January 12th, 2012
02:33 PM ET
My Take: It's time to talk about sex at church – and marriage for clergy
Editor's note: Albert Cutié is an Episcopal cleric and former Roman Catholic priest known as Padre Alberto or "Father Oprah." He is the author of the memoir, "Dilemma: A Priest's Struggle with Faith and Love" and hosted the talk show "Father Albert." He's on Twitter @padrealberto.
By Fr. Albert Cutié, Special to CNN
(CNN) – I remember one of the stories shared about an old, revered Cuban pastor in the most popular Roman Catholic parish in Little Havana, near downtown Miami. He was often recognized as an outstanding local hero in the first stop for thousands of Cuban refugees, an area that is now home to thousands of Central American immigrants who also seek a better life in the United States.
One afternoon in the old dark church, 100 or so 7- to 12-year olds from the religious instruction classes known as “catecismo” were preparing to make their Lenten confession. The priest went through a list of the commandments and asked the children to think of any sins they may have committed so they could mention them once they sat face to face with a priest.Read the full story here from CNN's In America Blog.
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Seriously, why would anyone look to such an inexpert source (by church claims, although often apparently contradicted by priest experience) regarding sex?
I really wish religion would get banned. It's outlived its uselessness, and so have all of its followers. Just give it a rest already. There won't be a second coming of jesus. Only fools would believe in this fallacy. Yeah yeah yeah, "But we have freedom of religion!" You're free to keep that stupidity locked behind closed doors with your lousy sunday services. Keep it out of the public eye--after all it's nothing more than a disgusting eyesore.
Some days I miss the Atheistic sanity of Reality's post.
Maybe everyone you disagree with and dislike should just go away, shut up and leave you to rule and command. By the way some day every knee will bend before Jesus Christ. I believe you will realize not only how wrong you were but how glad you are that He is Lord of all.
Post by Chrism contains a thinly veiled form of the flawed argument known as Pascal's Wager.
fallacy spoting 101
Comon now you are really digging deep on that. one
What if a woman only had one ovary, and on it was an ectopic pregnancy. When the technology exists to remove ONLY the ectoptic fetus, is that gonna be ok ?
Actually fallacy, not, but you make the obvious fallacy of attempting to impute implication of strict Bayesian constraints on what should have been obviously an intentional exaggeration to make a point. Thanks for the effort though. Nice to see.
Timmy, what an incredibly display of your intelligence and careful consideration of the possible ramifications of technology in medical ethics. I assume you enjoy many a good tv show that explores difficult medical decisions. However, why would you consider your hypothetical example so difficult? Wouldn't a non-viable ectopic pregnancy that could be safely removed present no ethical dilemma?
And we wonder if the likes of Lenin and Stalin could once again kill tens of millions of Christians in America. With people like you around it is clear it could happen. Sad.
You appear as gifted in typing as you are with history.
Yes he was a Christian, at least when it was politically expedient for him to say he was. But, it is as irrelevant as Stalin's atheism. Neither acted out of religous conviction. It was all about power. Their religious views were as irrelevant as their star signs.
No he wasn't . Hitler as der fuher was his own god man to the national socialist movement. Hitler was an atheist but would use any lie he felt would advance his cause. He was as sincere in his church associations as he was with Neville Chamberlain.
I wouldn't call hitler a christian (although his actions were similar to what god commanded in the old testament), but he was not an atheist. He struggled with his beliefs, but ultimately, according to his own speeches and personal notes, he believed in god.
hitlers god was hitler, no amount of lies to the contrary will show him to be anything but the completed atheist he was.
Clergy take an oath of their own free will to abstain from doing it. It's their choice.
Prayer changes things
herbie, shut up.
Prayer advocate-Keep up the relentless good work!
Let the clergy get married.
As for bedroom chat at church, why? Is this just a means of drawing attention to christianity? "Oh Fred, let's go to church, they're really edgy and hip now because they talk about S*E*X openly!* Don't you think religion already has its filthy garbage fingers in enough of people's business already?
Pick you up Sunday at 11am sharp
Lovely. I'll be sure to triple-wrap it.
another crappy religious article from cnn
i wish they'd take all the believers out back and execute them
they are worthless
Know who else is worthless? People who are so stupid, they can't even use proper capitalization and punctuation in their 3-phrase replays. And by the way, you are too fat for a pet donkey.
Replays? Your Harvard thesis must be coming along nicely.
Church and a healthy attitude towards sex go together like Fukushima and a healthy immune system.
Like beer and football
LIke Sake and Sushi
Like God and Satan
Like good and evil
Like yin and yang
"Father Cutie" can now rejoin the RCC as a married priest just like many Episcopalian priests and bishops are doing these days. It is obvious that priestly celibacy in the RCC is beyond significant stupidity!!!! Then there are all those flaws in the RCC's history and theology. Ditto for Henry VIII's church!!!
Yes, but will he be able to bridge his vacation time?
"It’s like the big white elephant sitting in the middle of the room, yet nobody wants to see it."
