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What happens when candidates called by God drop out?
Kelly Oxford's tweet from Wednesday.
January 5th, 2012
11:59 AM ET

What happens when candidates called by God drop out?

By Stephen Walsh, CNN

On Wednesday, blogger and sitcom writer Kelly Oxford sent a tweet about the Republican race for the presidency that got a lot of folks asking: Is this God’s idea of a joke?

Oxford, whose Twitter feed was named by TIME magazine one of the 140 best of 2011, wrote, “Cain, Perry, Bachmann all claimed God told them to run for President, and all are out of the race. God is hilarious.”

It’s been reported that Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum have all suggested that God called on them to enter the presidential race.

But here we are: Cain’s out. Bachmann’s out.

After returning to Texas to “reassess” his campaign, Perry announced he’s not throwing in the towel. Judging by his poor showing in the Iowa caucuses and the debates so far, however, many political experts think it’s just a matter of time.

The only one with supposed divine guidance who’s still in the race is Santorum.

So what gives? Did the candidates misread God’s supposed message? Does the defeat of a divinely-inspired candidate necessarily contradict a message from God?

We want to hear form you. What do you think?

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

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  1. Nonimus

    "What happens when candidates called by God drop out?"

    Obviously the universe would implode... so it must not have happened.

    January 5, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Jesus

      The fact that they admitted hearing from an invisible imaginary friend in the sky ought to have given them an admission pass to the funny farm. Anyone claiming to hear voices directing their conduct is deeply disturbed. Of course here in the USA if you hear a voice from above telling you something and you have a following, you're called a religious leader.

      January 5, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • robert frost

      We all need to start praying to John Smith! HERE's JONNY!

      January 5, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Nonimus

      "Anyone claiming to hear voices directing their conduct is deeply disturbed."

      Doesn't nearly everyone hear voices?
      jk

      January 5, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • bob

      Hey ..@Jesus ...this is the first and last time i will say ...I believe in ...Jesus.( add.)- Like your comment...that addendum is for Republicans and residents of NH. who have joined the category of the most screwed up state in the US

      January 5, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • bob

      @nominus...good point ...but for the sane.... only when the sound is generated from an outside source.

      January 5, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  2. abinadi

    Obviously, someone who claims revelation from God and that revelation turns out to be wrong is a false prophet. Such statements are serious business and a person who claims it frivolously reveals himself to be a nutcase.

    January 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • William Demuth

      So someone who claims it seriously is sane?

      Dude, anyone who believes in Sky Fairies is a nutcase, and anyone who claims to personally communicate with one is dangerously unstable.

      Its no different than saying you are Napoleon.

      No exceptions

      January 5, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      A person that claims it non-frivolously is likewise a nuttier case.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I don't take the drugs those doctors tried to give me.
      I tried them for a while, but God stopped talking to me and I didn't know who to kill or what to burn.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I believe that god demands false prophets be stoned to death. My question is – should all of us take part, or is it only the folks who believed these false prophets who get to stone them?

      January 5, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Stoned on what?
      You can't overdose on weed – so heroin it is!

      January 5, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  3. Portland tony

    NO candidate was called by a God. Maybe their PR people talked in tongues and the candiddate just misunderstood.

    January 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • abinadi

      Actually, there is evidence that all leaders serve with God's permission as is evidenced in Jeremiah 27: 6, "6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him." If you are asking, why would God call a man like Nebuchadnezzar his servant, or even Kim Jong Il, maybe that is all the people who live there deserve. Maybe everyone on earth has the government they deserve.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • abinadi

      I think we should all feel pretty special that God has called good men to be our leaders who believe in God. It speaks very highly of us!

      January 5, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      If our leaders are god's choice then he has the mental capacity of a small furry animal.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • LinCA

      @abinadi

      You said, "I think we should all feel pretty special that God has called good men to be our leaders who believe in God. It speaks very highly of us!"

