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Many South Carolina evangelicals focus on piety over politics
Pastor C.L. O'Bryan outside of Cornerstone Pentecostal Church in North Augusta, South Carolina
January 16th, 2012
10:24 PM ET

Many South Carolina evangelicals focus on piety over politics

Editor's note: Listen to the CNN Radio broadcast on South Carolina evangelicals:

By John Sepulvado, CNN Radio

(CNN) - More than 150 influential evangelical leaders went to a ranch outside of Houston over the weekend to pick an alternative to GOP presidential front runner Mitt Romney. They emerged backing former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

But in the early primary state of South Carolina, with voters scheduled to go to the polls on Saturday and candidates working the state furiously this week, local evangelical pastors are using their influence to rally church members towards salvation, not electioneering.

"You won't hear me giving any political commentary at all," says Lexington Fellowship Baptist Pastor Don Bell. "I mean, I'll never say never, but God's word is where it's at."

"I consider myself to be a conservative," says North Augusta Cornerstone Pentecostal Pastor C.L. O'Bryan. "But our focus right now is on our flock, not Washington politics."

South Carolina evangelicals have helped boost the candidacies of George W. Bush in 2000 and Ronald Reagan in 1980. Santorum, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Texas Gov. Rick Perry are all trying to rally the evangelical vote in an effort to swing momentum away from Romney.

And it would seem evangelical voters could help them do just that. There's a deep skepticism about the former Massachusetts governor's Mormon faith and evolving position on abortion.

"I do not agree with him on every issue," O'Bryan says. "And I would like to see a president with a more biblical perspective."

Yet, while the candidates vie to present themselves as "true" conservatives, many evangelical voters have concerns about Gingrich's personal life, Perry's verbal gaffes, and Santorum's viability. Many born-again church goers in the state have resigned themselves to the outlook that Romney will be the eventual GOP nominee.

O'Bryan says he believes it's God's plan for the U.S. to "fall away" from Christianity, and is telling his congregation to prepare for "the end times," regardless of who is elected. Fellowship Baptist Elder Brian Hoyle in Lexington says unlike previous years, many of the churchgoers he knows in rural areas around Columbia are keeping quiet about politics and focusing on their own piety.

"I think there's a recognition that now there is only so much man can do," Hoyle explains. "I don't get much into politics."

"At this point," adds Fellowship Baptist's Bell, "if we're looking to Washington for answers to our problems, we're really in trouble."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Politics • South Carolina

soundoff (470 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    From sun up to sundown
    Trust in the Lord
    And talk with Him throughout the day
    Joy and peace are found in prayer
    Prayer really changes things

    January 17, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for unicorns and other imaginary things

      Prayer changes diapers
      Believe in the Lord
      Jack Lord
      Pray to the Lord
      Pray early, pray often
      So that Wo Fat does not take over the Hawaiian Islands

      January 17, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • TR6

      Prayer is like taking heroin for a broken leg. It may make you feel better; but, it does nothing for the leg

      January 18, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  2. Answer

    A comparative study of exchanges...

    ===excerpts of posts==

    1)
    Fred

    "Final kibosh" ?
    More like EPIC FAIL with your name on it.
    Change your handle from Reality to "Loser Boy" and you will be more on target.

    -
    2)
    Answer

    @GodIsTheWay

    God is nothing. Your kind is only interested in embedding itself into every corner of life. Religion does not fit into life at all – it's presently trying to disguise itself as an alternative route in science – aka "Intelligent Design". It's bullocks!

    This world does not need religion any longer. It should plainly die off – for the sake of humanity!

    -
    3)
    GodIsTheWay

    @Answer: You will speak politely and respectfully. I am. I am not attacking you and what you think, you will NOT attack me and my beliefs. Either stow it or add to the conversation at hand in a positive manner. Those are your options.

    -
    fred

    Answer
    Thank you for showing the contrast between a Christian and an atheist

    -
    5)

    VanHagar

    @Answer–truth has no ownership.

    ======

    Do not tolerate religion. Do not spare their feelings. Go all out and ridicule them. 🙂

    January 17, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      God dam mongorlian bullls with teets trying aggrevat me no listen! Pray this pray that making me angreeee again it no good for you , you no understand, bad big man make me burn rice!

      January 17, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Answer

      ARRGR

      NO BURN RICE! NO BURN RICE – FOOD.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Stupid mongorlians

      January 17, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Answer

      LOL

      January 17, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
  3. Ungodly Discipline

    God dam mongolrians tear down my wall all the time never listen just bitter athiest talking no good for you! big bad man make you burn flied lice in fire, you know listen. You need listen god dam mongorlians alway maing me angreeeeeeee!

    January 17, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  4. kevin Russell

    Once again, the comments on this site have degraded into “ You can’t prove God doesn’t exist! So he does.” followed by “You can’t prove he does! So he doesn’t”. Do any of you really find comfort in any of this?
    Just for variety, let me tell you where I stand:
    I started to lose faith in the Catholic church in 2nd grade when a nun hit me with a yard stick for asking questions she couldn’t answer. As I learned what kind of contradictions and immoral stuff was in the Bible, I lost more faith. When I figured out the church was lying (mostly by omission) I lost more faith. When I learned that the priests had been r@ping children for at least 2 generations, and those who weren’t doing it covered it up – I lost all faith in the Catholic church. Not because some of them were criminals, but because they never stopped voluntarily. They only admitted it because they got caught too many times to cover it up.
    Scientology convinced me there is no God. Scientology is a growing religion based on secret doctrine. Think that through for a minute. They won’t even tell you what they believe until you reach a status/level/whatever within their organization. If people can fall for that, they can fall for the Bible, Koran, or almost anything.

