Key Gingrich staff member departs over Mormon comment
December 14th, 2011
08:02 AM ET

Key Gingrich staff member departs over Mormon comment

By the CNN Political Unit

(CNN) – Craig Bergman, Iowa campaign director for GOP presidential front-runner Newt Gingrich, stepped down from his role Tuesday amid reports he made a controversial comment about Mormonism.

"He made a comment to a focus group prior to becoming an employee that is inconsistent with Newt 2012's pledge to run a positive and solutions orientated campaign," said R.C. Hammond, press secretary for Gingrich.

According to the Des Moines Register, Bergman called Mormonism a 'cult' on Wednesday when talking to a focus group. The newspaper attributed the remark to The Iowa Republican, a conservative news website.

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  1. conservativeforAmerica

    If Jesus never walked the earth as god in the flesh and was just a mortal man then some explain to me how this has not been exposed in 2000 years of trying? Because he is the way, the truth, and the light and no comes before the father except thru him! So I ask you if I was to say I am god today and was crucified would you give up your life for me as the disciples did if I did not rise from the grave? Of course you wouldn't. We could argue back and forth all day the fact is call it what you will I have more peace now that I know jesus than I ever did before! I know that I am not perfect and he does not expect you to be. I wake up ev everyday with the intent to do as I think he would some days I do pretty good most days I fall on my face but that's ok. My god forgives and is merciful on me a sinner!

    December 14, 2011 at 3:14 pm |
    • warmesTghosT

      I guess you didn't get the memo, but your religion HAS been debunked. The Genesis has been proven wrong. The Exodus never happened. The Flood never happened. Jesus and Moses have no historical or archaeological evidence for their very existence.

      Your own "Holy" book disproves your entire theology. How's that for irony?

      It's easy to find "peace" when you ignore 85% of reality. Ignorance truly is bliss.

      December 14, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
    • rick

      How does one expose the a myth? How come no one has exposed the falseness of krisha, or zeus?

      December 14, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
    • rick

      people give up their lives for allah. does that make allah objectively correct?

      December 14, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  2. Fantasia

    Im sitting on the Toilet takin a huge dump.

    December 14, 2011 at 2:58 pm |
    • Feather

      You must be pleased.

      December 14, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
  3. John


    December 14, 2011 at 2:30 pm |
    • .....

      TRASH ALERT – don't bother viewing this garbage, click the report abuse link to get rid of the pathetic TROLL!

      December 14, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
  4. Ungodly Discipline

    The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.


    December 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I must not fear.
      Fear is the mind-killer.
      Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
      I will face my fear.
      I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
      And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
      Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
      Only I will remain.

      – Bene Gesserit LItany Against Fear

      December 14, 2011 at 2:53 pm |
    • Reality

      Ow! F_ck Lady! That hurts! I'm gonna stick that gom jabbar right up your @ss!

      December 14, 2011 at 3:00 pm |
    • Reality

      Not from the original Reality.

      December 14, 2011 at 11:30 pm |
  5. captain america

    canada being 1/10 the population of the USA has an ass hole per square mile ratio 20X greater than the USA. We, America wouldn't even show up on a scale at all except we've let canadians like jim carey immigrate.

    December 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • HellBent

      Your fourth-grade obsession with this long ago passed annoying and is now solidly in disturbing. Do you take pride in the fact that you waste so much of your day on these lame insults? Sad.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:31 pm |
    • captain america

      Another butt in canadian heard from and exposed for the ass hole he is.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
    • Anatomically Bombed

      "America wouldn't even show up on a scale at all" on an azzhole scale? lol, only because we have so many you can't see the sides and it just looks like outer space... so do be careful of our Klingons...

      December 14, 2011 at 2:43 pm |
    • captain america

      And another, they are coming out of the woodwork. canadian termites gnawing on the oak of the const itution.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:46 pm |
    • Anatomically Bombed

      I have indeed been to Canada, once when I was 7 years old, does that make me Canadian? I was born a buckeye, and had enough sense to move to California in my early 20's, but I guess by naming yourself "captain america" you get to hide your mixed species heritage since "captain dungbeetleman" would not garner you as much attention, or then again, maybe it would... it would at least be more honest.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:55 pm |
    • captain america

      When you get done kissing canadian ass let US know how you'll get the taste out of your mouth.

