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December 30th, 2011
02:01 PM ET

Fox apologizes to Jews for poll on who murdered Jesus

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Fox Latin America has pulled and apologized for an online poll that asked who was responsible for Jesus’ death and included Jews as a possible response.

The poll had been posted on a Facebook page for National Geographic Cable TV in Latin America as part of a promotional effort for a Christmas special on the channel, according to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish group.

The National Geographic Channel in Latin America is a member of Fox International Channels, part of News Corp.

“Christmas Special is coming to Nat Geo… Who do you think responsible for the death of Jesus?” the Spanish-language poll asked, according to the Wiesenthal Center.

The multiple-choice responses were “Pontius Pilate; The Jewish People; the High Priests.”

On Wednesday, the Wiesenthal Center announced that the National Geographic Channel in Latin America had removed the poll and apologized for it.

"We sincerely apologize for the publication of a poll on our website that might have unintentionally given place to interpretations, opinions or expressions of intolerance that might affect the Jewish community," Fox Latin America’s vice president for corporate communications and PR said in a statement.

“This would contradict the mission and spirit of National Geographic worldwide, which focuses on education for diversity through shows questioning our world,” said the vice president, Guadalupe Lucero.

"We have also taken appropriate measures to prevent such incidents in the future,” he said.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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soundoff (1,653 Responses)
  1. Tom

    There IS a lot of shallowness and fakery in established religion. Finding Christ is a matter of seeking. "Seek and you shall find" –Jesus's own words. Seeking is merely a matter of wanting to seek. In my experience, He was alive in the 4 gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and the remainder of the bible, especially the Old Testament (which pertains 99.9% to Jewish history and Judaism) is auxiliary material. So it doesn't take a lot of effort to find Him. But Oh is the effort WORTH IT, as a whole new world, dimensionally greater than THIS world, opens up to he/she who seeks.

    December 31, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
  2. Josh

    Jesus was a beautiful black Jewish man. If you think any different...you are just a fool 🙂

    December 31, 2011 at 12:51 pm |
    • Tom

      I think I sense your angle. And it is true that a lot of religious people are racists. This is because Christ, for the most part, stands outside the church. A prophet had a vision of Christ in our times. In that vision Christ told him, "Behold, I stand outside, at the door and knock. If any man hear my voice and opens the door, then I will come in and visit with him and he with Me".
      While not all established religion is fake and composed of hypocrites, much of it is. This is to be expected though, as Christ said, "Narrow and straight is the path that leads to life and few there be that find it, but wide and easy is the path that leads to destruction". This readily explains how a "Christian nation" could support a war based on lies and how many religious people are racist.

      December 31, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
    • AngryJew

      America is as Christian a nation as Israel is a Jewish state. Neither one holds true to the ideals under which they hide.

      December 31, 2011 at 4:05 pm |
  3. doug

    "The poll had been posted on a Facebook page for National Geographic Cable TV in Latin America"

    yet GWB, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh must be put into ovens for this according to each and every Democrat.

    National Socialists need not a valid reason to exterminate their opposition, every decent person who has at least some goodness in their heart must remember next November, the lives of millions are depending on it.

    December 31, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
  4. marty

    Jesus was sent to the world to die for the sins of man, so that man could have salvation and have a path to heaven. Jews do not believe in heaven. More than Christ's actual death is the lesson that needs to be learned from his crucifixion. The Sanhedrin, who were corrupt and were permissive of the money changers, who did their business in the Temple itself. When Jesus chased the money changers from the temple, he threatened a very profitable business for many people. After that, they were out to get him. When Judas betrayed Jesus, he betrayed him for money, he was handed over to the Sanhedrin, who brought him to Harod, who himself was a tyrant. When Harod refused to pass judgement on Jesus he was brought to Pontius Pilot who also , at first refused to crucify Jesus. When given an opportunity to choose who the Romans would crucify, Barrabas or Jesus, the Jews chose Jesus. The Jews were responsible for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The reason the historical aspect of the story is so important is because today we have a similar situation where corruption rules the world. Isn't it funny that the Jews are still the money changers today? Christians today seem to be so timid to offend the Jews, and I think that money is at the root of the situation, especially in the media and politics. I myself am a Jew and I believe that the Jews were responsible fr the crucifixion. I, personally , am sorry about it. To deny it would be the same thing as denying that Herod was a tyrant

    December 31, 2011 at 12:39 pm |
  5. It's all a scam

    If Jesus died for our sins, then he wanted it and intended it right from the start. Therefore, his "murder" was a set-up that he himself arranged, a suicide that wasn't because as a God he would not really die, and knew it. So the whole thing is a fraud intended to demand your loyalty and obedience with this intentional guilt trip.

