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December 30th, 2011
02:01 PM ET

Fox apologizes to Jews for poll on who murdered Jesus

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Fox Latin America has pulled and apologized for an online poll that asked who was responsible for Jesus’ death and included Jews as a possible response.

The poll had been posted on a Facebook page for National Geographic Cable TV in Latin America as part of a promotional effort for a Christmas special on the channel, according to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish group.

The National Geographic Channel in Latin America is a member of Fox International Channels, part of News Corp.

“Christmas Special is coming to Nat Geo… Who do you think responsible for the death of Jesus?” the Spanish-language poll asked, according to the Wiesenthal Center.

The multiple-choice responses were “Pontius Pilate; The Jewish People; the High Priests.”

On Wednesday, the Wiesenthal Center announced that the National Geographic Channel in Latin America had removed the poll and apologized for it.

"We sincerely apologize for the publication of a poll on our website that might have unintentionally given place to interpretations, opinions or expressions of intolerance that might affect the Jewish community," Fox Latin America’s vice president for corporate communications and PR said in a statement.

“This would contradict the mission and spirit of National Geographic worldwide, which focuses on education for diversity through shows questioning our world,” said the vice president, Guadalupe Lucero.

"We have also taken appropriate measures to prevent such incidents in the future,” he said.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Jesus • Judaism • TV • Uncategorized

soundoff (1,653 Responses)
  1. Jimminy

    Next they should put up a poll: "Who is responsible for the Holocaust?" and list "thousands of years of hate-filled spew by the Catholic Church" as one option...

    January 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And that option would be, at least partially, correct.

      January 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
  2. JohnnyBKK

    When you go to a dinner party, do not discuss religion or politics...

    January 2, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • CSCI132

      The Romans executed Jesus, historical fact. Other historical fact was that Pilot asked the Jewish elders if Jesus was the messiah and if so he would be released. They stated he was not and in accordance to the holiday tradition of the time they could choose a condemned criminal to be set free, they chose a murderer and rapist named Barrabas. As a result Jesus was executed by the normal method of the time, crucifixion.

      January 2, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Jimminy

      CSCI132 Please cite your "historical" references.

      January 2, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  3. Honeycombe

    At first, I saw nothing wrong w/wording of the poll, but now that i think of it, asking if "the Jewish people" killed Jesus is a bigoted question. It is, because there was never a time when all the Jewish people in the world were gathered and given a poll as to whether Jesus should be executed or not. That'd be like asking if "the white people in America" killed Martin Luther King or lynched black people. SOME white people lynched black people. SOME Jewish people yelled out to save the other prisoner over Jesus. And whether those people in the crowd were all Jewish, we don't know. It is arguable whether their being Jewish even matters, unless they voted to save the other prisoner because of their faith, the faith of Jesus, or the faith of the other prisoner. The hallmark of bigotry is extrapolating to an entire group the characteristics or actions of SOME of a group, isn't it? Even if the characteristics or actions don't relate to their being part of that group.

    Example: If most of the people in the group who yelled out to save the other prisoner over Jesus had brown eyes, does that mean that "people of the world with brown eyes" are responsible for killing Jesus? If most of them were short, does that mean "short people of the world" killed Jesus? The implication being that CURRENT people with brown eyes or who are short should be blamed for killing Jesus. It makes no sense and is bigoted.

    January 2, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • Joel David Onyshuk (@JoelOnyshuk)

      The real truth is we ALL killed Jesus. No single people group is singularly to blame.

      Until we finally come to embrace that we each individually have to take the blame, we'll never find hope.

      http://www.jonyshuk.weebly.com

      January 2, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
  4. MissusPowell

    FOX doesn't want the people of the Jewish faith to NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN! (for one thing)

    January 2, 2012 at 7:51 am |
  5. Klaus

    What a bunch of d-egnerate im-beciles to think that they can silence common sense.

    Good thing such draconian measures are going to cause global nationalism more violent and vitriolic than '33's.

    Thank God.

    January 2, 2012 at 3:55 am |
  6. Bumper

    Response to "Reality": The Catholic belief system is false. This was already proved by Martin Luther several hundred years ago. You need to ask yourself a basic question. Why do Catholics place emphasis on the virgin Mary??? She certainly was an important person in the Bible, however, the level of veneration in the Catholic belief system is due to paganism. It is a well known fact that Mary was worshiped or venerated not by the early Christians during the first centuries AD. This veneration started in the middle ages. This should be a major red flag to you Sir. Also, the fact that Catholics pray to all of those saints is also pagan based. You should only pray to God. Jesus is God incarnate. He was did undergo a full physical resurrection. Please read the Bible. When Christ returned to the Disciples, they thought he was just a Spirit, but Jesus corrected them and said he is not just a Ghost, but had real human flesh. If you deny the bodily resurrection, you are missing one of the most important points in the Holy Bible. As far as Crossan's viewpoints, I've read many of his books, and he is obviously confused on a number of topics. Needless to say, he has not a clue about Christ.

