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The Mormon group – whether they like it or not
Vocal Point performs on NBC's the Sing Off with host Nick Lachey.
December 8th, 2011
01:33 PM ET

The Mormon group – whether they like it or not

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) – When Shane Wright met with members of Vocal Point, a Brigham Young University a cappella group that was considering competing on NBC's singing show "The Sing Off," the main question he had for the nine male students had nothing to do with their singing talent.

Wright, the artist manager at BYU, wanted to know if the team was prepared to not only represent themselves and their school but to be viewed through the audience's understanding of Mormonism.

"I went around the room and asked the guys, how would you handle this or that type of question or situation," Wright said. "In our meeting we discussed several scenarios. I wanted to get them thinking about various situations before they were put in the fire."

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints oversees BYU, and the members of the singing team Vocal Point, whether they liked it or not, were going to be representing the church on primetime television. And with a recent Pew Research poll finding that nearly 25 percent of people have negative views of the Mormon Church, Vocal Point would be representing a misunderstood and at times maligned religion.

According to multiple members of the team, while representing their faith was not necessarily something they sought to do, it was a reality they knew they had to accept.

"We knew that a connection would be made between us and the Mormon Church whether we tried to or not," said Keith Evans, a 25-year-old member of the BYU team.

"Because the church has an obscure image, we thought this would be a great opportunity to show that this church is made up of normal people and is not as esoteric as people think," said Evans.

Other members hoped the team would show what young Mormons are really like and that they "do normal things."

McKay Crockett, a 24-year-old Mormon member of the team, said that while the team did understand there were misconceptions of the Mormon faith, their goal was "to show that Mormons are a lot like [everyone else] and we live life a lot like they do. It was a daunting task, but I do think we were able to do that in our kind of humble, awkward way on the Sing Off."

Vocal Point lasted a majority of the show, beating 11 other teams to finish fifth. The team sang a variety of songs, too. While they got high marks for an Elvis medley and their take on "Jump, Jive an' Wail," the judges said they were stretched by the Temptations "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" and Puff Daddy's "I'll Be Missing You."

No matter the song, though, a connection to the Mormon Church was regularly made. Fans left comments about the team's Mormon faith on message boards and Mormon newspapers and blogs began following Vocal Point's weekly progress.

The shows judges commented on the team's religion, too.

After the team sang a cover of Justin Beiber's "Never Say Never," singer/songwriter Ben Folds, one of the shows three judges, said, "I will never again say that I could never enjoy Beiber sung by a bunch of Mormons." Sarah Bareilles, also a singer/songwriter, described the group as a bunch of "wholesome thunder cats."

On the whole, said Evans, the response from the Mormon community was "largely positive."

"Maybe a person or two objected to one of our song selections," said Evans. "Some of them thought it was a bit too wild and crazy for a bunch of Mormon guys."

But Evans says that the fact that at times the team could get "a bit wild and crazy" shows that, "we [Mormons] are allowed to be a little wild and crazy. We are allowed to have a good time."

The judges kicked the team off the show after the R&B week, where Vocal Point sang the aforementioned Temptations song, along with a rendition of Bobby Brown's "Every Little Step."

Jake Hunsaker, a 22-year-old member of the team, said that though the loss was "disappointing," the team felt privileged to have gone as far as they did.

"I think for us it is a privilege to represent members of the Mormon faith," said Hunsaker. "Just to be able to expose people to what a Mormon is like, to be able to represent Mormons and let people know that we are normal was an honor."

Members of Vocal Point said that they were humbled by the experience and are a little stunned by the way people recognize them around BYU and Provo, Utah.

With a bit of sarcasm, Evans said that ultimately he hoped Vocal Point showed people that "a Mormon's faith isn't so different to the point that they create some weird species of person that is unapproachable."

And jokingly Evans said he wanted people to know that Mormons are good singers.