    Religion is a tool to control the masses.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Do you have a point or........

      January 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • kevin Russell

      My point is if one religion can exist without a God, they all can.
      L Ron Hubbard is not a God.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      He's not?

      January 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
  5. HotAirAce

    So Rick Perry's new strategy is to win the GOP nomination by taking on that hotbed of islamic terrorism Turkey for "allowing" honor killings! Allowing as in the same way the USA allows murder. Yes, America should be very proud of producing intellectuals such as Perry, Bachmann and Palin. And George.

    January 17, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  6. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Prayer lets God be God
    Prayer takes many forms
    Pray without ceasing in 2012

    January 17, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Pray even when you already praying
      Tell the voices in your head to move aside
      Make more room for more voices and more praying

      January 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Prayer is freaking awesome
      Prayer is the other thing I do privately at night
      Prayer is kind of a funny word. It's sort of like Layer, but isn't pronounced the same way.
      Because otherwise "Layer" would be pronounced something more like "Lair".
      I'd die for a good Lair cake right now.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • TR6

      Prayer is being in a room with no light
      looking for a black cat
      that isn't there
      and yelling "I've found it"

      January 17, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
  7. Muneef

    Piety or Charity is a good thing which we call in Islam as Zakah and as Sadakah, it is a good thing when it meant to support the poorest to face the hard living and hanger... But it is not good at all when it is used to finance the killing of people as it is happening those financing the Israeli regime to kill Palestinians or suicidal bombers to terrorize people be it Muslims or non Muslims...

    January 17, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Muneef, I thought Islamic charity was throwing acid in young girls faces for their own good and stoning woman for their own good and raping woman and then accusing the woman of showing their eyes and then more rock throwing (for their own good).

      January 17, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Ironicus

      UD, those are peaceful ways of "allah" who is nothing but a pile of shlt. Do not mock a pile of shlt! Why? I don't know...

      January 17, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • Muneef

      That is the Islamic charity of the Ignorents but not of the Islamists who leave their faith to GOD... No one has the right of taking the laws into his own hands..nor has the right to hurt others.
      So it is not right to blame a honest pure belief for actions of weak souled ignorents who know not of Islam but a drop of water out of an oceans of waters...
      At least I know that I am a Muslim out of many who do not do such things nor that it is mentioned in any where in the Quran to do such things of hurt to others free choices...!

      January 18, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Muneef

      They say man's enemies are Five:
      An infidel confronting him.
      A Satan misguiding him astray.
      A hypocrite de-spising him.
      A believer that envy's him.
      A soul conflicting him.
      May God protect and assist us on those five with which man can not find """"Peace on Earth nor Spray Love Around"""""

      January 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Muneef

      "Life is what you make out of it.
      If you do good you shall be rewarded as such and some times in Multiples, if you do bad the reward will be the same".

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      January 18, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  8. Ungodly Discipline

    We are, all of us made of the very same stuff.

    The same stuff as your carpet, the same stuff as a hamburger, the same stuff as giraffe, the same stuff as your chair, the same stuff as a Redwood tree, the same stuff as everything.

    You, me and every animate and inanimate object, including the Earth itself, the planets and rocks in our solar system, the Galaxy and the Universe are, at the micro level, not just related, but part of the very fabric of space and time. And we always will be.

    Everything that is going to exist, does exist. At least in terms of something we can modestly comprehend.

    Now, where is the Heaven and Hell? Is it made of the same stuff? If it exists, then it IS.

    IF it is, it can be found and understood. Questions?

    January 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      We're made of eggs, too, aren't we. I knew it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Do you want to buy a duck?

      January 17, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      For some reason I feel like maybe that question is more loaded than it appears. And I like it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • George

      Your logic is faulty because it assumes that nothing exists beyond the physical world.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Answer

      @George

      You and logic? Funny!

      January 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      All he's saying George is that everything that is claimed as existing, is part of existence.

      God can't both exist, and be separate from existence at the same time.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Go away, George. There's persecution not being perpetrated while you're wasting time here.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      George, something can't be nothing.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Answer

      @Fookin' Prawn

      "Go away, George. There's persecution not being perpetrated while you're wasting time here."

      –>Absolutely hilarious!! Very sweet!

      January 17, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      I just know he'll be upset if he can't get his daily quota done!

      January 17, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    I'm real proud of myself for getting all you people to talk! I'm going to list a bunch of other sentences that start with "Prayer". Because that shines a light on my ability to devise sentences that start with "Prayer"!

    January 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • Answer

      You've just caved in from being a robot. 🙂 Nice to see.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      the poster is a fraud and not very original enjoy the fake

      January 17, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Answer

      @just saying

      Sure thing pet dog.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • just sayin

      P T Barnum said it best , you just got born answer

      January 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Answer

      There are way too many who are born. Being 'born again' – now that's silly.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Ironicus

      Go die in a fire, herbie.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
  10. George

    We talk a lot about politics in my church. Especially how it is a duty on all of us to help save America's soul and get us out of the moral sewer. American morality is at an all time low. This concerns churches and Christians everywhere, and we have got to elect leaders who can help bring American back to God . Too much secularism. We need to bring back old-fashioned values.

