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December 1st, 2011
02:09 PM ET

My Take: Attention black churches, ignorance on HIV/AIDS can kill

Editor’s Note: Rev. Stacey Latimer is the founder and CEO of Love Alive International, a faith-based non-profit committed to empowering African-Americans with HIV/AIDS.  He is senior pastor of the group’s non-denominational ministry.

By Stacey Latimer, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Marcus was pastor of a Sunday school at a Baptist church in the South. He was born as a same-gender-loving man. As most same-gender-loving people in fundamentalist houses of worship, Marcus lived a double life, or on the “down low,” for he felt it was the only way to continue in ministry and stay connected to the community he loved.

The congregation absolutely loved Marcus’ vocal gift. He could sing them into the presence of the Lord.

When Marcus found out that he was HIV positive, he informed his beloved pastor, who directed him to allow the elders of the church to anoint him with oil and pray for him each Sunday until God healed and delivered him. Following the advice of his spiritual leader, Marcus did this for eight years without any medical care from a health professional.

Read the full story here from CNN's In America Blog
- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Church • HIV

soundoff (146 Responses)
  1. J Lo

    HS-Good job, in talking about this debilitating disease.
    The Truth hurts!
    The consequences of risky behavior is proof to this horrible disease.

    December 4, 2011 at 8:50 am |
  2. HeavenSent

    Heaven sent us tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters that have killed many innocent victims, plus cancers, typhoid, malaria, lupus and many other diseases that have caused horrible suffering and death.

    Wow, god is quite a mean and evil bast-ard, that's for sure.

    December 3, 2011 at 3:50 pm |
  3. Tommie Farts

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl3aQZTiOss&w=640&h=360]

    December 3, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HahhhHha! That was funny!

      December 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
  4. HeavenSent

    Heaven sent us tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters that have killed many innocent victims, plus cancers, typhoid, malaria, lupus and many other horrible diseases that have caused horrible suffering and death.

    Wow, god is quite a mean and evil bast-ard, that's for sure.

    December 3, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom is babbling again using my handle as the phony heavensent.

      He's a walking talking disaster zone with his high risk lifestyle.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Get Real

      HeavenSent (the real one)

      Let's see now, at least 20 times you have been told that Tom, Tom is a woman (and a married one)?! That "Holy Spirit" doesn't do much for your memory, does it... nor does it guide you in correct vocabulary. You might be better suited to preaching on a soapbox in the park....

      December 3, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Get Real, you posted "HeavenSent (the real one)

      Let's see now, at least 20 times you have been told that Tom, Tom is a woman (and a married one)?! That "Holy Spirit" doesn't do much for your memory, does it... nor does it guide you in correct vocabulary. You might be better suited to preaching on a soapbox in the park...."

      Answer: I care less what he or she really thinks they are. Obnoxious is the first thing that comes to mind when reading one of "it's" post.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      *sigh* ITS, you bloody idiot.

      It's "couldn't care less".

      Jesus, please give this moron two brain cells to rub together.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "he's a walking disaster zone with his high-risk lifestyle."

      What is it with you? I don't HAVE a "high risk lifestyle." I am a woman who's been married to the same man for 31 years and have been completely monogamous. What risk are you farting on about, you dope?

      December 3, 2011 at 3:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you’re babbling again “"he's a walking disaster zone with his high-risk lifestyle."

      What is it with you? I don't HAVE a "high risk lifestyle." I am a woman who's been married to the same man for 31 years and have been completely monogamous. What risk are you farting on about, you dope?”

      Answer: You write what you want to write any time you choose. You stated months ago on another article when you were blasting another Christian that you are male with a husband. Then you were a lesbian etc. I care less. Your posts continuously steer the conversations to circular arguments so that truth gets bogged down. Nothing new on this fact Tommie, Tom. When all else fails, you post your carnal nonsense under my handle or another Christian’s hand because you know you’re loosing the debate. Why? Because truth is on our side and you can’t handle your that your lies don’t hold water.

      So, you‘ll continue to rant and rave and post all over an article insulting me with your babble and others that are winning a debate against your nonsense lies and deceptions.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
    • Alfred E Newman

      Game ,set and match to the real HeavenSent as she kicks Tom tom the pipers son to the curb again. You rock HeavenSent !

      December 3, 2011 at 4:13 pm |
    • TakeTheBluePill

      Genesis stupidity and absurdity:

      God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). 1:3-5

      God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8

      Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11

      In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs". This, of course, is exactly what astrologers do: read "the signs" in the Zodiac in an effort to predict what will happen on Earth. 1:14

      "He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16

      "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." 1:17

      "I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat."
      Since many plants have evolved poisons to protect against animals that would like to eat them, God's advice is more than a little reckless. Would you tell your children to go out in the garden and eat whatever plants they encounter? Of course not. But then, you are much nicer and smarter than God. 1:29

      "He rested."
      Even God gets tired sometimes. 2:2

      December 3, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      First of all, fake HS, I don't post under any name but this one, and if there are any posts that state anything other than what I just wrote, they're not mine.

