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January 14th, 2012
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Christian conservative leaders vote to support SantorumBy Kevin Liptak, CNN (CNN) – A meeting of Christian conservative leaders resulted in the group backing GOP presidential hopeful Rick Santorum, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins announced Saturday. The group heard pitches from surrogates for Republican candidates on Friday, and voted to support Santorum after voting on Saturday. "After three rounds of balloting this morning, and vigorous and passionate discussion, there emerged a strong consensus around Rick Santorum as the preferred candidate for this group," Perkins said on a conference call Saturday. The group of conservative leaders was meeting at a Texas ranch to discuss the 2012 race, although ahead of the meeting it appeared unlikely the gathering would come to an agreement on backing a particular candidate.
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Santorum is NOT a Christian! He's a Catholic Church cultist! Catholicism is the religion of the Antichrist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5zylpNWxVo&NR=1
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For Conservatives, the good news is that polls today show that if President Obama ran against a steaming pile of manure, the manure would win. The bad news is that the same poll found that no conservative candidate polls anywhere near as well as the steaming pile of manure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-eOazoZt1g&feature=related
My you've gotten spammy over your sure-fire loser!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27esxkQtfTc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzl7TwnTu5Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi12aVa3psc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFtI9UL1kZo
Voters Choice: Ron Paul or Bibi Netanyahu
By William A. Cook
Why invade Iran ? Ask first, why did we invade Iraq ? Why did we not object to Israel 's bombing in Syria ? Why didn't we object to Israel 's invasion of Lebanon or Gaza ?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30256.htm
Our War on Terror and Aggression:
An update (or how we are spending or how we have spent the USA taxpayers’ money to eliminate global terror and aggression)
The terror and aggression via a Partial and Recent and Not So Recent Body Count
As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:
The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century
■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "
and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.
and more recently
1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured
1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh
2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured
3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf
4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]
5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.
6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.
7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.
8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.
9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.
10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror
11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.
12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.
13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,
14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.
15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.
16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.
17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.
18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.
19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011
20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011
21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.
22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.
23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "
Continued below:
Other elements of our War on Terror and Aggression:
-Operation Iraqi Freedom- The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US Troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles as of 09/15/2011/, 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf
– Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed mostly due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror,
– Sa-dd-am, his sons and major he-nchmen have been deleted. Sa-dd-am's bravado about WMD was one of his major mistakes. Kuwait was saved.
– Iran is being been contained. (beside containing the Sunni-Shiite civil war in Baghdad, that is the main reason we are in Iraq. And yes, essential oil continues to flow from the region.)
– North Korea is still u-ncivil but is contained.
– Northern Ireland is finally at peace.
– The Jews and Palestinians are being separated by walls. Hopefully the walls will follow the 1948 UN accords. Unfortunately the Annapolis Peace Conference was not successful. And unfortunately the recent events in Gaza has put this situation back to “squ-are one”. And this significant stupidity is driven by the mythical foundations of both religions!!!
– – Fa-na–tical Islam has basically been contained to the Middle East but a wall between India and Pakistan would be a plus for world peace. Ditto for a wall between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
– Timothy McVeigh was exe-cuted. Terry Nichols escaped the death penalty twice because of deadlocked juries. He was sentenced to 161 consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole,[3][7] and is incarcerated in ADX Florence, a super maximum security prison near Florence, Colorado. He shares a cellblock that is commonly referred to as "Bombers Row" with Ramzi Yousef and Ted Kaczynski
– Eric Ru-dolph is spending three life terms in pri-son with no par-ole.
– Jim Jones, David Koresh, Kaczynski, the "nuns" from Rwanda, and the KKK were all dealt with and either eliminated themselves or are being punished.
– Islamic Sudan, Dar-fur and So-malia are still terror hot spots.