    January 17, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • J.W

      Unfortunately there are no candidates like that, so I will just stick to what we have now.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      George, do we have to do this every day. Our government is secular. If you don't love America, MOVE! (and for God's sake get OUT OF THE SEWER!) That is just gross.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      George, were you thinking about Gays all night again? That would explain it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • George

      Ungodly,

      I LOVE America, and I will never move. This is the best nation on the face of the earth that has ever existed at any time in the history of the world. But I will fight against the secularists. I will fight to see that America gets back to God who made her great.

      It's not just the hom.os.exuals who are destroying America – for.nicators, adulters, liars, cheaters, etc. are all dragging us down for the greatness we were ordained by God to be. We need leaders who will enforce Christian morality in this great nation.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Curious

      Here is what I think that would involve (for starters):

      1) Make birth control illegal. Old fashioned values took a big hit when the pill came around in 1960.

      2) Make abortion illegal.

      3) Make hom.ose.xuality illegal.

      4) Repeal the First Amendment.

      5) Put a Christian amendment in place that declares orthodox Christianity the official religion of the United States.

      6) End the welfare state and allow it to be replaced in a natural way by a solid work ethic.

      7) End state-sponsored handouts and allow churches and individuals to identify genuine need and respond accordingly.

      8) End legalized gambling and pros.ti.tution in all the states.

      9) Repeal the Tenth Amendment.

      10) All powers not delegated to the United States, or prohibited to the states, are assigned to an ecclesiastical council that will act on behalf of the churches and the people.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Answer

      @Curious

      You had your chance. Lost it. Now you're crying about it.

      The world is indeed a better place that now religion is on the losing end of things. Keep up the progress on change! Freedom from all religions!

      January 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • George

      @Curious

      I agree with all your points except 9 and 10. No one wants a theocracy. But we do want morality enforced. We also think that forn.ication and adultry should be legal with serious consequences.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      George, when was there ever a time in human history when there weren't hom.os.exuals, for.nicators, adulters, liars, cheaters, etc.? In every nation! The leaders are the worst of the lot. WAKE UP Georgey! Embrace your new life style as a hom.os.exal! Go get some action man!!

      January 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Curious

      @Answer: I'm just observing. I invite George to add or subtract from it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • George

      Actually, fornication is okay as long as the h.o.m.o.s.e.xuals don't do it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Curious

      "We also think that forn.ication and adultry should be legal with serious consequences." Do you mean to say illegal? ALso, what about so.domy?

      January 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • George

      Me and my church are the only ones who can come up with a plan to save this godforsaken country from the plague of non believers and fornicators. We see the truth and are working to change things to our own liking. Things should be the way we want them. God won't stand for less. You'll see. Santorum 2012.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • George

      @Ungodly

      First of all, America is not just any nation. We are ordained by God. Second, it may have existed, but it was dampened by the law and by the moral culture. We have lost that moral culture and the legal sanctions.

      @Curious

      Of course, so.domy and also por.nography should be illegal. There is a lot that you left out that we have in the Christian agenda.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @George

      Yup we can all totally tell that you don't want a theocracy.
      /sarcasm

      People like you make me sick to my stomach, twisting teachings that were about personal behaviors and attempting to force all others to be held to what you believe. Keep your religion to yourself, and keep it far away from politics. You are obviously mentally unstable.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • George

      @Other George

      "Actually, fornication is okay as long as the h.o.m.o.s.e.xuals don't do it."

      No, for.nication is sin. It is always wrong, and there are many people burning in hell because of it.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • George

      HawaiiGuest

      I'm sorry, but we live in a democratic republic. And Christians are citizens too. We will vote with our consciences.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • George

      And we will make sure our way is the only way, because our definition of morality is the only one.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • Anatomically Bombed

      "American morality is at an all time low." "We need to bring back old-fashioned values."

      What is more righteous, to throw a person in prison for marrying a person of another color or of the same gender? Your old fashioned values used to do the former, and your current values want to do the latter. The real answer is neither are righteous, much like the people who pushed/push for them.

      What we need is to peel off the disgusting old greasy skin that's covered in racism, fear and hatred and chuck it into the flames of history. If you look fondly upon our bloody path of violence and slavery then go ahead and jump in after the burning, crackling skin ablaze on the pyre of reason and justice. If a prosperous America is the island we want to occupy then we need to burn the boats that got us here, theres no going back to the ignorant past.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Answer

      @George

      You will die for it. Cheers to know that your kind will die off because we won't let you do as you want. 🙂

      January 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      "I'm sorry, but we live in a democratic republic."

      What you keep describing is not a democratic republic. I know that's hard for you to see, because you're batsh!t insane, but I thought I'd throw that out there. Let's talk about what we'll do with the women, right, George? Good old fashioned values and submissive women, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen again. I think we should take away their right to vote, too. And, really, let's go ahead and condemn all the gay folks to death because that's where we're headed on that slippery slope. Kill everyone who doesnt fit into your tiny worldview and let God sort them out.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @George

      You vote with your religion, not your conscience. You vote through a veil of preconceptions and hate toward those who disagree with you. You are close-minded, and tyrannical in your veiwpoints. This, more than anything, will lead to the complete collapse of any respect that your religion has held on to in the world at large.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • George

      @Other George

      I'm sure that there are other moralities, but I do know that all morality comes from God. Since we are a majority Christian nation, the morality should naturally be Christian.

      @Anatomically Bombed

      Sorry that you don't want to be held to any moral standards. But people like you will be sorry when you are burning in hell.

      @Answer

      We shall see. This is why we need to elect conservative Christians.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • George

      @HawaiiGuest

      You seem to be putting words into my mouth and betraying your prejudices.

