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Study: Some atheists with children attend religious services
December 7th, 2011
06:00 AM ET

Study: Some atheists with children attend religious services

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – Nearly one in five atheist scientists with children involve their families with religious institutions, even if they personally do not agree with the institutions teachings, a recent study says.

The study, conducted by Rice University and the University at Buffalo, found that these scientists affiliate with churches for both social and personal reasons. Additionally, the scientists indicated a strong desire to prepare their children to make educated decisions about their personal religious preference.

“This was so surprising to us just because of all of the public discussion about the ways in which scientists are very against religions people,” said Elaine Howard Ecklund, a sociologist at Rice. “When in fact, those we might most expect to be against religious people are sitting alongside them.”

Study participants also indicated they were involved in a religious institution because of the religious preferences of a spouse or partner.

One of the most interesting findings, according to Ecklund, was that some atheist scientists want to expose their children to religion due to scientific reasoning.

"We thought that these individuals might be less inclined to introduce their children to religious traditions, but we found the exact opposite to be true," Ecklund said. "They want their children to have choices, and it is more consistent with their science identity to expose their children to all sources of knowledge."

Ecklund said there were cases in which survey respondents identified that not only did they introduce their children to one church, but they also attended other religious services in the hope that the children would better understand each denomination.

"I think that understanding how nonreligious scientists utilize religion in family life demonstrates the important function they have in the U.S.," Ecklund said.

Sociologist Kristen Schultz Lee of University of Buffalo co-authored the study, which can be found in the December issue of the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion.

The data was pulled from a survey of 2,198 tenured or tenure-track faculty at 21 U.S. research universities. Around half of survey respondents identified a form of religious identity, while the other half did not.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Church • Culture & Science

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  1. intown

    Faith is a relation between your soul and the Creator. It’s a God feeling. Even though unspeakable, Atheists believe the existence of God and try to submit themselves during the dying time. A person could be forgiven as long as s/he doesn’t associate Almighty God with something.

    December 7, 2011 at 9:43 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Atheists do not accept god before death. Although Christian propaganda is spread about that. I wonder why? Personally I want to spit on a priest before I die. Just to be sure.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      How can an atheist call on god when an atheist, by definition, doesn't believe in a god? Your post makes no sense.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      The same way Christianity is correct and the earth is flat. Jesus buried dem doggonit Dino bones!!!! Barney Rubble was a Christian!

      December 7, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
    • Snow

      @intown.. your post is a classic example of "You believe what you want to believe.. no matter how farfetched it might be".

      December 7, 2011 at 10:32 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      I thought that was the definition of Christianity. I mean we know the earth goes around the sun and it's not flat. Yet no matter how many eyes they remove with hot pokers they still believe.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:41 pm |
    • Sam YazaH

      soo,.. Because I pray to the sun goddess Amaterasu there is no forgiveness for me. Because last time I check I can see my God, it hurts but I can see her. So she is something. Why can I only pray to an abstract? What about my wiccan wife she prays to the earth,.. she can’t be forgiven? You know what I think I will take hell fire.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:51 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      It's not even enough to be christian. They are all full of hate. The mormons go to hell, the catholics go to hell, the evangelicals go to hell., the episcopalians go to hell. They are like our own little Militant (terrorist) Christians.

      December 7, 2011 at 11:03 pm |
  2. Answer

    All you christians have this simple set of conclusions – shut that atheist up.

    Your goal to make us compliant and not argue with you. Ah well times have changed. Get used to it.

    December 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • Answer

      @StAtheistics

      "Bring out another million other christians"

      @ Answer

      Did you say Christian? You should have said BILLIONS, when referring on something, learn to address it properly.

      So when you speak about atheists, use HANDFUL.

      -

      The true christian that you are StAtheistics. Just looking at the words you have capitalized "handful".
      In your heart we do not matter. That is what we are to you and every insignificant religious person who we despise because to you – those you inherently hate have to respect your kind. Not the other way around.

      You want to be better. Your words definitely do not do your other "nice and truely respectful brethens" any justice. You should just accept the fact tha what I am showing you is your true heart. You maggot! You want to hate, I can show you what you are to all your other christian to expose you.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      I find all the pro religious comments hilarious. They haven't made one point that hasn't been shot down with science and logic and the arguments that they make are a good example of illiteracy among Christians. I don't know if they just don't understand English or they are playing dumb.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
    • Ouch!

      @Answer....Truth hurts, but it's the truth still.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      @GodofLunaticsCreation

      How about your comment saying:

      "Actually atheism is booming around the world and Christianity is still second to Islam."

      Do you have any reliabe and testable demographic evidence to back it up? OR, it was just out of your utter ignorance and lies?

      December 7, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      How TYPICAL! (Go grab a gun and shot your useless cranium point blank)

      December 7, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Islam is the largest growing religion and it's followers actually follow their bible. Im sure you think you are a christian. One hundred years ago you would be burned as a satanist By the way, Im baptized. I guess Im a christian according to the demographics. So if you accept that study you must accept that I am a christian.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:13 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      He called me typical again, my one weakness... aaaaaaarrrrrgg im melting....what a world!

      December 7, 2011 at 10:14 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      And fianlly, Wikepedia calls your study into question. "The demographics of atheism are difficult to quantify. Different people interpret "atheist" and related terms differently, and it can be hard to draw boundaries between atheism, non-religious beliefs, and non-theistic religious and spiritual beliefs. Furthermore, atheists may not report themselves as such, to prevent suffering from social stigma, discrimination, and persecution in some countries.[1]"

      December 7, 2011 at 10:20 pm |
    • StAtheistics

      @GOLC..

      Why not present some figures or trend of figures attached with the reliable site or any source you got it from? Instead of repeatedly making unsubstantiated claim over and over again.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:24 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      The proof was on CNN yesterday. Why don't you google it. Im not here to prove anything. You might as well argue against the tooth fairy. Im here to rattle your zoo cage. Im sure you are capable of googling though. Just touch the screen and pray for results.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      By the way I posted proof for my claims. Quoted from Wikepedia like you.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:30 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Quotations signify that something is being quoted. Just so you know.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      Wikipedia?!!! Was that for laughs?

      I said "reliable" and "testable" demographic evidence and all you can give is Wikipedia? just to PARTIALLY support your claim?

      You've been yammering about scientific blah! blah! and Ohh, Pleaassse! You're such a disgrace to your kind.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
    • StAtheistics

      @GOLC

      Oh yeah..right, Wikipedia and: "The demographics of atheism are difficult to quantify." LOL!

