My Take: When Bedford Falls Becomes Pottersville
December 24th, 2011
03:00 AM ET

My Take: When Bedford Falls Becomes Pottersville

Editor's note: Larry Alex Taunton is the founder and executive director of the Fixed Point Foundation. This article is adapted from his book “The Grace Effect: How the Power of One Life Can Reverse the Corruption of Unbelief.”

By Larry Alex Taunton, Special to CNN

(CNN) - My favorite Christmas movie is, unquestionably, Frank Capra’s 1946 feel-good flick "It’s a Wonderful Life." Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed play George and Mary Bailey, a happy couple living a life of genteel poverty in the small American town of Bedford Falls.

George is a kind and generous man. He is active in his community and in the war effort. Most importantly, George is all that stands between the town’s mean old man, Mr. Potter, and the demise of all that is good in Bedford Falls.

As financial pressures crowd in on poor George, he begins to question his value to the community. So much so, that he wishes he had never been born. To demonstrate to George the folly of his wish, an angel is sent to give him a glimpse of what Bedford Falls would look like if that wish were granted. In Dickensian fashion, the angel takes him from one scene in that small town to another. The difference is stark. Indeed, Bedford Falls isn’t even Bedford Falls anymore, but a place called Pottersville. The town’s main street is a red-light district, crime is rampant, and life there is coarsened.

When George, in desperation, turns to the angel, seeking an explanation for these drastic changes, the angel says, “Why, George, it’s because you were never born!”

According to a recent poll conducted by The Hill, 69% of voters think America is in decline, and 83% say they are worried about the country’s future. And that has generated a lot of finger-pointing: Republicans blame President Obama; Obama blames Republicans; environmentalists blame industrialization; the “Occupy” people blame everybody who isn’t occupying something - most of us agree that there is a problem, but efforts to identify the source of it are incomplete, misguided or downright evil.

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The problems of human society are the problems of human nature, wrote "Lord of the Flies" author William Golding. Indeed. This was the discovery of the monastics. Seeking to escape the evil of the world, they found instead a doctrine central to Christianity: that evil is innate to us all. History tells us that a given philosophy, creed or religion will either restrain our darker impulses or exacerbate them, but escape them we cannot. Not in this life, anyway.

So what will save us from ourselves and preserve human dignity and life in the societies we create? Democracy? Socialism? Stitching up the ozone?

These days, there is a lot of talk about religion - Christianity in particular - and its role in public life. Whether it is protesting Nativities, the debate over “In God We Trust” as our country’s motto or the controversy surrounding the public faith of Tim Tebow, a national discussion is taking place on what the present and future role of Christianity in America should be. The consensus among the secular elites seems to be that it is a bit like smoking: It is harmful, but if you must do it, do it in the designated areas only. Richard Dawkins, the Oxford scientist and atheist provocateur, calls Christianity a “mental virus” that should be eradicated.

The professor should be more careful in what he wishes for. Like many others, he grossly underestimates the degree to which his own moral and intellectual sensibilities have been informed by the Judeo-Christian worldview.

"It’s a Wonderful Life" is a fitting metaphor for a nation absent Christian belief. Jesus Christ said that his followers were to be like “salt”; that is, a people whose presence is felt for the good that they do. As a man or woman’s evil nature is gentled and restrained by the grace of God, there is a corresponding outward transformation of society. The data bears this out. According to the research of The Barna Group, Christians are the most charitable segment of the population by a substantial margin. Hence, any society that is liberally sprinkled with them has a greater concern for the poor, sick, orphaned and widowed - “the least of these,” as Jesus called them. (This is precisely what Nietzsche, and Hitler after him, hated about Christianity.)

But Christian influence goes well beyond benevolence: Our laws, art, literature and institutions find meaning in a rich Christian heritage. In his new book "Civilization: The West and the Rest," Harvard historian Niall Ferguson argues that the decline of the West can, in part, be attributed to the decline of a robust Christian presence in Western culture. Ferguson’s point is largely an economic one, but the inference that Christianity has served to strengthen the fabric of life in the West as we have known it is unmistakable. T.S. Eliot made a similar observation: “If Christianity goes, the whole of our culture goes.”

That is just another way of saying that the difference between a nation with meaningful Christian influence and a nation without it is the difference between Bedford Falls and Pottersville.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Larry Alex Taunton.

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Filed under: Christianity • Christmas • Church and state

soundoff (3,025 Responses)
  1. CRC

    Why are you democrats so ungodly and such hate filled control freaks? If your life is so miserable do something about it and get Jesus!