      @Prawn

      Slippery slope? We just want to bring America back to God.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      I'm just going to tell myself George is trolling, because otherwise I'll have nightmares about people like him wandering around our society undetected. The worst kind of evil is the kind that talks about morality while screwing up the world based on his own twisted little creepy views.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • George

      America is specially ordained by God. We will come back to Him no matter what we have to do. Santorum 2012

      January 17, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Answer

      Bring it back .. to a non-existant? Keep going George .. love the laughs!

      January 17, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @George

      That's right George, don't actually attempt to correct my points if you feel they are wrong, just give a few cop outs and ignore what I am actually saying. If I'm putting words in your mouth than address what I said specifically. Then again I won't be surprised if you don't.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      So god almighty, our heavenly father, the creator of the universe, follows the republican primary?

      Wow, I wonder how many channels he gets?

      January 17, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts or goblins

      George is making up lies a usual...

      George, please explain how America is a special project of the christian sky fairy. The Babble is. steaming pile of crap and I usually ignore it completely. but I bet you can't find a single clear indication that the USA is special.

      The USA does not enjoy a special sky daddy arrangement if for no other reason than there are no gods, ghosts, goblins, angels, demons, pink unicorns, leprechauns, etc, etc, just delusional adults unable to give up childhood fantasies.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      I figure God would get the best reception ever, and all the channels that exist.

      And I mean ALL the channels, because there's no way God has a stick up his a.ss that's bigger than the one George is holding in his black hole of a sphincter.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • LinCA

      The first amendment to the constitution forms the bedrock of US society. It guarantees the one right that makes this country a free country. It provides the freedom to spout the insanities as displayed by Curious and George. Without it, the ideal that is the United States of America will cease to exist.

      Anyone who advocates for abolishing it, is therefor directly advocating for the destruction of the USA. By doing so, they make themselves an enemy of the US. Enemies of the US should be dealt with swiftly.

      Anybody caught advocating for abolishing the first amendment should be imprisoned for the rest of their lives, without the possibility of parole or pardon.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:36 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Thanks for your post. Now let's just hope that embedding a link to your blog in your username will do wonders for your pagerank.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Anatomically Bombed

      "Sorry that you don't want to be held to any moral standards. But people like you will be sorry when you are burning in hell."

      First, obviously I am more moral than you are unless wishing people you don't like to burn in agony and death is considered "moral" where you come from. It certainly isn't very nice.

      Second, no, I will not be sorry. I will only feel sorry for all the lives that have been cut short by the murdering zealots who try to kill or convert any who don't subscribe to their brand of morality. No thank you.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • LinCA

      @EnjaySea

      You said, "Now let's just hope that embedding a link to your blog in your username will do wonders for your pagerank."
      Since CNN uses a WordPress blog for this section, users at WordPress get to post using their credentials. The benefit, and really the sole reason for me using it, is that it deters handle spoofing.

      I don't do it for the page rank. The clicks that originate from this blog are few and far between (I'm guessing that the one from today was you).

      January 17, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gosh, I'm ever so impressed. A bunch of half-wits bray about their superiority whilst discussing their need for Viagra, Dulcolax, and brains.

      George's church must be in his nursing home.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • George

      @LinCA

      We have every right to talk about amending the Const.itution and to actually amend the Const.itution. That, my friend, is freedom.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Re: changing the USA const!tution, for what I believe is the very first time, George is correct. But this might just be a random occurrence.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • LinCA

      @George

      You said, "We have every right to talk about amending the Const.itution and to actually amend the Const.itution. That, my friend, is freedom."
      I never claimed that we can't amend the constitution. The right to talk about it is afforded by the first amendment.

      But talk has consequences. If you seriously talk about overthrowing the government, you can expect some legal ramifications.

      It is my opinion that anyone who seriously advocates for abolishing the first amendment is un-american and an enemy of the US. In my opinion, the punishment for this un-american behavior should be imprisonment, as stated above.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Curious

      Thank you, I enjoyed that tremendously.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • LinCA

      After having thought this over, I've changed my position on this issue. It still is my opinion that anyone who seriously advocates for abolishing the first amendment is un-american. But, in my revised opinion, the punishment for this un-american behavior should be public ridicule.

      Any politician who seriously advocates for this should be voted out of office. In that light, I would like to encourage all contenders for the Republican Presidential nomination to public state their position on this matter.

      January 19, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  11. Ungodly Discipline

    @Godistheway

    1. Godistheway: Heaven and Hell cannot be accessed from the physical world. They are of the spirit, not of the body. Any attempt to find them of the body will fail. There is no scientific explanation for a lot of things. Even evolution has some missing parts that science can't explain.

    My answer: So your answer is that it is magic. Proof that God does not exist. Your evolution throw in is like comparing apples and oranges and is a silly comparison in my opinion.

    2. Godistheway: God does not want you to burn. God wants you to accept his love and forgiveness, but you have to WANT it, to accept it fully in your heart before He will give it. God will not go where He is not wanted. He gave us free will to make our OWN choices about things, including Him.

    My answer: If God doesn’t want me to burn than why does he want me to burn? Love? Okey Doke then. So if he is not wanted, he will just cremate you’re a.s.s. Nice God you have there. He gave us free will? Not according to the Bible. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breath. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

    3. Godistheway: I think you'd need to ask a theologian on this one. The God I worship, which is the God of David, of the Jews... only had revealed Himself to the Jews prior to Jesus. It was Jesus who expanded that awareness to the non-Jews, and who offered His (God's) forgiveness and love to non-Jews. Prior to that, the law was the convenant of Abraham, and the Jews were expected to follow it to the letter to get in to Heaven.