      The fact that our leaders claim to believe in fairy tales, whether they do or not, speaks volumes about us. But "highly" it is not.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  4. Nonimus

    "Does the defeat of a divinely-inspired candidate necessarily contradict a message from God?"

    The essence of unfalsifiability.
    Called by God... to fail... same thing He apparently did in the garden of Eden.

    January 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • fred

      No, Adam was made in the image of God and placed into a perfect Garden then God said it is very good and rested. Adam and God enjoyed unity and perfection you and I could not imagine. What we see and the failure you speak of is the direct result of disunity with our creator and creation it has no reflection on God. Perhaps you should reconsider your perspective as you contine to speak as man superior looking out and commenting on god the failure. I seem to recall others from the Bible that had such a view.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Bob

      And then nasty Christian god commanded fred to kill and burn a poor innocent animal to make a stench that god enjoys. So go jump that goat, fred, or your vicious, spiteful god will torture you forever. And yes, your Jeebus said the OT rules still apply, so don't try to wriggle out that way.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Be free of religion in 2012.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      January 5, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • fred

      Bob
      The old rules of sacrafice do not apply to Christians as the perfect lamb was sacraficed. This was it and Jesus said "it is finished".
      As to the chosen ones of the old testament they cannot make sacrafice until the temple is rebuilt and Muslims the sons of Ishmael that from the time of Abraham were opposed to Israel will see to that.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • derp

      No, Peter Pan was made in the image of Bigfoot and placed into a perfect Atlantis then Bigfoot said it is very good and rested. Peter Pan and Bigfoot enjoyed unity and perfection you and I could not imagine. What we see and the failure you speak of is the direct result of disunity with our Bigfoot and creation it has no reflection on Bigfoot. Perhaps you should reconsider your perspective as you contine to speak as man superior looking out and commenting on Bigfoot the failure. I seem to recall others from the Sasquatch Code that had such a view.

      January 5, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Jesus

      The garden of Eden? Isn't that the tale of the rib-woman being conned by the talking snake? What other children's fairy tales are there in that Bronze Age book. How about my favorites...the guy who lived in a whale or God coming down to Earth to diddle a married woman or the guy who loaded two of every animal on a boat (very few varieties or animals were known to exist back in the Bronze Age).

      January 5, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • steve harnack

      @fred, and if all of that doesn't sound like something straight from a sci-fi novel, well, just read some. You might find a god that you like better.

      January 5, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @fred,
      Did not God, according to Gen 1 anyway, put Adam in the garden with the tree of "knowledge of good and evil" and then tell him not to eat of it? If Adam did not have a knowledge of good and evil how can he be held responsible for the sin, or evil, of disobeying God?
      Additionally, how can we be held accountable for Adam's trangressions? We didn't eat the apple.
      You say Jesus was the perfect sacrifice (paraphrased) to cleanse that sin, but how can the torture and death of one person atone for the sin of another? That's called a scapgoating and most people these days don't think it's ethical.

      God's most consistent behavior is not only letting humans fail, but apparently rigging the system so there is no way to win, i.e. apparently humans cannot live a sinless life, without which we are destined for eternal torture in hell.

      Fortunately, is it most likely fiction.

      January 5, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • fred

      Nonimus
      You said” apparently humans cannot live a sinless life, without which we are destined for eternal torture in hell.”
      =>Yeah! You sure got that first part right, I feel like we should have some kind of a celebration! Go Nonimus, go Nonimus, go Nomimus………….thanks, I was looking for an excuse to celebrate.
      No matter what God does for man or gives man we end up rejecting God and going our own way, regardless of consequence.
      The "destined for eternal torture in hell" is not necessarily true as Hell is reserved for Satan and his demons. Other eternal consequences may seem harsh but God is only giving you what you wanted or worked for during your lifetime. Not bad just reaping what you sow