    For what death is lighter and more meaningless than the one Jesus "died." Knowing you are not really dying takes most of the horror out of death. You only have a bit of pain, and billions of people have been through as bad if not worse. If Jesus was really a god, his death was a fraud, a cheap mainpulation.

    Christians lack all critical thinking skills, or they would have long ago recognized that what they believe makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    December 31, 2011 at 12:05 pm |
    • AngryJew

      According to some sources Jesus did really exist and he was really crucified. From what I can tell, crucifixion was a very painful and long process.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:17 pm |
    • Eric G

      @AngryJew: It is not the death or even the existence of Jesus that I question. That could be proved. It's the divine part that all believers seem to have a problem producing any verifiable evidence in support of their claims.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Perhaps Jesus did live. There is no way to truly verify that. It would have been helpful if the Romans, who were very good at recording things, would have actually mentioned him. You would think that all the uproar about his final days that was recorded in the bible would have found it's way into Roman records, had it actually occurred.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:35 pm |
    • fred

      tallulah13
      Why would that be? Pilate blew it and was in big trouble. Pilate was under the control of the local Jewish Priests as well as Rome. Recall he wanted to free Jesus and offered the Jews a way out. The Roman Guards, Jews and Pilate had cause to cover it all up. The Romans were further fearful of the spread of Christianity and as with the Jews persecuted anyone that would claim Jesus was anything but a kook. Even the Apostles hide out after they crucified and did not step out until later when the Holy Spirit came upon them. Saul of Tarsus a Roman was commissioned by the Jews and condoned by Romans to kill and torture any that claimed Jesus.
      This is why there is little written by the Romans. It is also the pattern of God to hide his face from those that seek with wrong intention. God likes to keep faith separate from hard science and materialism

      December 31, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      So, fred, are you now saying your alledged god entered into a conspiracy with the Romans to remove most/all evidence of jesus, so that his mysterious ways could continue? Why does it seem your god always does things the hard way? If he actually existed and wanted people to believe in him, don't you think he could have done a much better job of establishing his existence and showing up "in the flesh" just a little more often? Or by saving a few thousand innocents rather than mucking about with 1 or 2 at a time? Or, here's a novel thought, by not allowing so much suffering in the first place?

      December 31, 2011 at 1:08 pm |
    • Tom

      His dying was a symbolic gesture for the Jews. Being a Jew, He couldn't ignore them, and they had a long-standing prophecy that a sacrificial lamb had to be slaughtered for their sins to be forgivin. As all modern people know, including most if not all Jews, killing some other creature cannot make a person any better. But it had been written in their sacred books and thus He satisfied their needs. Its importance is WAY overblown. Christ's life was really about teaching us how to live our lives and how to know His father. "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth." This is one of his greatest promises. The knowledge that some day the warmongers and haters will be extinct brings me unspeakable joy. Or "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God". This is a far cry from the so-called religious right, many of whom couldn't wait for their leader to send his armada to Iraq to kill a bunch of innocent people. The real Christ is there, alive in the words of the New Testament. All you need is a desire to find Him.

      December 31, 2011 at 1:20 pm |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      “are you now saying your alledged god entered into a conspiracy with the Romans to remove most/all evidence of jesus, so that his mysterious ways could continue?”
      =>No, explaining why there was little written at that time by secular and Jews alike.
      “ Why does it seem your god always does things the hard way?”
      =>As to crucifixion it was to fulfill prohpacy Scripture to the chosen ones and pay the penalty of sin which was death. It is finished all who seek are welcome to join Christ.
      “don't you think he could have done a much better job of establishing his existence”
      =>Once again the creation demanding tricks from God or for God to appear as the creation expects. That is called a man made god that comes as we expect and demand. Just as the Jews rejected Christ as they expected a royal strong handsome King in the line of David that would smash the Roman Empire with a sword. Jesus revealed the loving God who was not the god people demanded.
      “showing up "in the flesh" just a little more often?”
      =>Jesus would receive the same treatment today by the same types as then.
      “novel thought, by not allowing so much suffering in the first place?”
      =>Suffering in the worse case may last 30years what is that relative to an eternity but a speck of time then never shows on the radar. When a women is in labor it seems forever yet is replaced with joy. In your case you claim nothingness after death so in a little while it will be nothing to you. In a believers case it will not be remembered either. It is a short speck of time here on earth yet in that short spec your soul is revealed for what it truly is. Your heart is revealed in pain and pleasure, desire for God or rejection of God. I think it is amazing how God allows free will unbound in man to either bring him to God or reveal that which willnot be changed. If you were going to evolve a heavenly people that would present holiness and love by their own free will we could never devise such a perfect process of salvation. Let’s look at the perfection of the design not our limited wishes.