      Now, go to bed herbalicious.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Fake HS, I must have really handed you your azz in an argument for you to have followed my posts for "months". Poor little thing. If you are so wounded by my words, perhaps you should go home to your mommy. If you can't take the heat, dear, stay out of the kitchen.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Alfred E Newman

      What are you on about Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, HeavenSent just kicked your butt, your whining only confirms you lost.

      December 3, 2011 at 8:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Right, herbie, you just keep telling yourself that while you fap away to HS's photo on your bathroom wall, dear.

      December 3, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • Alfred E Neuman

      To Tom, Tom : To the dishonest all others appear dis honest, HeavenSent has won with class , dignity and honor. You are a loser , get over yourself. Good job HeavenSent.

      December 4, 2011 at 7:38 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Poor herbie. Still smarting from the smack-down I gave you, I see.

      December 4, 2011 at 10:18 am |
    • .....

      "Obnoxious is the first thing that comes to mind when reading one of "it's" post."

      Kettle meet pot, pot meet kettle.

      December 5, 2011 at 11:22 am |
  5. SecularTruther

    This is really sad that this still happens this day in age. I'm betting Marcus had an even more horrible death than he would've had if he seeked medical professionals to help him. A joint would have done more then old folks pouring oil on him and praying. It's stories like this that make me hope that religion dies off sooner then later.

    December 2, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
  6. Answer

    The issue of HIV is having an infected person's blood enter another person who is not infected. Simple.

    Here the stupid religious people are once trying to justify their rules with their uptight crazy talk.
    What is the correct form of a s-e-x-u-a-l act?

    Religious morons always wanting to define it out for everyone. What a joke.
    Why don't you define which is the god given s-e-x-u-a-l position? Why not define how many inches of the male p-e-n-i-s can enter a woman's v-a-g-i-n-a? Can you wiggle while doing it? Can you laugh while you do it? Can you fart? Can you look?

    Laughable as always.. religious morons wanting to confirm their right at telling people on what and how and where and everything in between.

    December 2, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
    • Answer

      Have you ever asked god why HE is a virgin and telling you in your book on how to have s-e-x? So funny.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Are you suggesting it ok for atheists to fart while haveing $ex?

      December 2, 2011 at 5:28 pm |
    • George

      You really do have a problem with morality, don't you? You come on a "Belief Blog" and start calling religious people morons. Unbelievable.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, I call YOU a moron, George. Not ALL religious people.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:09 pm |
    • George

      You don't like morality, do you Tom, Tom?

      December 2, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Whose morality, you dipwad? Yours? Your bible's? Sorry, bub, I don't believe in the god you think rules the world. You believe a particular behavior is immoral. I don't. Why should your opinion hold sway? It's none of your e ff ing business what people do in their bedrooms. If you don't like s3x, don't have any. You have no say in others' private lives. Keep your fat nose out of it, you moronic azz.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
    • George

      Yep, you answered my question. You spit on traditional morality, and the language you use and how you talk to people shows that you have no morality of your own.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you can tell whether a person is moral by the way he writes?

      I'll bet you'd have vouched for Ted Bundy's morality, then, you simple-minded troll.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Answer: I feel sorry for any of your former partners or future partners. None of what you post is meant for intelligent conversation but to be used as an audience for your narcissistic rants. If you cared or wanted to know what the mature and proper conduct is when being with a partner, you would have learned added it to your lifestyle. Since you obviously haven't, Christians telling you is a waste of time.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 4:14 pm |
    • George

      @Tom Tom

      Learn what "necessary but not sufficient" condition means.

      December 3, 2011 at 4:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, PLEASE, Georgie, teach me! I know you have ALL the answers!

      December 3, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      By the way, George, you imply in a post on another thread that you had feelings for those of your same gender but chose not to act on them. Is that correct? Are you in fact in the closet?

      December 3, 2011 at 11:22 pm |
  7. HIV Boy

    Come one come all, bend over and let me give you as ASS full of A.I.D.S. ya butt humpers.

    December 2, 2011 at 11:46 am |
  8. Reality

    And from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (S-TDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psychological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with S-TDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    More problems:

    http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/20/yes-o-ral-s-ex-is-se-x-and-it-can-boost-cancer-risk/?npt=NP1

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens: Or-al s-ex carries many of the same risks as va-ginal s-ex, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of o-ral cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al s-ex is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'"

    December 2, 2011 at 7:40 am |
  9. Secular Truther

    I'd say saying the most important book ever that is nothing more than barbaric war stories, fairy tales for children that is also has incredible inaccuriate history and condones slavery, hate, murder, abandoning your own family, etc... is ignorance.