-- No sir. (First a "white elephant" is an object which is economically "non-viable"...a "pink elephant" is usually an hallucination, and a "just plain" "elephant in the room", is a metaphor for a "truth that is being ignored".)
-- Secondly, no one disputes his a'ssertions about human s'exuality, and the rights of everyone to their own, (although his former, and many Christian sects, including many in his present one, DO exactly that with respect to anyone other than what they define as "straight"). The problem with his former position and the the life of the bishop he is talking about, is the HYPOCRISY involved in publicly living in "communion" with, and working in a position for an organization which REQUIRES exactly what he is denouncing. If they don't like the rules, get out, and stop lying to everyone. If the approach to se'xuality is flawed, just maybe it's a clue that the approach to a few other things may just be flawed, as well. maybe the whole edifice is a house of cards. 😈
Just curious did either of the following occur to you? 1. That the author knows the metaphor and just added two adjectives for emphasis and to be more colorful? 2. That a specific number of man made rules have been added and can be removed or changed that would only improve the church? (though i suppose that would make your argument the house of cards)
2. Their entire system of morality is based on the Platonic/Thomistic "natural law". We know now the as'sumptions underlying that are, in many cases, false. History, science, archaeology, psychology etc., etc. has proven it to BE a house of cards.
Father Oprah. Right. Got a book to sell. Right. Has a talk show. Right.
And Christians believe this huckster. Right.
He takes cash, credit cards, whatever you have.
I'm pretty sure this is the catholic priest a few years ago that was photographed on the beach in Miami with his girlfriend. It was quite the scandal. He left the catholic church, married his girlfriend and is now an episcopal cleric. On the bright side, he obviously likes grown women and not little boys, so that's a step up for catholic priests.
Yes, that's him. My issue is not with him having a lover – that is perfectly understandable and healthy. My issue is with the Dark Ages nonsense they use to terrorize little kids with stories about confessions and hell. It is pathetic and barbaric.
My wife and I were both catholic, her more so than me. right after my son went to his first confession, is when all the pedophiles started to come out of the woodwork in Boston. we lived near Boston at the time. we stepped back, evaluated our religion/faith and promptly realized that the only reason we went to church was because that was what we were programmed to do. we are atheists now. once you step back and look at it objectively, religion is stupid.
I think you are forgetting that some people are bi-se.xual and so can molest boys but hide it by being married.
Like that coach, Sandusky. He's married. And a pedo. What better place to hide than in an accepted form of relationship?
From the article:
"One afternoon in the old dark church, 100 or so 7- to 12-year olds from the religious instruction classes known as “catecismo” were preparing to make their Lenten confession. The priest went through a list of the commandments and asked the children to think of any sins they may have committed so they could mention them once they sat face to face with a priest."
What if one of the children "mentioned" he had been sodomized by a priest? Would the child be given Hail Marys or
Our fathers? Would it be assumed the 8 year old enticed the priest?
Would the child be told he would spend eternity burning in hell, if he mentioned this obvious lie to anyone else?
Would the child's confessor ask the boy to come back later for "special instructions"?
The Catholics and the Evangelicals make me want to puke.
If Christ came back he would drive his treacherous servants out of the temple with a whip. – Paul Goebbels
"One afternoon in the old dark church, 100 or so 7- to 12-year olds from the religious instruction classes known as “catecismo” were preparing to make their Lenten confession."
Kids, aged 7 to 12, confessing!! This is Dark Ages nonsense at its best. Teaching little kids of that age that they must tell some (likely $exually suspect) priest their "sins". How can a 7 year old kid, or a 12 year old for that matter, even "sin". How any thinkin gperson can believe this garbage in the 21st Century is beyond me.
If I had a Grandpa, who was as perverted as the Christian god, I'd have had him put in a home.
Christian thinking, has been a victim of their own make believe god.
A god that is more interested in our genitals, than in our welfare.
Oh, my believers! Remove your devotion to this latest crop of gods, and allow them to go where all forgotten gods go.
Any hope your god gives is false. Any help, is imagined. Any "inspired" bible a work of men, reflecting the morals and knowledge of ancient people. People obsessed with their genitals. Men scared of a women's va_gina.
You allow yourself to believe god helped you find your keys, but ignore that he allowed a child to die of cancer or starve.
A lovely day for a picnic! Thank you Jesus! Oh, an earthquake in Ja_pan you say? How many people died? Umm...Thank you Jesus?
There is no god peering at you, as you sit upon the toilet or holding another person.
When you pray, you are talking to yourself. Your brain generates any warm and fuzzy feelings, not a god or his agent. You can get the same results by praying and worshiping a carton of milk. All it takes is faith. Every member of every religion has these same feelings. You are not special.
Listen to your Uncle Dave! I will exorcise the silly from you! I will set you free!
You guys are great. Just knowing you post here has helped me many times to relax and stop trying to do it all by myself.
But still I forget at times. I am getting old and cranky.
When you wax poetic, David, it really is amazing stuff to read. And Colin also! I salute you both! Cheers!
Thanks Ironicus. I, too, enjoy the smooth, yet penetrating musings of David Johnson.
