Conflict, theology and history make Muslims more religious than others, experts say
A recent global survey suggests that Muslims are more religious than Christians and Hindus.
December 3rd, 2011
10:00 PM ET

Conflict, theology and history make Muslims more religious than others, experts say

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Every religion has its true believers and its doubters, its pious and its pragmatists, but new evidence suggests that Muslims tend to be more committed to their faith than other believers.

Muslims are much more likely than Christians and Hindus to say that their own faith is the only true path to paradise, according to a recent global survey, and they are more inclined to say their religion is an important part of their daily lives.

Muslims also have a much greater tendency to say their religion motivates them to do good works, said the survey, released over the summer by Ipsos-Mori, a British research company that polls around the world.

Islam is the world's second-largest religion - behind Christianity and ahead of Hinduism, the third largest. With some 1.5 billion followers and rising, Islam's influence may be growing even faster than its numbers as the Arab Spring topples long-reigning secular rulers and opens the way to religiously inspired political parties.

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But while there's no doubt about the importance of Islam, experts have different theories about why Muslims appear to be more religious than members of other global faiths - and contrasting views on whether to fear the depth of Muslims' commitment to their faith.

One explanation lies in current affairs, says Azyumardi Azra, an expert on Islam in Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim majority country.

Many Muslims increasingly define themselves in contrast with what they see as the Christian West, says Azra, the director of the graduate school at the State Islamic University in Jakarta.

"When they confront the West that they perceive or misperceive as morally in decline, many Muslims feel that Islam is the best way of life. Islam for them is the only salvation," he says.

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That feeling has become stronger since the September 11 attacks, as many Muslims believe there is a "growing conflict between Islam and the so-called West," he says.

"Unfortunately this growing attachment to Islam among Muslims in general has been used and abused by literal-minded Muslims and the jihadists for their own purposes," he says.

But other experts say that deep religious commitment doesn't necessarily lead to violence.

"Being more religious doesn't necessarily mean that they will become suicide bombers," says Ed Husain, a former radical Islamist who is now a Middle East expert at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

In fact, Husain argues that religious upbringing "could be an antidote" to radicalism.

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The people most likely to become Islamist radicals, he says, are those who were raised without a religious education and came to Islam later, as "born-agains."

Muslims raised with a grounding in their religion are better able to resist the distortions of Islam peddled by recruiters to radical causes, some experts like Husain argue, making them less likely to turn to violence.

But he agrees that Muslims are strongly attached to their faith, and says the reason lies in the religion itself.

"Muslims have this mindset that we alone possess the final truth," Husain says.

Muslims believe "Jews and Christians went before us and Mohammed was the last prophet," says Husain, whose book "The Islamist" chronicles his experiences with radicals. "Our prophet aimed to nullify the message of the previous prophets."

The depth of the Muslim commitment to Islam is not only a matter of theology and current events, but of education and history, as well, other experts say.

"Where religion is linked into the state institutions, where religion is deeply ingrained from childhood, you are getting this feeling that 'My way is the only way,'" says Fiyaz Mughal, the director of Faith Matters, a conflict-resolution organization in London.

The Ipsos-Mori survey results included two countries with a strong link between religion and the state: Legally Muslim Saudi Arabia, which calls itself the guardian of Islam's two holiest sites, Mecca and Medina; and Indonesia, home of the world's largest Muslim population.

The third majority Muslim country in the study is Turkey, which has a very different relationship with religion. It was founded after World War I as a legally secular country. But despite generations of trying to separate mosque and state, Turkey is now governed by an Islam-inspired party, the AKP.

Turkey's experience shows how difficult it can be to untangle government and religion in Muslim majority countries and helps explain the Muslim commitment to their religion, says Azyumardi Azra, the Indonesia expert.

He notes that there has been no "Enlightenment" in Islam as there was in Europe in the 17th and 18th centuries, weakening the link between church and state in many Christian countries.

"Muslim communities have never experienced intense secularization that took place in Europe and the West in general," says Azra. "So Islam is still adhered to very strongly."

But it's not only the link between mosque and state in many Muslim majority countries that ties followers to their faith, says professor Akbar Ahmed, a former Pakistani diplomat who has written a book about Islam around the world.

Like Christians who wear "What Would Jesus Do?" bracelets, many Muslims feel a deep personal connection to the founder of their faith, the prophet Muhammad, he says.