      Why it's difficult? Are they inside a CLOSED FIST?

      December 7, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      I posted my proof on the next page. How typical. LOL

      December 7, 2011 at 10:59 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      No the closed fist is what your priests insert into choir boys. : )

      December 7, 2011 at 11:01 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      You want to know why they are difficult to quantify. Because of human waste like you. Your equivalent is the Taliban. Go tell them you are a christian and you will find out why it's hard to quantify.

      December 7, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      They are hard to quantify because they are only handful of them and if it's closed into a fist, they will just squirt like a loose yellowishsh!t

      December 9, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
  3. Jon

    Yep. Its the religious people who are usually insecure about their faith and feel the need to surround themselves with people who agree with them. Those whose beliefs are based on their own honest experiences and conclusions without pressure are more free in their social associations.

    December 7, 2011 at 8:13 pm |
    • Betty Wooster

      Exactly. For example, i care as little about what number of other people believe "the same" way as i do as i do about how many are christians, etc. I will confess, however, that its too bad that its still uncomfortable to be publicly atheistic in the US.

      December 7, 2011 at 11:56 pm |
  4. Answer

    @Not really

    Sure I've met religious people who are Narcissistic, lots actually.. But GoLCs brand of atheism rampant in these posts reeks of it. And GoLC, please point me to my lie and my reference to being Christian.

    >>You're embarassing yourself and intelligent atheists who wish your brand would stop trolling forums and obliterating intelligent conversation. <<

    You know Not Really .. just seeing that last line of yours really dictates a lot about your common sense and your take on what is "intelligent". You're being overly assertive of yourself and putting others down for which you have no proof yourself.

    Have you fundamentally done a thesis on the statemetnt of trolls and obliterating conversations? Have you analysed your own true self and egotistical view yet? I'm just wondering what level of intelligent conversation you were expecting from this public forum vs the trolls you want to squash. Highly intelligent people find it boring to waste time because it is a stimulant to talk with individual like minds to engage others with. You surely are looking for an engaging mind herein.

    I'm doing an analyses on you basically. Telling you that this forum is not at all at what you are hoping to stimulate your mind.

    December 7, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Oh ya Im so full of myself. I actually forced every school to pray to me and bejewel a statue of me to be displayed in all the courthouses of America.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:43 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Your lie is that most atheists are narcissistic. Please show me the study which proves it.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Still waiting. How typical. lol

      December 7, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
  5. AnnihilAtheists

    This a death wish for atheism.

    December 7, 2011 at 7:50 pm |
    • Snow

      Ah the spread of love.. your god must be real proud of your tolerance of people who disagree with you

      December 7, 2011 at 8:01 pm |
    • meh

      Not when there is definitely no god. We can seek all the knowledge in the universe and it will never produce an idiotic psychopath with god powers. That's a good thing. And if someone falls for the brainwashing, then that's life in the fast lane for you. It's all good.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:02 pm |
  6. dudley0415

    Excellent. Some scientists truly are open-minded, though the opposite of reason or reckoning is faith, which is why I'm confused by their actions...

    December 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
    • meh

      You sound easily confused. What part of this fake study don't you get? It's a biased and fake study to make it look like there's a ton of scientists all rushing to the nearest church. Look it up. This is a bogus study even though there are some scientists who attend church. What you will never find in any study, however, is the truth of what any church-goer actually believes. Such is the nature of religion. Assertions without proof spread from person to person like a virus.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
  7. Answer

    ==full quote of two idiots

    TheyreJust TooFunny

    Seeingthe TideTurning, it's truly hilarious to see how many poor atheists are Still in Denial about the existence of God and preferring to believe that they were born out of a rock, or that a fish hatched them, or that a tree dropped them from its leaves! That is simply So Hilarious!!! LOL!!
    December 7, 2011 at 6:20 pm | |
    LunAtheicst

    @Answer

    You said:

    "Why does he have to provide proof? Let's take it on faith on what he says is truth."

    I have faith, NOT to a person (especially to an atheist and lunatic one) but with God ONLY.
    ===end quote

    The people who can never understand science, those who do not read up on evolution itself. Don't care for people like that who squander away at knowing things.

    The truth of god.. time and time again. When one person states his claim on god. What do people of faith say to an atheist who testifies to empirical evidence. You have to accept my faith that my god exists. Foolish. When you bring up a faith in god – don't. Quite simply just don't.

    December 7, 2011 at 7:24 pm |
    • dudley0415

      I have faith in God and can understand higher theoretical reasoning. Science and faith are not mutually exclusive. Some science buffs claim that science in all cases is 'right.' I find that science is quite often wrong – in September of this year CERN was said to have measured particles that traveled faster that light, putting Einstein's theory into question. Einstein's theories are the cornerstone of physics today, but they may be wretched scientific relics tomorrow. Each generation disproves the most solid truths of the previous one.

      Neither condition precludes the understanding of the other, just the belief in it. Science requires faith, too.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • Answer

      "Science requires faith, too."

      The fallacy is the attributing it to a religious faith system. All the religious clown do this spiel. When will these nutjobs ever get the right definition of the faith in just knowledge and in knowing?

      December 7, 2011 at 7:40 pm |
    • Answer

      I'll make a very precise point for all you people about faith in knowing.

      You know and have faith in the number of steps in your staircase – you've walked it up and down – ran down it and up it to have faith that it is always there. Simple. Do not get it confused ever again.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:45 pm |
    • Snow

      Science is the process of refinement. Science only absolutely says a particular thing is true when it is proven experimentally. If you remember, Einstein's work is called "Theory" of Relativity.

      Does religion say the same? No. It suggests that what is mentioned in the book is the absolute unequivocal truth that is written by god. There should be no corrections, amendments or refinements to the word of god.

      These two can never be compared apples to apples. one requires experimental proof in real world. one requires faith in fairy tales and men in sky

      December 7, 2011 at 8:08 pm |
    • Evilution was just a piece of yellowiSh!t

      @Answer

      Do you know that your Granpa was backpeddling when his fossils were heavily scrutinized? He even denounced evolution before he met his true Maker.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:10 pm |
    • Answer

      Ya I do. He died on a normal day. Telling my grandma that he wished he had more time and we were at a loss when he past away in the middle of the night in the hospital.

      So anything more you want to add? Maybe if you try harder you can be like myself 🙂

      December 7, 2011 at 8:11 pm |
    • Answer

      You know I love insulting piece of s-h-i-t religious morons. It's such joy when they can't continue take the same abuse back.