– The terror and tor-ture of Muslims in Bosnia, Kosovo and Kuwait were ended by the proper application of the military forces of the USA and her freedom-loving friends. Ra-dovan Karadzic was finally captured on 7/23/08 and is charged with genocide, crimes against humanity and violations of the law of war – charges related to the 1992-1995 civil war that followed Bosnia-Herzegovina's secession from Yugoslavia.
The capture of Ratko Mladić: (Serbian Cyrillic: Ратко Младић, pronounced [râtkɔ mlǎːditɕ], born 12 March 1943[1][2]) is an accused war criminal and a former Bosnian Serb military leader. On May 31, 2011, Mladić was extradited to The Hague, where he was processed at the detention center that holds suspects for the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).[3] His trial began on 3 June 2011.
– the bloody terror brought about by the Ja-panese, Na-zis and Co-mmunists was with great difficulty eliminated by the good guys.
– Bin Laden was executed for crimes against humanity on May 1, 2011
– Ditto for Anwar al-Awlaki on September 30, 2011
Santorum would be a good choice for President, he would actually follow his values on laws.
Oh, those fine Santorum values. Not. Let's look at the Christian values of Santorum et al, such as unfair eternal torture for putting a foot wrong in a short mortal life. And don't forget those brutal animal sacrifices that your Christian god wants you to do, the nasty jerk. According to the bible, that makes your sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. Read Matthew. No exceptions. If you disagree, look it up. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is. And then ask why your "loving" sky fairy so hates amputees that he won't heal them.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Be free of religion in 2012.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
@Bob those fantastic values such as not stealing, not killing, not committing adultery, not being envious of your neighbor, etc... loving your neighbor as yourself. Treating others as you want ot be treated. Yes, non-believers and unrepentant sinners will get thrown into the lake of fire. If you get yourself saved, and follow the Lord Jesus Christ, and you repent your sins in your heart, you have nothing to worry about. Now please stop spamming.
godistheway: non believers cannot fear your empty proxy threats
@GodIsTheWay
I hate saying this, but Christianity does not have a monopoly on the creation of morality. The guilt of killing, stealing, etc. can easily be explained as an evolutionary imperative. Being a creature of communities, stealing and killing would weaken the community as a whole. The commandments do not seem so much divinely inspired laws of God, rather they seem more of learned group behaviours that foster prosperity in a community. Note please that I am not discounting you out of hand, I am merely asking that you do not act as though Chrisitianity created all morality, as there is no real use in speculating whether it has or not. If implying that Christianity was responsible for morality was not your intent then I apologize for assuming as such, but I have seen that claim very often.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5zylpNWxVo&NR=1
TROLL Alert – don't bother watching this garbage, click the report abuse link to get rid of this stupid TROLL!
Prayer changes things
Prayer makes people like me think that we have supernatural magic powers
Prayer makes you think you are really special when everyone else thinks you are a whack-brain loser
God is just sitting around with nothing better to do than obey what I ask for in prayers
Prayer saves me from thinking, and I hate thinking.
(only for the "newbies")
Free Will and Future are inherent to all the thinking beings in the Universe. This being the case, it is not possible to alter life with prayers. Statistically, your request might come true but it is simply the result of the variability/randomness of Nature..
So put down your rosaries and prayer beads and stop worshiping/revering cows or bowing to Mecca five times a day. Instead work hard at your job, take care of aging parents, volunteer at a soup kitchen, donate to charities and the poor and continue to follow the proper rules of your religion or any good rules of living as gracious and good human beings.
best response to a reality post? hit report abuse and move on
Prayer changes lives
Prayer is communication with God
God alone has what could be described as supernatural powers
Prayer is listening to God despite the cost
God is special God is love
Prayer invigorates thought and reveals knowledge to mankind
Prayer is the substance
Of a well ordered life
Prayer really changes things
The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)
Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????
I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)
Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,
He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
Jerusalem.
Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.