Muhammad isn't simply a historical figure to them, but rather a personal inspiration to hundreds of millions of people around the world today.

"When a Muslim is fasting or is asked to give charity or behave in a certain way, he is constantly reminded of the example set by the prophet many centuries ago," argues Ahmed, the author of "Journey Into Islam: The Crisis of Globalization."

His book is based on interviews with Muslims around the world, and one thing he found wherever he traveled was admiration for Muhammad.

"One of the questions was, 'Who is your role model?' From Morocco to Indonesia, it was the prophet, the prophet, the prophet," says Ahmed, the Ibn Khaldun Chair of Islamic Studies at American University in Washington.

But while Ahmed sees similar patterns across the Islamic world, Ed Husain, the former radical, said it was important to understand its diversity, as well.

"There is no monolithic religiosity - Muslims in Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are following different versions of Islam," says Husain. "All we're seeing (in the survey) is an adherence to a faith."

Political scientist Farid Senzai, director of research at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in Washington, raised questions about the survey's findings.

"Look at the countries that are surveyed - Saudi Arabia, Indonesia and Turkey," he says. "There are about 300 million Muslims in those three countries, (who make up) about 20% of Muslims globally."

Islam is "incredibly important" in Saudi Arabia, he says.

"But in Tunisia or Morocco you could have had a different result. It would have been nice if they had picked a few more Arab countries and had a bit more diversity," says Senzai.

The pollster, Ipsos-Mori, does monthly surveys in 24 countries, three of which are majority Muslim – Turkey, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. The other countries range from India to the United States, and Mexico to South Korea, and are the same each month, regardless of the subject the pollsters are investigating.

In the survey released in July, about six in 10 Muslims in the survey said their religion was the only way to salvation, while only a quarter of Hindus and two out of 10 Christians made that claim about their own faiths.

More than nine out of 10 Muslims said their faith was important in their lives, while the figure was 86% for Hindus and 66% for Christians.

Ipsos-Mori surveyed 18,473 adults via an online panel in April and released the findings in July. Results were weighted to make the results as representative as possible, but the pollster cautioned that because the survey was conducted online, it was harder to get representative results in poorer countries where internet access is not widespread.

CNN polling director Keating Holland also warns that in an "opt-in" survey, where respondents actively choose to participate, results tend to come from "people who are confident in their opinions and express them openly... not good for intensely private matters like faith or income or sex."

Online surveys in countries that are not entirely free are also open to the possibility that pollsters get "the approved response" in those nations, "where the people who are most likely to be willing to talk about such matters are the ones who hold, or at least verbalize, opinions that won't get them in trouble if they are expressed," Holland says.

That may have been an issue in Saudi Arabia, where respondents were given the choice of not answering questions on religion due to their potential sensitivity in the kingdom. The Saudi sample was the smallest, with 354 participants, meaning "findings for Saudi Arabia must be treated with caution," Ipsos-Mori said.

About 1,000 people participated in most countries, but sample sizes were smaller in the three majority Muslim countries and in eight other countries.

The survey participants did not reflect the true percentage of Christians and Muslims in the world. Christians were over-represented – as were people who said they had no religion – and Muslims were under-represented.

Nearly half the respondents identified themselves as Christian. Eleven percent were Muslim, 4% were Buddhist, 3% were Hindu and 3% were "other." A quarter said they had no religion and 6% refused to say.

Fiyaz Mughal, the interfaith expert, argues that even though the countries surveyed might not be representative of the entire Muslim world, the findings about Muslims rang broadly true. Muslims in different countries were committed to their faith for different reasons, he says.

"Saudi Arabia is an institutionally religious state. Indonesia has religion tied into its culture," says Mughal.

But Muslim immigrants to Europe also show strong ties to their religion, either as a defense mechanism in the face of a perceived threat, or because of an effort to cling to identity, he contends.

He detects a link between insular communities and commitment to faith regardless of what religion is involved. It is prevalent in Muslim Saudi Arabia, but he has seen it among Israeli Jews as well, he says.

"The Israeli Jewish perspective is that (the dispute with the Palestinians) is a conflict of land and religion which are integrally linked," Mughal says.

"What does play a role in that scenario is a sense of isolationism and seclusion in Israeli Jewish religious communities, a growing trend to say, 'Our way is the only way,'" he says.