    My Answer: What a cop out. You don’t have an opinion on the fate of every other person on Earth living or dead and whether or not they are or will burn in Hell? Why would I talk to a theologian?? I can think for myself. Wow!

    God dam Mongolians.

    Thank you.

    January 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @ungodly discipline

      1. There is no such thing as magic. There is no such thing as proof that God doesn't exist. Next?

      2. Again, God does not want you to burn. Period. God wants you to accept Him of your own free will. He will NOT force you, He will NOT come where he is not invited. The Spirit cannot fill an empty vessel, and that is what an athiest ultimately is. Yes, He did create humanity with free will, otherwise Adam and Eve would not have eaten from the tree when God had told them not to. Thus is Free Will.

      3. I don't have an answer. I don't know. I trust that God, knowing He had not revealed Himself to the masses prior to Christ, would not punish those who do not know. Other than that, I just don't know.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      I'm not sure – I saw an episiode of Supernatural where hell was accessible to the point where Sam and Dean Winchester could access it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Godistheway
      I am going to try to be polite here....

      You are......you are........dumber than a bag of hammers. I tried.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Ironicus

      1. There is plenty of proof that your god does not exist.
      2. How could a spirit fill a full vessel and not an empty one? You are insane.
      3. You speak for your "god" without authority, without proof of authority, and all your religious moaning is just your personal opinion based on your personal interpretation of your Bible.

      You have no proof and will dance all around this glaring hole in your head like a shaman dancing around a campfire that isn't there.
      But we can already see you are incurably insane by your posts. Nevermind.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      Actually I want to partly amend one of my statements. There is one way to Hell. Cross the border into Texas. God I hate it here.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Okay @GodIsTheWay, wait, wait, wait, wait! You actually believe that there really was an Adam, and there really was an Eve?

      Oh my! You're more entertaining than Reality TV and Professional Wrestling combined.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • TR6

      @GodIsTheWay:” There is no such thing as proof that God doesn't exist.”

      EXACTLY!!! Just like there is no proof that unicorns, vampires, big foot, UFOs, mushroom people or the 37 grand children of jesus christ by 5 different mothers don’t exist. So they are all just as real and factual as your god

      January 17, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • FacePalm

      "Okay @GodIsTheWay, wait, wait, wait, wait! You actually believe that there really was an Adam, and there really was an Eve?"

      This is still the official position of the Catholic Church, so apparently a lot of people supposedly believe this nonsense. The gullibility of the human race seemingly knows no bounds.

      January 18, 2012 at 2:09 am |
  12. Ungodly Discipline

    Well since Godistheway in a god dam mongolian and won't answer my question, I will put it to ANY Christian or whomever wishes to venture an answer. Should be easy:

    What is a soul and where does it go when you die?

    Thank you.

    January 17, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      Patience! I do have to work sometimes too, ya know lol

      January 17, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Ahhhhh....neva mind. god dam mongorian finery answer question. not so angreeeeeeeeee now.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Answer

      @Ungodly

      The soul .. I've questioned this myself and strung onto a logical assessment of the whole thing.
      I'll make a few points on it – as I've come to employing reason to distill the religious fervor on this topic.

      First thing – isn't a soul just another body? Accordingly this has to be the truth. Those who believe that they will go to heaven want a body. So it is a body. A body now has to have functions! Functions? Yes.
      To be able to eat, to run, to beg, to pray (yes to pray). The religious need this fact to be in heaven. I have yet to see a post where a religious person doctors or proposes that it is just a form of an energy mass. A mass of energy without specific form that is – no arms or legs or appendages or anything! Especially in regards to a phallus.. no religious person denies the fact that this soul should NOT have a phallus. Onto the heaven – they will utilize this phallus for entertainment – wherein on earth they are banned by their religion. Silly? I know!

      So onto the "form" of the soul and it's function...

      What form? A version like our bipedal evolved human form – spiritually! This is a fact – they all agree on! Do I hear any disagreements? NO.

      Continuing on.. the form has to have appendages. To kneel. To work. To play. An activity in heaven.
      Now let's go to the living conditions of heaven. Where do they live? Are there communities? Are there laws? Are there maintenance angels? Who supports the environment of heaven?

      All those questions are under the grand conclusion retort of the religious.. it is run by god's will. AKA MAGIC.
      This god is a living battery for their pleasure. Hence in heaven – man once again seeks – control.
      You're kidding? NO. Logic tells me that this is truth.

      Nowhere in heaven can you be free if you're under god's design. So a design of houses? Shopping malls? All are not needed. You don't need to eat. You don't need to ingest or consume. You don't have an excrement issue. And no one works. It's prayers. All eternity of prayers – this is the final conclusion.

      I think I'm right in my suppositions of their heaven.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Thanks Answer. God dam Mongorians! Making me mo angreeeee!

      January 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Answer

      Oh by the way... when you're in heaven – don't forget that you can never die.

      A requirement is that you have DIED on earth to gain entry to heaven. So make sure you realize that you can not die a second time – no matter what.

      If you did die a second time do you come back to earth? This folks is a wild theory.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @U.G. & Answer...the Christian answer to this, I think, has to be that we simply don't know. The Bible provides some limited information, but not enough to provide a definitive answer. (As an aside, I don't see this as a problem to any particular Christian belief–it really has nothing to do with what we believe or why we believe it.) Any one of us, whether seriously, or in an attempt to mock (right at ya Answer) can surmise (although if you don't believe, I don't see the point in doing so), but in the end its all guess work.