      December 14, 2011 at 3:02 pm |
    • iron man

      Time to get back in the ice now, cap'n.

      December 14, 2011 at 3:30 pm |
    • captain america

      54 40 or fight , it is still ours. Manifest Destiny.

      December 14, 2011 at 6:04 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      54-40 is a great Canadian band!
      I loved that song "Ocean Pearl".

      December 15, 2011 at 8:04 am |
  6. Lawrence

    A cult of Christianity is a group of people, which claiming to be Christian, embraces a particular doctrinal system taught by an individual leader, group of leaders, or organization, which (system) denies (either explicitly or implicitly) one or more of the central doctrines of the Christian faith as taught in the sixty-six books of the Bible.

    December 14, 2011 at 2:22 pm |
    • Anatomically Bombed

      "one or more of the central doctrines of the Christian faith as taught in the sixty-six books of the Bible."

      I've read it a few times, so do I get to determine what the "central doctrines" are and in so doing define "christian cultists"?

      Definition of "Cult – Noun: 1.A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
      2.A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister." Merriam-Webster

      So the only reason Christians everywhere are not defined as a cult is that it is not "A relatively small group of people". Every other part of the definition fits to a T.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
  7. thomas mc

    So what, Right Wing Christianity is a cult, too!

    December 14, 2011 at 2:19 pm |
  8. DamianKnight


    My opinion is that opinions are like as.sholes. Everyone's got one, they all stink and they're frequently full of sh.it. 🙂

    December 14, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Reply comment fail.

      December 14, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
  9. Doc Vestibule

    Mormons, like Republicans, are all about the money.

    "Ti.thing is an important test of our personal righteousness. President Joseph F. Smith (1838-1918) said: “By this principle it shall be known who is for the kingdom of God and who is against it. … By it it shall be known whether we are faithful or unfaithful” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 276)."
    To make sure congregants are paying up, each year they must go before a Bishop for a Ti.thing Settlement.
    A member is questioned in a one-on-one interview with the Bishop to ensure the member is paying a full 10%.
    Those members who are not paying a full 10% lose their temple recommendations and are prevented from entering the Temple. They therefore are in serious jeopardy of losing their Celestial Blessings.
    If a member cannot get into the temple, they cannot learn the secret handshake, secret password, secret "new name" and special “sealings”.
    Without these, the member will be unable to pass Joseph Smith and the angels who guard the entrance to the Celestial Kingdom.
    Mormons are told: "if a dest.itute family is faced with the decision of paying their ti.thing or eating, they should pay their t.ithing." (Lynn Robbins, General Conference, April 2005).

    December 14, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
    • captain america

      A canadian opinion on American politics is the height of arrogant uselessness. Your opinion doc is the equal of dog waste on this blogs sidewalk.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:13 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @captain america
      How is laying out the way in which the LDS extort their congregants political?
      There are mormons in Canada too, you know.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • captain america

      Then keep them and you there where you might belong.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:18 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Captain America
      Say again, Cap? You seem to be losing what small vestige of coherence you once had...

      Mormonism is one of the less palatable cultural imports from your country.
      Why don't you take them back to Utah?

      December 14, 2011 at 2:26 pm |
    • captain america

      Once a peoples are tainted with canadian they can never be brought back and trusted.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:40 pm |
    • iron man

      Poor Cap. Show us on the doll where the bad Canadians touched you.

      December 14, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  10. Denise

    Regardless of what people believe about religion we have to remember that one of the great things about this country is the freedom we have to practice whichever religion we choose or none at all. Some people need religion and there is no reason to try and convince them that their believes are irrational or unfounded.

    December 14, 2011 at 12:24 pm |
    • William Demuth

      So truth is irrelevant?

      I should respect the suicide bomber?