    December 2, 2011 at 6:02 am |
    • George

      Must really make you crazy that many people in the world and most people in this country subscribe to the teachings of that book.

      December 2, 2011 at 10:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I find it amazing how many have no eyes to see nor ears to hear his truth while reading Jesus' truth (the Bible). It's the sin of pride (aka your own big ego) working against you folks.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Really?

      "I find it amazing how many have no eyes to see nor ears to hear his truth while reading Jesus' truth (the Bible). It's the sin of pride (aka your own big ego) working against you folks."

      Heaven Sent baby you take the cake on ego dear, you are the one blinded to your own miserable self hatred and disgusting life.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:48 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Really?, you babbled lies ""I find it amazing how many have no eyes to see nor ears to hear his truth while reading Jesus' truth (the Bible). It's the sin of pride (aka your own big ego) working against you folks."

      Heaven Sent baby you take the cake on ego dear, you are the one blinded to your own miserable self hatred and disgusting life."

      Answer: Oh, in your view I'm suppose to be hateful for telling you Jesus truth of abstinence along with the scientific truth of abstinence that saves lives. GMAB with your foolishness. Both Jesus and Science are in total agreement when telling you how to save your soul.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
    • Answer

      "Science are in total agreement when telling you how to save your soul. "

      Retarded comments as per usual from the zealot spiels. What is a soul?
      Fancy talk for "I have no clue but my book says is the truth". You believe your stupid book – good for you. Such nonsense and you people keep on rehashing your diatribe daily to convince yourself of your sanctimonious crap. Give it up. You better learn some science and see if you can find your soul.

      Your soul is your version of being lazy. That is all there is to your religious life.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Answer, you're the one being lazy, there are several scriptures pertaining to our souls in the Bible. Refusing to read His letter to all of us is why you don't know that soul is you.

      Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • Really?

      "Answer, you're the one being lazy, there are several scriptures pertaining to our souls in the Bible. Refusing to read His letter to all of us is why you don't know that soul is you.

      Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

      What a crock of crap, man doesn't have a soul, they have a brain that makes some think they are more than just an animal. But you will be dust one day- there is NO heaven, there is no Hell, it's a man made concept to keep fools like you groveling all their lives.

      December 5, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Really?, you posted on my comment "Answer, you're the one being lazy, there are several scriptures pertaining to our souls in the Bible. Refusing to read His letter to all of us is why you don't know that soul is you.

      Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

      What a crock of crap, man doesn't have a soul, they have a brain that makes some think they are more than just an animal. But you will be dust one day- there is NO heaven, there is no Hell, it's a man made concept to keep fools like you groveling all their lives."

      Answer: Jesus teaches many truths. Spiritual growth that strengthens into righteous living along with learning how to break is what you non believers should start working on. I say this with all due respect.

      Amen.

      December 5, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesus teaches many truths. Spiritual growth that strengthens into righteous living along with learning how to break is what non believers should start working on. I say this with all due respect.

      Amen.

      December 5, 2011 at 8:20 pm |
  10. T

    IIf you don't want AIDS, don't "eat de poo poo."

    December 2, 2011 at 2:33 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually T, it's called abstinence.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:46 am |
    • Hmmm

      Perhaps the an*s is not meant for that kind of...well, you know what I mean.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:49 am |
  11. christian soldier

    If you don't want hiv, stop having depraved s.ex (hete.rose.xual or ho.mos.exual), save s.ex for marriage, and stop the illicit drug use. Very, very, very few cases come from blood transfusions and other means of transmission, especially since the blood supply is monitored for hiv. Hiv infection comes from sinful behavior even though it is not politically correct to say so.

    December 1, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What, pray tell, is "depraved s3x"? Does the bible forbid a nal s3x? Or are you just skeeved out by it because you're a prude, therefore it MUST be "wrong"?

      December 1, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      By the way, you're an azzhole.

      December 1, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
    • christian soldier

      I just love how the atheists show their lack of morals by using vulgar language. They just can't stand that God sets standards that we all must live by or suffer judgment.

      December 1, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • Tuskanini

      Since your "god" does not exist to back up anything you say, all your arguments are patently false. You are a basically a liar whether you are willfully ignorant of that fact or not.....

      December 1, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • christian soldier

      The Word of God is the truth and answers all questions. Unfortunately, some bitter old people can't handle it. When they wake up burning in the pits of hell, they'll have an eternity to think about what they've done wrong. Leviticus 20:13 tells us what should be done. Repent, Tom. You seem awfully guilty of taking part in depraved perversions.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:14 am |
    • christian soldier

      Agreed!