CNN's Martina Stewart contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Entertainment • Mormonism

soundoff (312 Responses)
  1. Joe

    One thing is clear from all this....hate sells, why, if I didn't know better, and were a hater sorta person, I'd write an anti-Mormon book myself, or make a webpage etc...; ) Hating Mormons is the final haters frontier, there's no where else for ya'l to go now days....right? ; )

    December 10, 2011 at 4:22 am |
    • Abinadi

      That's fine, Joe. We love you. You are our brother.

      December 10, 2011 at 11:36 am |
  2. Mr. Widemouth

    What's underneath the magic Mormon underwear? – Exposed http://www.squidoo.com/mormon-church

    December 10, 2011 at 3:11 am |
    • Joe

      Dude, if you knew that you'd forever be intimidated, best not to check : )....

      December 10, 2011 at 4:18 am |
    • Abinadi

      Mormon.org is better. You will feel better about yourself.

      December 10, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • Paul

      Enough said! Thanks for that video!!

      2 Timothy 4:3-4
      3 For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.

      December 10, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • Joe

      Paul, I agree, thanks abinadi. I did feel much better doing the Christian thing and listening to otherstell about their religion, not the haters : )

      December 10, 2011 at 2:38 pm |
    • Joe

      Widemouth, I was so curious, wondering how one does research for this topic. I thought,"certainly he doesn't go peeking in windows or anything.....and this can't be just another anti-Mormon website, trying to get a buck of encouraging people to hate my family.....or could it be....no....certainly not widemouth, he can't be the type that boasts that he loves to debate with people who know their stuff, but has no comment sections, then runs off when....no..."
      So I took the bait, thinking, "how bad could it be, they're Mormons, I mean, Lord save us if we were going to have to look at what's under anti-Mormon underwear, but..." so I clicked, saw the ads, won't support that store now, and it was just another anti-Mormon website with the same old answered anti-Mormon twisting lies, nothing even new, just the same old stuff that always ends up being supportive, false claims that there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon, DNA etc,.....perhaps this is why you hit and run ; ) I still love you, as always.....hang tight, BTW you can find the truth about Mormons at LDS org, or about anti-Mormons at FAIR lds 9only if your interested in that sort of thing....truth : ) not much money in it though...

      December 11, 2011 at 5:49 am |
  3. Abinadi

    Ti-thing is not compulsory in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Many do not pay ti-thing, however, for me it is a joy and a privilege.

    December 10, 2011 at 12:37 am |
    • Abinadi

      We love the Lord and are happy to contribute to his kingdom. There are no paid clergy or ministers in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We serve each other and the Lord out of Love. Mormon bishops do not charge for their service, not even for weddings or blessings or anything. We do not sell the Lord's gospel for money. Mormon missionaries are motivated by love and concern for others. In fact, many of them pay for their missions with their college funds and by selling cars and possessions. They give up girl friends, family, and lucrative sports and entertainment contracts to serve people they don't even know and who are often unpleasant and unkind. These are the hallmarks of the true church, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

      December 10, 2011 at 12:51 am |
    • Joe

      Abinadi, haven't you seen all those fancy cars President Monson drives, and those multiple mansions? ; ) Of course, only the anti-Mormons know about that, they know all (with a little tweak here and a little lie there, just stirring up a little hatred towards a religious minority, just curious....you know, don't worry, now days there are laws against government extermination and driving you from your homes with cannons), they see all... and they are always so kind, they don't need Church at all, they are above all that.... : ) Hang tight my brother....keep on turnin that cheek.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:10 am |
    • Abinadi

      Joe, even if that were true, which it isn't, it wouldn't bother me in the least. I pay ti thing for the blessings that I and my family receive and for the love of the Lord. It is an absolute pleasure! In Malachi 3, the Lord promises to open the windows of heaven if we pay ti thing and he has certainly done that. Through all of this recession all of my large family have been employed and we are doing well and it has been done by miraculous means. I will praise the name of Jesus Christ forever!