Religious leaders of all faiths need to combat those kinds of attitudes because of the greater diversity people encounter in the world today, he argues.

They have a responsibility to teach their congregations "that if they are following a religion, it is not as brutal or exclusive as possible," Mughal says. "Things are changing. The world is a different place from what it was even 20 years ago."

Politicians, too, "need to take these issues quite seriously," he says.

"In the Middle East there are countries - the Saudi Arabias - where you need to be saying that diversity, while it may not be a part of the country, is something they have to deal with when moving in a globalized area," he says.

But Senzai, the political scientist, says that it's also important for the West to take the Muslim world on its own terms.

"Many Muslims want religion to play a role in politics," he says. "To assume that everyone around the world wants to be like the West - that they want liberal secular democracy - is an absurd idea."

- CNN's Nima Elbagir and Atika Shubert contributed to this report.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: 9/11 • Islam • Middle East

soundoff (5,459 Responses)
  1. Carlin123

    More religious = More dangerous.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
  2. Watcher

    I can answer that headline. They are more religious because they willed be killed if they are not religious. Why all the words in this article. Pretty simple really, islam is a murderous religion imo.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
  3. Pekovianii

    Poor hawaiiduude. Say, what's that word the Brits have for you? Bundle of twigs, or a cigarette...?

    December 4, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
  4. viranka

    if they are more religious it is because they have been brain washed from day one and then become unable to think logically later in life because they are praying not to Allah , but their false deity (the prophet)!!

    December 4, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      you are ignorantly offending arab christians who call God Allah

      December 4, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • tootmonkey

      I was just going to post that they do a better job at brainwashing. LOL.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
  5. hawaiiduude

    Right now, across the globe, born-again, fundamentalist, bible-believing, evangelical Christians are being led down a path to destruction through a Satanically calculated deception, the roots of which were cultivated in ages past set forth for the final conflict between good and evil on earth. They haven't a clue they are deceived, in fact, they have filled themselves with the cancer of religious pride so as to become perfectly deluded, thinking themselves the correctors of the foolish and those in error. While wrapped up in useless controversies over denominational dogma or mesmerized by modern Christian media with 'end-times' speculations such as 'The Rapture,' a far more sinister undertow of self-imposed blindness drags the Church closer and closer toward the 'great falling away', or 'final apostasy.'

    Part and parcel to the Zionist objective by more than one faction of the religio-political movement is the establishment of a third temple in Israel,[1] to be erected on the site of the former temple (destroyed in 70 A.D) on the mount of David, presently occupied by the Islamic 'Dome of the Rock,' which enshrines what they believe to be the stone upon which Abraham was to offer up his only son Isaac as a sacrifice.

    This grand desire for a new temple in Jerusalem is shared, as well as financially and politically bolstered, by tens of thousands of evangelical churches (there are actually more non-Jewish Zionists in the world than Jewish due to the overwhelming number of pro-Israel Christians). Repeated attempts by various parties to lay a foundation stone and claim to the holy site since the 60s has always met with extreme opposition by both Islamic and secular Israeli factions, sometimes resulting in riots and bloodshed. The elusive 'third temple' appears to be just beyond the grasp, held at bay by remarkable forces, both seen and unseen. The question is, who is more frustrated... those who presume themselves to be laborers for Christ, or those who are of the occult guild of Antichrist?

    December 4, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • tootmonkey

      Dude, switch to decaf.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:27 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the those interested in a religious update:------------>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      December 4, 2011 at 12:29 pm |
  6. Pekovianii

    hawaiiduude, if you don't stop gulping-down camel-sized tool, how are you going to see psychoanalytic progress?

    December 4, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      you lack intelligent responses only ridicule


      December 4, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
  7. person

    Economics and education should both be discussed as factors in this.

    And to the Christians denouncing Islam: Islam is ridiculous in that it makes unreasonable claims without a shred of evidence. It looks to an old book of myths as the divine truth. It is intellectually dishonest, and often impedes the progress of science and critical thought. At its worst and most extreme, it causes horrible bloodshed. ALL OF THESE STATEMENTS ARE ALSO TRUE OF CHRISTIANITY.

