed his permit allowing the group - it included a harpist - to walk from their offices on 2nd Street to the foot of the Supreme Court, and passing Capitol Hill.

Getting the permit also required having the animals tested for disease, Mahoney said.

Known for controversial exploits such displaying billboards linking Planned Parenthood to a "black genocide," Mahoney and Schenck collaborated on the Nativity Project, hoping to send a softer message and thus achieve broader appeal.

"Hopefully, people will focus on the broader message," said Mahoney, who acknowledges his past activism has been seen as divisive. "I think the message of hope and peace that Jesus brings transcends any political ideological views. There's not a Presbyterian Jesus, or a Baptist Jesus or an Episcopal Jesus, there's Jesus who's the hope of the whole world."

Their purpose now is to restore a tradition some will say has been supplanted by Santa Claus and "Frosty the Snowman," to bring back to the fore the scene and players revered by more than a billion Christians.

The pastors say that with the commercialization of Christmas, the holiday's spiritual meaning has been lost.

"Maybe in the new economy, it's going to force people to go back to a more simple, meaningful type of Christmas celebration," said Schenck, "...and maybe a simple little apple and a kiss on the cheek will do a lot more than a funny toy that'll be used for a few months and put away."

The message they want to send isn't just for Christians, Schenck said.

"Christmas transcends every kind of religious sectarianism," he says. "I've been to Muslim countries where families celebrate Christmas in their homes, because it transcends culture, and it transcends ethnicity, and we hope the message of Christmas ... is a message every person from every tradition and every background can embrace."

Members of other traditions generally see Christmas as a distinctly Christian holiday.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity • Christmas

soundoff (571 Responses)
  1. Reality

    One needs to read the books of contemporary NT scholars to see why their conclusions are about the historical Jesus and "holydays" like Christmas. A sampling is presented at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    A synopsis:

    :Jesus the Myth: Heavenly Christ
    Earl Doherty
    Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy

    Jesus the Myth: Man of the Indefinite Past
    Alvar Ellegård
    G. A. Wells

    Jesus the Hellenistic Hero
    Gregory Riley

    Jesus the Revolutionary
    Robert Eisenman

    Jesus the Wisdom Sage
    John Dominic Crossan
    Robert Funk
    Burton Mack
    Stephen J. Patterson

    Jesus the Man of the Spirit
    Marcus Borg
    Stevan Davies
    Geza Vermes

    Jesus the Prophet of Social Change
    Richard Horsley
    Hyam Maccoby
    Gerd Theissen

    Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet
    Bart Ehrman
    Paula Fredriksen
    Gerd Lüdemann
    John P. Meier
    E. P. Sanders

    Jesus the Savior
    Luke Timothy Johnson
    Robert H. Stein
    N. T. Wright

    December 1, 2011 at 12:18 am |
    • Reality

      Ooops, make that "what their conclusions are"

      December 1, 2011 at 12:19 am |
    • moreenlightened

      The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."

      December 1, 2011 at 12:24 am |
    • WrshipWarior

      The problem with contemporary scholars is most of them have lost touch with true faith and therefore err in their "theories". Their theories are not based on any truth. Why is it OK for some to want to redefine history? Would anyone try to redefine gravity after all these years? I doubt it.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:29 am |
    • tallulah13

      @ "moreenlightened"

      Christians like to quote that particular bible verse, Psalm 14:1. Of course, you forgot to point out that this was a bible verse, and instead apparently tried to pretend that you were the one that coined it.

      My response is that the bible has a vested interest in human belief in the christian god and therefore is can't be considered an unbiased judge of such things. It's rather like a a priest of Zeus informing you that you are a fool if you don't believe in Zeus. Can you see the conflict?

      December 1, 2011 at 1:11 am |
    • Bob

      tallulah13: There is equal conflict in someone who doesn't believe in God arguing that God doesn't exist.

      December 1, 2011 at 2:37 am |
  2. Happen

    Religion cannot abide freedom. Christians will not stop until America is a theocracy. They are too ignorant to realize it was rebellion against their idea of "government" that sparked the birth of this nation.

    December 1, 2011 at 12:17 am |
    • Bob

      If Christians cannot abide freedom, why is it that nations with a predominately Judeo-Christian religious background have the most religious freedom?

      December 1, 2011 at 2:40 am |
  3. ZEUS


    December 1, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • WrshipWarior

      That's an interesting statement coming from a mythological Greek god.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:14 am |


      i think that was his whole point genius.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:17 am |
  4. Enlightened

    So far to go this species. Still fighting about fiction. Fear is why sheep will always need a shepherd. You can't move forward when you're on your knees.