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:15 am |
    • tallulah13

      So a person who has s.ex with their spouse, unaware that the spouse had cheated on them, is engaging in sinful behavior? So a child who receives a blood transfusion tainted with HIV during surgery is engaging in sinful behavior? So a person who contracts HIV due to se.xual as.sault is engaging in criminal behavior?

      christian soldier, your att.itude proves the validity if this article. Ignorance like yours can be fatal. You are not part of the solution, and thus you are part of the problem.

      December 2, 2011 at 2:22 am |
    • ~

      The thief above that stole the christian soldier handle raise your hand-you are busted.

      December 2, 2011 at 9:39 am |
    • George

      You can't argue with the facts about how hiv is transmitted. You can blaspheme or deny God all you want, but hiv is brought on by sinful behavior. All you people who cry blood transfusions, cite the statistics that show that means of transmission is anywhere near on a par with filthy and sinful behavior. The OP is correct.

      December 2, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • Nonimus

      @Christian soldier,
      Mark 10:21 tells you "what should be done." Why aren't you doing that?

      I thought lying was a sin.
      HIV/AIDS is transmitted by some bodily fluids, primarily blood. The only reason it is not normally transmitted by medical blood transfusions is because the "blood banks", specifically screen for the virus in order to protect patients. If it were not for that human initiated protection then there would be many more deaths.

      So are you saying that a non-screened blood transfusion is a sin?

      December 2, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • Answer

      "You can blaspheme or deny God all you want, but hiv is brought on by sinful behavior."

      It is "behavior" – nothing to do with "sin". What you did was add the adjective to your argument. Get real and face the facts that your version of what comes from a brain that is awashed in doctrines is speaking. The general fact of the matter is simply that it is a s-e-x-u-a-l behaviour.

      Religious people like yourself always want to idealize your own special interest about s-e-x. What you feel is the correct form of s-e-x. You can not accept a-n-a-l s-e-x nor can your kind accept o-r-a-l s-e-x. What you want is to label everything you can not agree with. Simple.

      Yet so stupid as to make up sin to attach things to. Laughable and utterly ridiculous.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:14 pm |
    • George

      I did not make up the adjective sinful. That behavior was considered sinful for thousands of years. It is called sod.omy – s.e.x that is not how God intended. I'm talking both hetero and h.o.m.o.s.e.x.ual sod.omy. Also, s.e.x. outside of a God ordained marriage.

      December 2, 2011 at 5:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You should look up the word "sodomy", George. To quote Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what you think it means."

      Why don't you ask God to give you a few more brain cells. The two you have are lonely.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
  12. Muneef

    Any one considered that unsterilized use of sharp items at barber shops can cause the same with out the need to be gay..?
    Or rather say the use of contaminated needles or blood supply could lead to same...even spreading it faster than the need to be gay...!!
    Wonder if it is a new type of weapons of war being used to take effect and infect a certain type of DNA's of Races...? Well in such terrible times every thing is possible....

    December 1, 2011 at 7:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      In this country, barber shops and beauty salons are monitored for cleanliness. They're required to sterilize equipment. Our blood supply is also regulated.

      Maybe you should move here.

      December 1, 2011 at 7:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Speaking of blood supply, have you read the requirements for giving blood on the R-ed C-ross Site Tommie Tom?

      Again, Science proves Jesus' wisdom to be truth.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I have. I give blood on a regular basis, fake HS. Do you?

      December 3, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • Really?

      "Science proves Jesus' wisdom to be truth."

      It has not, it's shown the complete opposite only people like you try to twist the concepts of today into what was written 2000 years ago. It's hysterical watching you make excuses for the reality of your god does not exist.

      December 5, 2011 at 11:27 am |
  13. GSA

    @Shadowflash1522 – good point, you actually got @HeavenSent to not reply to your post, touche!
    @HeavenSent – I wasn't joking at all, I meant everything that I said. Maybe you are right about me not being the sharpest knife in the drawer, I was never smart enough to blindly follow what was written in a book just because others told me to. Amen to you, say hi to Mrs. HeavenSent for me will you.

    December 1, 2011 at 5:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      GSA, I just came back on-line. I don't sit on this site 24/7, therefore, I haven't read any said responses yet. However, if you keep your focus on your rantings on the gay issue, you'll keep missing important information that needs everyone's attention. I wrote this before and I'll write it again, I'm not on this site because of the gay issue. Hence, I'm not blogging to bash gays. If someone ask me about scriptures pertaining to gays, I know them and will/have post(ed) them. Not that He adds wisdom for you to use, I already know how His truth is scoffed by you. Your loss.