      Gotta love the internet for the level of hate from the religious.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:16 pm |
    • Facts

      Evolution isn't Science.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:18 pm |
    • It is...but (like Planet of the Apes and Star Wars) in a Sci-Fi category

      It was made up!

      December 7, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • Answer

      Yeah you can try harder boys. Bring out another million other christians to this forum and it will never change the real facts.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:22 pm |
    • Snow

      @Facts..
      and Religion is not truth!

      December 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • HypocrAtheists

      @Answer

      Atheists don't monopolize arrogance and sarcasm. Get it over with!

      December 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm |
    • Answer

      Of course you have to show how arrogant one is in comparison to them. This is the jolly sport of insults.

      I like to see how christians that will flame this one article alone before their heads explode with hate for one mere atheist against them. Keep at it boys.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:29 pm |
    • Dr. Pill

      @Answer...Want more dose of your own medicine, eh?!

      December 7, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • Answer

      Go ahead Dr Phil. You already want to. Just don't pretend you have no other choice, since you already started.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
    • Dr Fill

      Atheists-Doing a show on how you guys evolved from Au Sediba.Looking for some real life samples like you.
      My sons directed me here and said I will find plenty of you hanging around!

      December 7, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
    • Answer

      Oh is that so? You wanted to come here for the sole purpose to argue with an atheist. I see.

      So what do you have to say to this atheist?

      December 7, 2011 at 8:36 pm |
    • StAtheistics

      "Bring out another million other christians"

      @ Answer

      Did you say Christian? You should have said BILLIONS, when referring on something, learn to address it properly.

      So when you speak about atheists, use HANDFUL.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:44 pm |
    • Answer

      Oh was that not capitalized? Oh really was it important to offer respect?

      I'll remember to keep on doing it, just so you can see that respect is not just inherent.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:45 pm |
    • Dr Fill

      Yep! My primary purpose was to argue with an atheist, supposedly to an intelligent one but sadly end-up like arguing with a parrot, in you. Sooo disappointing!

      December 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • Answer

      Disappointment runs both ways.

      December 7, 2011 at 8:56 pm |
    • Counselor

      @answer

      You are expecting respect in exchange of your hatred, arrogance, and sarcasm. Way to go, lad!

      December 7, 2011 at 9:02 pm |
    • Answer

      Just like any forum you have tools you can use.

      Live with it. You're here to act as a daddy for some kids arguing on the net. Congrats to your fatherly heart.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:04 pm |
    • Handsome Duckling

      Yes, a dumb parrot is (mutually) disappointed when having miscommunication with intelligent person. QUACK! QUACK! QUACK!

      December 7, 2011 at 9:17 pm |
    • sTOOL BAG

      @Answer, You're a tool.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
    • fred

      Answer what can we say about God other than what God revealed to us. We get that from the Bible, observation of the creation and in prayer before a Holy God. Man can never reach up with reason or understand God unless God reveals to us as he so chooses.
      P.S. I hope your cousin hears the good news in addition to what you have provided.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:23 pm |
    • Snow

      So Fred, in your infinite wisdom, please answer me,
      why doesn't god choose to reveal himself more? why not strike down the heathens as they rival in their logic and sciences? Why create so many questions in believers' minds that they eventually reject him? whats his game with all the suffering he "gifts" on people?

      December 7, 2011 at 9:56 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      Tell me this: Would your Jesus approve af your post? Would he pat you on the head for ridiculing his father's creations? I think not...ot I would think not if I believed in a god.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:12 pm |
    • fred

      Snow

      “Why doesn't god choose to reveal himself more?”
      =>His chosen ones rejected the God who is and dwelt among His people for a King made of flesh. In the Bible we see they demanded a King like the other nations. God gave them what they wanted even though God warned them these Kings would oppress them and tax them. Before that time Adam was given everything in a perfect garden where Adam walked with God. Adam chose desire for the one thing he could not have over existence with God. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice……………
      In the last 2,000 years Christ sent the Holy Spirit that lives within the children of God. Over our lifetime we have the opportunity to be in Christ and let God work through us for His purpose. Problem is that old self keeps creeping in and it is rare to stay on track yet, the Holy Spirit keeps bringing us back on track again. Since Christ we live under grace free of guilt, sin and death. It is total freedom from the bondage of this world.
      “why not strike down the heathens as they rival in their logic and sciences?”
      =>Jesus said to let the tares and wheat grow together. Man cannot remove the tares because we do not have perfect judgment. Each of us is given enough time to prove the true nature of our souls, however long that takes. I was a heathen not that long ago so I am thankful God gave me the extra time I needed.

      ‘Why create so many questions in believers' minds that they eventually reject him?”
      =>If someone is truly saved they will not reject God forever and eventually return. True faith is all about trust in that which you cannot see or touch. Questions in a believers mind will drive you to your knees. When you lose connection with God (loss of faith and trust from questions or unanswered prayer etc.) that loss should be noticeable to the extent you long for a return to that unity.
      “whats his game with all the suffering he "gifts" on people?”
      =>Suffering only makes sense to a believer in the context of God’s love as expressed through the Bible and in your life. Most suffering in this world is the direct result of sin in your own life or the result of the sin in other people’s lives past or present. Remember life is very short and if you think about it the suffering experienced in this life is a very thin slice of time in a very short existence. God showed us what sin looks like from His perspective when man mocked, whipped and crucified His Son. Jesus personally experienced our suffering as man when he took on our sin. Jesus personally experienced separation from God on the cross. We can be confident God knows what we are going through. We can be confident God is more than capable of making things right.

      December 8, 2011 at 2:04 am |
  8. Randumb Werd Jenorator

    In this day, there is no excuse to be continuously dependent on the belief of some ancient space queen sporting a mystical white beard, or a mountain house dweller that throws a lightning bolt. Every civilization has made up its own deities. Each and every one of them have faded away with their respective ways of life. The same will happen for islam and christianity. They too, as history has shown, will fade away into mythology. People in the future will laugh hysterically at the thought of their ancestors worshiping jesus, allah or whoever. They will wonder why people of this age worshiped anything at all with the technology we have at our disposal. We already know for a fact that the bible a book full of lies, just as the koran is.

    Like I said, there's no excuse for people to keep believing in this lily white trash. None. It needs to go away. We need to start using religious texts (to include the dead sea scrolls, and I do mean the originals) as toilet paper. Flush it all down the toilet where it belongs.