      As for the questions...where does the soul go. That's up to us. We can either accept God's sovereignty, and receive our inheritance in heaven, or we can reject Him and be separated from him (as we are free to choose).

      January 17, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • just helping out

      The soul is the inner eternal being that is you. It resides within your body like a seed in a pod. It is expressed beyond the physical outer shell of your body and beyond your mind. The soul is the real part of you obscured in this life by your body and your mind. When set free your soul returns to the creator God for judgement.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • Answer

      @VanHagar
      @just helping out

      Both equally laughable. Your kind are hilarious.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @just helping out: Sounds like a bunch of gobbledy-gook speak that doesn't really mean anything. I guess it means something to you, but if the best you can do is "it's just...out there man" then why bother, because you're not really "helping."

      January 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      vanhagar, your takes are as worthless as t.i.t.s on a bull. The Bible should be brilliant if it is divine. It is anything but. What is wrong with you people??? ooooooHHHHH I getting very angreeeeeeeeeee god dam MONGOLIANS!!!

      January 17, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Add yours to the list of laughable: I believe that upon death will enter a state of nothing because this brings great comfort and removes the fear that the greatest figure of all history, Jesus Christ, may just have known somehting I don't. I have no proof to base this on just a faith in the afterlife where I no longer exist even though others on earth will have proof of my past existence. As time goes on the earth will no longer exist either and any record of my existence will also no longer exist. Therefor I never existed in the first place.
      Yep, that's my story and Iam sticking to it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • VanHagar

      U.G.–thanks for the opinion. I don't know, I think a bull might like a nice pair of t.i.t.s. Might come in handy if no cows around.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • Answer

      @fred

      I know you are a joke of a person. You don't have to prove that to me. 🙂

      January 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • fred

      SeanNJ
      So, make some sense of this are you going into the nothingness of Answer or do you have less faith than he does?

      January 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Not sure if there is any value in talking to you since according you your belief system you do not exist at some point

      January 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @Answer...he who laughs last is an atheist. He who keeps on laughing is in Heaven.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • Answer

      @VanHagar

      Ya I know that phrase too. Too bad you don't know whether to just condemn me or not right? 🙂

      January 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      I dont know how to use a condemn otherwise I would

      January 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Answer:

      I tend to look at the soul exactly as you've explained it... as a mass of energy without form. The soul does not need to eat, or run, or walk. You can take whatever reflection of a form that you wish to take. You can assume any form you wish. I'd recommend human because that's what we're all comfortable with anyway.

      What you're talking about are physical, earthly needs. Here's the way I personally view Heaven. Have you ever seen the movie What Dreams May Come? Heaven is what you make it. In the movie, Robin Williams made it a painting of the house he and his wife were going to retire to. I view heaven much the same... it is what your soul, what your life, makes of it.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @Answer...actually (in all seriousness) I do know that answer to your last question...it is not up to me to condemn you (or judge). Although you are instantly skeptical, God would prefer that you accept him. I do wish you the best in your life (why wouldn't I, as if I held a grudge over a generally friendly, anonymous internet exchange!) How can I claim to be a Christian and not show you Love? How can I not show love if I don't share is (what I contend, at least) the truth. You are free to reject it (or not) as you deem fit. As for condemnation generally–we can only condemn ourselves. God has told us what we must do and what the consequences are if we don't do it. It is our choice.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Answer

      @GodIsTheWay

      Wow. First person to see and post of an opinion of just an energy mass. Nice.

      Buddhism is in a nutshell what you have just stated. So Buddhists are correct.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Answer

      @vanhagar

      You can spout your bullocks as it is amongst the bullocks that others of your kind have spouted. Til you offer up the empirical evidence then all you have is conjecture and well wishing. I don't however wish your kind any pleasantries. Your kind needs to just die off. Thanks.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @Answer...thank you for considered reply.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      Thank you for showing the contrast between a Christian and an atheist

      January 17, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • Answer

      Sure thing.

      I'm all about the truth, unlike your kind.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      The truth is not about life that ends in nothingness. Truth is one of the extremes of your post to VanHager never in the middle and never moving from side to side. Truth is as dark as your reply or as kind as VanHager. Truth is in the light or darkness we surround ourselves with. Pilate looked at Jesus and said "what is truth" after seeing an innocent man in stark contrast to the Jewish mob that called out kill him kill him. Truth was what Pilate posted on the cross "King of the Jews"

      January 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Answer

      @fred

      Your truths – remember that. Your little book of horrors is all yours. I'm here just to rile your little minds and aggravate your bullocks/nonsense. 🙂

      January 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • fred

      Now that you got me all riled up are we speaking bullocks or bollocks?

      January 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @Answer–truth has no ownership.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  13. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Prayer is the cornerstone of a relationship with God

    January 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Answer

      Wrong again. Keep trying.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Yeah AINHFCAOLT, I like how you got "cornerstone" in there. Get on with it now!

      Prayer helps me pray!

      January 17, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Why are they wrong?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Answer

      Why are they right?

      The burden is in proving it – correct?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      There is no burden in prayer
      Prayer relieves burdens and sets captives free
      Prayer is the propulsion of a free people
      Prayer really changes things

      January 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Bob

      Prayer seems to be an atheist magnet!

      January 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Answer

      For the two statements.. one has to show that it does change things.

      Given – it only changes the person's mental state. A self delusion – a sugar pill.
      Your relationship with god? Firstly there has to be a god. Doing the old self delusion/bit routine to render yourself to one's own false psychosis is not going to help you.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Answer

      @Bob

      So true 🙂
      It's like why are these people so rightly and aptly for the spreading of – a disease?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes lives
      Prayer touches the heart of God
      Prayer enlightens the words of God
      Prayer gives occasion to the directions of God
      Prayer is an expression of the love of God
      Prayer really changes things

      January 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Bob

      So, why do atheists fear prayer so much?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Answer- "The burden is in proving it – correct?"