    January 2, 2012 at 12:59 am |
    • Reality

      Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      January 2, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Reality

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/Disease:========================

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

      p.4

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"?

      As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      January 2, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • .........

      hit report abuse on all repeated reality garbage

      January 2, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Iconoclast

      Hey Mr Dots, you obviously can't stand to hear a viewpoint other than your own. Exactly what about Reality's posts are abusive? You are the abuser sir.

      January 2, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
  7. Reality

    Who killed Jesus? His father if you believe all the Christian mumbo-jumbo!!

    To wit:

    "Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

    Professor JD Crossan
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    January 2, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • Lord Abraxas

      If Christianity is correct, God sent his son on a suicide mission as if he was here as the redemption of mankind and that could only be achieved through his sacrifice, then God is responsible for the while event because he knew what the outcome was going to be before he set everything in motion.

      January 2, 2012 at 12:52 am |
    • Reality

      . JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")===========================

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher man would do or say?

      January 2, 2012 at 8:20 am |
  8. Bumper

    Jesus lived 2000 years ago and is alive and well today. All the proof we will ever need is the fact that we exist and our relatively short life on this planet called earth. He's still transforming hearts and saving lives and has offered us eternal life if we abide in Him. All we have to do is love God with all of our heart, mind, soul, strength and spirit. If we love God, we will follow his word and abide in his Son and accept the gift that He has freely given to us. This is a gift that none of us have earned or could ever merit except through Christ. Christ took away the stain of sin from the world and robbed the grave of its sting.

    January 1, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • Reality

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/Disease:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

      p.4

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"?

      As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      January 2, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • Catherine

      Jesus has done it ALL and gave us the greatest FREE gift (Eternal Life) for all that believe in Him!
      Praise His Holy Name!

      January 2, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Catherine

      After reading the gospels and epistles of the NT many times, I understand the True message of JC. The Traditions of my of former religious faith added so many Dogmas to the Holy Scripture that it diminished the absolute power of Christ. Humanity has not changed in 2000 years and he is the same yesterday tomorrow and forever. Christ must be accepted in his sufficiency and he was the victor in his accomplished work!

      January 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
  9. jubilee shine

    the italians

    January 1, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
  10. PRISM 1234

    Those who keep asking for proof of God, have denied the proof that was already given to them. Therefore they are walking in darkness, blinded by their own pride, and another proof will not be given to them, unless they are willing to humble themselves and acknowledge their own blindness, poverty and lacking..... Jesus Christ came, declaring and explaining God the Father. Those whose hearts longed for God, recognized Him, but those who were rebels and in pride of their hearts didn't acknowledge their need for Him, did not recognize Him.
    If God came down again, just like He did in the person of Yeshua, Christ the Lord, then they still would not recognize Him, and would do the same as those of His time did.
    But only those who in humbleness of their hearts seek Him, knowing their need of His righteousness, they would recognize Him and come to Him.
    Times changed, but humanity humanity doesn't.... People either love God, and respond to Him by coming to Him, or they hate Him for who He is, and in their pride and self sufficiency refuse His offer of salvation.
    There is no middle ground. Not with God , not ever! And that's just the way it is!!!

    January 1, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      P.S. As for the question who killed Yeshua, Christ the Lord...
      He came to His own, the Jewish nation, and his own received Him not....
      But we all drove nails in His hands and Hisfeet , and pierced His side. He bore our sins and our iniquities. If Isaiah 53 doesn't open your eyes, then you must have blindness in your soul!

      January 1, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Eric G

      Wow. You can blame yourself if you want, but don't try to pin that on me. It wasn't me! It was the one armed man!

      January 2, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "You can blame yourself if you want, but don't try to pin that on me. It wasn't me"
      O, yes it was and it is you too! The pride that's in your heart has numbed it, and caused you to have blindnes in your soul.

      January 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • Bizarre

      PRISM 1234 - "Isaiah 53"

      Hmmmm, let's see now... Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, & Paul (and the others who may have written under those names) wouldn't have happened to have read that book, eh?