      December 10, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • Joe

      I agree Abinadi, I always offer humor to anti-Mormons, it's my way of showing love. And we all (even reality) know the truth is that none of our donations go to Church leaders. Many of our offerings go to feed the poor (I'm guessing much more per person than anti-Mormon Churches donate to the poor) but not to buy cars. And we especially don't sell hate.

      December 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Sorry, Joe. I mistook you for an anti.

      December 10, 2011 at 3:05 pm |
  4. Reality

    Mormonism – A business cult fronting as a religion:

    "The first divergence between Mormon economics and that of other denominations is the t-ithe. Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations. Very few, however, impose a compulsory 10% income tax on their members. Ti-thes are collected locally, with much of the money pas-sed on informally to local lay leaders at Sunday services. "By Monday," says Elbert Peck, editor of Sunstone, an independent Mormon magazine, the church authorities in Salt Lake City "know every cent that's been collected and have made sure the money is deposited in banks." There is a lot to deposit. Last year $5.2 billion in t-ithes flowed into Salt Lake City, $4.9 billion of which came from American Mormons."
    "The Mormons are stewards of a different str-ipe.

    Their charitable spending and temple building are prodi-gious. But where other churches spend most of what they receive in a given year, the Latter-day Saints employ vast amounts of money in investments that TIME estimates to be at least $6 billion strong. Even more unusual, most of this money is not in bonds or stock in other peoples' companies but is invested directly in church-owned, for-profit concerns, the largest of which are in agribusiness, media, insurance, travel and real estate. Deseret Management Corp., the company through which the church holds almost all its commercial as-sets, is one of the largest owners of farm and ranchland in the country, including 49 for-profit parcels in addition to the Deseret Ranch. Besides the Bonneville International chain and Beneficial Life, the church owns a 52% holding in ZCMI, Utah's largest department-store chain.

    All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church's nont-ithe income from its investments exceeds $600 million. "

    "Members of the church celebrate the Lord's Supper with water rather than wine or gra-pe juice. They believe their President is a prophet who receives new revelations from God. These can supplant older revelations, as in the case of the church's historically most controversial doctrine: Smith himself received God's sanctioning of pol-ygamy in 1831, but 49 years later, the church's President announced its recision. Similarly, an explicit policy barring black men from holding even the lowest church offices was overturned by a new revelation in 1978, opening the way to huge missionary activity in Africa and Brazil. "

    December 9, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
  5. myklds

    He didn't die, he was killed. By people like you!

    December 9, 2011 at 10:31 pm |
    • Mad The Swine

      Being killed means dying. I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but you completely contradicted yourself in the process. Bravo.

      December 10, 2011 at 12:10 am |
  6. abinadi

    Paul, I believe you protestants and Catholics believe that God and Christ are the same person and are without body, parts or passions, or something like that. So, do you believe that Christ was on earth and had a body of flesh and bones and then died and was resurrected? Do you believe that after he was resurrected he showed himself to the 12 and had them touch the wounds in his hands and his feet so there would be no question that he had resurrected and gained back, not just any body, but the actual body that he had had on earth. So, what did he do with that body? Did he lose it some where?

    December 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
  7. jlnsvfx

    Paul
    Anyone that relys completely on the Bible for all the answers in the universe are blind. Moses said after viewing the heavens that he was nothing – meaning what he knew was nothing compared to the knowledge and intelligence in the universe. You want to argue that from one book you can judge all of god's other revelations, visitations, and scripture – go ahead. Stay in the dark my friend – you know even less than Moses did when he was just an egyptian.

    December 9, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
    • abinadi

      So..... You do not believe the Bible?

      December 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
    • abinadi

      You don't really know how to answer me, do you? My aunt was a Catholic before she was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and she had a similar experience. After studying the truth with my Uncle, she went to her Catholic priest. He couldn't answer any of them. She said that as she left with a conviction to by baptized, she felt like she was going from darkness into the light. The have been married many years now and she said she did not know what happiness was before joining the true church.

      December 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm |
    • Mad The Swine

      Thanks for interpreting what Moses said. That's a classic christian move, misinterpreting everything in that book of toilet paper.