      January 5, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • fred

      Nonimus
      “Did not God, according to Gen 1 anyway, put Adam in the garden with the tree of "knowledge of good and evil" and then tell him not to eat of it? If Adam did not have a knowledge of good and evil how can he be held responsible”
      =>There were two trees in the Garden one was the Tree of Life and the other was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The command was specific eat of any tree in the Garden but do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or you will surly die. It does not matter what Adam knew or did not know about that tree it is not the issue. It could have been a tree of salami the point was faith and trust. Consider Adam could have anything but, DO NOT EAT from that one. Eve simply referred to the tree in the middle of the garden and knew they must not even touch it. Adam and Eve were fully aware. It was what Eve saw in her minds eye, a desire that turned her head towards forbidden fruit. These are the same driving forces the chosen ones of old and today’s Christians let loose and suffer consequence. It is not God rather man. Man rejects God, violates trust and loses faith. God is the opposite with attributes of eternal faithfulness, trust and never giving up on restoring unity.
      “Additionally, how can we be held accountable for Adam's trangressions?”
      =>We are not, Jesus made full atonement for us.
      “ how can the torture and death of one person atone for the sin of another?”
      => Gods rules why does man think he is in a position to establish the terms of atonement. It is a long story so let me give you the short version. God accepted the penalty for sin as Jesus was fully God and fully man. If the theme of incarnate is troublesome ignore it for now and know that God took on the sin of man. God never changes, so when in the beginning of Genesis, God said you will surly die we see death is the penalty for sin. God paid the price for you in order to redeem your soul so that “none may parish but all come to the glory of God”. Once again God has done everything possible for man but, we rejected that also.
      If you want to know why the treatment of Jesus was so brutal let me know.
      “God's most consistent behavior is not only letting humans fail, but apparently rigging the system so there is no way to win”
      =>Got that backasswards. The system is rigged so everyone that wants to spend eternity with God may do so. There were two trees in the Garden why you keep picking the only thing you cannot have is beyond me.

      January 5, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @fred,
      Perhaps I wasn't clear. The reason I brought up the garden of Eden was that God expected Adam and Eve to make a decision to be good and obey Him, without giving them a "knowledge of good and evil." How can anyone be expected to be good if they don't understand good and evil?

      "The system is rigged so everyone that wants to spend eternity with God may do so."
      Not because they are worthy, but only because God decided to allow it, through some convoluted loophole of getting Himself sacrificed. Again, God setup the conditions that man is incapable of being worthy, or sinless, on His own, but that is the primary qualification for gaining "eternal life." How is that not just plain mean?

      And again, luckily it's most likely not true.

      January 6, 2012 at 10:40 am |
  5. Anatomically Bombed

    Maybe they all recieved the same phone call from a mysterious rich donor named "Ga Haad" who has since pulled back their oil soaked support?

    January 5, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
  6. JohnQuest

    If Romney wins does that mean that Jo Smith Jr was right and Jesus really did visit with the Natives in America after he died in Jerusalem?

    January 5, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Actually, I think Romney is one of the only people who god DIDN'T ask to run..... so what does that mean?

      January 5, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • abinadi

      I think it means that Romney is not a nut or a hypocrite and we should take a closer look at him.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Abby

      Disagree, if god didn't call him and the repubs is god's party.....then that means romney is in open rebellion!

      January 5, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Snow

      The way Repubs are playing their game- even if Jeebus himself came to say something, they wouldn't accept him and kick him out for disagreeing with their idea what he "should have been like"

      January 5, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • JesusLives

      It means he don't know God!

      January 5, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Jesus

      Romney will do or say anything to obtain high public office. He is exactly what this country does not need.

      January 5, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • Jesus

      According to Joey Smith, Jeebus was just a stone's throw from Branson, Missouri (the evangelical holyland). Of course until recently, blacks couldn't enter heaven unless they turned white. God changed his mind in 1978 (must have been the disco music) and told the head of the Mormon Church to let the black brothers into heaven....as long as didn't mingle too much on the white side of heaven. Romney refuses to answer any questions about his insane religion (assuming that he actually believes such nonsense).