    December 7, 2011 at 7:13 pm |
    • Not really

      There's also no excuse for irrational hatred of others based on their beliefs or lifestyles. Even if your assertions of the future are true, those who act as you do will also be scorned. Hatred of others and ridicule are fast becoming despised by thinking, feeling human beings.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm |
    • Answer

      @Randumb

      I didn't even read your garbage but I agree you should just not hate. Whatever your hate it'll kill ya right back.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
    • dudley0415

      The denial of intellect of those who believe differently is the oldest prejudice and shows the most ancient inability to imagine.

      The main idea of this article, I believe, is that there is a duality in the thought processes of scientists; an ability to clinically consider things that may conflict with their own ideas. I find it completely reasonable that those who consider ideas daily as a profession would be more likely to truly consider other ideas, and not find emotional reasons to dismiss them.

      Your position is politically emotional, Randumb, neither religious nor scientific, rendering it useless.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
    • Brick Einstein

      I don't see him/her hating anyone. It looks like it hates religion, and not the believers. Just goes to show that even the most "intellectual" among us can't bother themselves with reading a simple comment before replying in kind with complete irrelevance.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:53 pm |
    • Chad

      @dudley0415 "The denial of intellect of those who believe differently is the oldest prejudice and shows the most ancient inability to imagine."

      =>wow, is that ever true

      December 7, 2011 at 9:15 pm |
  9. Answer

    @Mr N

    You know the whole strife throughout time when we atheists (both in the middle and far extreme methodology) is to WIN from the "religious side" issues of contention. We have won for ourselves – in "mock word battles" – rights for tolerance to women (votes and fashion, choice) and now for the LGBT communities. Somethings are indeed worth fighting for – to cede from the religious -to make them 'give up' some of their bronze age hatreds. There is nothing wrong ridiculing them for further advances because they still want to cling on to the past. Also there is nothing wrong with being nice, but when do you stop being nice?

    December 7, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
    • Not really

      There's no necessity for ridicule. Intelligent debate should do fine. You should know that ridicule is not an acceptable tool of the intelligent.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:59 pm |
    • Answer

      You should know?

      Hmmm .. what if I do not care? That is my responsibility. When it comes down to that choice, I make with ridicule. This is the free will bit that I enjoy. You can go your way – the other way. Just overlook it. It is your right and also to criticize me. I understand perfectly of what tools I employ. Thanks.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
    • Snow

      I have to ask.. does an intelligent debate involve quoting unrelated verses out of a 2000yr old book? for every question.. till the otherside gets tired of it?

      December 7, 2011 at 7:03 pm |
    • Answer

      @Snow

      For me, I tell the truth to the faces of the religious people who do quotes. I don't read them. There are always words like Matthew, Jesus and etc. I simply state that I don't read them – and I don't. It's about 80% (my experience) at most the same set of lines all the time they use.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:06 pm |
    • Mr N.

      That's a non-sequitur. There is no connection between enlightenment, and necessary atheism. It does not follow that, in order to give up hatred and bigotry, one must decry religion or embrace atheism, or both. After all, the whole point of religion is supposed to be the search for that which is true and "good" (that doesn't mean it works well, but that's a matter of method, not of kind). You seem to think that the necessary existance of a god is nonsense. I propose that the necessary lack of a god, may be just as much nonsense, too.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
    • Answer

      Well Mr N .. you're here at the moment. What is your view that I should adopt.

      You seem to think and I presume this that you are trying to say my view should be your view. Convince me of something?
      All I can ask is what is your motive?

      December 7, 2011 at 7:11 pm |
    • Answer

      Everyone can already state for fact that neither of our views really conflict nor really are different.

      They can reason this out.. so the only thing left is motive you see.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:14 pm |
    • Not really

      You're free to use it, but it accomplishes nothing other than making the self-absorbed more self-satisfied and wounding the feelings of others. Those victories you mentioned weren't won through ridicule, but through appeals to people's reason and humanity. Use it if you want, but you'll only succeed in alienating others, stifling productive conversation and attracting the internet trolls.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:22 pm |
    • Answer

      Not really .. so you're so concerned with internet trolls. That is a lofty argument. Why do you think you can control it?

      It's not your matter. Trolls are everywhere – can you not ignore them? Are they that much of a threat to your skills to handle a convo?

      December 7, 2011 at 7:26 pm |
    • Not really

      In your fight for tolerance or reason you're becoming intolerant and unreasonable. I'm simply pointing out you could do more for your cause by discarding the sad tool that is ridicule. Like I said, do what you will, but you won't win anyone new to your causes.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:33 pm |
    • Answer

      @Not really

      In your fight for tolerance or reason you're becoming intolerant and unreasonable. I'm simply pointing out you could do more for your cause by discarding the sad tool that is ridicule. Like I said, do what you will, but you won't win anyone new to your causes.

      It's the difference in opinion only. Rightly I will do what I will do. My stance is using logic and reasoning with ridicule.
      Thanks for your input all the same.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:38 pm |
  10. DOCTOR TRAN

    I was raised in the penticostal church. While in that hellhole, I was never exposed to atheism. The church does a pretty good job of hiding the truth that the bible is empty and false. They bully you into believing through fear. Then, you're afraid of atheism. You're afraid that you'll go to hell if you even doubt the bible for a second. You're bound to your beliefs like it's a death sentence. All because of fear. For the few of us curious enough to finally start asking questions and do a little research, we find that the bible is a complete sham. It is amazingly refreshing to be able to step out of the pit of ultimate darkness (the church) and find that we can live free, without fear, without the need of an antiquated fake book of horribly written fables. Atheists tend to be exposed to religion more than believers are exposed to atheism. Atheists are more likely to be former believers that were the few fortunate people to finally figure out that religion is all a farce.

    I'm so glad I'm not stuck rotting in a church anymore, no longer praying to something that doesn't exist. I can actually enjoy life. It's great. No more fear. And no more believing in the lies of religion.

    December 7, 2011 at 6:48 pm |
    • Chad

      Very unfortunate that you grew up in what sounds like a very intolerant environment. Many Christians haven't yet learned that the Bible is 100% true, and encourages asking questions.