      Amen.

      December 1, 2011 at 5:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      GSA, I read Shadowflash's post if you believe it needs responding, you seriously have issues.

      Amen.

      December 1, 2011 at 6:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You must have the longest nose in the universe, HS.

      You claim that you made a point about an al s#x causing breakage, but you "never mentioned gay folks." What a crock of poo you are. The only reason you mentioned this particular form of inter course is BECAUSE you associate it with gays.

      What a hypocrite you are. And how stupid!

      December 1, 2011 at 7:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you babbled your baloney again with "You must have the longest nose in the universe, HS.

      You claim that you made a point about an al s#x causing breakage, but you "never mentioned gay folks." What a crock of poo you are. The only reason you mentioned this particular form of inter course is BECAUSE you associate it with gays.

      What a hypocrite you are. And how stupid!"

      Answer, not only are you a liar, you are clueless to the lies you spew. Monitoring and providing statistics on the AIDS crisis back in the 80s was an integral part of my job. I was on the front line.

      Foolish is as Tommie Tom is for knowing nothing but what pops into his big ego.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:04 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You sanctimonious twit. You were "on the front lines"? Of what? You haven't addressed the point I made. You were the one who made the connection and then attempted, just as you always do, to pretend innocence. God, you're sickening.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      By the way, Stink, why don't you explain how something "pops into a big ego"?

      Do you even have a clue what the ego is, you simple-minded windbag?

      December 2, 2011 at 7:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you keep babbling as you posted "You sanctimonious twit. You were "on the front lines"? Of what? You haven't addressed the point I made. You were the one who made the connection and then attempted, just as you always do, to pretend innocence. God, you're sickening."

      Answer: I'm not pretending anything. It's none of your business where I worked as long as we are posting on this site. If you met me in person, that would be a different story. But, since I have no intentions of ever meeting a person such as you portray on this blog, this issue is mute. You have to know that your lifestyle and your mindset are out of control. Therefore, you are a high risk agent walking zombie in this world.

      Anything else I can clarify for you, I'm sure you'll write your venom.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I got as far as "the issue is mute" before I fell on the floor laughing.

      Yeah, you were on the "front lines" all right. What a moron.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, the day you get a job is the day you can talk about doing something worthwhile for the world instead of for yourself. But, staying in your parents bedroom they provide you is your only reality.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You dingbat, my parents are both gone, but were they here, they'd have laughed themselves silly at you and your sanctimony. I've been earning a living for the past 33 years. I have my own home. Projecting again, are you?

      December 3, 2011 at 3:23 pm |
  14. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    Vir prudens non contra ventum mingit

    December 1, 2011 at 4:35 pm |
  15. hippypoet

    the only hope for mankind is found in the search of truth. notions will be the death of us!

    December 1, 2011 at 4:27 pm |
  16. DamianKnight

    This is where science and faith can mesh. By all means, if you have a religious belief, pray for healing for those afflicted with any disease, including HIV/AIDS. But that doesn't mean don't go seeking medical attention. It's not against God to seek out medical attention. It's stupid and dangerous not to.

    December 1, 2011 at 4:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Case in point: Christian Scientists.

      December 1, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
  17. GSA

    @HeavenSent – You wrote – "Here's a scientific truth for you Vestibule. Anal s$x causes more friction which breaks blood vessels. Broken blood vessels allows virus organisms due to the transference of bodily fluids between the partners to enter into the blood stream."
    Actually there is no proof for a higher rate of AIDS transmission through an-al se-x. Blood vessels tear in the va-gina as well, you do not experience this since you have a very small dic-k. Also as a hetero man myself, I find it fascinating that you as a Christian against same-se-x couples happen to know so much about an-al se-x......?
    On a side note, try the backdoor with your wifey sometime, she'll be screaming sweet Jebus all day long!

    December 1, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      GSA, writing jokes about this fact, proves that you aren't the sharpest blade in the drawer. Anal s$x does cause breakage in blood vessels.

      Amen.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:28 pm |
    • Shadowflash1522

      @HeavenSent:
      So does va-ginal se-x. If blood vessel breakage is your worry, it is safe to presume you aren't getting any then?

      December 1, 2011 at 3:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I wonder, HS, does God say that a na l s3x is a sin? I've never read anything that says so. But since you are all-knowing, I'll leave it to you to post chapter and verse proving that it is.

      December 1, 2011 at 8:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, I'll make it easy on you since Christians have posted all the scriptures pertaining to your question in past articles for about a year. These scriptures cover everyone on earth and what we are to watch out for, that includes you having to pay close attention and shelf that ego in order to do so ...

      "...the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one."

      1 John 5:19

      "...do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.... Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good."

      Romans 12:2, 9

      "Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world - the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life - is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever."