      January 5, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  7. Snow

    Oh well, didn't you know.. God works in mysterious ways.. and as he usual changes his convictions and stand about aspects of his own creation that are "true" but need to be changed... Started with the flat earth and hasn't slowed down yet.

    Every one of these candidates swears that god has a lil short wave connection with them and regularly chats with him – so we know they don't lie.. they are "True" christians. So folks, maybe we should pray for him to make up his mind too.. eh?

    January 5, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  8. Dem Bonz

    Crazy idjits are crazy.

    January 5, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  9. The Central Scrutinizer

    What happens? Tragically, an Angel loses it's wings.

    January 5, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • fred

      Ah, but thanks to science we know that a feather falls at the same rate as a falling angel without wings. Expect a gentle landing.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • fred

      oops make that Gentile landing.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @fred,
      Sure... in a vacuum. What's your point anyway?

      January 5, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • fred

      Nonimus
      The republican party seems void of any thing new or real, does that make it a vacuum? or they need a good vacuume and clean house............
      Anyway I was just spoofing The Scrutiniezer

      January 5, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Jesus

      I was on a Boeing 747 that ran straight into a flock of angels. When the plane landed there was harp residue all over the front of the plane along with lots of white feathers.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
  10. STUKKUPINCRAKK THE GOD OF UNDERWEAR

    YOU WILL ALL FEEL MY WRATH! THERE IS NO ESCAPE!

    EVEN IF YOU GO COMMANDO I WILL SEND LINT, DIRT, LEAVES, AND MYSTERIOUS CRUMBS TO PUNISH YOU!!

    YOU WILL FEEL MY WRATH UP INTO THE CRACKS OF YOUR VERY SOUL!!!!

    January 5, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  11. hippypoet

    when people who claimed to be called by god drop out of whatever god called them to do, well what happens next is awesome – have you ever seen buff the vampire slayer... well imagine when she stakes a vamp and they go up in smoke and ash....well thats gods wrath, and the same will be the fate of all who claim divine calling to any JOB! morons.... claiming god told me to is a long tradition of failure, yet they still claim it – no wonder our country is in a downward spiral – we keep electing people like this! Obama is good, i like him, just he had WAYYYYYY too much on his plate (fu bush) to deal with it properly... and i wonder if any in his place would have done as good as he did.

    January 5, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
  12. David Johnson

    Simple really. Evangelicals are lying pieces of sh!t.

    The claim was made, to garner the Christian Right support.

    The Evangelicals are not Christians. They have accepted Paul as their messiah.

    Their puppets, the Republicans, are always saying Jesus, Jesus, jesus. But they never mention Jesus' advice to the rich, or how the poor and the elderly (honor thy father and thy mother) should be taken care of.

    The Tea Party (Christian Right) applauded Perry's record of sending people to death row.

    The Tea Party (Christian Right) screamed, "YES"! When asked if a man without health insurance should be allowed to die.

    No one stood and read to them Jesus' "The Good Samaritan". It is tailor made for this question.

    The Christian Right are not Christians. They are fascists.

    Cheers!

    January 5, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Can't they be both?

      January 5, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Kris

      That's a good summary.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Packman

      Adolf Hitler claimed to be Christian and had a divine mission for the German people! We saw how that turned out!

      January 5, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • peggy

      Mr. David Johnson,

      As someone with a deep faith in God, I must say you got it 100% right!

      Also, maybe God knew they were thinking about the Presidency and told them to run from the Presidency, not for it but they were not really listening.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
  13. Still Waiting For Godot

    God called on these people to run, then made them faceplant. I think God is trying to prove that there is no God.