      Not when you make a factual statement calling them wrong. Or did you accept it when a teacher said you answer was wrong but would not tell you why?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      I don't fear prayer! Prayer is my favorite poster. Prayer is even early today. Usually comes on around 7:45 Eastern.

      Pray pray pray!!!!!

      Praying helps me pray!

      January 17, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Bob

      Conclusion:Prayer attracts everyone- the believer and the non believer!
      so, keep those prayer messages coming..

      January 17, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • Answer

      @Bob

      You see it's very easily your own folly to express that line of thought. You realize what you are trying to do right?
      To posit a point and brand the opposition. A common tools to turn anything you're afraid of to fall at the feet of the other person. You're making an escape out of your own fears. Projecting them onto others. I highly wouldn't recommend your kind of emotional grovelling to end a conversation.

      The emotionally weak people who use this common banal retort are all too common. Religion is at heart an enormous attack on the emotional state of a person. Too easy for most sheep to get swung into religion because of that. I'm here as an inoculant.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • TR6

      @Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things
      I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Snow

      Lets do a logic excersise..

      You say: Every Circle has 10 corners
      I say: No. you are wrong..

      Now who should prove what?
      – Being the first one to make an absolute statement, should you prove that circle actually has 10 corners or
      – Seeing the error in the statement, should I prove that you are wrong?

      If we go by the second method, should we also prove that the circle does not have 0 or 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or ... corners as well? How many distinctive statements should we disprove before the matter is considered settled.. or should the burden be on the original stater to prove that one statement as correct?

      Uncouth.. care to comment?

      Uncouth, mind answering?

      January 17, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Snow- if one is making a factual statment...they should be preapred to offer up evidence to back them up.

      I doubt you would agree if:
      One person said, There is no God.
      And another person says, you are wrong.

      Would you say that the person that said, "you are wrong", in this case has to back up there statement?

      January 17, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • Answer

      What are the facts that god is real?

      No facts available. It is an opinion.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Answer- "No facts available. It is an opinion."

      That could be applied to saying there is no God.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • Snow

      @uncouth.. Indeed.. the first person to make the claim or factual statement must prove his correctness.. so, the burden is on the missionary dude who kept me standing outside my door today morning to prove that there is god.. unfortunately, he couldn't.

      on the side note, the factual statement from one that says "There is no god" can only occur if the concept of god has been pre-defined and pre-specified. i.e., it is the people who defined "god", and said "there is a god" that should prove that there is one.. don't you agree?

      otherwise, a statement "There is no god" is the same as saying "There is no zrbtt".. a word with no meaning and hence inherently proven (by itself)!

      January 17, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "can only occur if the concept of god has been pre-defined and pre-specified. i.e., it is the people who defined "god", and said "there is a god" that should prove that there is one.. don't you agree?"

      Somewhat but if I say the word "shrew"...what comes in your mind? Is it what I think the word means or what you think it means?
      Where did you concept of God come from? From the person talking to you about God or from another person? Maybe the culture in general? Is this man who is talking about God to you at fault if you already have a preconceived idea about what God is to you?
      Now if that guy says that God is ____, _____ and _______. He should try and offer up something. However, if one is speaking in terms of theology or spirituality it would be quite rude to switch it over to physics and biology.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • Answer

      @Uncouth

      Utter stupidity on your part, but you're like that. Not unexpected.

      The following: "There is no god." – To ask a person to prove that statement. Impossible – proving a negative is utterly futile.

      The following: "There is a god." – The burden of proof is thus inherent to the person stating this remark.

      Where you fail in logic is merely a choice to not go out into the world and give it a try. It isn't logic's fault that you fail to understand the one sided-ness of your stupidity to pursue a losing argument. Keep on trying to be your god thought... keep on trying to sway that the burden of proof falls on the person who states the negative. Keep trying.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Ironicus

      Yet we are biological creatures that exist in a universe ruled by physical laws.
      Your assertions of a deity must have a physical beginning or you would not have any idea of a god in the first place, as this is a mental concept that uses your biological brain to operate.
      Unless it's all bullshlt, and it is. We have proven that all the major gods do not exist. That includes yours. You can try and distance yourself from your religion, but in the end you cannot escape the ramifications of your assertion that your god exists.

      Will you then retreat into Spinoza's god that has no characteristics beyond the physical randomness of nature?
      There is no where you can go with believing in a "god" that cannot be put to the test and ruled out in the end.
      Your god doesn't exist. I have proven it before and I will again. You define your "god" and I'll knock it down.
      Your illusions are powerless against real scrutiny. But you knew that or you wouldn't be trying to divert the argument away from testing in the first place.
      You are going to clever your way right into atheism at some point. You already show us that you know you have nothing to back up your words.
      All the rest is just details. If you cannot be honest, then of what use are you to honest people? Go kill yourself already.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Answer- "Utter stupidity on your part, but you're like that. Not unexpected."

      ~No..utter stupidity is giving "wrong again" as a counter. As you did at the very beginning of all this.

      "The following: "There is no god." – To ask a person to prove that statement. Impossible – proving a negative is utterly futile."

      ~Agreed...thank goodness I never asked anyone to actually do that. You did notice that right? I usually ask for a person to prove that a human being created the concept of God (as in the God of Abraham). So far, no one has been able to provide any evidence. No more than anyone proving God to exist.