Amen
(some of the references used for the update)
o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
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2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
– a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–
30-60 CE Passion Narrative
40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
50-60 1 Thessalonians
50-60 Philippians
50-60 Galatians
50-60 1 Corinthians
50-60 2 Corinthians
50-60 Romans
50-60 Philemon
50-80 Colossians
50-90 Signs Gospel
50-95 Book of Hebrews
50-120 Didache
50-140 Gospel of Thomas
50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
65-80 Gospel of Mark
70-100 Epistle of James
70-120 Egerton Gospel
70-160 Gospel of Peter
70-160 Secret Mark
70-200 Fayyum Fragment
70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
80-100 2 Thessalonians
80-100 Ephesians
80-100 Gospel of Matthew
80-110 1 Peter
80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
80-130 Gospel of Luke
80-130 Acts of the Apostles
80-140 1 Clement
80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
80-250 Christian Sibyllines
90-95 Apocalypse of John
90-120 Gospel of John
90-120 1 John
90-120 2 John
90-120 3 John
90-120 Epistle of Jude
93 Flavius Josephus
100-150 1 Timothy
100-150 2 Timothy
100-150 T-itus
100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
100-150 Secret Book of James
100-150 Preaching of Peter
100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
100-160 2 Peter
3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
– "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm
9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.
In 1996, the Santorums' son Gabriel was born prematurely and died two hours later. Karen wrote that she and Rick brought the deceased infant home from the hospital and introduced him to their children as "your brother Gabriel", before having the infant buried.
Frankly, that is so creepy its a wonder anyone can stand him or his family, yet it is not hard to hide psychosis from casual inspection, so I'm guessing everyone pretends it isn't an issue or something.
Just ask any serial killer. You can justify anything if you're psychotic.
I guess it's somewhat creepy, but it pegs nowhere near as far as some of his other religious and political views.
It's very common that those that preach the most are the most insecure. Hence this fruitcake – Santorum.
Prayer changes things
Pray without ceasing in 2012
The success of a nation
Is founded on prayer
A good leader prays to God
A great leader acts on prayer
Prayer changes things
Prayer closes the mind.
Prayer makes you think you did something real instead of imaginary.
Prayer allows the mind of Christ to work through man
Prayer allows entry into the spiritual realm
Prayer allows entry into the eternal realm
Prayer changes lives
And Zeus will guide us!
Quick! Light the temple candles!
We need Zeus to see our devotion and because it's getting really dark!
Hand me that bowl full of drugs! We need visions! Visions I say!
I AM tell them I AM has sent you to them
Nope. Nothing. Want to try again? Go ahead and keep wasting your time. There are no gods. There is nothing there.
I made up my own prayer, and religion 20 years ago, called sevenism. Say "seven", seven times and your prayer will be answered.
It actually works, the same way prayer works: sometimes, by accident.
This nutjob above posting about his 'wonder of prayers' apparently hasn't notice that it doesn't even work for himself.
The success of a nation is founded on getting off your a.ss and doing something, not sitting around praying, you boring troll. Stop posting the same nonsense over and over.
Thank you sir may I have another!!
Oh, those fine Christian values. I'm surprised that idiot Christians still try to pull off those bullcrap claims. Let's look at the Christian values of Santorum et al, such as unfair eternal torture for putting a foot wrong in a short mortal life. And don't forget those brutal animal sacrifices that your Christian god wants you to do, the nasty bastard. According to the bible, that makes your sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. Read Matthew. No exceptions. If you disagree, look it up. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is. And then ask why your "loving" sky fairy so hates amputees that he won't heal them.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Be free of religion in 2012.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Bob, the only thing your constant re-posts does is show you that your are incapable of an original thought.
VanHagar Swain, you have yet to counter anything in Bob's post.
Instead, you just use a lazy ad hominem. I guess you're bored but can't quite muster up a real argument. It shows.
VanHagar, I find that you Christians need frequent and repeti-tious reminders of your many idiocies.