    December 24, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
    • Wesley

      My friend your testimony may be more affective if you were less antagonistic.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:59 pm |
    • doug flynn

      How can you say Liberals?Democrats are hate-filled? We don't care if you want religion ,just don't the rest of us what to do .Also,stop saying ,"It's Jesus ", every time an image of a face appears on a piece of toast or pizza. You don't have a clue as to what he looks like except of the one that looks like Brad Pitt with long hair.Christians =Fishbowl life

      December 25, 2011 at 12:06 am |
    • doug flynn

      The POPE was a member of HITLER'S WAR MACHINE and served in the GERMAN WERMACHT

      December 25, 2011 at 12:33 am |
  2. Steve the Goat

    What this country needs to understand is that there is no god. We are not a christian nation. Read your history books, the founding fathers were not a bunch of jesus freaks. Deists yes for some, christians no. Religion IS a mental illness. The fact that god freaks will say belief in santa claus, the easter bunny, and the tooth fairy is foolish yet in the next sentence will say how the space ghost has blessed them.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • CRC

      Basically everything you said was wrong. Why don't you do some reading?

      December 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
    • Katharine

      Basically everything Steve said is right. @CRC, why don't you do some reading?

      December 25, 2011 at 12:54 am |
  3. Joe Rioux

    "As a man or woman’s evil nature is gentled and restrained by the grace of God, there is a corresponding outward transformation of society. The data bears this out..."

    Yah, sure. It was the "grace of God" that was responsible for the Inquisition and the Crusades. And a thousand years of bloody religious wars during the Middle Ages. The data bear out that the more religion is used to control public policy, the worse things are.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • kj

      signed Adolph Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot

      December 25, 2011 at 12:32 am |
  4. Lexicon

    The main reason why caring for the sick, poor and wealthy in the USA is (supposedly) the domain of Christians is because, in the USA, it's charity. In other Western countries, it's _policy_, and the domain of a government that is democratically elected by a society that usually is _less_ Christian than the USA. So don't say "we need more Christian influence in public life" – say "we need more people to care, regardless what religion or ideology they draw it from".

    December 24, 2011 at 11:43 pm |
    • Jeff

      My friend, I totally agree.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
    • CRC

      God is the source of all good. Every good and perfect gift is from above.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • JustDad

      The Soviet Union- Athiest government, CAPITAL OF CHARITY IN THE WORLD, HAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAH your stupid if you think Charity Originates with mandatory taxation. The opposite is true. Force people to pay higher taxes to be their brothers keeper and you will drive all charitable instinct from them. You will grow a cold and unfeeling population who expects"these things" to be taken care of by the government, instead of a local population who takes matters of hope and charity into their own hands.

      December 25, 2011 at 12:04 am |
    • doug flynn

      CRC – How can you really say GOD is ,"ABOVE"? How can you really be sure of that on Christmas , that was, by the way ,Invented by a 5th Century pope?No one truly knows what day Jesus was supposedly born, so a .HOLY Father picked today's date .Kinda funny

      December 25, 2011 at 12:12 am |
  5. Jeepers

    Hmm...I watched it tonight noticed that Potter reminds me of the supposedly "Christian" GOP stance on welfare. They're just Christians in disguise...hoarding their pennies, just like Potter.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:33 pm |
    • CRC

      So your on welfare right? Why don't you get a job or are you part of the so called "99%"? haha

      December 24, 2011 at 11:54 pm |
    • JustDad

      That's funny, i was just thinking that all of the people I know at my companies credit Union are republicans and the company is doing much better than Barney Frank's Fannie or freddie. Potter reminds me more of the Democrats, promising the world to George to buy him out when there is trouble (likely caused by Potter behind the scenes) or buy out worried voters for pennies on the dollar to orchestrate a "take over" or "bail out". Athiests seem to grivitate to the Democrat party, do you think it is the similarity to potter's red light district mainstreet? Wonder what the tax rate in Pottersville was? Leave Reid in a while longer and you'll see.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:58 pm |
    • doug flynn

      JUSTDAD- It seems that anyone that disagrees with a ,"Believer", is an atheist. Yet, it is YOU that has more in common with an atheist .Both groups are %100 percent sure of their beliefs ,only on different sides of the spectrum.