      I should respect the bigot who uses his God to rationalize slavery, bigotry and oppression?

      I should ignore the Charlatans who defraud the old and the degenerates who harm the weak?

      If we sit while others use their rights to abuse our rights then we get the country we deserve.

      We must fight the darkness like our country and our world itself depended on it, because it does.

      December 14, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
    • rick

      My religion's sacrament is ganja. I am unable to practice it legally

      December 14, 2011 at 1:49 pm |
  11. Reality

    For a complete to-the-point summary:

    • There was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Next topic!

    December 14, 2011 at 11:34 am |
    • Rev. Ted Johnson

      A nice list. I notice there are gaps in it. Was it reduced from a bigger list?

      December 14, 2011 at 11:40 am |
    • Reality

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.


      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      5. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      6. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      December 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, man (meaning women too) have failed in too many of the churches in the world due to the sins of pride, greed, lust etc. that blinds them to Jesus' truth as they teach the ways of the world that Jesus warned us about many times in scriptures. Jesus truth however, was there from the beginning and will continue through eternity. All the rest of the false religions were devised my satan's offspring to take 95% of Jesus' truth, add 5% of satan's lies to create doubt in people's minds who teaches truth. Worked in your case as well as all those that reject Jesus by following a false doctrine.


      December 14, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Thonk

      HeavenSent, that sounds pretty self-righteous of you. Have you ever really thought through your religious beliefs?

      December 14, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      That whole article is an editorial. It's an OPINION. And he takes the OPINION of people who support his beliefs. That doesn't make it fact. It makes it HIS OPINION. Just like all of your claims are OPINIONS and you are supporting your OPINION with another OPINION.

      December 14, 2011 at 12:49 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      But what's your opinion about opinions of opinions?

      December 14, 2011 at 12:52 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Oops...comment fail.


      My opinion is that opinions are like as.sholes. Everyone's got one, they all stink and they're frequently full of sh.it. 🙂

      December 14, 2011 at 12:59 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline


      Where is Satan and his minions? I don't see them anywhere. Are they hiding? Do they have pointy tales and horns on their head? Are they buried under you piles of hoarded garbage like your dead cats?

      December 14, 2011 at 2:15 pm |
    • Reality

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/Disease:

      From that famous "non-opinionated" passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,


      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • .........

      save us all from reality bull sh it hit report abuse on all his posts

      December 14, 2011 at 2:51 pm |
  12. Rev. Ted Johnson

    This is nothing but a transparent attempt to take some of Romney's supporters away by making it look as though Gingrich respects Mormons. Anyone who falls for this stuff should not be allowed to vote. Mormons do not follow the true teachings of Christ.

    December 14, 2011 at 11:28 am |
  13. Salt lick

    To all that said religions are cults...okey...lets see...why don't you creat your own religion and try to convince your neighbor that your calloused butt is holy and need some worshippers to bow their heads and asks some money from them telling that they'll gonna be saved by giving there money to you for your own expense....

    December 14, 2011 at 10:29 am |
    • Andrew

      It is pretty clear that Salt Lick and Captian America are the same person. I wish they wouldn't allow 14 year olds on this site......

      December 14, 2011 at 10:41 am |
    • LetsSee

      "calloused butt"

      You have a calloused butt Salt Lick, wow that's disgusting but...how do you get a calloused butt anyways? LOL!

      December 14, 2011 at 11:05 am |
    • William Demuth


      What you are suggesting has already been done.

      It's called Scientology, and was created by a science fiction writer who SPECIFICALLY said it was what he intended to do.

      He was a sociopath named L Ron Hubbard.

      This cult drags in MANY modern idiots, and in time may be concieved as an actual religion

      December 14, 2011 at 11:23 am |
  14. Colin

    The belief that an infitely old, all-knowing sky-god, powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies, will cause people to survive their own phsical deaths and live happily ever after in heaven, if they follow some random laws laid down in Bronze Age Palestine = Judaism.