      January 2, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @bizzare
      I assume you did....Yet, you remained blind1

      January 2, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
  11. Frank

    (d) Gargamel
    (e) Sauron

    January 1, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
  12. jesus

    Everybody knows the Jews did it...

    January 1, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • jubilee shine

      nope it was the italians

      January 1, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Darth Vader

      I killed Jesus, if he comes back I'll do it again!

      January 2, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Catherine

      The San Hedron turned over Jesus Christ to the Romans because they thought he blasphemed God. The Pharisees full of pride could not accept Jesus was their Messiah. He absolutely fulfilled all of their prophets profecys but yet he was rejected by the Jewish leaders. The pagan Romans crucified Jesus on the Cross and the same time the veil of the Jewish temple was torn from "the top to the bottom" signifying the end of ceremonial sacrifice of animals for forgiveness of sins. Now there was a more perfect covenant with God with the propitiation through faith in his blood. Jesus gave his OWN life for the remission of sins!

      January 2, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  13. Jim Weix

    All 3 choices are correct: Pontius Pilate; The Jewish People; the High Priests.

    January 1, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
    • Dio Crash

      Why is it that in an empire with meticulous records regarding commercial exchanges and factual evidence of a man name Pilate, there is no actual record, even by the most devout, of a man that worked real miracles in the streets? It may be possible that this man was created or propped up by a collapsing power structure to subdue the populous from rebelling.

      January 1, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • atc333

      According to the scriptures, all three were only tools used by God to bring about this preordained result: Christ's death and resurrection, without which Gods plan of forgiveness of sins and everlasting life for all mankind who believe would never have come to pass..

      January 2, 2012 at 9:21 am |
  14. Jim Weix

    Too funny. I can only assume that, to be politically correct, we will now rewrite the story of the Cuixifiction?
    In exchange for that can we then call that goofy grouper a Jewfish again?

    January 1, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
  15. Bumper

    The Jews were selected to set an example in the Old Testament, but not a 'chosen people' in the sense that they were the only ones that could enter the Kingdom of Heaven. No person in this blog seems to understand that Christ is a fulfillment of the Old testament covenant with God. He has ushered in the start of the Kingdom of God, but it has not yet been consumed with his second return. Since Christ has given us an opportunity to have eternal life as a result of his humiliation, we no longer require the limited example of Judaic faith to obtain salvation because it has been bought for us through Christ, and Christ alone.

    January 1, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Catherine

      I agree with you...Jesus fulfilled the law and the OT profecy!

      January 2, 2012 at 10:51 pm |
  16. A. Wolf

    "...might have unintentionally given place to interpretations..." is not an apology.

    That's just Fox saying, "We're sorry that Jews don't like being reminded they killed Jesus." This "apology" is as bigoted as it is historically ridiculous.

    January 1, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
  17. Bumper

    The 'chosen people' are the folks who live according to God's word and cling to Christ. I've always thought it very egocentric that many Jews still believe that they are the 'chosen people'. How racist and egotistical!!! Jesus made is clear that his message was for everyone and not just the Jews. Jesus' message and Spirituality have nothing to do with race or ethnic background. This is one of many reasons why Judaism is a false religion and whose followers will certainly face eternal punishment for not accepting Christ.

    January 1, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • A. Wolf

      Many Christians also believe that Jews are the chosen people, given that the Christian Bible says it over and over and over again and Jesus certainly doesn't contradict it. This is one reason conservative Christians send lots of money to Israel. But I like how you follow "Jesus' message has nothing to do with ethnic background" with "the Jews will burn for all eternity". Cute.

      January 1, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • JennyTX

      To Bumper: And your proof is...where??

      January 1, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • Bumper

      The Jews were selected to set an example in the Old Testament, but not a 'chosen people' in the sense that they were the only ones that could enter the Kingdom of Heaven. No person in this blog seems to understand that Christ is a fulfillment of the Old testament covenant with God. He has ushered in the start of the Kingdom of God, but it has not yet been consumed with his second return. Since Christ has given us an opportunity to have eternal life as a result of his humiliation, we no longer require the literal example of faith of the Jewish people to obtain salvation because it has been bought for us through Christ, and Christ alone.

      January 1, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • mitchyj

      Sounds like you're a little defensive there my Christian friend. The point is that Fox is not a news network, it's a global publicity stunt.

      January 1, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Jim Weix

      I thought that God's punishment to the Jewish people was that they were to forever wander the lands and never have a home or "country"?