      December 25, 2011 at 12:42 am |
  6. kamana

    Religion was started in ancient India while india was still a solid part of south africa/pangea by gangsters who sought to enslave the indian female and their children by claiming that God had commanded that ‘every woman had to have a man (husband) and every child had to have a master (father)’. When the women refused to comply the men attacked them and their children, eventually forcing the women to capitulate and become slaves. Religion, than, is just another word for gangsterism and enslavement of the human female and their children the primary intent.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:27 pm |
    • Jim

      What utter baloney.

      I'm an atheist and even I know your story is just fantasy.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:40 pm |
    • JustDad

      Lay off the eggnog.

      December 25, 2011 at 12:00 am |
  7. doug flynn

    Christianity =Right-Wing = F*#K the poor =Mr.Potter =thePope =charge$25 to get into the Vatican =THE RATLINE(Google) =self-righteous anti-choice for the preservation of life= but,hands off my guns that kill children = God can help out with the worlds problems because he's too busy helping Tim Tebow get first downs so he can sign a $$$BIGGER contract = If people really believe my last quote then people are really stupid and that GOD SUCKS=RELIGION HAS BEEN THE CAUSE OF MORE DEATH THAN ALL WARS COMBINDED = Who married ADAM and EVE = Who was Jesus's mother married to = why is it when you see ADAM and EVE in pictures they have Belly-buttons TAH DAH

    December 24, 2011 at 11:25 pm |
    • Wesley

      you have a truly dizzying intelect

      December 24, 2011 at 11:28 pm |
    • Lulz

      If it really was Adam and Eve then we are all byproducts of incest.

      Plus, why are Adam and Eve always white? And why do they have English names in the first place???


      December 24, 2011 at 11:29 pm |
    • doug

      Wesley=thank you =I hope I amused you=but,you spelled ,Intellect wrong

      December 24, 2011 at 11:47 pm |
    • Joe Rioux

      doug, I just love that you use as one of your data points the fact that medieval paintings of Adam and Eve have belly buttons. You are hilarious. Do you think those paintings are photographic proof? Next you'll tell me you think Jesus, a Semitic man, had long blond hair–because you saw it in a painting. Love it!

      December 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm |
    • Wesley

      haha yeah I was being lazy. Also it was a Princess Bride joke... if you haven't seen it you should haha

      December 24, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
  8. Michael Welle

    If you look at "Back to the Future Part II", the scene when Marty and Doc return to 1985 (and see "Biffco") from 2015 has almost a shot by shot homage to "It's a Wonderful Life" dream sequence at the end.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:18 pm |
  9. Philtration

    Yes, when things are not going your way just lean on your imaginary friend.
    I will stick to reality and being a man when dealing with the world and leave the magic and fairytales to the children.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:15 pm |
    • Friend

      awe being like a kid is ok... kindness and magical thinking stimulate the imagination which leads to innovation... it's the root of what gives us our humanity...

      December 24, 2011 at 11:23 pm |
  10. unowhoitsme

    The US has become Pottersville, no doubt. Bedford Falls is a thing of the past, unfortunately. Heartbreaking.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
    • progress

      Except for blacks, gays, women, etc.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:39 pm |
    • Joe Rioux

      Nice bigotry, "progress". Well done.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
    • Katharine

      I am a woman. Society has sucked less for us the more progress we've made. There is still much work to be done though.

      December 25, 2011 at 12:59 am |
  11. Jeff

    Very interesting analysis, I totally agree that whether you agree with it or not Christianity presents plenty of opportunities to maintain a caring and generous personality (legitimate New Testament teachings not the ridiculous right wing "Christian").

    December 24, 2011 at 11:08 pm |
  12. Bob

    Why are all athiest's so mad? Don't worry be happy.

    December 24, 2011 at 11:07 pm |
    • miguel

      the atheist are mad because invariable some scripture babbling idiot will impinge on the freedoms of others, if you dont beleive me just try to be an atheist in Saudia Arabia, see what happens, if you dont beleive me read back to what happened to people who would even deviate from the prescrived dogma of the "holy mother church", if you dont beleive me read the accounts of what the muslim did to the christians AND vice versa in croation only a decade ago.

      How could an atheist NOT be mad?

      December 24, 2011 at 11:11 pm |
    • Doug

      Bob, are you actually serious? Do you REALLY wonder why a group of people would object when someone like Mr. Taunton claims that their very existence is causing the downfall of everything good in our society? When those people stand up and say to him, "Hello?... We'd appreciate it if you would allow us the same freedom of (or from) religion that we allow you", are you REALLY going to be so childish as to say to them, "Why are you so angry?". I mean REALLY Bob?