    I tell you one thing: looking at all the crime and war and torture and oppression and birth defects and cancer and floods and tornadoes and industrial accidents and sex slavery and everthing else, it sure does not look like there is anything resembling a loving god running the show.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  14. Chuckles

    I think god is at perfect liberty to play jokes on people. I say, instead of rationalizing it and saying it was "gods plan" and that he works in mysterious ways and crap like that, maybe Bachman, Cain, Perry and Santorum should all just learn to get a sense of humor and see that god is poking a little fun at them.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • J.W

      Well God is great in every way. He also has a great sense of humor. Hasn't the Michelle Bachmann and Rick Perry campaigns provided a lot of laughs? And that would not have happened if God did not tell them to run.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      OMG! Bachmann dropped out of the race! Who is going to make Sarah Palin look like an intellectual?????

      January 5, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • HellBent

      Maybe God is an SNL fan. I still can't find any other good reason why Palin was on the ticket in '08

      January 5, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Lets get real, if I lived out of time and space and I had all these ant like creatures just praying and thinking I'm awesome and never EVER getting the blame, well I'd screw with them too and see how they'd reconcile all the shi.tty stuff I did to them.

      Sort of like playing the sims, but yous sim is aware you exist, have complete control and loves you even when you hold him still and watch him pee his pants.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Reason 3,453 I am glad Chuckles isn't God. 🙂

      January 5, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • fred

      Sounds like kinder gentile version of Job.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Or, the "real god" is Loki – the Norse god of mischief. That could explain Palin and Bachmann, Perry, Santorum, etc.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • HellBent

      Or the real god could be Ometotchtli, the drunken rabbit god of the Aztecs. A drunken rabbit god probably wouldn't remember who he had tapped to be the republican nominee anyway.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Chuckles

      I would be a fantastic god, I have already proven this countless times in games like the sims, civilization and Black and white.

      miracle......miracle......... DISASTER, DIE DIE DIE, blame it on satan......miracle....... and so on. There was one time where I had to chill in the middle of the woods in Oregon for about 3 days and got super bored so I obviously started tossing rocks at a tree for a while. I think the same concept would happen here, but instead of rocks and a tree, it would asteroids and earth.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • J.W

      I think all of the gods that ever existed are still out there somewhere. They are all screwing with us.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Chuckles,

      You'll forgive me if I think you're not qualified to be a deity since your resume is based simply on your excellence in video games and boredom.

      By the way, it's all about Skyrim.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Damian

      The trick is simply getting followers to believe you're infalliable AND omnibenevolent, everything else gets sorted out by them. I mean, have you seen gods resume? He didn't have that much experience and has just sort of gone with it from there. At least I got a couple of rounds of black and white before really committing to a game. PLUS I've seen futurama where bender becomes god, I learned a couple of things, basically don't give your subjects nukes, don't favor some people over others and miracles can get nasty so keep them to a minimum.

      Also, I'd imagine if god is the only one of his kind, then he must get IMMENSELY bored, I mean seriously, just floatin around in space all the time, sure he's got angels who are programed to love him, and then he has the people in heaven who are like the annoying fan, glazed face and all that.
      I'm sure that's why satan gets to stick around, so god can be like "satan... I'm bored as sh.it, what are you going to do to fu.ck with me?!"
      How to deal with boredom is a MUST to become god.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Chuckles,

      Well first you must be able to create said people and said universe. Once you get over that hurdle, by all means, go with being declared a god.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Chuckles

      The real question is, if I did will you start calling me god too

      If that's a yes, then I should just change my handle to god now (though I've seen a lot of Gods come and go on this board) because I've already done it.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      @Chuckles,

      Nope. Because you would not be my god. You'd be god of your creation. 🙂

      January 5, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • fred

      When making a claim of biblical nature it is important to use the right translation. The Hebrew word run is RATZ a political party now defunct in Israel. Had they simply googled it they could see it is also Hebrew for the peace movement party. So
      God was either telling them to run for their lives or run on the Peace and Freedom party ticket.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Damian

      Just you wait, pretty soon a new god is coming to town. I know a couple of magic card tricks and I've got a way with words, basically that's all jesus had and he made it work. Just you wait.......