      January 1, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • A Jew

      I really can't stand people who condemn me for my beliefs. If you believe that, we are enemies. It's no wonder there's such a backlash against christianity. The sheer arrogance that your's is the only way will be your religion's downfall. Nobody is going to take that kind of verbal/spiritual abuse.

      January 2, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Catherine

      Not sure you can say any religion is a false religion. If you want eternal life you must believe In HIM alone (Jesus Christ). He is the only mediator with the father. He allows us through FAITH in HIM ALONE by his grace to have eternal life!
      In the Gospel of Matthew, we are told about the narrow gate and the wide gate....unfortunately, most people enter through the wide gate....which leads to destruction! That is when the idea of "false religion" really begins to make sense.

      January 2, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • Rubedo

      A.Wolf-–Maybe Jesus meant the Jews were the chosen people for the holocaust.

      January 3, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Paul

      A Jew – You are not being condemned for your beliefs. But just think about the possibility that Jesus was the promised Messiah. That would change much for many people. No? If He was not, then Christianity is the world's largest cult, and us Christians are worshiping the wrong person/God. But Isaiah 14:26 states that God has a plan for ALL the nations.

      Isaiah 14:26
      26 I have a plan for the whole earth,
      a hand of judgment upon all the nations.

      Jesus fulfills ALL of the Messianic prophecies from the OT. The whole OT is basically about God's plan of salvation for the world. He would take the human form, Jesus, and be our sacrificial lamb (Passover) for us. All it takes is for us to believe in Him. Jeremiah 31 speaks of a New Covenant that will between God and His people!

      31 “The day is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. 32 This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,” says the Lord.

      33 “But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,” says the Lord. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,” says the Lord. “And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.”

      And read what Zechariah 12 says-

      10 “Then I will pour out a spirit[b] of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for him as for a firstborn son who has died. 11 The sorrow and mourning in Jerusalem on that day will be like the great mourning for Hadad-rimmon in the valley of Megiddo.

      Isaiah 53 states that the Messiah will be pierced for OUR rebellion!

      5 But he was pierced for our rebellion,
      crushed for our sins.
      He was beaten so we could be whole.
      He was whipped so we could be healed.
      6 All of us, like sheep, have strayed away.
      We have left God’s paths to follow our own.
      Yet the Lord laid on him
      the sins of us all.

      7 He was oppressed and treated harshly,
      yet he never said a word.
      He was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
      And as a sheep is silent before the shearers,
      he did not open his mouth.

      Isaiah 53:10 – goes on to state –

      10 But it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him
      and cause him grief.
      Yet when his life is made an offering for sin,
      he will have many descendants.
      He will enjoy a long life,
      and the Lord’s good plan will prosper in his hands.
      11 When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,
      he will be satisfied.
      And because of his experience,
      my righteous servant will make it possible
      for many to be counted righteous,
      for he will bear all their sins.

      So bottom line, WE ALL HAD A PART IN KILLING JESUS! Both the Jewish leaders and the Roman Leaders had a part in His death. Both Jew and Gentile. WE ARE ALL TO BLAME. He had to die for ALL OF OUR SINS!

      I hope that you understand this and find this helpful. Only God's spirit can reveal this truth to someone, no matter thet be born Jew or Gentile! There are many gentiles that do not know the Truth!

      Shalom!

      January 7, 2012 at 11:06 pm |
    • Paul

      Rubedo – That was completely unnecessary! Satan has had it out for the Jews from the very beginning. God promised that Israel will always be a people, and ever since, Satan has tried to destroy ALL of Israel to prove God wrong! But there will always be a remnant left. And us Gentiles are grafted into the tree of life!

      January 7, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  18. 17701774

    oh jeez. Cause you all were there, right?

    January 1, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
  19. puresmokey

    How about God the Father, who sent him on the suicide mission in the first place?

    January 1, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Paul

      Jesus IS God. Just the physical form of a Spiritual God. Just as H2O has three phases, so does G-d. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (His spirit left on the earth, after Jesus ascended back into Heaven). That's the amazing thing. God took the punishment that was due us. ALL of us.

      January 1, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • Paul

      Here you go –

      Isaiah 53

      1 Who has believed our message?
      To whom has the Lord revealed his powerful arm?
      2 My servant grew up in the Lord’s presence like a tender green shoot,
      like a root in dry ground.
      There was nothing beautiful or majestic about his appearance,
      nothing to attract us to him.
      3 He was despised and rejected—
      a man of sorrows, acquainted with deepest grief.
      We turned our backs on him and looked the other way.
      He was despised, and we did not care.