      December 24, 2011 at 11:48 pm |
    • Joe Rioux

      Atheists are mad because you don't know how to use an apostrophe.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:53 pm |
    • Parry

      Skied Boulder Basin on Saturday, March 26th. A surprisingly sunny and nice spirng day. We went up the climbers right side of the basin. Snow was really good on the shady north facing slopes. All others had some temperature or sun effect, but still decent skiing. The road in was also in the best shape all year. It was a very quiet day as well. Heard some snowmobile noise around mid day. They were riding across the valley, on the South facing slopes above Mullan. I have never noticed that you can still hear the noise when they are riding in that area.

      June 26, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
  13. seamus

    of course the ridiculous premise of this article is that George Bailey represents christian pieties, when in fact it is Mr Potter who embodies all of the teachings and beliefs of contemporary right-wing religious zealotry.
    And quoting Niall Ferguson?? Really? Pretty much the most discredited "historian" working. Nice job.

    December 24, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • Bill Gilman

      Seamus I am so sick to death of people equating Chistianity and Christians with right wing politics!!! The two have nothing to do with one another. Just because someone calls themselves a Christian does not mean they are one.... this article is actually VERY accurate about Christian ideals and what the Bible teaches. So please stop assuming that the right wing morons that call themselves Christians (see, Michel Bachman) are actually Christian .... true Christians do not possess venom in their speech and thoughts.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:09 pm |
    • miguel

      @ Bill

      Bill, what the bible teaches us? have you ever read leviticus? lets see, kill all the women and children, its ok to have slaves, AND beat them, its ok to beat your wife, etc. If those are christian beleifs, i vote they be made a crime

      December 24, 2011 at 11:13 pm |
    • Joe Rioux

      Bill Gilman: If you "good Christians" are so sick of the people spouting hatred in Jesus's name, then *do* something about it. Don't stand silent and let it happen. You have a responsibility to your religion to act. When you do not act, the only voices the public hears are the voices of hatred.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:56 pm |


    December 24, 2011 at 10:46 pm |
    • Robert in Seattle

      I LOVE them. Citizen Cane, Mutiny on the Bounty, Casablanca....Classics all......

      December 24, 2011 at 11:48 pm |



      December 25, 2011 at 12:25 am |
  15. dreucalypt

    Pottersville is just America under the Republicans.

    December 24, 2011 at 10:01 pm |
    • Chris

      Post of the Year.

      December 24, 2011 at 10:55 pm |
    • miguel

      yes, totally on point

      December 24, 2011 at 11:14 pm |
  16. liz

    The Flying Spagetti monster told me that the real reason for society's demise is the reduction in the amount of pirates. Ihave been touched by his noodly appendage!
    and there is as much proof of his existence and power as there is of the God and Jesus.
    The entire premise that the world and American society is in decline is a joke. Women, minorities, children and yes, even white men have better quality of life than we have ever had in the history of the world. We live decades longer and with less illness. We are not watching half our children die of preventable disease. We do not worry about being hung from trees or being trapped in abusive marriages in teh name of morality. Celebrate the goo of modern society and stop crying for a dreamy past that never existed.

    December 24, 2011 at 9:20 pm |
    • liz

      good, not goo, my keyboard has goo in it.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:21 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      Why is your keyboard slathered in manchowder?

      December 24, 2011 at 9:41 pm |
    • Fordham Jock

      The reason for the decline in Western Civilization is that you ladies are bleaching your hair blond. We all know that according to the logic that most people were Christians during it's rise, we also know the majority of people were also brunettes. The fact that the rise of bleaching coincides with the Decline of the West, tells me, undoubtedly, that the bleached blond it THE cause for the decline. So there. 😉

      December 24, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • Bob Hope's Ghost

      all hail the flying spaghetti monster! Ramen!

      December 24, 2011 at 11:49 pm |
    • Joe Rioux

      Love your post, liz. Well said, and any reference to the F.S.M. is always welcome. And I like the "goo" correction.

      December 25, 2011 at 12:00 am |
  17. Chrism

    Among the many lessons of Bethlehem, God loves us, is with us, and may well be not what some expected. Even when we fail to make room for Him, He finds some. Merry Christmas to all.