      December 31, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
  6. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    To know Jesus is to know Truth

    December 31, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • Anon

      Irrational lies is more like it.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:15 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The Followers of Christ church in Portland is proof that prayer doesn't work. They have a graveyard full of children that proves that a doctor is more effective than god.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
  7. Anon

    So much nonsense over a non-historical fictional character that only exists in the collective imagination of the Christians.
    The mo-fo (pun intended) known as Jesus never existed in the first place.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUVXEmJRGns

    December 31, 2011 at 11:33 am |
    • AngryJew

      I am pretty sure that a rabbi named Jesus did really exist.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:21 pm |
    • tallulah13

      There is certainly a possibility that a radical rabbi named Jesus did exist. However, there is no solid proof that he did and no proof whatsoever that any of the "miracles" of the bible actually occurred.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:23 pm |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

    That was too much for Judas, who was greedy for honor, power and riches.

    At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

    I am sure that Judas was the one, which seduced the disciples of Jesus, so that they argued who was the greatest.

    December 31, 2011 at 11:32 am |
    • Note from Jeebus

      Didn't you hear me when I told you back in Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you, and
      12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. ANYTHING they say I said from that point on is all crap.

      December 31, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Brad

      Hello Rainer.

      I think it was rather human of the disciples to argue who might be greater in the Kingdom of Heaven. Christ's rebuke is interesting and I fell into a little trap my pastor set when I interpreted it. I did not realize that the characteristic of a child that God might find most important is that they have a lot of needs. Also, they are typically unashamed about admitting needs. We should be more like them in that regard. The person who is of greatest importance in the Kingdom of Heaven is the one of greatest need for God and who turns to Him.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:00 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Brad

      Hi,

      at the moment I assume that Judas once or first was a believer and turned apostate later (former I supposed he was a deceiver from the very beginning, but I changed my mind, because aslo Judas got the divine gift to cure people).

      No matter whether he was never a true believer or whether he turned apostate later, Judas had had the chance to repent and to believe in Jesus, who had been able to deliver Judas from his greed for honor, power and riches. When I look at the scene, when Jesus was anointed by the woman, I get the impression that Judas thought of Jesus to be presumptuous, because he allowed the woman to anoint him.

      Judas had no sufficient appreciation for Jesus. That is a mystery. He was not damned to disbelief, I think, but because of any secret reason he failed to adore Jesus heartily.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
    • Brad

      Rainer:

      Interesting that Judas felt extreme remorse and admitted sin:

      When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.” “What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.” So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

      He was a complex fellow. Obviously he had some love for Jesus, hence the remorse and suicide. I had never considered that he may at one time have believed that Jesus is the Christ (as Peter confessed). Is that what you mean by "(at) first was a believer"?

      December 31, 2011 at 12:41 pm |
  9. Eric G

    Until the burden of proof regarding the claim that a god or gods exist is satisfied by the verification of supporting evidence, all subsidiary claims are irrelevant.

    Please provide your evidence that your god exists for verification.

    December 31, 2011 at 11:31 am |
    • Curious

      Is evidentialism itself evidenced?

      December 31, 2011 at 11:41 am |
    • Tera

      The proof that God exists is written throughout creation, in the words and actions of the Savior of the world, Jesus Christ, and the ongoing miracles He permits in order to strengthen our faith, such as the incorruptible bodies of Catholic Saints. It is also written on your own conscience. But regarless of whether one listens to his conscience or acknowledges God's existence, I think an apology is owed, not to the Jews, but rather from the Jews, for crucifying the Savior of the world, and offending the entire Christian community, not to mention the Creator of the Universe!