    Judaism PLUS a belief that the same god impregnated a virgin with himself to give birth to himself, so he could sacrifice himself to himself to negate a rule he himself made = Christianity.

    Christianity PLUS a belief that aliens from other planets mated with humans who will one day be gods, that Jesus and Satan were brothers, that the Israelis colonized America, that magic underwear will protect you and that a god revealed the secrets of the Universe to failed conman in upstate New York = mormonism.

    In a sense, mormonism is transparently more stupid and infantile than the ther two beliefs, but only because it is newer and built upon them. Come end of the day, they are all silly, childish beliefs that should not still be with us in the 21st Century.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:57 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Thanks, I needed a good laugh this gloomy morning. How true you are!!!!

      December 14, 2011 at 10:00 am |
    • Santa

      Colin is not going to get any Bibles in his stocking this Christmas!
      Just keep it up, Colin, and I won't ever give you any Bibles or anything like that EVAR!
      Ho Ho Ho! 8)

      December 14, 2011 at 10:17 am |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Of course, at the end of the day, you make the most practical sense. But for the geeks among us, the question of whether or not this group meets the definition of a "cult", (or even whether that is any longer a useful term), is an interesting one. The 20th Century definition of a cult as a small "splinter" group, either as a spin-off/break away from a larger group, or a self developed group with it's own original impetus, seems to apply in certain ways, and not in others, as this group has grown to be very fairly large. In my understanding, the answer to the question "Does Mormon theology differs radically from conventional Christianity ?" is a resounding YES, (regardless of the "cult" label, being applied or not.) It clearly stands OUTSIDE the Judeo-Christian tradition for many reasons. In many ways, Mormons today dismiss the obvious questions observers have about the bizarre elements of their tradition, (which are many), but it is not so much about whether they accept this or that, or believe this or that, as it is about the PROCESS involved. Judeo-Christianities DEVELOPED from a long and complex culturally based processes, ALWAYS associated with communities of worshipers, which were the ultimate arbiter, (by inclusion or not into their liturgical celebrations), of the texts which they accepted as the authentic experience of that community, (and those that were found wanting were considered "heretical" and/or simply not used in the celebrations), and thus were left out, eventually, from their canon, and NEVER from one guy who found some... oh so conveniently, (when asked to produce them "I can't find them") gold tablets in his back yard. The problem with the group in question of this article, is that it was conco'ckted by one uneducated man, and not an organic evolution from a community. The PROCESS is flawed, and in no way even remotely resembles the way any other mainline versions of Xtianity were formed, and thus have to be judged to be "unbiblical" and "unchristian" in a simply historical context. For one man, in his cultural (and educational) vacuum, to stand up and make up things and declare them as authentic is not consistent with the known historical/traditional Judeo-Christian community's validation process, and may be one of the reasons he got so far off the mark, no matter how much the present day membership attempt to dismiss the bizarre nature of it's origins. He seemed to be unaware of this actual known process, even though some of the centers of biblical form and literary criticism, (especially in Austria-Germany (ie Tubingen University)) HAD begun to be aware of the historical, (archeologically validated) processes, (and eventually at Harvard and Yale and Princeton, and I'm sure other places I don't know about), by the time Smith was doing his thing. Call it what you will, (a "cult" or not), it is OUTSIDE the Christian tradition. 😈

      December 14, 2011 at 10:20 am |
    • Scott

      Genius, and absolutely true.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:28 am |
    • William Demuth


      Abraham was the root of ALL the big religions.

      As a result, they are ALL tainted.