Colin what wine goes best with bull sh it?
Just Wondering – the blood of Christ.
you need it badly
Thank you both. I could not carry either of your shoes.
So did he actually change his last name to Cutie? He must have a pretty high opinion of himself.
Step back for a moment and think how completely absurd this is. They honestly believe that an infinitely-old, never-dying being, powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies, has a personal interest in their $ex lives. I guess that's what happens when you still believe Bronze Age Middle Eastern mythology in the 21st Century USA.
"I guess that's what happens when you still believe Bronze Age Middle Eastern mythology in the 21st Century USA."
Yes..we are so much more advanced. Now we have atheists worrying about the s e x lives of religious ppl. *rolls eyes*
Hey Swine, show me one single post here where an atheist cares about the sex life of a religious person. The only time we do that is when it is pedophilia. Go ahead, point it out.
Let me help you out there:
Look at the t_itle and it's theme.
Then look and see how many atheists just have to comment on it.
Then slap your forehead and go "like duh".
you still haven't proven anything you daft moron
no one really cares about what these stupid believers do in their bedrooms
Some of us post here because of the religulous predilection for s.exual repression and hypocrisy, which I never get tired of pointing out to people. I don't care what they do, I just care that they have no authority or credibility in what they say.
>>>"i wish they'd take all the believers out back and execute them"
I guess that is why some Atheist are here.
US, figure out the difference between "it's" and "its", boob.
S-ex is a big deal in peoples lives and a key indicator of the condition of their heart. That is why the Bible and God bring it up.
Uncouth Swain and Mark From Middle River are the same person. He goes by a couple other aliases as well, and gets really trollish at times. You can easily spot the style and the content.
"Uncouth Swain and Mark From Middle River are the same person."
That's news to me.
"US, figure out the difference between "it's" and "its"
I hear and obey Tom the Grammar Gestapo!
Hmm, TomTom, the other day it was Reiner and me that posted the same. Now you envision that now me and Swain are the same. What's wrong kid, in your mind there can not be more than one or two folks on our side that can engage in non flame war post with Atheist?
Heck, i like posting under my name and love taking credit for every character I punch in. Before it was I post to lengthy post and what we see from swain they do not look to lengthy? Tell me, are you just making this up as you go along?
If you wish to say that me and Swain are the same then ok, doesn't really effect me. I guess you are in that "punch drunk" phase and seeing me everywhere 🙂 Just know that I must be pretty effective or there are just others that disagree with you.
@the pet a s s- "no one really cares about what these stupid believers do in their bedrooms"
Of course my original comment wasn't about literally what they do in their bedrooms but don't let that get in the way of your rant.
Good golly, you're an idiot, Mark. I didn't make the accusation that you and US are one and the same. Get a clue, bonehead.
Hey, you asked for it, US, you little twerp.
@Marks from Middle River
I use my name and also love taking credit for each character I type. I am proud to be a freethinker.
I don't have any use for Evangelicals. They are fascists. I don't wish to find common ground with them. The separation of church and state is not negotiable.
Actually Swain doesn't seem to feel the need to correct every comment that he feels is morally deficient. But then, I don't call him the Blog's Moral Compass.
@Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son- "Hey, you asked for it, US, you little twerp."
Umm..no, I didn't. Learn to read. Oh..and good use of a ad hominem. Keep face planting youself into the debate floor. 😉
@David Johnson- "Actually Swain doesn't seem to feel the need to correct every comment that he feels is morally deficient. But then, I don't call him the Blog's Moral Compass."
Good grief no. I could be commenting 24/7 then on these boards if that was the case. People have different views and their is nothing wrong with that. Usually I just like to ruffle up the feathers of those that are dead set in their ways. Especially those that think they are enlightened but are really not much more than a different type of social sheep.
I want to have s.e.x at church!!
What no takers? I will be dressed in drag on the back pew. My hair smells pretty.
I have had se'x at church. It was fun.
looks like we've got a couple of altar boys here
It seems to me that "the church" should be able to determine its own rules. If you don't agree, find, or create, one that you do agree with.
Additionally, if you take a vow of celibacy, then I would think that having s.ex would break that vow, regardless of why you took it in the first place.
Just a thought,
As an athiest I always find theese types of observations strange.
Either the God you worship is divine and real, or he is solely in your head.
Your position is fine if you actually don't believe.
If their IS a God, I doubt he is going to be tolerant of "creative interpretations"!
I'm still undecided.
I guess if someone believes that the Catholic Church is the only true religion/church/mechanism for salvation and they want to be a priest and the want to be married after becoming a priest, then they might have a problem. However, if they also think that active priests should be able to get married, then they have a problem with the Catholic Church anyway, so leaving wouldn't be such a huge deal, I would think.
However, I am not in any one of those situations, so take it with a whole bag of salt.
fuc that noise! get rid of the bs, all of it! clean sweap.... you what we need here – the cleaners!
the f are you talking about?
your comments are dumb
Maybe he wants Harvey Keitel to show up wearing sunglasses.