      December 31, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Eric G

      @Tera: You make many claims of fact without any supporting evidence. But, I do have one question regarding your myth...

      Why should you demand an apology from the Jews for killing Jesus? Without his death, your religions entire story falls apart.

      Please try to think about what you post prior to doing so.

      December 31, 2011 at 11:55 am |
    • Rick

      Tera: So, the bible is true because it says it is?

      December 31, 2011 at 11:58 am |
    • tallulah13

      It appears that Tera thinks if she throws enough rhetoric out there, someone will mistake it for proof.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:26 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Tera, you are an idiot! If jesus had not died there would be no jesus myth and you would be without a zombie king. Whoever killed jesus was just following your allegded god's mysterious plan. And in any event, the roman catholoc church and its latest Pope-A-Dope have said that the jews are not responsible – see http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/02/pope-jews-jesus-death-crucifixion.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:45 pm |
    • Rich

      Eric, you think a one-shot of spontaneous creation (the Big Bang) is an accident of nature? If you see a painting, don't you know there is an artist who painted it?

      December 31, 2011 at 2:48 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Rich: Interesting take. Are you attempting to deny the verifiable evidence that supports the big bang theory? If you can present evidence to the contrary, does that prove to you that your god must have been responsible?

      The big bang theory and your Creation theory are each responsible for the burden of proof produced by their claims. Those claims must be supported by verifiable evidence.

      Your argument for creation is based on the as-sumption that your god exists. You cannot insert a variable without conclusive, verifiable evidence that it exists.

      To sum up, your position is called the "god of gaps" argument. You go to the end of your understanding of the universe and then insert your god into the gaps.

      Please provide evidence that your god exists, then we can discuss how the universe came into existence.

      December 31, 2011 at 3:26 pm |
  10. Robyn Harris

    I am fairly confident the correct answer is Rupert Murdock.

    December 31, 2011 at 11:22 am |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Pray without ceasing in 2012

    December 31, 2011 at 11:08 am |
    • Anon

      Prayer reminds me of this.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16KpquGsIc

      December 31, 2011 at 11:26 am |
    • tallulah13

      Google "Followers of Christ church in Portland" for proof of how well prayer works. There is a graveyard full of the children of the members of this church who would alive had their parent taken them to a doctor instead of just praying for them.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
  12. Note from Jeebus

    STOP fighting over who killed me. I was just taking a nap, (granted it was a rather long nap, but I had a bad day that day), and I'm really still alive. Any Christian can tell you I'm alive. Now STOP saying I'm someone killed me. Either one is "killed" or not. Can't have it both ways. If you keep fighting over "who killed Jeebus", no one is going to think you REALLY believe I'm not really dead. I have other PR problems that are WAY more pressing. Don't you people have presents to return from my birthday party ? Now get busy, and stop this pointless nonsense. Sheesh. Some people's kids.

    December 31, 2011 at 11:07 am |
  13. Robert

    Isn't this all kind of irrelevant? Correct me if I'm wrong but with in the belief structure of Christianity isn't Jesus's death and resurrection a fundamental necessity? A kind of final proof of his divinity as well as his act of suffering "for our sins." In that context why should anyone care even if the Jews were 100% responsible? Besides, virtually all source material people use for this are Biblical and I think we can all agree that they are all a little biased.

    December 31, 2011 at 10:49 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      I guess, it were more the religious leaders of Israel like the Scribes, the Pharisees and the High Priests, which opposed Jesus, and less the ordinary Jews.

      Many ordinary Jews became believers (they achnowledged Jesus as the foretold Messiah and that he had authority to forgive sins).

      Many people may have problems to believe in a meek and humble Jesus. Jesus was no proud master, but just a humble man. He accepted to be rejected and to suffer.

      It is somewhat connected: pride, riches, honor, power; however, that is the exact opposite of faith. A believer should behave like Jesus, who suffered and who was rejected in this secular world.

      December 31, 2011 at 11:07 am |
  14. Bob

    Break the chains. Ask some questions. Be free of religion and other supersti-tions in 2012.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    December 31, 2011 at 10:19 am |
  15. .........

    Be it resolved to hit report abuse on all reality postings in 2012 and as long as they appear

    December 31, 2011 at 9:42 am |
    • Stan

      @......... back down and give the Reality a break. Free speech. Some of Reality's posts are good ones with some good facts. They're a great response against the religious bafflegab that comes up here so often.