Maybe when you reply with actual substance for a change, I'll post something new. My IQ is probably at least 30 points higher than yours, and I have far more original publications than you will get in your whole boring lifetime, so don't try the originality line on me, asshole. Go fuck yourself, stupid; that's probably the only action you can get.
hey bob-have you ever heard of NT in the Bible?
any idea why the Bible is divided into the Old Testament and the New Testament ?
Ironicus, I did counter Bob-many posts ago–I don't have to repeat myself like Bob. Pay Attention next time.
Bob, given your vulgarities, the only thing I can imagine you've published are comic books. Thank you for reminding us all of the arrogrance of the atheists.
Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
The law refers to the Hebrew law (or Torah), which are the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
The origins of the Bible, in 15 minutes :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg
MILLIONS TO BE ASSASSINATED FOR THE SAKE OF $$$ LIABILITIES(mk-ultra, chip implants, electroshocks etc. performed on them) AND NEW WORLD ORDER(multiculturalism = terrorism) POLITICAL AGENDA KNOWN AS "YOU ARE NEXT"(financial liabilities are 2 expensive for the government and it is cheaper to get read of you instead) !!! IF YOU WERE TREATED WITH ELECTROSHOCKS OR DRUGS USED FOR WIPING OUT MEMORY(numerous Americans and Europeans were and are) AFTER ENDURING FORCED CHIP IMPLANTS(exactly how BRAIN CANCER AND HOMELESS people are produced), YOU ARE SCHEDULED NEXT !!!
NOW YOU KNOW WHAT ORWELLIAN UNITED STATES CONGRESS(USSR#2 which consists of lawyers or what are liars, physicians/doctors and family members of effected individuals who suffered some sort of brain desease etc....lawyers, so crime per physicians OR WHAT IS HUMAN EXPERIMENTATION can get away with it) AND OTHER GOVERNMENTS WORLDWIDE ARE SOOO BUSY WITH WHEN PLAYING/CLOWNING(acting) IN FRONT OF CAMERAS ONLY HOW SOMETHING HAVE TO BE DONE(deliberately omitting/delaying facts of genocide as seen on this complain)....NO DIFFERENT FROM ROMNEY WHOSE FATHER EXCELLED AFTER GM WAS DELIBERATELY SCREWED/BANKRUPT LIKE AMERICA TODAY(soon to be success based on deliberate sabotage which is nothing else than grand treason/betrayal with acts of genocide against targeted white population) !!!
http://myshortbiography.blogspot.com/
LEARN TRUTH ABOUT UNITED NATIONS, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL AS WELL AS NEW WORLD ORDER(MULTICULTURALISM = TERRORISM) GOVERNMENTS(Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) !!! NOT THERE TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS, BUT TO DENY YOUR RIGHT TO EXISTENCE !!!
ABDUCTIONS / FORCED BRAIN ELECTRODE/CHIP IMPLANTS / BLACKLISTING / FORCEFUL UNEMPLOYMENT / MK-ULTRA BRAINWASHING AND ASSASSINATIONS(we don't need you any more) AGAINST WHITE(under "NAZI" lie) CIVILIAN POPULATION TODAY IN 2011/2012 ACROSS THE EUROPE AND NORTHERN AMERICA !!!
http://myshortbiography.blogspot.com/
Related to WHITES ARE NOT WELCOME IN AMERICA ANY LONGER !!! OUT OF AMERICA WITH WHITES !!! WHY TO ACCEPT LIABILITIES FOR CRIMES COMMITTED WHEN WE CAN SIMPLY ASSASSINATE OUR VICTIMS(YOU) THANKS TO HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS AND FREE PRESS/MEDIA(most severe censorship of genocide ever !!!)!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xGfYOAydjw
OR
http://www.youtube.com/user/BostjanAvsec OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE RECORDED LIVE IN 2009 !!! EXILING WHITES(US citizens) WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE AND IMPORTING NON WHITES IMMIGRATION REQUIREMENTS FREE !!!