    December 1, 2011 at 12:07 am |
    • moreenlightened

      And you can't move forward pitching a tent in front of city hall either.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:14 am |
  5. Cold Breeze Queen of Hearts

    "I bet there's a positive correlation between Americans that know where Canada is and Americans that do not believe in any god."

    @Hot Air Ace

    Hi sweetie!!!Are you saying that only 2% of Americans know where Canada is, eh?

    December 1, 2011 at 12:05 am |
    • mickey1313

      sadly, 40% of americans believe that the mythos of christianity is real, and not fantisy. that is why i have no faith in americans, we are stupid sheeple.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:07 am |
    • False & True

      sadly, 40% of americans believe that the mythos of christianity is real, and not fantisy= False! it's 98%

      "that is why i have no faith in americans," True! obviously you're not american

      "we are stupid sheeple." True but only your race, Muslim terrorist?!

      December 1, 2011 at 12:58 am |
  6. fsmgroupie

    get down on your knees and beg for forgiveness or my sweet loving jesus is going to burn your a$$ in hell for millions and billions and trillions and zillions of eons but jesus sure loves you!! merry christmas!

    December 1, 2011 at 12:05 am |
    • ZEUS


      December 1, 2011 at 12:07 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Zeus, you would be the first one to talk to him in about 2000+ years – don't hold your breath – if he ever existed.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:11 am |
  7. WrshipWarior


    There. It's legal. No need to be politically correct about this. Nobody fell off of the planet now did they?

    December 1, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • Clint

      Happy Holidays. Hmmm, same deal, nobody died or anything......

      December 1, 2011 at 1:12 am |
    • HotAirAce

      I say to the believers dumb enough to knock on my door "Get the f*ck off my property now!" It's legal. No need to be politically correct about this. Nobody fell off of the planet now did they? Hmmm, same deal, nobody died or anything......

      December 1, 2011 at 1:23 am |
    • fred

      Let's see what will you if some children show up on your porch and sing away in a manger no crib for his bed, the little Lord Jesus lay still in his bed.........
      Hark the Harold Angels sing fa lala la la la la la, tis the season to be jolly fa la la la la la la la la

      December 1, 2011 at 1:28 am |
    • HotAirAce

      If they sing religious bullshit songs I will tell them they are wrong – that there are no gods, that jesus is a myth and that their parents are lying to them. If their parents are with them, I will tell them to "Fuck Off!" My rules are simple – you express your insanity on my property you will learn my views vigourously.

      On the other hand, if they sing non-religious songs, I will applaud, donate money if that is appropriate (not going to a religous cause) and offer their parents some "christmas cheer" (rum & coke).

      December 1, 2011 at 1:34 am |
    • Bob

      HotAirAce: The conversation might go something like this:
      You: Your parents are lying to you.
      Child: Why should I believe that?
      You: Because I don't believe what they say?
      Child: Why should I believe you instead of my parents?
      You: ?

      December 1, 2011 at 2:48 am |
    • HotAirAce

      True, but the deprogramming would have begun – for the child and their idiot parents.

      December 1, 2011 at 7:31 am |
  8. Steve

    Remember kiddies, the Christian Defense Coalition advocates for your right to celebrate a pagan Saturnalia in front of your local Protestant church!

    Happy Holidays!

    November 30, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • mickey1313

      And remember another fun fact, doing someing good, in the name of evil (christianity) is evil

      December 1, 2011 at 12:03 am |
  9. Reality

    The nitty-gritty that the Supreme Court needs to address to bring a final conclusion to all the Christmas display hype:

    Christmas, the embellished story of the birth of a simple, preacher man named Jesus.

    As per most contemporary NT exegetes, his parents were Mary and Joseph although some say Jesus was a mamzer, the result of a pre-marital relationship between Mary and a Roman soldier.


    Jesus was not born in Bethlehem at least the one we are familiar with and there were no pretty wingie thingies singing from on high, no slaughter of the innocents by Herod, no visiting wise men and no escape to Egypt.

    Conclusion: the "holyday" of Christmas is historically a non-event. Ditto for the Feast of the Magi and the solemnity of Mary aka New Years day.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
    • WrshipWarior

      @REALITY: Why do you keep throwing out quotes from a web site full of "theories"? Atheists have existed all throughout creation. Don't confuse their writing with genuine Christian writings. Anyone who denies the Deity of Christ is not a Christian.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:09 am |
    • Reality

      Saving Christians to include WrshipWarior from the Infamous Resurrection Con:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,


      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:13 am |
    • WrshipWarior

      You hit the nail on the head: "Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning..." Emphasis on the words, "even now". This is what happens after a few thousand years when "religion" replaces truth and people lose faith and start to believe lies.