      December 10, 2011 at 12:16 am |
  8. abinadi

    Paul, it is you Protestants and Catholics who have changed the true doctrine. A good example is the Nicene creed. The Nicene Creed is nowhere in the Bible. It was totally fabricated by Constantine and his council of pagans, Gnostics, Arians, Greek mystics and others who had an agenda. Constantine didn't know any doctrine. He just wanted peace in his empire from all the factions who were fighting over doctrine. He just settled for the first thing that the majority could agree with. The sad thing is that there were probably people there who knew the truth, but couldn't prevail over all the other factions – doctrine by committee! Paul would not have approved of the mess christianity is in. He said, "5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Ephesians 4) Obviously, there can not be more than one true church or more than one true doctrine. The question is, which one? We invite all to visit mormon.org for the answer. Christ taught the true doctrine of the Godhead when he suffered himself to be baptized by John. In Luke 3:21,22 we read, "21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

    22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."

    December 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
    • abinadi

      This is the true doctrine of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which was taught by the Bible – that the Father and Son are two separate beings and which Joseph Smith, the prophet, was able to comprehend better than all the false teachers were able to for 2000 years.

      December 9, 2011 at 12:07 pm |
  9. paul

    It's not the Mormon people that is at issue here, but the teachings or dogma of their faith. Most Mormons are great people, and make great neighbors and colleagues. But Galatians says it all regarding their teachings.

    Galatians 1 : 6 – 10
    6 I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ.[c] You are following a different way that pretends to be the Good News 7 but is not the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the truth concerning Christ.

    8 Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. 9 I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.

    10 Obviously, I’m not trying to win the approval of people, but of God. If pleasing people were my goal, I would not be Christ’s servant.

    The fact that there have been SO many faiths, that do not jive together, only leads to obfuscation regarding God, and gives fodder for atheists and agnostics, who point to the insanity of the various beliefs. Satan is doing a fine job in creating such global confusion. But he will have his day. And God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is still in control.

    The only way to KNOW God is through the Holy Spirit who reveals all truths, no matter what faith one was raised into. That's why Jesus said to Nicodemus, "You MUST be Born Again to enter the Kingdom of God.

    John 3 : 1 – 8
    1 There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee. 2 After dark one evening, he came to speak with Jesus. “Rabbi,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.”

    3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again,[a] you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

    4 “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”

    5 Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.[b] 6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.[c] 7 So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

    Hope this helps.

    December 9, 2011 at 3:31 am |
    • What IF

      paul, There is no more proof for divine revelation or inspiration for Paul of Tarsus, John, or any of the other first century evangelists than there is for Mohammad, Joseph Smith or any of the many others over the centuries who have proclaimed such.

      December 9, 2011 at 3:42 am |
    • paul

      Thanks for the response, What IF. Nicodemus said to Jesus in the verse from John “Rabbi,” he said, “we all know that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you.” Jesus did his miracles to prove that He was who He said He was. Joseph Smith nor Mohammed proved themselves by signs and wonders.

      There are over 350 OT prophecies that point to Jesus as the Messiah, one of them coming from Isaiah 53, which was written ~700 years before Jesus lived. If someone makes a claim about something, there needs to be evidence to back up the claim. The Pharisees from Jesus's day did not challenge that He performed miracles, but they did question where His power came from. They said it was of the Devil, which Jesus replied, a divided house falls.

      December 9, 2011 at 3:55 am |
    • paul

      What IF –

      Acts 5 : 12 – 13
      12 The apostles were performing many miraculous signs and wonders among the people. And all the believers were meeting regularly at the Temple in the area known as Solomon’s Colonnade. 13 But no one else dared to join them, even though all the people had high regard for them. 14 Yet more and more people believed and were brought to the Lord—crowds of both men and women.