      Acts 17:10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. 12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:34 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      You should be more tolerant like those Christian guys who beheaded non believers.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:34 pm |
    • Q

      http://www.jhuger.com/kisshankbutt.php

      December 7, 2011 at 11:42 pm |
  11. Bad

    Come on. You want your child to have choices.. so you are willing to fill them with what you consider nonesense and expect them to choose one? WOW ... These people arnt parents that have been through it. Society teaches them... regardless of what your input is. This is without a doubt .. and without a waste of money on a study. Your child views will be the views that they are taught on the tv and by there peer groups in school/ activitys.
    A parents goal should be, weather they believe in God or not, That when asked what would your father think/mother think, on what ever issue is at hand, they answer without hesitation.
    The main thing that has made man great in these past 500 years is his ablity to pass on his knowledge. By the time your 50 or so nowdays.. and we are talking about people that seek answers here, then you have seen alot, experinced alot, and hopefully gained some understandings. Not really answers, but found some truths that are undeniable. These are the things you should try and pass on to your children.. although some meaning is lost without the journey... but you never know when a word from you helps in the future.
    Your children will be the people they want to be... not much influence will you have on them till later years. Then your beliefs will pay off i believe. But you have to be toleratant an allow your child the freedom to be themselves while you maintain who you are.
    BTW, in science there is no truths.. you always have to put in the qualifier of in this enviorment under these conditions. When a new thing comes up in the scientific world, they adopt it like its always been like that. Our foundtional knowledge is pretty restricted to our physical enviorment, so its pretty lacking in the big picture, and we only have so much data/years to work with. And the rude awaking is when you figure out the truths you have been adhearing to is really only someones opinion on the matter with the knowledge availble at that time. So in the end Science shows us the complexity of it all, but all we can do is wonder in awe.

    December 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Reality Check

      How could anyone dispute such well reasoned and thoroughly researched response?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:38 pm |
    • The Phist

      Bad, ever thought about learning basic 3rd grade English? I feel like I'm trying to decipher divine code from the blood on the floor of the aftermath of a prison shower r@pe.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
  12. Mr N.

    Good question, Snow. I think that, more and more, it happens at younger ages. I certainly was exposed to it as a freshman in college, just in time for my "rebelious teenager" phase in life. My point is that, I doubt that those who are religious haven't been exposed to atheism. I do wonder, however, just as much about the other side of the equation: How many of those that have grown up atheists been exposed to an honest representation of religion, or just agnosticism for that matter?

    It's human nature to dismiss that which we don't understand, and that cuts both ways.

    December 7, 2011 at 6:17 pm |
    • Answer

      Well what do you want to state as "an honest representation of religion, or just agnosticism for that matter?"

      This is just the tip of some point in disagreements you see. I would like your take on what is an honest take on religion.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
    • Mr N.

      Well, a "daddy in the sky," or something to that effect, as you've put it on a previous post, is certainly not a fair representation. Point is, some atheists in the study do seem to want to be as fair as religion as possible, which is something that I can't say for most of the atheists that are posting here.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Answer

      Oh I get it Mr N .. you want people to actively say that god does exist just to safe right?

      That it is okay to really just paint the picture that religion does have place in the minds of people. You see that isn't going to happen. By measures of fair representation you mean really – it is not okay to absolutely refute god when one has reach a surmountable point. I guess this ultimately leads to you rooting for the Pascal's wager topic.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
    • Mr N.

      I never brought Pascal's wager, and that's not of interest to me right now. My point is much simpler: Intellectual honesty demands that we wonder about things we don't know. Atheism is a little too rooted in the faith that there is no absolutes, just as religion is rooted a little too much in the faith that there are.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:01 pm |
    • Answer

      Well then Mr N, it seems we're about the same type of personality. What is your agenda for talking to me today?

      December 7, 2011 at 7:08 pm |
  13. hippypoet

    i agree with the artacle that science is now recognizing that god is real and that we should all be openminded when it comes to church. ive been an athiest for a while but since my daughter rynn was born ive wonder so i have been going to church and im strarting to think that maybe its possible jesus was god.

    December 7, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • That is awesome!

      That is wonderful Hippy!

      December 7, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • I'm counting on your sincerity

      That's a pretty good start. Your daughter is both a gift and blessing from God.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • Josh

      🙂 🙂

      December 7, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • minnesota thinker

      Where in the article does it state, or even suggest, that "science is now recognizing that god is real"? Talk about religious blinders...

      December 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      @hippypoet Put the bottle away before trying to read anything more complicated than Dick and Jane, okay?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:52 pm |
  14. Snow

    I wonder how many theists allow their children to even sit in a seminar given by an atheist.. That is that difference between closed minded religious nuts and atheists..

    Freedom of letting people make their own opinion having been exposed to both sides of the argument. As opposed to brainwashing their children since their birth that they are right and others wrong.. This, btw, is the basic requirement of logic and reason..

    December 7, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • Answer

      When my younger cousin recently asked me about why people need religion I told her my opinion as an atheist and explained things to her.

      This was my take: I told her to start at the very beginning in time. The main question was "do you know of anything that was "always there"?

      You just walk from this point onwards. It's very progressive and intuitive. You can guess the outcome of our conversation.
      She knows for herself now how ridiculous it is to try to comfort other people's sky daddy.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Mr N.

      I'd venture to say that in this day and age, just as many people have been exposed to the principles of atheism, as they have to religion. Well, at least I'm pretty sure that's the case with those of us that have gone to college.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • Response

      @Answer

      I see that your cousin was an open-minded person. Just a piece of advice, keep him in close guard, don't let him/her/it to attend any religious activity. Don't ever let him hear the truth.

      If you might, put him in quarantine with your lies. That is what it takes to keep or make him/her/it an atheist.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Snow

      Question is did that exposure start at home or after the student reaches college.. usually when they get out of the home..

      December 7, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • HellBent

      @Response – but only one religion could be the "true" one – so can you specify for Answer's sake exactly which religion and denomination that should be? I as.sume that the others would be ok, then, right?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:14 pm |
    • Answer

      @Response

      "If you might, put him in quarantine with your lies. That is what it takes to keep or make him/her/it an atheist."

      Your response is the acceptance of your supposed truth. What is your truth that you have to back up your claim that it is the truth? Your kind are really funny. Can you even type out what you have found out in life as truth?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:15 pm |
    • Answer

      @Response

      Why don't you now post up a webpage that you sponsor to what is "the truth"? Like AdvVerg does... and by golly I'm not going to be surprised by it.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • Mr N.

      Good question, Snow. I think that, more and more, it happens at younger ages. I certainly was exposed to it as a freshman in college, just in time for my "rebelious teenager" phase in life. My point is that, I doubt that those who are religious haven't been exposed to atheism. I do wonder, however, just as much about the other side of the equation: How many of those that have grown up atheists been exposed to an honest assesment of religion in general, or just agnosticism for that matter?