      December 31, 2011 at 10:06 am |
    • .........

      bull sh it is not free speech and endless repit ition of garbage is not protected

      December 31, 2011 at 11:06 am |
    • Note from Jeebus

      @...........
      YOU don't get to define what is "an endless repeti'tion of garbage".

      December 31, 2011 at 11:20 am |
    • .........

      since none of it is reality's own thoughts or words i guess i do get to define what is garbage ts if you can't see it
      Hit report abuse on all reality garbage

      December 31, 2011 at 11:59 am |
    • Bernard Martin

      I understand the question but I am confused by the apology by the writer and organization that posted the question. The information in the bible tells that the Roman soldiers were lead to Jesus by Judas and taken into custody. Who paid Judas off and who rallied the Romans into arresting Jesus. The only parties involved were the Hebrews and the Romans. To an intelligent person it would appear that one or both parties were responsible.

      On the other hand, the Romans saw no threat of Jesus to the Empire but the Hebrew group called the Sanhedrin had a problem with the Essene Rabbi. The people's party, "Pharisees" were in conflict with the elitist group "Saducees" during the initial trial of Jesus and wanted him freed. Again, we see all who were involved. The Hebrews (Essenes, Saducees, Pharises) and Romans.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:58 pm |
    • Rubedo

      All of history is based on one or more persons observation or opinion. Two people may see the same item and have totally different opinions as to what they saw. Which person's opinion is actually correct? What are the actually facts concerning the item if decades later it no longer exists and no one else ever viewed the item? It may have never existed, or it could have been an actual item. Can you deny, or believe the existence or non-existence of past history because you were not there at the time?

      Why can we not live on earth to infinity? Who decided that death was a certainty for each and everyone of us on earth?

      January 3, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  16. jbmmmm

    First of all,Judas was a Jew. He never truly converted to Christianity. In fact, he was the man born that would willingly betray Christ.He was never enlightened. (Heb-6) Second,the Jews were about to riot unless Pilot gave in to them. Third,how do you know what Peter was thinking? Were you there? There are four different accounts. Only in one does it referr to Peter pulling his sword( Yeah these were not girly men) An ear was cut off of a servent by Peter which Jesus promptly healed and told Peter to back off. The Jews take 2 positions today. Both are defensive and both attempt to absolve them.But they still have a heavy conscience over this. We continue to pray for our Jewish brothers and sisters for the day of there conversion in Christ.

    December 31, 2011 at 9:36 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      In the Gospel of Matthew you can read that Judas Iscariot belonged to the Twelve, which got the divine gift to be able to cure people.

      Would Jesus give a gift of the Spirit to a disbeliever?

      Matthew 10: Verse 1-8:

      1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

      According to the doctrine of the Early Church every believer can turn apostate. We all have to keep our faith, otherwise we will perish. Maybe it was too much for Judas: "freely ye have received, freely give". Judas wanted a decent salary and some appropriate honor. Hence, he took money out of the common coffer of the disciples (Judas became a thief).

      For a long time I supposed like you that Judas was a deceiver from the very beginning, but the verses above made me pondering again.

      December 31, 2011 at 10:13 am |
    • tallulah13

      Jesus was a jew.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:32 pm |
  17. enough

    we don't have enough of Government turning people against each other, we now have to go back 2000 years and fight over the death of Christ. You know I read these news stories, and I wonder what an instigating, troublemaking- manipulitave exploting overseeing governement we have. And the people eat this stuff up. It's almost like a sick parent turning kids against each other, so the parent will be the only one standing and the good one in everyone's eyes- when they are the ones instigating it in the first place. WAKE UP PEOPLE.

    December 31, 2011 at 9:32 am |
  18. Rainer Braendlein

    Most responsible for Jesus death was Judas Iscarioth. He delivered Jesus to the high priests.

    Neither Pontius Pilate nor the high priests dared to arrest Jesus publically, because many people loved Jesus, thus they depended on an information, where Jesus stayed alone with his disciples and could be arrested without turmoil. That was the Garden of Gethsemane, were Jesus used to gather with his disciples.

    Judas Iscarioth was a converted Jew, that means a Christian. Seemingly, Judas turned apostate after a time of true discipleship and betrayed Jesus.