      2 Corinthians 12 : 11 – 13

      11 You have made me act like a fool—boasting like this.[c] You ought to be writing commendations for me, for I am not at all inferior to these “super apostles,” even though I am nothing at all. 12 When I was with you, I certainly gave you PROOF that I am an apostle. For I patiently did many signs and wonders and miracles among you. 13 The only thing I failed to do, which I do in the other churches, was to become a financial burden to you. Please forgive me for this wrong!

      December 9, 2011 at 4:01 am |
    • Reality

      JD Crossan notes in his book, Who is Jesus

      "Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

      And this:

      ". All those details in our gospels, as distinct from the brute facts just mentioned, are prophecy turned into history, rather than history remembered."

      December 9, 2011 at 7:30 am |
    • Paul

      Reality – the Bible says there is no remission is sin without the shedding of blood.

      Leviticus 17:11
      11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

      Hebrews 9:22
      22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

      And the amazing thing is that Jesus was God Himself. He was the sacrifice for us.

      Colossians 1:15-20
      The Preeminence of Christ

      15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. 19 For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

      Hope this helps!

      December 9, 2011 at 8:19 am |
    • wlv

      Paul, that's YOUR issue, based on your own religious bigotry. YOU decide to make the religion's tenets an issue. Never mind your flawed understanding of the Bible. I'm LDS, and have taught the doctrines to adults in and out of the church for several decades, now. There isn't an objection I haven't seen or heard. With a little education and effort, you can overcome your bigotry.

      No matter what anyone's religion is, true Christianity demands that we love each other and respect each other. If you don't have that, no matter what your beliefs are, you're in trouble.

      December 9, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • abinadi

      Paul, it is you Protestants and Catholics who have changed the true doctrine. A good example is the Nicene creed. The Nicene Creed is nowhere in the Bible. It was totally fabricated by Constantine and his council of pagans, Gnostics, Arians, Greek mystics and others who had an agenda. Constantine didn't know any doctrine. He just wanted peace in his empire from all the factions who were fighting over doctrine. He just settled for the first thing that the majority could agree with. The sad thing is that there were probably people there who knew the truth, but couldn't prevail over all the other factions – doctrine by committee! Paul would not have approved of the mess christianity is in. He said, "5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Ephesians 4) Obviously, there can not be more than one true church or more than one true doctrine. The question is, which one? We invite all to visit mormon.org for the answer.

      December 9, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Reality

      While we are thu-mping, another observation:

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher man would do or say?

      December 9, 2011 at 11:57 am |
    • Paul

      Wlv – First off, I totally agree with your comment about loving and respecting each other. People who know me, and I have friends from many backgrounds, even Mormon friends, would say that I do live my life that way. Christ in me, loving the world! Even those who differ in faith and opinions. I take exception to everything else you wrote. I am a religious bigot because I respectfully challenge LDS teachings with passages from the Bible? I know the teachings of Mormonism, and have read the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price. I know the doctrines. And they are not all biblical doctrines! There is no evidence to Smith's claims that all religions before we're corrupted and he had the right way. Sounds like the same story that Mohammed professed.

      How do say that my knowledge of the Bible is flawed from one post on a media comment board?

      And aren't religious tenets at issue when it comes to differences?

      December 9, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Joe

      Paul, of course LDS believe all those scriptures. And of course, there is evidence that God still speaks today, and that Joseph Smith miraculously translated the Book of Mormon.

      December 10, 2011 at 4:16 am |
  10. Abinadi

    You know, the protestant churches have no authority. Paul said in Hebrews 5, "4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
    5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee."
    How was Aaron called to the priesthood? By one having authority, Moses, and by the laying on of hands. Not even Christ, who demonstrated baptism to us, even though he was sinless, took the priesthood on himself. Paul hints that Christ was ordained a High Priest by his own father, who begot him in the flesh, and who laid his flesh and bone hands on his head in teh same manner and ordained him a high priest.
    Christ himself also taught that no man should take the honor of the priesthood on himself. In John 15, Christ said, " 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."
    Christ wanted it to be perfectly clear that unordained ministers weren't to go running helter skelter around spreading their own interpretations and philosophies, organizing their own churches and then selling his precious teachings for money, and taking advantage of people for their own personal gain by pretending to be a prophet and predicting the end of the world, etc. etc. etc. He wanted his church to be organized orderly under apostles and prophets like he organized his church with Peter at the head and two counselors, James and John, and twelve apostles. Under these were the seventies, bishops, evangelists, teachers and other officers of the Melchizedeck and Aaronic priesthoods. There is only one church today organized the way Christ organized his original church. To see and hear the modern day apostles and prophets and read their words, go to lds.org.