      It's human nature to dismiss that which we don't understand, and that cuts both ways.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • wait..

      @Response.. Boy you think a lot about yourself do you.. Do you honestly believe that all the athiests in the world are so because they were beaten into believing? If you ever venture to open a history book, you would learn that thats a well used tactic by religious people. Not the other way round.

      For a question like "why does a flower have a color", only fools with limited intellectual capabilities, who have a snowball's chance in a volcano to understand Genetic Engineering need to be told "God made it that way".

      December 7, 2011 at 6:18 pm |
    • Response

      @Hellbent

      All religion (it can be God of Abraham, Allah, etc.) bears God's truth.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • Mr N.

      Answer,

      How can you ask for truth? Truth is a very difficult concept to even define if there are no absolutes to peg it on. That is one of the philosophical difficulties of atheism. Don't worry, theists have their share of philosophical issues, too, but you aren't exempt by any means.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:23 pm |
    • Answer

      @Response

      @Hellbent

      All religion (it can be God of Abraham, Allah, etc.) bears God's truth.
      --

      A canned reply for – "I take my religion as truth." "I've been [name your religion] for [numbers of years] and I've stopped searching to find answers to test if my religion is the true religion because I think it is."

      Ya I've run into countless numbers of your kind. No difference – same idiots.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Hiram

      I personally have never met an Atheist Scientist. I've met many who were Agnostic. Of course, in the Fundie Cults, there's no difference in the two words. Perhaps this is why earlier Studies showed a disproportionate number of "Atheists" among trained Scientists?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:24 pm |
    • Answer

      @Mr N

      Surely I already know that fact. Did you think I didn't?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:25 pm |
    • Response

      It's God's Truth.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm |
    • HellBent

      @Response – which god? Or do you actually think that Yahweh, Vishnu, and Zeus are on in the same?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Answer

      @Response

      It's God's Truth.

      You get god to do your bidding and talk to the whole world. Now go off and do your assignment like I told you to.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:27 pm |
    • Mr N.

      Just making sure, Answer. My point is that neither an atheist nor a relious person are excempt from philosophical problems that ultimately boil down to some form of belief. At some level, we all ultimately do take some core things about our wrold view on belief.

      I don't fault those that choose to believe in any specific way, so long as it doesn't affect others around them in a negative way, and that can be say for a lot of religious people just as much as it can be say about atheists.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:33 pm |
    • Snow

      Mr. N, I agree with your argument. I can only speak from personal experience where, as a kid I was told, "We, the good guys, believe in god. The others, who are the bad guys, are atheists. Now choose". Needless to say, for about 20 yrs of my life I was quite a religious person. But, when I got the answer "Coz, God made it so! and we should not ask questions" for every other question, the journey to the other side began.

      Personally, If an atheist forces his non-belief on his child, he is no different from a religious nut. I know a number of atheists in my circle of friends who are not much bothered by the fact that their spouse or child is not atheist (my best mate included). But I also have a friend whose kid got grounded for a week because he agreed to an argument an atheist made about God!

      December 7, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
    • Answer

      Well you see Mr N .. inherently you are wanting to be nice. That sums up the whole niche of it.

      You're a nice guy. You play a nice game. That's all and good, and you're not bad for feeling that way. The main thing that people do not enforce is the level of not being nice to ignorance. You can safely bet that religion and being nice when it comes to indoctrination – when religion rears that hatred side is not going to be very relevant. This issue is of course going to lead us back to tolerance. The persuasive view is of course to tolerate this 100%. It is fact that all religions want that pure 100% to be tolerated. There is however dissent on that percentage that we have to redefine. This is your measure of tolerance which I understand. As a whole you are stating for tolerance. We differ in methodology – that is the simplest thing between us.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:40 pm |
    • Mr N.

      I never said that 100% of religion should be tolerated. In fact, there is plenty to be decried in any religion, but at least, in this respect, atheism is no different. Your average version of atheism has inconsistencies, dogmas, and irrationalities, too. That is not to say that there aren't atheists that strive to be consistent and rational, but they most certainly don't have the market on that, just like religious people don't have the market on faith.

      I am not the one making generalizations and building straw men to bludgeon the other side with. You have, and others on the religious side have as well. I am simply reminding you and the others, that there are people in either camp that do deserve that 100% tolerance, and by behaving intolerantly, you, as well as those who are intolerant on the other side of the isle, are not exactly smelling like roses right about now.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:58 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      @Mr N Put away your poor man's thinking kit and come back when you can do better than "six of one, half a dozen of the other" on every blessed issue. If you think the average atheist/agnostic upbringing is anywhere near as doctrinaire and full of implicit and explicit threat as the average evangelical or fundamentalist upbringing, you are simply another doofus dragging down what could be an intelligent discussion.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:02 pm |
    • Snow

      @Mr.N, I can see your point about tolerance from both sides. But not about the inconsistencies of atheists. Solely because atheists do not have a book of stories/rules to follow to be branded as one. Christians have their bible.. Jews, their torah.. muslims, their Qu'ran.

      But Atheist becomes one when he rejects faith based on a book. What consistency can they associate with

      December 7, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
    • Mr N.

      @johnfrichardson

      Threat? Is that what motivates you? Fear? I thought that was, at least according to a somewhat popular argument, how religious leaders control the masses? For someone that claims to have a thinking cap on, your argument is very tepid. Be careful, though. Fear does form the basis for bigotry.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:15 pm |
    • Mr N.

      Snow,

      Are the way principles expressed really what should matter, or are the principles themselves more important? I can see how you think that religion is by and large inconsistent because so many christians, at least in the US, take the bible literally. But what about those who don't? What about those who have a different text? Those who read the Torah, or the Koran, or those who are buddhist? Should the fact that some religions take their holly book literally, while others don't, be the basis for dismissing religion in general? That's kind of like saying that we dismiss the concept that, say, particular mountain exists because those artist who have painted it haven't all agreed on exactly what it looks like.

      My point is that dismising things too easily can lead to problems of consistency, too.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • Snow

      @Mr. N, Ok then when should one dismiss an argument?

      When there is no proof to back it? when any proof being offered is nothing but a possible conjecture? "Oh there is a painting – it is made by an artist. Oh there is a human, so by analogy he must be created by god"? Is that ever a sufficient proof for existence of God?