      1 John 2:15-17

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:15 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not one word of your swill provided an answer to the question I posed, so I'll assume you don't have one, you pu king f*bckwit.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      *Sigh*. When ARE you going to figure out the one "shelves" something. One does not "shelf" something. God, you're so dumb it sits on you like a second skin, HS. Really, the depth of your ignorance is appalling.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Get Real

      Yes, Tom, and I shudder to think that this is the type of person who was on the "front line" of the AIDS studies.... oh, my!

      December 2, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No kidding. Can you imagine anyone with less compassion? Less intelligence? Really, HS is the most disgusting poster I've seen here, ever.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
  18. AvdBerg

    For a better understanding of AIDS we invite you to read the article ‘Will There be a Cure for Cancer and Aids?’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed by the Word of God in Revelation 12:9.

    Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

    December 1, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Only when the big egos overseeing research STOP sabotaging other researchers to prevent them from crossing the finishing line.

      Amen.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • .....

      CULT TROLL ALERT – click the report abuse link to get rid of this TROLL. They are nothing but liars – and LYING is a SIN!

      December 1, 2011 at 3:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      ..... aka coward. Prove that statement wrong.

      Amen.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:56 pm |
    • Yo

      "..... aka coward. Prove that statement wrong."

      You just proved your poor reading skills, that reply of cult was directed at AvdBerg not you. DUH!

      December 1, 2011 at 5:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hey, Avduh, when are you going to present your qualifications? I've asked you to do so before, and you chickened out. Tell us all where and what you've studied and with whom. What degrees have you earned? What is your profession? What special qualities do you possess that you believe others don't have?

      December 1, 2011 at 7:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you hypocrite as you wrote "Hey, Avduh, when are you going to present your qualifications? I've asked you to do so before, and you chickened out. Tell us all where and what you've studied and with whom. What degrees have you earned? What is your profession? What special qualities do you possess that you believe others don't have?"

      Answer: Tommie, Tom, you're incredible arrogant with your NONE of YOUR BUSINESS Questions.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • DamianKnight

      @HS,

      I don't think there's anything wrong with asking for credentials. Why are you upset with Tom-Tom for asking for credentials from someone who claims to have "the answers"?

      December 2, 2011 at 11:25 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why's HS ALWAYS upset with me? Because the ass hole is a complete hypocrite who doesn't like being called on the dishonesty, lies, and egotism in every post it writes. That's why. HS is a third-class jerk.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I love how HS the hypocrite wags its scolding tongue at others who it thinks are asking questions that are none of their business, yet is blind to the fact that it is butting into others' s3x practices as if that's just jim-dandy.

      What a half-wit.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, again your babbling posted "I love how HS the hypocrite wags its scolding tongue at others who it thinks are asking questions that are none of their business, yet is blind to the fact that it is butting into others' s3x practices as if that's just jim-dandy.

      What a half-wit"

      Answer: If there is an health outbreak caused by high risked behaviors transmitted through the $exual act. You will be everyone's concern. Not that you will care or worry Tommie, Tom. You've proved what category you're in.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      DamianKnight and Tommie Tom. The reason I posted it in none of your business is because we are on a website that prevents us from interacting face to face. Meeting in person is an entirely different scenario. It is known that folks change handles and pretend to be whoever they want to be. Hence, making this site totally bogus.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Bwhahhahhhaaaa! Oh, for the love of Pete. "You will be everyone's concern." Why? What makes you think I engage in "high risk behavior", as you put it? Simply because I don't hate gays, atheists, and anyone else who doesn't believe what I do?

      Really, you are a hoot when you get rolling, dear. Keep it up. It's great entertainment to watch you as you try to pretend you didn't post your whining because you wanted to blame gays. You aren't fooling anyone. There isn't a soul on this blog that doesn't see you for exactly what you are.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you posted "Bwhahhahhhaaaa! Oh, for the love of Pete. "You will be everyone's concern." Why? What makes you think I engage in "high risk behavior", as you put it? Simply because I don't hate gays, atheists, and anyone else who doesn't believe what I do?

      Really, you are a hoot when you get rolling, dear. Keep it up. It's great entertainment to watch you as you try to pretend you didn't post your whining because you wanted to blame gays. You aren't fooling anyone. There isn't a soul on this blog that doesn't see you for exactly what you are."

      Answer: I never mentioned gays. You did. Many people from all walks of life are no longer with us due to this virus. I mentioned anal $ex which is in the high risk category for contacting HIV due to the friction it causes, breaking blood vessels which allow bodily fluids to be transmitted between partners. Check out the high risk categories on CDC's site. While you are at it, check out the high risk categories on R-ed C-ross site too.

      Amen.