    December 9, 2011 at 12:47 am |
    • paul

      Abinadi – Amazing how Joseph Smith, like Mohammed, came along and said that he had a new revelation, as the old were corrupted.

      Galatians 1:6 – 9 warns against false teachings such as Islam and Mormonism! Shocking how similar their stories are!

      6 I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ.[c] You are following a DIFFERENT WAY that PRETENDS to be the Good News 7 but is NOT the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the TRUTH concerning Christ.

      8 Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. 9 I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.

      Isaiah 40:8 says it all regarding the scriptures becoming corrupted

      8 The grass withers and the flowers fade,
      but the word of our God stands forever.”

      Hope this helps, though it will seem as if I am attacking both Mormonism and Islam. I just want to the Truth to be known.

      December 9, 2011 at 3:22 am |
  11. Abinadi

    If Peter, James, and John and the other apostles were alive today, I wonder which church they would belong to? Interestingly, Paul anticipated that question and answered it in his 1st epistle to the Corinthians 1. He said, "10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

    12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

    13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

    14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

    15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name."
    Obviously, Paul wouldn't belong to the church of Lutheran, or the Methodists, or the Baptists or any of the other Protestant churches. He said himself that he would belong to the Church of Jesus Christ, and if he were alive today he would belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Days. He said in Ephesians 2 that he would belong to the church that was founded on Apostles and Prophets, "19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;" The watered down, so called Christian churches do not have the power to save you. If you are sincere and are looking for the truth, we invite you to click on mormon.org.

    December 9, 2011 at 12:39 am |
    • paul

      I don't think Paul would be a member of the LDS! Especially after what he wrote about in Galatians, as shown in my previous post.

      Galatians 6
      6 I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ.[c] You are following a DIFFERENT WAY that PRETENDS to be the Good News 7 but is NOT the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the TRUTH concerning Christ.

      8 Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. 9 I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.

      Mormonism totally teaches a Gospel different that what Paul preached!!! Please wake up! For your sake, not mine.

      December 9, 2011 at 3:49 am |
    • Bo

      I believe that Christ would be a member of my church! I applaud your conviction that you believe the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints is the true church, but there are a lot of churches that believe their church is the right church, I would dare say that of my own church. I have a lot of problems with the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints being none biblical, and there are many who say the same of my church.

      December 9, 2011 at 8:31 am |
  12. Reality

    How much money would the following save the US taxpayers ?:

    Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
    There never were and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror like 9/11.

    One trillion dollars over the next several years as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan will end.

    Eighteen billion dollars/yr to Pakistan will stop.

    Four billion dollars/yr to Egypt will end.

    Saving 2 billion lost Christians including the Mormons:
    There were never any bodily resurrections and there will never be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity!!!

    The Mormon empire will now become taxable as will all Christian "religions" and non-profits since there is no longer any claim to being a tax-exempt religion.

    Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    Four billion dollars/yr to Israel saved.

    All Jewish sects and non-profits will no longer be tax exempt.

    Now all we need to do is convince these 3.5+ billion global and local citizens that they have been conned all these centuries and they should demand a refund of their donations. Time for a Twitter and FaceBook campaign!!!!

    December 9, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      Where are your facts? You are just as ridiculous as the religious people! Claiming you know truth when you have no proof.

      December 9, 2011 at 7:12 am |
    • Reality

      They are called the Infamous Angelic Cons:

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."

      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      December 9, 2011 at 7:38 am |
    • .........