      December 7, 2011 at 8:19 pm |
  15. Seeingthe TideTurning

    It's truly wonderful how many atheists are finally coming around to accept the fact that they are not self-created after all and that there is a God! I'm very hopeful that many more will be coming around the world over to accept God through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ and become converted and then Saved. This is long overdue and this foolishness of not wanting to accept what is reality about the existence of God has simply got to come to an end. After all, it is much better to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior than have to find out the hard way what the consequences of non-action are and that's for Eternity! The Lord Welcomes All Atheists To Go To Church and Convert! Praise God!

    December 7, 2011 at 5:24 pm |
    • Lori

      I think you're misunderstanding the article...atheists are not becoming religious, they're exposing their children to religious beliefs so as to make informed choices as to whether or not to become 'Christians' or Muslims or Buddhists or anything else.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:31 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Oh man your comment was a laugh. Actually atheism is booming around the world and Christianity is still second to Islam.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:33 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Seeinthe tide, must have read this article like he reads his bible. Rejecting that he doesn't agree with and making up his own version of the truth.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
    • Answer

      @Seeingthe TideTurning

      I like people like you. I love to see people of your kind cower in fear to the threat of logic and reason.

      Making up lies and trying to distort even the very printed words that religion is failing. It's so awesome to see people put up their strongest faces of denial to prevent any conflicting assaults on their stability in society. Too good to be true.

      I wonder what these small groups of dying breeders of religion will do to prevent their mass mental meltdowns from coming to light. So wonderful to witness.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:38 pm |
    • Obama_Convert

      Your remark about the consequences of not accepting god is known as 'Pascal's Wager', and is among the most cowardly and selfish of all approaches to belief. If you believe only because of fear of a remotely possible alternative, that is not belief any more than being forced to 'believe' by the Inquisition is belief.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:39 pm |
    • Snow

      either you are a troll or you are related to fools like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann..

      December 7, 2011 at 5:44 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      @GodofLunaticsCreation

      You said:

      "Oh man your comment was a laugh. Actually atheism is booming around the world and Christianity is still second to Islam."

      Until you show us any proof to back up such claim, you are considered lying.

      You are lying just to further your political agenda, aren't you? You must be an atheist, a TYPICAL one.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:57 pm |
    • Answer

      "Until you show us any proof to back up such claim, you are considered lying. "

      Why does he have to provide proof? Let's take it on faith on what he says is truth. It is afterall the main dogma and tenant that whatever religion says is truth. That the bible is truth. So any religious con man can point to a bible and assert his truth.

      Why are you asking for proof when faith is enough? By merely reading the statement is enough is it not?
      Religious s-c-u-m-b-a-g-s asking for proof. What an absurd notion.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:02 pm |
    • Mr N.

      Answer,

      Faith, by definition, is not taken on proof. However GoLC doesn't claim to be faithful on anything. It's his burden of proof, and yours for that matter. After all, if anyone can provide proof of his/her belief, it's an atheist, right? Or is that supposition "utterly ridiculous?"

      December 7, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • Not really

      GoLC is part of a new breed of atheists, egotistical and narcissistic to the detriment of rational debate. While the post by Seeing is a total failure of reading comprehension, GoLC's inability to post intelligible arguments and facts is just as bad.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • Answer

      Faith, by definition, is not taken on proof.

      This is what people use to get away from the burden of proof. Why should one allow oneself to escape allowing this loophole? Simply cowardice to not owning up to one giving up on finding answers.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:12 pm |
    • TheyreJust TooFunny

      Seeingthe TideTurning, it's truly hilarious to see how many poor atheists are Still in Denial about the existence of God and preferring to believe that they were born out of a rock, or that a fish hatched them, or that a tree dropped them from its leaves! That is simply So Hilarious!!! LOL!!

      December 7, 2011 at 6:20 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      @Answer

      You said:

      "Why does he have to provide proof? Let's take it on faith on what he says is truth."

      I have faith, NOT to a person (especially to an atheist and lunatic one) but with God ONLY.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:43 pm |
    • johnfrichardson

      @Seeing the Tide Turning: Why are so many religious people so flamin' illiterate?

      December 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Ouch, you called my typical. Im seriously considering suicide now. LOL

      December 7, 2011 at 9:45 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      My political agenda! Oh man!

      December 7, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • Chad

      @GodofLunaticsCreation "Oh man your comment was a laugh. Actually atheism is booming around the world and Christianity is still second to Islam."

      =>actually..
      List of religious populations:
      Christianity 1.9 billion – 2.1 billion
      Islam 1.7 billion
      Buddhism 500 million – 1.5 billion
      Hinduism 900 million – 1 billion

      – source wikipedia

      December 7, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      I said the most followers not people who sleep in the pews and act like satanists. Im sure you think you are a Christian too. Do you eat shell fish?

      December 7, 2011 at 10:09 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Your demographics are false. They list me as a Christian.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:44 pm |
  16. GodofLunaticsCreation

    What the difference between a Christian and a terrorist?

    December 7, 2011 at 5:02 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      No seriously, what's the difference? lol

      December 7, 2011 at 5:03 pm |
    • The RealDifference

      What is the difference you ask? A Christian has ties to Jesus/God. A terrorist has ties to atheism! That's the Real Difference!!

      December 7, 2011 at 5:52 pm |
    • Amused

      I have never heard of an atheist terrorist! People who lack the illogical belief in fairy tales have no reason to cause terror to people with different opinions! It is only those with fanatical and illogical beliefs who feel the need to force others to "follow them" through hatred and murder...

      December 7, 2011 at 6:07 pm |
    • Mr N.

      Amused,

      You obviously haven't heard of PETA, or some of the more extreme elements of Greenpeace. You need to get out more, bud.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm |
    • Snow

      How many people did PETA kill? or Green peace kill? compare that with how many people were killed in the name of religion.. including Christianity – if you think they spout roses out of their a$$

      December 7, 2011 at 8:21 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Actually terrorism and religion are directly linked as we know them today. In fact it has been proven that Muslims are more religious than Christians. Something I thought anyone with eyes would realize. Jesus sure loves his martyrs.

      December 7, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      You made your screen name for little old me?! Awwwww. By the way, Muslims believe in Jesus.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:06 pm |
  17. Bo

    @ Drew; We can not base our salvation on “blind faith”, we must base it on the evidence of God's love for his creation—man and nature alike. We must emulate that love in obedience and love toward God and His creation. If we worship God only for the rewards or for fear or just because it makes more sense to us, we worship God for the wrong reasons. We are truly blind when we see only the negative and not the positive.