    December 24, 2011 at 8:58 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess



      December 24, 2011 at 9:18 pm |
    • Chrism

      Um, Ben stiller is an actor. He acts happy and sad. I'm smart. Lol

      December 24, 2011 at 10:26 pm |
  18. Brad Feaker

    Let's not forget the other wonderful things Christianity hath wrought...the Dark Ages, the Crusades, the Inquisition, pedophile priests, science denial – I could go on and on but what is the point. I suppose we will all end up like those Scandinavian countries who enjoy universal health care, high standards of living, low crime rates and better mental health than we do...oh wait – those countries are secular and over 80% atheist. Nice theory but it just doesn't stand up to actual evidence. However, religion has never placed any great emphasis on silly things like facts. What a load of tripe...

    December 24, 2011 at 8:33 pm |
    • Chrism

      Or the crimes atheism has wrought. And the shining examples of atheist countries under Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin. And we should add the nazis and Mussolini, as Hitler gave a gift of the complete writings of Nietzsche to Mussolini. But unlike those ideologies which were directly tied to atheism, pedophiles, science denial and the torture of the inquisition are directly opposed to Jesus' teaching. Once again only showing the real truth – humans have a propensity for violence, and peace comes from truly following the teachings of God.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm |
    • David

      Sadly being an atheist means I cannot post my last name. Lest I be fired by a boss who
      has said as much. But the Idea that the theism leads to a better country is utter bull. I think we have
      had enough (in recent memory) examples of heavily religious groups and countries and what it ends up doing
      to the peoples of those countries. And while the religious pound the drums and point at atheists as monsters,
      they will never and can never look at its own history. Remember Science gave us Jet planes, religion gave us jet planes flown into buildings. Scandinavian countries have it right, 80% Atheist and the highest living conditions in the world. While the most devout and theistic countries have the lowest. Nuff said It's tripetastic bull and the author had any sense he'd pull this piece.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
    • liz

      Hitler was a Christian, and used Christianity to justify and spread his messages of hate. Christianity made it easier for him to destroy non Christians. Mussolini

      As far as the other dictators you listed, that has nothing to do with the beliefs of atheism they used communism to gain their power and if they had chosen they could have committed the same crimes in the name of Christianity, many kings did so when leading the crusades and the Inquisition, or murdering native Americans in the name of Christ. Religion does not create instant peace and tolerance, lack of religion does not indicate lack of peace and tolerance. In fact most atheists I know have read more of the Bible than most Christians I know.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:28 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      Hey there Chrism, better get your facts straight before you post again. You have repeatedly made yourself look stupid. It's painful to watch. You're like Ben Stiller fumbling everything. The difference is that you aren't acting. And that is truly sad.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:38 pm |
    • Chrism

      David, your boss would fire you? I'm sure you know that would be illegal in the US. Why argue whether Christianity would make a better country? There other articles right on CNN giving the proof. You ignore the original poster (and you) take up the pounding of anti-Christian drums. I merely gave counter examples. How utterly disingenuous to call that pounding a drum. Just when I thought you couldn't get more disingenuous you want us to believe that science is atheist? Better take that up with newton, Kepler and LeMaitre. Oh and the wright brothers. And now you bring in terrorists to religion? They were denounced by Christians AND Muslims.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:39 pm |
    • Chrism

      Liz, hitler found Christianity expedient. He privately denounced it as weak, read and lived by Nietzsche, murdered Catholics as well as Jews, planned to build the state church of the third reich. You can point to his baptism or Christian emblems on the army soldiers, but nazi ideology was not Christian. And the rest is exactly my point, the crimes committed by others do not spring from Christianity. But certainly there are ties in Stalin bulldozing catholic churches to his atheism.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:44 pm |
    • Chrism

      Fairy, speak for yourself. I don't think you look very smart when all you post is incoherent insults and cant even make a response to anything I said.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:46 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      Since when have I posted anything incoherent? You're capable of reading, right? Have I written in another language that you do not understand?

      Like I said, get your facts straight before posting any more of your trash. Stupidity isn't worth wasting the time debunking when it's already been done a thousand times before. Your move, numbnuts.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:50 pm |
    • Chrism

      Fairy, still pure incoherence, still no response. An insult is incoherent when you can't even show anything coherent to back it up. At least mudslinging politicians come up with something coherent. Make a coherent statement. Say anything tangible other than "wrong, stupid and I said stupid wrong.".

      December 24, 2011 at 9:52 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      Oh jesus christ. Stupidity prevents people from doing research I see. Here, take a look at some factual information for a change:


      Oh please, tell us all where you received this scholarly information regarding hitler's "private" feelings.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:57 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      By the way, is that coherent enough for you? Coherent.