      This is called bull sh it hit report abuse on all reality blogs

      December 9, 2011 at 7:48 am |
    • Bo

      @Joxer the Mighty: Reality makes up a lot of things, and Reality will believe anything as long as it is anti-religious.

      December 9, 2011 at 8:41 am |
    • Grinunbarrett

      Reality; You are not real, who would want to turn over to the political elite such a windfall of additional taxes to permit such an increase in their out of control spending which in the long run would increase the national debt? I do believe that you are the one who has been talking to a con artist maybe some of those folks in Washington D. C. You should check out The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the billions they spend each year on humanitarian services across the world. In my humble opinion it would be a sad mistake to take those billions and give it to the cons in Washington. I do think reality has actually escaped you. I recall as a young boy growing up in Illinois constantly hearing the statement that "ignorance is bliss" I do believe your ignorance is showing out and most folks can definitely see it. This statement is a humanitarian effort on my part to encourage all of us to inform ourselves before we speak. I am not attempting to discuss religion here but just have hopes that we face the reality that religion is a part of our society and is protected from folks who are so obviously atheist. The religion of Atheism destroyed the USSR and has been the down fall of so many nations and kingdoms through out world history.

      December 9, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • Reality

      o http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
      o
      Religion................................. Adherents

      Christianity......................... 2.1 billion

      Islam................................... 1.5 billion

      Irreligious/agnostic/atheism 1.1 billion

      Hinduism 900 million
      Chinese traditional religion 394 million
      Buddhism 376 million
      Animist religions 300 million
      African traditional/diasporic religions 100 million
      Sikhism 23 million
      Juche 19 million
      Spiritism 15 million
      Judaism 14 million
      Baha'i 7 million
      Jainism 4.2 million
      Shinto 4 million
      Cao Dai 4 million
      Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
      Tenrikyo 2 million
      Neo-Paganism 1 million
      Unitarian Universalism 800,000
      Rastafari Movement 600,000

      December 9, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
    • Reality

      Mormonism will slowly fade from society as will contemporary Christianity and Islam because of the obvious problems with the founders of these religions especially their angelic/satanic hallucinations and related prophecies. "Pretty and ugly wingie/horn blowing thingies" simply do/did not exist.

      December 9, 2011 at 11:24 pm |
    • Reality

      Mormonism – A business cult fronting as a religion:

      "The first divergence between Mormon economics and that of other denominations is the t-ithe. Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations. Very few, however, impose a compulsory 10% income tax on their members. Ti-thes are collected locally, with much of the money pas-sed on informally to local lay leaders at Sunday services. "By Monday," says Elbert Peck, editor of Sunstone, an independent Mormon magazine, the church authorities in Salt Lake City "know every cent that's been collected and have made sure the money is deposited in banks." There is a lot to deposit. Last year $5.2 billion in t-ithes flowed into Salt Lake City, $4.9 billion of which came from American Mormons."
      "The Mormons are stewards of a different str-ipe.

      Their charitable spending and temple building are prodi-gious. But where other churches spend most of what they receive in a given year, the Latter-day Saints employ vast amounts of money in investments that TIME estimates to be at least $6 billion strong. Even more unusual, most of this money is not in bonds or stock in other peoples' companies but is invested directly in church-owned, for-profit concerns, the largest of which are in agribusiness, media, insurance, travel and real estate. Deseret Management Corp., the company through which the church holds almost all its commercial as-sets, is one of the largest owners of farm and ranchland in the country, including 49 for-profit parcels in addition to the Deseret Ranch. Besides the Bonneville International chain and Beneficial Life, the church owns a 52% holding in ZCMI, Utah's largest department-store chain.

      All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church's nont-ithe income from its investments exceeds $600 million. "

      "Members of the church celebrate the Lord's Supper with water rather than wine or gra-pe juice. They believe their President is a prophet who receives new revelations from God. These can supplant older revelations, as in the case of the church's historically most controversial doctrine: Smith himself received God's sanctioning of pol-ygamy in 1831, but 49 years later, the church's President announced its recision. Similarly, an explicit policy barring black men from holding even the lowest church offices was overturned by a new revelation in 1978, opening the way to huge missionary activity in Africa and Brazil. "
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

      December 9, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
  13. Tea Party Crasher

    Mormons are people too? I am astonished to read this news!