      December 5, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
  19. Nonimus

    This is a very sad and tragic situation. Education is the only known cure for ignorance.
    Peace.

    December 1, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • rick

      Unless it is willful ignorance

      December 1, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You mean the sort of 'willful ignorance' HS displays?

      December 1, 2011 at 8:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually Tommie, Tom, your arrogance when joking about a virus that kills others while holding dear to your earthly lusty desires is a catalyst for destruction. If you deny history, it will repeat itself.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:24 am |
    • agnor irrogance

      Hey! Hold it down you too! I can't think myself hearing.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • agnor irrogance

      can't spell two, too.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What would you know about my "lust", you idiot? You wouldn't know desire or be the object of it if you were one of the last two humans on earth, you sickening shrew.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Again, you are not correct HS. To babble does NOT mean to lie and deceive; your Bible quotes don't even support that as a definition.

      Really, herbie, you're pretty terrible at pretending to be HS.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • i call BS

      I didn't see anyone joking about HIV here, HeavenSent. Why would you say that?

      December 3, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Don't expect an answer, Pet. Unless it's from Alfred/herbie, HeavenSent's sock puppet. HS ran away as usual.

      December 4, 2011 at 10:20 am |
  20. Doc Vestibule

    Let the parade of hom/ophobic rants begin!

    December 1, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Here's a scientific truth for you Vestibule. Anal s$x causes more friction which breaks blood vessels. Broken blood vessels allows virus organisms due to the transference of bodily fluids between the partners to enter into the blood stream.

      Amen.

      December 1, 2011 at 2:57 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Heaven Sent
      Here's a scientific truth for you, Sent. Anal s$x is not exclusively, nor universally practiced by gay people.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Doc Vestibule, you wrote "@Heaven Sent, Here's a scientific truth for you, Sent. Anal s$x is not exclusively, nor universally practiced by gay people."

      Answer: My point was anal s$x causes more breakage. I never mentioned gay folks. However, you writing me to argue this truth points to your focus on causing circular arguments.

      Amen.

      December 1, 2011 at 3:34 pm |
    • Carl

      Considering some of the most vehement anti-gay hysteria is being done by gays taking advantage of the "closet" to further their selfish goals, the holiday season is no doubt a time of many "hook-ups" during religious activities and thus you won't see many posts by anti-gay posters.
      In other words, the holiday season can be more peaceful with the religious hypocrites having lots of sweaty s$x in the back rooms of churches. What is a church without lots of rooms? Nudge nudge wink wink

      December 1, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @HeavenSent
      The initial posting set the parameters for discussion, which is hom.ophobia – after which you referenced sod/omy.
      It is reasonable to infer that your statement regarding ana.l s.ex is in relation to ho.mose/xuals.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:58 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Doc Vestibule, how ridiculous are you truly? You babbled ..."@HeavenSent
      The initial posting set the parameters for discussion, which is hom.ophobia – after which you referenced sod/omy.
      It is reasonable to infer that your statement regarding ana.l s.ex is in relation to ho.mose/xuals."

      Answer: Are you telling me that women in this world have never participated in anal s$x? You're a bigger fool than you let on while posting on this blog.

      I understand that you have a gay agenda on this site which blinds you to His truth as well as scientific truth.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:29 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @HeavenSent
      You're cute when you're being deliberately obtuse.

      December 2, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Doc Vestibule, writing more lies with you post of "@HeavenSent, You're cute when you're being deliberately obtuse."

      Answer: You have to be very young to believe this virus isn't deadly. To make jokes and disregard all evidence of how it made it's presence into our world back in the 80s is incredibly arrogant. If anyone goes out there and has unprotected s$x with a carrier and fluids are exchanged, you are in danger.

      Amen.

      December 2, 2011 at 1:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Heaven Sent needs a thesaurus, obviously. The dolt has used "babbled" in nearly every one of its dimwitted posts.

      HS must be the most boring relative in the entire Sent family tree. I'll bet none if its grandchildren ever visit unless their parents force them.

      December 2, 2011 at 6:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If you think HS is cute, you should check out its worshipper, HeIsGod. There's a real cutie patootie for you. And they're both equally stupid.

      December 2, 2011 at 7:25 pm |
    • Get Real

      Tom, I've seen @HeIsGod (aka, LadyB, LaChaparrita, etc) on the main site a lot. She's a slightly younger, Tex/Mex version of HS, and it's pretty difficult to tell which one of them is dumber.

      December 2, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yes, it is a close race, Get Real. They're both ugly, mean, and stupid.

      HS is a particular hot mess who mistakes itself for god on a continuous basis. Self-aggrandizing, hypocritical, sanctimonious twit.