    Better, Judas never had been born, Jesus said.

    What was the difference between Judas and St. Peter?

    Probably, Jesus was a believer for a period of time, but after a while he turned apostate. He could not cope with the honour and donations, which were given to the bunch of the disciples or Jesus (the young Church) and demanded greater portions of the honour and the money for himself after a while. Maybe Judas felt also underestimated by Jesus regarding his rank and started to hate him after a while (Judas got annoyed, when Jesus was anointed by a woman; Judas could not stand that he wasn't the center, but Jesus; Judas demanded also more money and honor for his service).

    Also Peter habored ambitions to rule together with Jesus over Israel. Maybe he could imagine to be chancellor. However,
    he kept on loving Jesus and submitted to him. Only, when Jesus was arrested he could not understand that Jesus did not defend himself and went astray for a while.

    Judas had no intrinsic love to Jesus and thus betrayed him. In contrast St. Peter loved Jesus and went astray merely for a while, as long as he could not understand his beloved master.

    December 31, 2011 at 9:08 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      Mistake

      I wrote: "Probably, Jesus was a believer for a period of time, but after a while he turned apostate."

      Sorry, I meant Judas (not Jesus) was a believer for a period of time, but ... .

      December 31, 2011 at 9:53 am |
    • Stan

      Prediction for 2012: Rainer's rambling posts about silly details of a pointless religious supersti-tion will continue into 2012. Everyone will skip past them to the posts that matter.

      December 31, 2011 at 10:04 am |
  19. awasis

    It was the Jews. If it wasn't, then why do you think they get so mad about the question?

    December 31, 2011 at 8:52 am |
    • Stephanie

      It wasn't the Jewish people who crucified Jesus. They were a conquered people at the time. They were afraid.
      In the long run, you must remember that there were many significant factors contributing to Jesus betrayal. Judas was corrupted by greed and Satan's influence.
      I am a Christian and would never blame any group of people for this. Jesus forgave everyone by dying for all of our sins.
      If He forgave us, so should you.

      December 31, 2011 at 12:09 pm |
    • steve

      the reason is simple for centuries they have been persecuted because of this story .

      December 31, 2011 at 12:42 pm |
  20. Rainer Braendlein

    I guess, fist the question had to be cleared up, what a Jew actually is?

    The wider meaning of the word Jew is "descendant of Jacob (father of Israel)". In that sense many inhabitants of the state Israel are Jews. This has nothing to do with exercise of religion. In the wider meaning a Jew is just a relative of Jacob.

    However, when the Bible mentions Jews, which opposed Jesus or the apostles, then fanatical Jews are meant, which took there religion serious like the Scribes and the Pharisees (St. Paul was a converted Pharisee). In this contexts not all Jews were meant.

    Many ordinary Jews loved Jesus, acknowledged him as Messiah, and converted to Christianity.

    The assumption that all Jews or the whole Israel ever rejected Jesus is a nonsense.

    Jesus was so beloved by many Jews, that he had to be arrested secretly, because there was danger of a turmoil.

    I guess, both we and the Jews have problems to understand why Jesus, the legitimate king of Israel, did not defend himself by violence, when he was arrested by the soldiers of the high priests. Why did Jesus tolerate his arrest and crucifixion?

    This, we can only grasp by faith. Jesus wanted to fulfill the scriptures of the Old Testament, in order to make possible our salvation. Only, when we consider this spiritual truth, we can understand that Jesus was "too" meek.

    By the way, when Jesus was arrested even St. Peter escaped. He wanted to defend Jesus using a sword, but Jesus refused. St. Peter got very anoyed about the meekness of Jesus and abondoned him. Maybe many Jews, who actually appreciated Jesus, abandoned him in the moment, when they noticed that he did not defend himself. What a king is this???

    December 31, 2011 at 8:40 am |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      --------------------------------------------–

      December 31, 2011 at 8:50 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Reality

      Faithful new year!

      December 31, 2011 at 9:09 am |
    • .........

      the sane creed hit report abuse on all reality repeat bull sh it

      December 31, 2011 at 9:34 am |
    • Stephanie

      That is a good question. I think that we are all a little Jewish. We owe many of our current religious beliefs to their tradition.
      I am Roman Catholic but respect the Jewish traditions. May the Good Lord Bless us all this Holiday Season!

      December 31, 2011 at 12:12 pm |
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