    December 7, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
    • Answer

      "the evidence of God's love"

      You need a cuddle. Why don't you pray for that answer.

      December 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm |
    • TR6

      “We can not base our salvation on “blind faith”, we must base it on the evidence of God's love”

      If you are looking for modern day evidence of good Christians emulating god’s love on earth you need look no farther than the Srebrenica massacre, where an army of god fearing christians slaughtered over 8,000 unarmed muslim civilians.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:04 pm |
    • Amused

      I see neither negative nor positive; I see only facts and reality. So far, those facts have yet to include any evidence whatsoever of the existence if a god.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:10 pm |
    • Randumb Werd Jenorator

      Believing in god is blind alright. Especially when the religious texts prove themselves to be useless and contradictory. Blind is ignoring reality and still holding onto a dead faith. Might as well cram a hot poker in your own bum.

      December 7, 2011 at 7:18 pm |
  18. MK045

    So, not only is church attendance falling, but some of the people there really...aren't?

    December 7, 2011 at 4:29 pm |
    • Amused

      This is really nothing new at all. I have known many people throughout my life who continue to attend church without any real questions nor thought of why they bother to go. They listen to the ramblings of preachers, never really understanding the underlying message, nor can they relate those stories to their own life or their own actions. But, somehow, just by passively sitting there, they feel safe and protected because they have been taught that good church members won't be "sent to burn in hell" like those foolish people who dare to think for themsleves and use their own intelligence to guide them through life. These kinds of sheeple may not be atheists, but they really don't comprehend the basic tenents of their own religion. They just keep attending services out of fear and habit, but honestly never get much out of the experience. To them, it is just a social custom that they have always followed, but have never questioned nor understood why. As for me, I was forced to attend church my entire childhood, though I had a bad habit of asking intelligent questions that my Sunday school teachers and Ministers were unable to answer or even address in any meaningful way. The older I got, the more I saw it for what it really was. I could see that some people would feel lost without it, and others just followed along without question. I could see that the social aspect of church was helpful to some but destructive to others. I concluded that I was not one of those people who needed to mindlessly follow along with the crowd and have been much happier ever since then.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:54 pm |
  19. Matt

    Society needs religion. Let's say you go to war to control a resource. You can't have your troops killing and dying and pondering big questions. The masses need black/white moralities so they aren't distracted with metaphysical conundrums. Granted, the masses also need scientists to give them the weapons and techniques to win the wars. The problem is when you mix the two populations, this is why there is value to caste systems. The scientists don't need to be annoyed or persecuted by having the masses know anything about them. The masses don't need rational little warts in the pews causing discomfort with their nonconformity. Keep the 2 separated and keep the masses ignorant of the differences. Gives the scientists their "Galt's Gulch" style of enclaves and let the masses get back to their cogs and ploughs without the distraction and annoyances of thinking that others may disagree with their whole world view.

    December 7, 2011 at 4:28 pm |
  20. GodofLunaticsCreation

    One day, theists will have their own place in the DSM of mental disorders.

    December 7, 2011 at 4:22 pm |
    • Not really

      Fortunately they already have one for the majority of atheists on this blog, NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). Fortunately science has found medicine to help you with your problem. Science be praised!

      December 7, 2011 at 4:47 pm |
    • Answer

      We already have those categories and classifications up. We just don't tell them about it. 🙂

      December 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Not really, So you have to lie to make your point. Expected from a Christian.

      December 7, 2011 at 5:00 pm |
    • Snow

      @NotReally.. you mean you never met religious people who are Narcissistic? where do you live? bottom of a dark well?

      December 7, 2011 at 5:48 pm |
    • Not really

      Sure I've met religious people who are Narcissistic, lots actually.. But GoLCs brand of atheism rampant in these posts reeks of it. And GoLC, please point me to my lie and my reference to being Christian. You're embarassing yourself and intelligent atheists who wish your brand would stop trolling forums and obliterating intelligent conversation.

      December 7, 2011 at 6:01 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      @Not really

      Just be sure that you are saying the truth. Beacuse, "GodofLunaticsCreation" and his/her/its fellow will NOT accept any other lies except theirs. They own both the right and name here. LIARS!

      December 7, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      You are correct. I wont accept your lies. Now show me my lies. Waiting.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:00 pm |
    • LunAtheicst

      Your waiting is over...

      Eat this!

      "Actually atheism is booming around the world and Christianity is still second to Islam."

      Just right on your face!

      Checkmate!

      December 7, 2011 at 10:08 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Still waiting. I question your study. Your study says that I am a Christian.

      December 7, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Wikepedia calls your results into question " The demographics of atheism are difficult to quantify. Different people interpret "atheist" and related terms differently, and it can be hard to draw boundaries between atheism, non-religious beliefs, and non-theistic religious and spiritual beliefs. Furthermore, atheists may not report themselves as such, to prevent suffering from social stigma, discrimination, and persecution in some countries.[1]"

      December 7, 2011 at 10:19 pm |
    • StAtheistics

      Did I tell you that it was a Checkmate, didn't I? Ah, Okay..GAME OVER!

      December 7, 2011 at 11:02 pm |
    • GodofLunaticsCreation

      Heres your check mate! : )
      Wikipedia states... "There is often little coverage of the "No religious denomination" category (which includes deists, agnostics, atheists, and theists) although some evidence suggests they are growing rapidly. In the United States[1] the so-called "Nones" are the fastest growing religious status; Australia, Canada and much of Europe have also seen dramatic increases in the numbers of non-religious people."
      Also........."According to Guinness Book of World Records, Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion by number of conversions each year: Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity.[24] In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had risen to around 1.2 billion by the year 2000, meaning that around this time one in five people were followers of Islam. According to the BBC, a comprehensive American study concluded in 2009 the number stood at 1 in 4 with 60% of Muslims spread all over the Asian continent: A report from an American think-tank has estimated 1.57 billion Muslims populate the world – with 60% in Asia.[25][26] The report was done by the Pew Forum Research Centre.[26] The forum also projected that in 2010 out of the total number of Muslims in the world 62.1% will live in Asia.[25]"

      December 7, 2011 at 11:10 pm |
    • Facts Reveal

      "There is often little coverage of the "No religious denomination" category (which includes deists, agnostics, atheists, and theists)" = FACTS

      "although some evidence suggests they are growing rapidly." = HERESY

      December 9, 2011 at 8:30 pm |
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