      December 2, 2011 at 11:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you keep on babbling as you post allowing your frustration to boil over "Yes, it is a close race, Get Real. They're both ugly, mean, and stupid.

      HS is a particular hot mess who mistakes itself for god on a continuous basis. Self-aggrandizing, hypocritical, sanctimonious twit."

      Answer: I already figured out you hate Jesus Christ and any of us that follow Him. My answer to your anger and frustrations (that you own by the way) is too bad for you that your lifestyle makes you so cranky and miserable. This, however, is mentioned in the Bible for those of you that continue living in the dark. Solution is to come into the Light and leave satan behind. There's always time Tommie Tom for you to start your walk with Jesus.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:53 pm |
    • Get Real

      HeavenSent,

      Ah, I see... on you, it's "salty", but on anyone else it is "cranky and miserable" - what a crock.

      December 3, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Get Real, you posteed "HeavenSent, Ah, I see... on you, it's "salty", but on anyone else it is "cranky and miserable" – what a crock."

      Answer: To be salty with Jesus' truth is to not waiver on what He's written to stroke man's (meaning women too) ego because the person can't handle truth. As far as Tommie Tom's bad behavior. He owns it.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, another one of your posts "Heaven Sent needs a thesaurus, obviously. The dolt has used "babbled" in nearly every one of its dimwitted posts.

      HS must be the most boring relative in the entire Sent family tree. I'll bet none if its grandchildren ever visit unless their parents force them."

      Answer: To babble means to lie and deceive. As far as the rest of your question. Again, my life is none of your business.
      Therefore, you can assume whatever you want about me personally. I am still going to post Jesus' truth. I know you hate Jesus and His followers. Again, too bad for you. The reason His wisdom irks you is because you know your wrong and His wisdom is truth.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I'd have anal s$x but no one wants into my fat saggy ass.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, this is why I don't take you seriously. Any time you get your nose out of joint, you post carnal nonsense under my handle as follows "HeavenSent, I'd have anal s$x but no one wants into my fat saggy ass.:"

      Answer: I'm sure you've heard this many times and continue to ignore it's intent "grow up".

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I haven't ever posted under your handle, you muttonhead. What you haven't figured out yet is that there are MANY posters here who have the same opinion of you as I do.

      And learn how to use apostrophes, dum my. "It's" is a contraction for "it is". "You're" is a contraction for "you are". "Your" is a possessive.

      That's why I don't take you seriously, dear. Because you're dumber than a 3rd grader and can't figure out that what people hate isn't your belief but the sh *tty way you behave toward everyone who isn't the "right kind" of Christian.

      Blow me.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HS yaps: " To babble means to lie or deceive."

      No, it doesn't. As usual, you are making up your own "facts", otherwise know as lies, falsehoods, or misinformation. Get a dictionary, you old bat.

      bab·ble (bbl)
      v. bab·bled, bab·bling, bab·bles
      v.intr.
      1. To utter a meaningless confusion of words or sounds: Babies babble before they can talk.
      2. To talk foolishly or idly; chatter: "In 1977 [he] was thought of as crazy because he was babbling about supply side" (Newt Gingrich).
      3. To make a continuous low, murmuring sound, as flowing water.
      v.tr.
      1. To utter rapidly and indistinctly.
      2. To blurt out impulsively; disclose without careful consideration.
      n.
      1. Inarticulate or meaningless talk or sounds.
      2. Idle or foolish talk; chatter.
      3. A continuous low, murmuring sound, as of flowing water.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It is so amusing to watch HS and Georgie spin themselves into a tizzy, imagining they know anything about the people who post on this board. George thinks he can tell that I'm "immoral", but can't begin to answer the question as to what morality he means, or what consti tutes moral behavior. Yet he can tell who's naughty and who's nice by reading words on a blog.

      HS is convinced everyone who doesn't agree with it is posting under its handle and saying mean things because they "hate Jesus" or "hate his followers". It can't seem to figure out that the truth for many is that they just can't stand HS.

      It's a wonder either of them can tie their own shoes.

      December 3, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, I chose to believe Jesus' truth as follows:

      1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

      2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane [and] vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 4:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Heaven sent us tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes and other natural disasters that have killed many, many innocent victims, plus cancers, typhoid, malaria, lupus and many other diseases that have caused horrible suffering and death.

      Wow, god is quite a mean and evil bast-ard, that's for sure.

      December 3, 2011 at 4:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      How convenient Tommie, Tom the phony heavensent's post blocked my post to you. That's ok, your lies will never hold water to His truth.

      Signing off now.

      Amen.

      December 3, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Does it hurt to be lame, herbie?

      December 3, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • Pet Sounds

      HS, I don't understand the format of your responses. Someone makes a statement, not a question, and you propose an answer? Color me confused.

      December 3, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
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