I will vote for whomever has the best policies and you should too. Don't just vote on if they are a Christian or not. I am a Christian but I need to trust whomever is in the white house. Dem or Rep or Indy.
one of the strongest pro-life advocates was democrat Bob Casey Sr. Its definitely the issues and policies, not dem or rep. Just turns out these days it's mostly rep that support many Christian values. And strangely Obama is Christian but has directly fought to increase federal funding for abortion. Thank God some pro-life democrats made Obama back down when he pushing through Obamacare. Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich all better support many of the most important Christian values.
Oh, those Christian values. I'm surprised you people still try to pull off those stinking bullcrap claims. Let's look at the Christian values of Santorum et al, such as unfair eternal torture for putting a foot wrong in a short mortal life. And don't forget those brutal animal sacrifices that your Christian god wants you to do, the nasty bastard. According to the bible, that makes your sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. Read Matthew. No exceptions. If you disagree, look it up. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is. And then ask why your "loving" sky fairy so hates amputees that he won't heal them.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Be free of religion in 2012.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Bob's less interested in stopping abortion than in what his sky fairy wants you to do.
I don't care if Bob Casey or any other candidate for any office can walk on water, cure cancer, and make elephants fly out of your ass, chrism. I don't care what party affiliation a candidate has. If he opposes a woman's right to choose what is best for her without government interference, I wouldn't vote for him.
Bob, did you copy and paste that from the other day? See my response on the other page.
Tom, look in any medical embryology textbook and you'll see a new human life begins with conception. Simply accept the medical definition and that life is fully endowed with rights already – by it's Creator God. Seems like our country did fine for 200 years restricting it. And I'm more for women's right to their bodies than you are Tom. You're only 50%. I'm 100% I'm for protecting mother and daughter. So I'd allow exceptions for ra.pe, incest and medical need. Id also have no penalty at all. I just don't want federal dollars for unrestricted abortions as Obama has fought for. People often take the path of least resistance. I see no reason to make it easier than it needs to be.
There are many instances of the Christian sky-fairy supporting abortion in the Bible. For example, in Numbers 31:17, Moses says “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion.
You need to read up on your history, chrism. Abortion has been legal for far more of our history than it was ever illegal. An embryo or fetus is alive. It does not have legal rights. What you think your god 'gave' it is of no concern to me, nor does it have the slightest bearing on the law. You aren't 100% for women at all, you phony, if you make statements like "I see no reason to make it easier than it needs to be." YOU aren't in charge of making any procedure that is none of your business harder for anyone. If you don't like abortion, don't ever, ever have one. You have no say in what someone else does with her body OR its contents. None.
Tom, wow, take your own advice you seem to know little about the history in the us. Immediately prior to roe v wade it was illegal in 30 states and going back further it was illegal in most to all states. Just wrong. And why do you give a non sequitur on rights which I already know? As I said, if the country simply went by the medical definition, a human would have rights from the moment of conception. Tom, you're the only phony here. You intentionally ignore and distort what I say. I'm for 100% of women's rights and as I said you're only for 50% . And I gave you the rationale to not make easier, people take the path of least resistance. Follows quite logically don't make it easier. And listen hypocrite, don't talk about being in charge when you're all about promoting the agenda you believe in. All citizens have the right to speak up for what is moral. Hate to break it to you, you have no special privilege there. And you don't get it, the only question is when does life begin. If life begins at conception, no, it's you who have no right to justify unnecessary termination of human lives – you're the one not minding your business and advocating the unnecessary termination of human life. That's why it all comes down to when life begins, and as I said you can take out your opinion and religion, just go by the medical textbooks and there you have it.
Chrism. Sperm and eggs are living by any definition of the term. Do you feel you commit mass murder when you mas.turbate?