    Get off your high horse, and think outside the box of your mythology.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
  8. Hamburg

    They are more religious? It's because if they don't worship they will be killed...

    it's not about Faith it's about self preservation.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  9. mankind99

    If the actions of Muslims are caused by them being "more religious" than others than their religion is truly one of intolerance, violence, and hatred of anything even resembling a lovign God. If this is the example, then please make the world athiest.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  10. Thinker not Hater

    Unbelievable that this article is sprouting so much Jewish hatred being posted. Ridiculous. Why are you afraid of a people who are numerically so insignificant compared to the number of Muslims in the world? Do you give us that much power to hurt you? With no verifiable facts to back it up.
    Fact: Radical Muslims want to kill anyone who won't adopt to the Muslim way of life, i.e. Christians and Jews.
    Fact: All religions or lack of religion is accepted in Israel.
    Fact: Muslims have been living in this country peacfully for years.
    Fact: Not all Muslims are radicals. The Muslims who are radicals want to kill us.
    Fact: Wanting them not to want to kill us oe ignoring that they want to kill us is not going to stop them.
    Fact: The radicals who want to kill us appreciate the irony of us believing that if we accept them more in our culture they will accept us. Is the irony of September 11th (911) lost on you?
    Fact: Noone wants to believe that their neighbor is a terrorist. They also don't want to believe that they are a serial killer, a pedophile, a con artist, or any other type of criminal. Not wanting to believe doesn't change the facts that they are who they are. With or without witnesses. Wiht or without evidnece. Ever been a victim of a crime when there werent' any witnesses? Make you feel any less violated or victimized? Just more angry that you can't prove their gulit in court.
    Fact: Because they are assuming a posture of praying doesn't qualify what is in their heart and mind.
    Fact: Anyone who believes in Islam doesn't want or need to kill anone else who doesn't believe as they do.
    Fact: Radical Christains and Jews don't kill other people who will not convert. (The Crusades proved it didn't work for Christians. Neither did Hitler's program of annihilation.)
    Fact: People who are Muslims are as afraid of the radical Muslims as the rest of us are.
    Question: If the people weren't threatened with death for not being Muslim, how many wouldn't be Muslim? Unfortunately we will never know the answer to that one now will we?
    What this article espuses are opinions. Quanitty does not equal quality. Billions of Muslims in existance doesn't equal the rightness of their religious beliefs nor their quality.
    The article contradicts itself and casts doubs on the header. Everyone knows that statistics can be manipulated by who is and isn't polled, the demographics of those polled, the gender and other indicators. Don't expect people not to question. We are Americans after all, not subjugated people in a Muslim country.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:22 pm |
  11. us1776

    Mohammed was a child-molesting creep.


    December 4, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  12. BS

    CNN: enough is enough when it comes to glorifying Islam. What's next, an article about expert research showing that Muslims walk on water and don't go to the bathroom like the rest of us? It's ridiculous articles such as this that have reduced the prestige of Americna journalism. You and most of the media simply degrade your profession and insult the intellect of the American public by producing puff pieces on your causes celebre rather than simply reporting the cold hard facts about what's happening in the world. I'm begining to think that Ted Turner, among others, is a closet Muslim. How else can one explain numerous articles such as this on your Web site?

    December 4, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  13. eastwood1379@gmail.com

    Because the proof is in Quran and Sunna brothers and sisters. The Quran is unique and if you take a few minutes you will see that is the literal speech of God as the Quran states. The Bible and other religious scriptures have no basis and although the Quran confirms some of the stuff in Bible and Torah, most of the other content within them is fabricated by man.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
  14. Pekovianii

    The best religion is the one that interferes least.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      except racist israelis...

      December 4, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
  15. hawaiiduude


    December 4, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
  16. J Stewart

    I am not against any religion, however it cannot be ignored that the world today faces a problem from Islamic fundamentalism. The Islamic protagonists are clamoring for the establishment of the caliphate and they are the open voice of the Islamic community. Yes, there are a significant portion of Muslims who just want to go about their daily business. Yes, the Bible and the Old Testament have some really inflammatory language. Yes, the Christians have persecuted the globe before. Well, today Christians are not blood thirsty people. And we need to move on. What our ancestors did to each other is irrelevant today. What is happening today is much more relevant. Just because the Christians were murderous and barbaric in the 12th Century does not mean the Islamic militants also have a right to that passage. And just because the Christian ancestors were on a murderous rampage does not mean, today or in the future they have to suffer.