      Was it coherent? COHERENT. Was coherent COHERENT enough for coherence? Let's see how many times I can use the word "coherent" to try to sidestep the fact you don't know anything about the conversation. WAS IT COHERENT?

      Educate yourself. You won't look like such a moron next time.

      December 24, 2011 at 9:59 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      That was easy,.

      Bye bye then.

      December 24, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
    • Chrism

      The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

      And yes, thank you that was a coherent point worth discussing rather than a pointless insult like "Ben stiller is an actor. Sometimes he acts happy. People can be happy or sad. You are stupid. I'm right."

      December 24, 2011 at 10:11 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

      Let me elaborate, since you're a cherry picker. If you actually do the RESEARCH, you'll find that hitler was against organized christianity, but he believed in jesus. He believed god was backing him and the nazi party. He was openly and outwardly spiteful of the christian church. The nazi party destroyed many churches. The bottom line was that hitler was in FACT a christian.

      Did I mention, you have absolutely no bloody idea what it is you're talking about?

      Please tell me you didn't go to college.

      December 24, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
    • Jesus the Fairy Sky Hostess

      But seriously. I'm out of here. It was nice laughing at you. Not with you. Enjoy your holiday, fumbling mr. stiller.

      December 24, 2011 at 10:18 pm |
    • Chrism

      Fairy, actually the links I provided prove what I said. And you what, you don't need a link to know that nazi ideology obviously does not spring from the teaching of Jesus Christ. If Hitler believed the Jews were enemies, and followed Christ, he would have prayed for them. And on that note I offer your asinine insults and foul language to God and may He have mercy on you. You only demonstrate your ignorance and arrogance by your language.

      December 24, 2011 at 10:25 pm |
    • Bill Gilman

      Really Brad? Christianity is responsible for those atrocities you mention? where in the New Testament does Jesus or the apostles say you should molest children or murder people or engage in war? Ummm, that would be nowhere. Christianity is not responsible for those things .... people, flawd sinful people are responsible ....

      December 24, 2011 at 11:05 pm |
    • Spaztron

      I love the fact that people always say "lets not forget about what the crusades brought us" the big trump card......did you learn that in college? WOW so did I. Stop repeating what some college proffesor told you. Have your own mind. So what your saying is Christian societies are always crap. so lets compare some others that where not Christian. The Greeks where so great. The Romans now thats the model we should look for. How about the french after the revolution, they got rid of the church. Hilter was a great exapmle of a non religious state. Maybe Russia. China.... Probelm is that you dont have a better example of anything better than this country and if those other countries are so great move there. Nothing is stopping you. As things get worse remember that you should never pray for them to get better (even when your by yourself.) beacause we humans have done such a great job without God....... When I see a man spray an old lady with gas and light her on fire in an elevator the first thing say, at least we dont pray in this country because that would be way worse. The evil that must come from praying. Oh thats right you probably dont believe in evil. That mans action was just a random chemical reaction RIGHT! not really his fault. The fact is you have no foundation for your truth. You just make it up as you go along. Case law whatever the majority feels is right, cant wait until that day comes. Just hope your not on the 49% side when its life or death. So live life with no rules things will only get better. but just remember your just replacing God with yourself so good luck with that. Your all there is baby.

      December 24, 2011 at 11:36 pm |
    • doug flynn

      Bill Gilman – Any time something works out for the better ,like Capt Sullenberger landing his jet on the Hudson ,the Christians put their stamp on it and claim responsibility ,saying ,'IT'S GOD ,SHINING DOWN FROM HEAVEN ABOVE WITH A MIRACLE". Yet, whenever something evil happens ,In the name of Christianity, then it falls on the shoulders of people and that GOD is nowhere to be found.You self-righteous a**holes

      December 25, 2011 at 3:24 pm |
  19. Really-O?

    Come on folks...let's put our collective noses to the grindstone and get this whole "God exists / god doesn't exist" thing hashed out tonight. We still have a few more hours to come to a conclusion or else we'll have to admit we haven't solved it in 2011 years. I hate to admit defeat!

    December 24, 2011 at 8:12 pm |
  20. *frank*

    George Bailey was a ratfink communist pig!

    December 24, 2011 at 7:35 pm |
    • rizzo

      Mr Potter=Koch Brothers
      Simple as that.

      December 24, 2011 at 8:52 pm |
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