    December 8, 2011 at 11:21 pm |
    • Grummmmmpy!

      so are muslims, liberals, and rapist

      December 10, 2011 at 10:15 am |
  14. Bobo

    Ya'll are insane. Get lives my peeps. Just juvenile stuff. Write me back if you want, but this will be the last time I waste time reading comments on this blog. So reply, but I'll never read it.

    December 8, 2011 at 10:42 pm |
    • Tea Party Crasher

      I'm so thankful that you got that out of your system. Must have been difficult, all these years of sorrow and grief. How were you able to gather the strength to hold these words in for so long? It must have been eating you alive! Hopefully, you will be able to move forward with life. Be free young chicken, and fly!

      December 8, 2011 at 11:35 pm |
  15. captain america

    It would be splendid if all mormons were sent to canada, and then a great earthquake struck and ripped canada from our land and threw it into mother russia where those communists belong.

    December 8, 2011 at 10:37 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      CA.. it would then make a great make work project for you to build a bridge to your outpost... Alaska...which, if memory serves me right is a little closer to Russia than Canada.. Sarah could see it....

      December 9, 2011 at 12:41 am |
    • captain america

      You've stolen the name and the concept, but I just don't feel the love.

      December 9, 2011 at 7:51 am |
  16. Bellock

    And other Christians don't? Wonder what all those missionaries are really doing then.

    December 8, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
  17. glenn

    I agree...leave the Mormons alone and they should leave the NON-MORMONS along. Problem is – they can't. They want the entire world, including dead people to be baptized "mo". That said, a lot of folks will have to believe that God lives on his own planet called Kolob. Sound cool..drink the Kool-aid.

    December 8, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
    • brenda

      Glenn, Read the last two verses of Matthew.

      December 11, 2011 at 10:01 am |
  18. Bellock

    I don't care what a person believes, if they leave the world a better place for having been here, cool. Personally, I'll keep my stocking hung off the toilet seat this year. I've been eating extra fiber and I'm sure Mr. Hankey will come.

    December 8, 2011 at 10:05 pm |
  19. TG

    The Mormons teach that "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens."(Joseph Smith) Mormon prophet Lorenzo Snow (1814-1901) said: “As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may become.”

    This totally contradicts what the Bible says about God, saying that "even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God."(Ps 90:2, King James Bible) In addition, at Genesis 17:1, God is shown to be "God Almighty", and gives us his name as Jehovah. At Isaiah 45:5, God says: "I am Jehovah and there is no one else. With the exception of me there is no God." Thus, there is no "gods" that are Almighty or equal to Jehovah God, unlike Mormon beliefs.

    December 8, 2011 at 9:49 pm |
    • TXpresby

      You didn't mention pedophiles like Warren Jeffs.

      December 8, 2011 at 10:36 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      God is shown to be god almighty? where? shown is different from mentioned in a book. do you accept that Thor was real, and if not why?

      December 9, 2011 at 12:46 am |
    • myklds

      TXpresby

      Your ignorance about Mormons faith is amazing.

      December 9, 2011 at 10:29 pm |
    • brenda

      Revelations 3:
      20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

      21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

      December 11, 2011 at 10:05 am |
  20. Jennifer

    You know you don't hear about the prisons being full of Mormons...you don't hear about Mormon serial killers...I say just leave them alone and let them believe in the special undies and be happy.

    December 8, 2011 at 9:48 pm |
    • Book of Moron

      You've never heard of Ted Bundy?

      http://famousmormons.net/infamous.html

      December 8, 2011 at 10:22 pm |
    • Tea Party Crasher

      Joseph Smith died in a jail cell. That there, was true beginning of this cult. Martyrs are good at getting the ball rolling.

      December 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
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