      January 5, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Lol

      @Chuckles,
      Can I be the first "chosen" one to write the "new new testement" book about your life? I am good at making up facts and stories about the made-up, yet-totally-true facts!

      January 5, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Lol

      Surely.... I shall call you the holy writer of flast truthes, or truthful lies, whichever you prefer.

      A little background you make sure to get right (this is my divine inspiration part here, so pay attention) I am 24 years of age and have always been so. My twin sister and I come from 2 separate set of parents and I enjoy the snow. You may use Star Wars to fill in the rest of the blanks, though leave out the unholy episodes 1 and 2. They are evil and were spawned by my most hated enemy, the cat Mr. Whiskers.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      God lives beyond the Galactic Barrier on the planet Shakari, aka Kuitu or Vortavor.
      He has need of a starship...

      January 5, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      Future Chuckamentalists will insist that Jar Jar Binks is evil, and all Jamaicans must be destroyed because of the similarity of their speech patterns.

      This cannot end well, I'm afraid.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • I = rubber, U = glue

      @Lol

      You can't because you are alive during the time of Chuckles. The "New testament of Chuckles" can only be written several decades after he has died by someone who has never actually met Chuckles.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • J.W

      How would I serve you Chuckles?

      January 5, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @JW

      Excellent question and although I= Rubber U = Glue makes a good point that nobody can be the holy writer of false truths/true lies, I'll leave it up to him to hammer out the details (as well as make sure his writings look like they were written in the correct time frame) however one thing I do demand is much like the Monsters Inc. characters, I thrive on laughs, so you must make someone laugh a day. I also enjoy gold, so get some of that. I guess if I get to make a wishlist (or list of demands as some might call it) it ranges from world peace to a cheesburger. So really all of that would be nice.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      What does Chuckles need with a Starship?

      January 5, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • fred

      Doc
      It is the only place he can find Data

      January 5, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  15. HellBent

    I'm sure it can be chalked up to just being part of 'God's plan' or that 'God works in mysterious ways' – the usual boiler plate responses when faced with obvious contrdi.ctions or absurdities.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Or they were lying... after all they were all human which makes them sinful creatures.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • rick

      Mike: Why do you feel that man is "sinful"?

      January 5, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Here's my point of view. Supposedly, God told them to run. Maybe He did and maybe He didn't.

      Assuming that God actually DID tell them to run, God never said they would win. Perhaps there were lessons that needed to be taught to the American people or the candidates themselves? Don't ask me what those lessons were, I don't know. We have no way of knowing what God's ultimate plan is and know way to know who was supposed to learn what and if they did indeed learn it or not. I'm just offering it up as a possibility.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • BNB42

      God is a comedian playing to an audience to afraid to laugh....

      January 5, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Rick, I am going to make an assumption that you do not believe in the Christian Doctorines, so let me try and step outside the Bible for a minute. If we turn on the TV, we will see stories of a person going in and shooting up a school. Or humans involved in scams, or another type of activity to harm there fellow man, so you would most likely agree that something has gone wrong with the human species.

      If not try this go to a book store and identify the largest section in that store. Self help, if you would just do this and not this. If we can just do this and not this. If we would strive toward this THEN life would be perfect.

      So you don't have to be religious to agree something has gone wrong. Now the part we disagree on is what is responsible or the origins that has cause us to go wrong. As a Christian this is defined as sin, iniquity and transgression.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Jesus

      God "works in mysterious ways" is another way of saying, THIS MAKES NO SENSE AND IS JUST RANDOM, BUT I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT REALITY.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
  16. Grayson

    They may be absolutely correct that they were called to enter the race. Who are we to know?