      4 Yet it was our weaknesses he carried;
      it was our sorrows[a] that weighed him down.
      And we thought his troubles were a punishment from God,
      a punishment for his own sins!
      5 But he was pierced for our rebellion,
      crushed for our sins.
      He was beaten so we could be whole.
      He was whipped so we could be healed.
      6 All of us, like sheep, have strayed away.
      We have left God’s paths to follow our own.
      Yet the Lord laid on him
      the sins of us all.

      7 He was oppressed and treated harshly,
      yet he never said a word.
      He was led like a lamb to the slaughter.
      And as a sheep is silent before the shearers,
      he did not open his mouth.
      8 Unjustly condemned,
      he was led away.[b]
      No one cared that he died without descendants,
      that his life was cut short in midstream.[c]
      But he was struck down
      for the rebellion of my people.
      9 He had done no wrong
      and had never deceived anyone.
      But he was buried like a criminal;
      he was put in a rich man’s grave.

      10 But it was the Lord’s good plan to crush him
      and cause him grief.
      Yet when his life is made an offering for sin,
      he will have many descendants.
      He will enjoy a long life,
      and the Lord’s good plan will prosper in his hands.
      11 When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish,
      he will be satisfied.
      And because of his experience,
      my righteous servant will make it possible
      for many to be counted righteous,
      for he will bear all their sins.
      12 I will give him the honors of a victorious soldier,
      because he exposed himself to death.
      He was counted among the rebels.
      He bore the sins of many and interceded for rebels.

      January 1, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • A. Wolf

      The "trinity is like phases of matter" is not a very convincing analogy, but claiming an all-powerful being is his own father requires a lot of mindless acceptance to begin with.

      Also, there aren't three phases of matter, there are many, many phases, some of which are quite exotic. While phases of matter are relatively clear-cut, nothing in science is as simplistic as religious dogma likes to make things.

      January 1, 2012 at 8:58 pm |
    • A. Wolf

      @Paul : wouldn't it be easier to link to Isaiah than type all that in?

      Nothing you typed suggests this refers to Jesus. Isaiah speaks in the past tense of "his servant". He's extolling the virtue of sacrifice from the servant classes. He never says "this person is also God". He speaks of only one Lord.

      January 1, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Paul

      I copied and pasted, but you are right.

      This is a foretelling of the rejection of the Messiah. Verse 5 states he was pierced for our rebellion. Verse 9 states that He will buried in a rich man's grave, which was Jospeh of Arimathea spoken of in Matthew 27 –

      Matthew 27:57 – 61
      57 As evening approached, Joseph, a rich man from Arimathea who had become a follower of Jesus, 58 went to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body. And Pilate issued an order to release it to him. 59 Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a long sheet of clean linen cloth. 60 He placed it in his own new tomb, which had been carved out of the rock. Then he rolled a great stone across the entrance and left. 61 Both Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting across from the tomb and watching.

      January 1, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
  20. Mary Davis

    God gave his only son for the sins of many. He did that for you as well. No one evolved. God created every human being in this
    universe. Read the complete book of Psalms. The truth is there in black and white print for all to read for themselves. Would you
    give up one of your children for mankind the way that God did for you and for me? I hate on no one. I try to always find the good in
    people. God didn't promise you a perfect world with no problems and struggles. God tells you that when you are struggling, lay your
    burdens down and he will give you rest. God is the TRUTH, THE LIFE AND THE WAY. I started my new year with GOD in it!!!!!!!

    January 1, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Adam

      What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

      January 1, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Paul

      Mary Davis – AMEN!

      Adam – Read Isaiah 53 from the OT. It was written 700 years before Jesus walked the earth. This is ONE of the many proofs you might find IF you looked in the Bible. Prophetic nature of Bible proves that it is the Word of God. Don't ignore it.

      January 1, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      Prove love adam

      January 1, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Paul..that proves nothing there is no proof it was written before anyone walked anywhere..I think you have an misunderstanding of what proof is . I could say that in the Harry Potter books wands are used to do magic...is that proof to you that they do?

      January 2, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • Iconoclast

      @EvolvedDNA, the responses by some christian groups to Harry Potter makes me think they do belive that wands are magic. After all how far removed is that work of fiction from their own?

      January 2, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Rubedo

      DNA-–The miracle of the conscience; we know the difference between right and wrong.

      Christians don't need to prove anything to you. If you evolved from apes and God had nothing to do with your creation, then don't think past your ape mind.

      January 3, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Rubedo,
      very well said ! ! !

      January 3, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
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