      A faith based on lunacy is a cult, and any faiths extrapolated from a cult are cults.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • The quality of mercy is instant and contains cocoa

      Bucky Ball, I am not done with my coffee yet. Don't make me kill you.
      Use the 'enter' key and make paragraphs or I will find your fullerine ass and shove an overly large atom into it.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:54 am |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Agree, I just disagree about the details, sometimes. "Abraham" probably never existed, and most certainly was mythological. The "Abrahamic" religions can be traced, in certain ways to that myth, (which was put in written form from the oral traditions, (compiled from the MANY circulating in the area at the time, (ie floods, creation myths, etc.),to form a "national story" which was needed during a period of national "stress", (the Babylonian Exile). 😈

      December 14, 2011 at 10:56 am |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Sorry "quality". Got it. I thought of that after I pushed the "post". 😈

      December 14, 2011 at 10:58 am |
    • The quality of coffee is not filtered

      Bucky Ball, thanks for being willing to improve yourself. I find it hard to do, myself.
      If we had an English teacher moderating these blogs we'd all suffer, I think.
      Go ahead and post whatever. I'm just an irritable old cuss in the mornings before having coffee.

      December 14, 2011 at 11:53 am |
  15. sheetiron

    I really don't see the big deal. Mormonism is a cult. That's like saying you will offend the Jews by calling Judaism a religion.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    • William Demuth


      Explain why Mormonisim is a cult, and Christianity is not?

      All belief systems that have mortal men elevated to a super human status are cults.

      Be it the Mansons Family, The Roman Catholic Church, The Branch Davidians, The Sikhs, The Shia, Judaisim, they are ALL one and the same.

      Humans who worship other humans. How embarrasing for them!

      December 14, 2011 at 9:52 am |
  16. Salt lick

    If all religions are cults....then what are you?Don't tell me you don't have some belief on something....if you do...then your belief is alco a cult....I remember something...hmmmmm..let me recall....ah!A pot calling a kettle black.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:44 am |
    • William Demuth

      A lack of religious belief is not a religious belief.

      Unless you think bald is a hair color?

      December 14, 2011 at 9:48 am |
    • The quality of mercy is strained

      I believe I will have a cup of coffee and add some cocoa. Destroy all the unbelievers!!!...or you could just wait until I've had my coffee.
      Don't make me kill you before I've had my coffee, alright?

      December 14, 2011 at 10:01 am |
    • The quality of mercy is instant

      Death by caffeine is a very slow and drawn out process....!

      December 14, 2011 at 10:21 am |
  17. JohnQuest

    If this is the best that the Republicans can do I would like to Congratulate President Obama for his Second Term, starting in 2012.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:41 am |
    • AGuest9

      Actually, Huntsman is the best that they can do, but he still wants to give it all to the corporations.

      December 14, 2011 at 9:43 am |
    • Rev. Ted Johnson

      Alas, the Republican party has fallen away from Christian values even more than before in a bid to hide their racism against our President. I predict President Obama will win a second term quite easily even with all the disappointed voters who expected more change back in '08 after weighing the good works and intentions of Obama against what the GOP stands for.
      It may not be a landslide, but it is not going to be a close race. There are too many sensible people who do not approve of the clearly hateful lengths the Republican party has gone to since Obama was elected.

      December 14, 2011 at 11:34 am |
  18. William Demuth

    Jesus and Newt Gingrich

    A match made in hell.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:24 am |
  19. AtheistSteve

    It's a win/win for Newt. Making the statement cements favor from the evangelicals who actually believe that Mormonism is a cult(when in fact whichever the flavor of religion... they're all cults) while stepping down will pacify the moderates.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:18 am |
    • captain america

      canadian opinion counts for sh it on American issues. Mind your own business.

      December 14, 2011 at 9:26 am |
    • captain america

      canadian opinion counts for sh it on American issues. Mind your own business, canuck.

      December 14, 2011 at 9:26 am |
    • William Demuth


      It seems you have annoyed a red neck.

      Good Work!

      December 14, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • captain america

      The comment was repeated ,once for canadians , once for those who kiss canadian ass, willie.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:11 am |
    • Canada looks better every day

      captain america is a psychotic old woman. This is why we need universal health care!

      December 14, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • Canada looks better every day

      I mean she definitely needs proper medication, not that she needs to be kept alive or anything like that...