      You can call true Christians weird, wackos, whatever you want. But as for me I know that my Redeemer lives.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:22 am |
    • Bob

      Proper conclusions are based on facts. What you present is based on assumptions only, and is therefore assumption itself. You quote what Reimarus thought about the Resurrection (by the way, it is not an 'account,' as it is not an observation of what happened). But what you don't say is why it should convince anyone who does believe in the Resurrection. (The theory has at least one problem: why did the disciples maintain the fiction after they found out it did not "maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing" but rather ensured their deaths?)

      You also say "Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies". " This is factually wrong. There is not even one person who knows this.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:10 am |
    • Happy Atheist


      You don't and cannot "know" a redeemer exists, that is just what you choose to believe. Unless you have evidence to prove your claim that a redeemer exists then you are believing something without evidence which is irrational.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:12 am |
    • Reality

      Then there are the infamous angelic cons:

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      "Latter-day Saints like Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".


      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      December 1, 2011 at 7:09 am |
  10. Free Thinker Seeking Reason



    'Tis the season for REASON, _not_ supersti-tion.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
    • Steve

      Thank you!

      So many Christians insist that believing in Jesus Christ is somehow different from believing in Santa Clause. Christian hypocrisy is disgusting.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:03 am |
    • Bob

      Hypocrisy is saying something that you don't believe and/or act upon. Since Christians believe and act as if belief in Christ is different than belief in Santa Claus, they are not hypocrites just because you don't agree with them.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:13 am |
  11. LouAz

    There has got to be a God; the world could not have become so screwed up by chance alone. – Edward Abbey

    November 30, 2011 at 11:55 pm |
  12. PDEngineer

    Christmas comes from the celebration of Sol Invictus, first decreed by Aurelian to celebrate his favorite diety which became a national god of sorts on the 25th of December (modern calender). Constantine later rededicated the already existing national holiday to Jesus, keeping the same (more or less) festivities intact. Christmas was intended to be a celebration of Jesus's "birth" into the Roman nation...the winter is an unlikely time for Jesus's real birth as evidenced by multiple passages in the bible.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • PDEngineer

      It should also be noted that while Constantine was very much a Christian man, he had a particular interest in Sol Invictus. His coinage displays the Invincible Sun, and he often partook in the games associated with the Winter Solstice. Constantine was the one who decreed that dies sol, Sunday, would be the official Roman day of rest (as opposed to the Jewish sabbatical). This makes sense in the historical context, since Constantine was the first Christian emperor.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • mickey1313

      PDE, sorry, but you are wrong. Constintene didnt convert untill he was literally on his death bed, he just saw the zelots of christianity were much more brainwashed then the pagans, who believed in reason, and so, to control the empire better, "converted". It is the same with the president of the united states. For 30+ years the president has been christian, but not a single one of them follows the christian tenents, it is all manipulation. Anyone who thinks the openion of a mythic sky-god is relavant, is a fool.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:13 am |
  13. SurRy

    Did they really have a 4-month-old infant out in this cold weather? For how long?

    November 30, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
  14. Alex in NJ

    Well I likely would not agree with much of what the group has to say other than this, I admire them for defending their First Amendment right. I totally support the separation of church and state, yet in the pursuit of that goal, we have gone too far in the other direction. We have focused too much on the Separation Clause, and it has caused us to violate the Free Exercise Clause. People have the right to publicly exercise their religion, no matter who doesn't like it. If you're offended, go to a nation with limited religious freedom, like Syria or France. Finally I love how CNN had to have the last word, but they are wrong. Some Muslims do celebrate Christmas as they see Jesus as one of the lesser prophets, just below Mohammed.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • mickey1313

      1) the right to practace is fine, but if they want to do so in public, then any passers by have the right to mock them for the stupidity that oozes out of them, 2)as far as muslems celibrating christmas, that would be the same muslems that do not read there holy book, "there is no god but god, and mohamid was his profit". no other profits are devine, thus it is against muslem tenants to worship him.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:17 am |
  15. heliocracy

    "The pastors say that with the commercialization of Christmas, the holiday's spiritual meaning has been lost." Classic straw-man argument. Everyone knows the real meaning of Christmas, it's just that we don't really take it all seriously like the over-religious nut jobs of the world.