    The Islamic culture is a repressive one. The only reason why someone is "drawn" towards the Islamic mysticism is because of the subconscious desire to flirt with the dangerous. People who are born into the culture of course have no choice. They are born and indoctrinated from childhood.

    I am neither a Christian, Muslim or of the Jewish faith. Whether someone likes it or not, the Western culture is superior – however, we also need to realize that we are on a dangerous precipice – because the ideals that got the Western culture to a global dominance (for the right reasons), are also being exploited to undermine them.

    Comparison between the Western Culture and the Islamic culture is a no-contest.

    CNN needs to stop portraying the Islamic culture as somehow more superior just because they blindly follow some repressive practices. I wonder whether the author of the article has pondered converting to Islam, because obviously he seems to be mesmerized by the enigma. I bet you he/she dares not.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:16 pm |
    • Elizabeth Jaime

      I can name a bunch of blood-thirsty christians and catholic.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Mary Kesh

      CNN is actually partly owned by a Saudi "prince", so don't be too surprised at this ridiculous article.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Elizabeth Jaime

      I can name a bunch of blood-thirsty christians and catholics.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      cnn is controlled by zionists

      December 4, 2011 at 12:20 pm |
  17. Tony

    Matthew 7:15
    Just a little "keep it in perspective" from one of the many times the Bible warns of false prophets.
    Reminds me of the jokers who are running that abysmal place called Iran.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • Reality

      Matt 7: 15 has been reviewed by many contemporary NT scholars. Many of these scholars have concluded that said passage is historically nil because it appears no where else in scripture (i.e. a single attestation) and was added at a late date.

      e.g. http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=401_In_Sheeps_Clothing (remove the hyphen in ti-tle if you want to access the web site. The hyphen was added to defeat the hidden word/fragment filter used by the moderators)

      See also Professor Gerd Ludemann's conclusions in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 152-153.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:25 pm |

      Deuteronomy 18:18-19 (Not Jesus (Peace be upon him)
      John 16:7-14 (Not Holy Ghost, it was already present. Who is this Comforter?)

      December 4, 2011 at 12:50 pm |
  18. Pekovianii

    hawaiiduude was elected to be in charge of his bedouin tribe. Here's how they vote: They start with an egg shoved up a fish, fish shoved up a chicken, chicken shoved up a sheep's carcass, sheep shoved up a whole camel. Then the candidate screams and struggles but he's brought in to take part in the gruesome finale. If he lives, he's the new leader.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:14 pm |
    • J Stewart

      Is that a new thanksgiving dish like the Tur-duck-en. If so how would you name it, because only you can remember the order of what is in what. Please give it a name.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:18 pm |
    • Pekovianii

      It's a traditional bedouin wedding feast, yes like turducken, only with more honor killings.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • hawaiiduude

      typical jew crying out in in pain as they strike you...

      December 4, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
  19. palintwit

    Once when I was vacationing in the Middle East I saw a muslim by the side of the road with his arm all the way up a camel's butt. " Car trouble ? " I asked. Badda-boom !! Badda-bing !!

    December 4, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
  20. edouard

    There are many different factions within Islam that purport to be the true version and would oppress other versions of Islam. Islam canibalizes itself. Sunni's, Shia's, Wahabis, Salafists, Kurds, Ahmedis ect. readily and freely destroy the other. The word Islam itself means 'submission'. It is the only religion that sanctions violence on unbelievers and infidels. Islam is extremely close minded and is endemically misogynist and backwards in culture and learning. Islam ultimately will consume itself entirely. Islam delenda est.

    December 4, 2011 at 12:13 pm |
    • fredd

      You forgot Sufis and the Jihad is usually an inner struggle the radicalists thought it was an outer one

      December 4, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
    • Ituri

      There are many different factions within Christianity that purport to be the true version and would oppress other versions of Christianity. Christianity canibalizes itself. Mormons, Prodestants, Catholics, Fundamentalists, Jewish, ect. readily and freely destroy the other. The word Christianity itself means 'submission'. It is the only religion that sanctions violence on unbelievers and heathens. Christianity is extremely close minded and is endemically misogynist and backwards in culture and learning. Christianity ultimately will consume itself entirely. Christianity delenda est.

      December 4, 2011 at 12:25 pm |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.