    But just because God called them to enter the race doesn't mean He guaranteed them winning. God calls us to many things in life. The point isn't always success, at least not in common terms. The point is that we grow and learn from our callings, ultimately impacting others around us for Christ.

    Their soul purpose for being called into the race could have been as simple as inspiring a teenager that will one day go one to become president and lead the country according to God's will.

    But again, the point is not in winning the race. The point is following God's will and trusting the outcome is His outcome.

    -Grayson Pope (http://aparchedsoul.com)

    January 5, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • HellBent

      Or maybe the creator of the universe wasn't having a personal conversation with them – and that they were *gasp* exploiting the religious beliefs of others for personal gain.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Or Hellbent, they could be schizophrenic or have temporal lobe seizures.

      January 5, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Reality

      Another view:

      As per the famous contemporary theologian, Edward Schillebeeckx, God (if one exists) is not omniscient. Please read, pause and contemplate the following by Schillebeeckx:

      Church: The Human Story of God,
      Crossroad, 1993, p.91 (softcover)

      "Christians (et al) must give up a perverse, unhealthy and inhuman doctrine of predestination without in so doing making God the great scapegoat of history."

      "Nothing is determined in advance: in nature there is chance and determinism; in the world of human activity there is possibility of free choices.

      Therefore the historical future is not known even to God, otherwise we and our history would be merely a puppet show in which God holds the strings.

      For God, too, history is an adventure, an open history for and of men and women."

      January 5, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      the·ol·o·gy   [thee-ol-uh-jee] Show IPA
      noun, plural -gies.
      1.
      the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.

      So if your theologians start with God may not exist, are they then theologians?

      January 5, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • Reality

      Note:Schillebeeckx did not question the existence of god. I added the "if one exists" phrase to encompass the topic.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      But if you don't think God does not exist, why focus on and affirm what someone writes about God? How can you affirm this bad text. You must reject it, as with all the other text of God because "he does not exist". So since you also reject this text we are actually in agreement.

      January 5, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • derp

      They may be absolutely correct that they were called to enter the race. Who are we to know?

      But just because Bigfoot called them to enter the race doesn't mean He guaranteed them winning. Bigfoot calls us to many things in life. The point isn't always success, at least not in common terms. The point is that we grow and learn from our callings, ultimately impacting others around us for Unicorns.

      Their soul purpose for being called into the race could have been as simple as inspiring a teenager that will one day go one to become president and lead the country according to Bigfoot's will.

      But again, the point is not in winning the race. The point is following Bigfoot's will and trusting the outcome is His outcome.

      No difference

      January 5, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  17. Primewonk

    When mythological figures "talk" to people today, we diagnose them as being schizophrenic.

    When "god" talks to people today, they run for president or invade otheer countries.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Jesus

      If you carry on a conversation with Zeus versus God are you nuts? Does hearing words from God exempt you from being a nutcase?

      January 5, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  18. J.W

    They were probably all lying except for Santorum.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • OhPlz

      I hope that was a joke JW especially since in 2006 Santorum was on the list for being one of the most corrupt senators. You can't trust anything thing this guy does or says.

      January 5, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • J.W

      Oh no I would not vote for him. Unless something crazy happens I will vote for Obama.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
  19. Mike

    If you think about how unimaginably vast and massive the universe really is, do you really think that one person on a cosmological-speck-of-dust really speaks and understands the creator? It's more likely that candidates say these things to try to appeal to the voters who feel uncomfortable with change.

    January 5, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Nonimus

      It's more likely, I think, that the creator doesn't exist.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Mike

      @Nonimus

      The creator exists just as much as an imaginary friend exists to a 4-year old.

      January 5, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  20. Reality

    Dear Herman, Rick and Michele,

    A prayer you forgot about:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    (note: references available at your request)

    January 5, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      You started out with, "I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple..."

      And then you state "references available upon request."

      We don't need a reference that your statements are your belief. That's why it's called a belief.

      January 5, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
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