      December 14, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • captain america

      All the competent doctors are in America, canada health care comes with a box or burn option. Since you are kissing canadian ass You definitely need health care.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:15 am |
    • captain canuck eh

      captain america is kissing the asses of our stealth airforce team as they cr@p on his lawn with their advanced weaponry. Even our tur-dbirds have better healthcare than captain america.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:30 am |
    • Rev. Johnson

      Why not be a good American and honor our American allies and our American promises to those allies?
      Good Americans honor our friends. Canada is not our enemy. Countries like Iran are our enemies.
      Did some Canadian treat you badly? Why all the hate? Why not put the hate where it belongs – against our real enemies and why not leave your anger at Canada behind and fight for Truth, Justice, and the American Way by honoring our soldiers, our allies, and our American efforts to make the world a better place?
      Why be filled with hate for people who have done nothing to you?

      December 14, 2011 at 10:32 am |
    • captain america

      Fact ain't hate johnson. Get yourself a lot of listerine to wash the canadian butt taste out of your mouth. Read captain canuk eh, them canadians can't wait to butt into American business and territory. Wake up to reality and smell the poutine. We are building the fence on the wrong border, canadian evil intent is all over these blogs.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:37 am |
    • captain canuck eh

      captain america clearly is very familiar with the "butt taste" since he has been eating the tu-rds from our stealth airforce after he lost his job and healthcare.

      December 14, 2011 at 10:47 am |
    • Rev. Johnson

      captain america, you are putting your soul in danger and risking all that Jesus has done for you. Repent of your sins. Do not risk being sent to HELL by our Lord and Savior! Talk with your pastor about Canada. See God's Truth and Mercy and accept Jesus into your heart. Jesus cannot live in a heart filled with hate. Jesus died for you. Is this how you thank Him?

      December 14, 2011 at 11:00 am |
    • captain america

      Rev. johnson Fact is not hate, you are either a total ass hole, a canadian or both.

      December 14, 2011 at 2:16 pm |
  20. It is what it is

    All religions are cults. Anyone who cannot understand this are just ignorant of what the word means.
    Mormonism is a fringe cult used as a business network and as justification for all sorts of tomfoolery just like most cults.
    Christianity is a cult with thousands of sub-cults. Judaism is a cult with sub-cults. Islam is a cult with sub-cults.
    Just calling it "religion" and the sub-cults "sects" does not change the fact that these are all cults.

    December 14, 2011 at 9:16 am |
    • Rev. Ted Johnson

      I don't mind my religion being called a cult.
      What matters is how people view others and how that effects their treatment of others.
      Some cults can do good works. Many do not.
      I invite everyone to seek the truth and judge for yourselves what makes a cult good or bad.
      When you see that individuals are the ones that make all the difference, you'll see that labels don't mean much.

      December 14, 2011 at 11:38 am |
    • It is what it is

      Good post. I pretty much agree with you. Labels distract from the real issues and their underlying causes.
      However, I was just trying to stay on topic, too. Would you say that your delusions are cause for concern or not?
      I would say they are cause for concern when they can be used to justify any behavior.
      Why not stop being a priest and join the real world? Seek the truth of your religious beliefs and find that they are based on myth and lies. What of your faith then? It becomes a habit of mind that leads to nonsensical results.
      I invite you to use logic in examining your own faith. Is that not something you are willing to do?

      December 14, 2011 at 11:49 am |
    • HeavenSent

      It is what IT is, Jesus’ truth is used for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Remind me again what the atheists are instructing anyone in this world how to get to righteous living.

      You folks are fools.


      December 14, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
    • Kong George I

      HeavenSent, a lot of atheists follow the Golden Rule. It's older than your religion. Are you familiar with it? If so, why do you think Jesus' teachings are better?

      December 14, 2011 at 12:36 pm |
    • rick

      Spend a lot of time on your knees, HeavenSent? Perhaps Jesus will appreciate it with you worshipping (servicing) him for eternity

      December 14, 2011 at 1:55 pm |
    • rick

      HeavenSent: You are a pompous fool if you feel you have ANY authority to instruct others in "righteous living"

      December 14, 2011 at 2:10 pm |
    • @HeavenSent

      That's carnal.

      December 14, 2011 at 3:33 pm |
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