Who said you couldn't voice your opinion? Be llow it all you want. When life begins is not the issue and never was; nothing you can say will make that so. This is not a theocracy and your beliefs are not the basis for law. The issue is when rights begin and whose rights trump. The rights guaranteed by the Const i t ution pertain to those born, not to fetuses. Women do not give up the right to bodily inte gri ty when they become pregnant. You can dispute it all you wish, but it will have no impact. Religion doesn't get the say here-laws do.
Furthermore, read history. Cite proof that abortion was completely illegal when the Cons ti tution was written, chrism. Go ahead, and be sure to cite a widely-accepted, neutral source. The fact is that abortion was legal then and was even pu blicly advertised. Why didn't the founders outlaw it then? Because they knew it wasn't their business, that it was a private matter.
Abortion was legal for most of our nation's history. Go ahead and prove otherwise. I don't care how many states outlawed it for a few de cades, so don't get your bo wels in an uproar accusing me of "twisting" your words, you twit. YOU are the one changing the subject–it's not the number of states I mentioned. It's the number of years.
You are a hypoc rite, in addition, if you co n tend that a fetus has some "right to life" but approve of abortion in cases of ra pe or in cest. What difference does it make how the fetus was conceived, if it's so sacred? What you're REALLY intent on doing is punishing women who choose to have s3x and who get pregnant.
You're a hoot, chrism, bar fing your silly nonsense about 'taking the path of least resistance". It ain't your path, dufus. You can have your opinion, dearie, but you don't get to remove rights from others simply because you think their behavior is "immoral."
And chrism, since you're SUCH an expert on the subject, maybe YOU can answer this little puzzle. I've posted it to dummies like you many times, and not one of you can manage to figure out how to solve it.
Suppose a woman is pregnant. Her doctors determine that her fetus must have surgery in utero. The woman does not want said surgery. What happens if the fetus has 'equal rights'? Can the woman then be forced to have surgery against her will? How, if she has "equal rights", too?
People can't be forced by law to donate so much as a drop of blood, even if it's a case of life or death. Under what circ um stances is any person subject to legal compulsion to give up such rights? Pregnancy? Not on your tintype, dear.
Very well said, Tom! But I doubt Chrism has the brains to listen. He's the sort that needs physical correction. A lot.
Abortion laws didn't even begin to appear in the US until the 1820s. It wasn't until 1900 that almost all abortions were outlawed. And then in 1973, R v W decided the matter.
See if you can manage the math, chrism.
Yeah, chrism, that's what I figured. You anti-choice zealots never think about the consequences of your absurd notions.
chrism is a fake doctor. She keeps saying "moment of conception", and makes people think she is a Catholik. In fact the Catliks says it's a person from the moment of fertilization.
chrism is a typical fundie. She, like all the rest, can't figure out that there is no way to accord a fetus "equal rights". Chad faked it at one time with some lame attempt at impersonating a sentient being, but failed to present ANY solution-because there isn't one at this time.
The founders knew what they were doing.
What's really telling is that the same fundie dopes will whine and b!tch about government intrusion into their personal lives until it comes to this issue. They're blind to the fact that someone else's medical decisions are not up to the government and they're not up to any 'god', either.
chrism, you're an idiot, and neither you or anyone else gets to tell women what they can or can't do with their bodies. Ever.
Geez! Look at that woman standing next to him. Is that his wife? She looks like the grandma in the show "Flowers In The Attic".
She would be the only birth control I would need.
Cheers!
LOL
I didn't notice the first time a saw the photo. My GOD she is scary. Can you imagine her as the first lady? NO child left behind!
I guess you guys aren't feeling gentlemanly at the moment.
I can't say I respect you for hatin' on some woman's looks even though you are usually intelligent about other stuff.
She can't help how she looks anymore than you can!
And she just looks really tired to me.
She's insane, sure, but her looks are neither here nor there.
I beg to differ. She could:
A) smile
B) Ease up on the botox
C) Work on a new look that is less frightening, maybe a playful bob.
D) Replace the death stare with something resembling empathy or caring or whatever. She is scary!
She looks like Michelle Bachmann on prozac.