    November 30, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • SurRy

      This past week was full of people celebrating the real meaning of Christmas...camping out in parking lots, abandoning family at home, mobbing stores (some suffering or causing serious injuries) to buy junk made in China by child labor. All to celebrate the baby Jesus' birthday.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Tha pastors (religous lying scumbag charlatans all) are worried about the commercialization of christmas because they are in a declining business and are having a hard time adjusting to the fact that they will soon be selling their bullshit beside astrologists in 'Vegas.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:02 am |
    • mickey1313

      Sury, to true. That is the pentical of christian thinking, MINE MINE MINE, NOW NOW NOW. TO HELL WITH THE REST.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:19 am |
    • Bob

      HotAirAce: Do you have any facts to back up your claim?

      December 1, 2011 at 3:16 am |
  16. JerusalembelongstoMuslim

    There is two muslims, the one that "radicals" and the one that "moderate".
    Moderate Muslim such as Indonesia, Egypt, Kuwait, Lebanon, Turks, and Pakistan.
    Radicals such as Palestine, Syria, Iran, Afghan,West Indonesia and North East Pakistan.
    Go find Muslim, ask them personally to clean this thing and they will probably say to you "we know this but we unsure what Koran said to us because we don't understand the Arabic translation at all, we relying on our imam (priest) on mosque. So when radical imam told us to kill, we will but when moderate imam told us to love, we will. We only pawn on submitting to Allah will whatever its good or bad for the world, if Allah said its good the it'll good for us but the problem we didn't know what Allah want us to do except through them (imam/priest), we only a pawn in submitting faith to Allah"

    Christians, on medieval age, had been on this way too, because what? because they didn't know the real bible because firstly they only listened to their priest on Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. This blind method can usually used (plotted) by the enemy to create division (know on network security as middle man- eves drove). But after all know the real message of Jesus Christ, they know that whatever it translate or said, the message only one, it is love, peace, and care.

    Islam is the same, soon Muslims will realize the real message of Islam. Some radicals said that all peace will come when all the world is become Islam but look at middle eastern, the Iran, is there a one piece of peace there?

    Confucius once said, "one can't govern the whole country if he can't govern his own house."

    November 30, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • mickey1313

      JDEVIL, you are obvously a right-wing POS. There is not a liberal alive that would state that someone who murders childeren "just need to be understood". You spread hate, the same as all thiests spread hate.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:27 am |
  17. Giggle!!

    Why "Thansk" me? What word is that?!

    November 30, 2011 at 11:42 pm |
  18. SQually

    Happy Holidays nut jobs!

    November 30, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • JDevil1735

      Interesting how you are calling them nutjobs – while the left constantly says that people who, in the name of Islam, burn 11 year old girls for wearing lipstick should be understood.

      November 30, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
  19. J.J.J. Schmidt

    Happy Holidays!

    November 30, 2011 at 11:32 pm |
  20. peoplearecrazy

    Is it sad that I don't even remember what we're celebrating on xmas anymore? Stupid commercialization..

    November 30, 2011 at 11:31 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      We celebrate "greedy gift getting season."

      November 30, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • Green Furhammer

      christians get angry when you take the christ out of christmas and use an x instead.

      xmas cheer!

      November 30, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • Cole

      we are celebrating the wrong date of a shepherd's birth all in order to gain more religious followers from the pagans

      December 1, 2011 at 12:00 am |
    • Free Thinker Seeking Reason

      Merry XMas!

      Ahhhh, much better.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:01 am |
    • mickey1313

      It is suposed to be a 5000 year old re-claiming of the hope, so that next year will be better then last year (yule) then evil men merged a jewish cult (christianity) with the worship os Sol Invictus, and presto change-o, christmas was born. All thiests are foolish HYPOCRITES.

      December 1, 2011 at 12:30 am |
    • tallulah13

      Considering that early christians commandeered Saturnalia from the Romans and claimed it for Christ's birthday in order to keep recent converts happy, I'd say that gift giving and partying are spot-on for the holidays. That's what Saturnalia was all about.

      December 1, 2011 at 1:17 am |
    • fred

      I agree with you ! Even God (yes in the Bible) said he was not all impressed with all our holidays and celeberations because we do not follow or worship with our hearts. To all the Christians that party and shop it may as well be Saturnalia. However, to the few that follow Christ and love their neighbor doing good for all around them God is pleased. I suspect if Christians followed Christ more often there would be less hostility towards them.

      December 1, 2011 at 1:43 am |
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