      "The following: "There is a god." – The burden of proof is thus inherent to the person stating this remark."

      ~Sort of agree, in that it depends on the context of the statement. To say there is a God could def have some ask rightly so for evidence. If a person however, answers that there is a God when asked about their belief, then they might not be required to offer any evidence.

      "Where you fail in logic is merely a choice to not go out into the world and give it a try. It isn't logic's fault that you fail to understand the one sided-ness of your stupidity to pursue a losing argument."

      ~Epic fail on your part. You @ssume to know my background and are completely wrong. You think you know what I believe. Don't let your ego get in the way of what you actually know and what your emotions want your to believe. Also, be careful when you think you are winning an argument when it's clear you do not know what is being argued.

      "keep on trying to sway that the burden of proof falls on the person who states the negative. Keep trying."

      ~I have yet to ask anyone to prove a negative. I have asked a person to explain why they think a certain way. Plz try and read a bit more before rambling out with hate.

      January 17, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • Ironicus

      "If a person however, answers that there is a God when asked about their belief, then they might not be required to offer any evidence."

      I laughed at this. You don't want anyone pointing out that religious people will assert that there is a god at the drop of a hat and this does indeed make them the ones declaring a positive without proof.
      And if they come here they might very well be required to back up their claims.
      But they can't. Because there is no god as described by these people. You claim there is a god that you entertain very foggy notions about that revolve around your personal interpretations, your emotionalized perceptions, and your delusional beliefs about your "god."
      But go ahead and keep playing coy. We all know you're full of crap anyway.

      January 18, 2012 at 4:28 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Ironicus- "You don't want anyone pointing out that religious people will assert that there is a god at the drop of a hat and this does indeed make them the ones declaring a positive without proof."

      ~Oy..if a person is declaring their is a God in a comment board room like this where no one else has prompted them to do so...then I cannot see any problem with asking them why they feel that way. But that also applies to a person comming out of the blue and saying their is no God. They should express why as well.

      "And if they come here they might very well be required to back up their claims."

      ~Required is such a strong word. Obviosuly no one is required to support any of their beliefs or non-beliefs on here. It's just polite to if you decide to blurt it out.

      "But they can't. Because there is no god as described by these people."

      ~Let's clarify this to they cannot prove it to you.

      "You claim there is a god that you entertain very foggy notions about that revolve around your personal interpretations, your emotionalized perceptions, and your delusional beliefs about your "god.""

      ~I have no delusions on this subject..but you do since you are making a false opinion upon me. Look up the definition of a word before trying to use it eh? I know wikipedia being shut down will hinder your ability to think...but try flying without your wiki-net today 😉

      January 18, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • TR6

      Prayer is like wiping you a$$ clean on your hand. You may feel like you’ve accomplished something useful but you still stink

      January 18, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @TR6- thank you for that an_alogy that no doubt came from your own life expereinces.

      January 18, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
  14. Answer

    @GodIsTheWay

    ==quote
    @Answer: Actually, the problem in society has been carefully laid out, but I'm not going to mention where because it will just shut your brain down more to anything I say.
    ==end

    Do tell. Carefully? From your perspective.. what is the problem?

    The problem is in education itself – my opinion. Your religion is the impedance. As history is a slate to record facts – religions like to twist them to suit their cause. You can name any historical figure you like to bring into a conversation and ultimately the factor that will impede a figure is religion and the old fallback position of "relying on god as the source".

    For certain there have been contributions by religious figures. That is undeniable! For truth too – gay people have contributed vastly! Even the Jewish! As yet your kind makes no effort to say that people are just people because they love the thrist for knowledge. All you can pull to your little corner of the chat is this "it is because of religion that we have this world".

    The answer is no. People who knew that knowledge was important gave us the world we live in. Religion wants to claim any credit by anyone to boost it's flagging self esteem. You're doing your little bit of advertising – that is all. Your kind can never figure out where religion did end – and the moment that useful knowledge was laid out was just a desire for a normal person to understand our world.

    January 17, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Answer: Read my response to SeanNJ. The problem has never been religion. When I first turned from Athiesm to Catholicism, the first thing the Church explained to me was that they embrace science and work WITH it. There's the fellowship of Christian Scientists. There's Christian Science monitor. There's absolute proof that traditional Christianity has NO issue with science or education. Back in the old days, when the Church was trying to maintain it's authority over people, yes, they did some bad things. The Church was never meant to have authority over people, except in spiritual matters. Not legal, just spiritual. This is one reason I turned from Catholicism to a more Byzantine way of belief, the Orthodox Church.

      When it comes to education, I, like many Christians, have one. I'm currently studying a bachelor's program for information assurance and security, since I'm obsessed with computers. I'm also an obsessive gamer. I'm a football fan, a baseball fan, and generally am like everyone else walking down the road. I might invent something in the future, who knows? Just because I believe in God, does not make me any better or worse than anyone else.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Answer

      Right.. you're educated in your religion. That sums up everything.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      If I may....

      No, it does not make you any better or worse than anyone else. But if you come HERE you are, for the most part, a Salmon. And Salmon is delicious.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • FacePalm

      @GITW,

      The current teaching of the RCC is completely at odds with the theory of evolution – a theory is has begrudgingly admitted has some merit. The church is fine with science so long as that science doesn't contradi.ct its current teachings. Where the two are in conflict one usually has to give the RCC a few centuries to modify its teachings so that it doesn't look absurd.

      January 18, 2012 at 2:17 am |
  15. Colin

    I love the fact that the whole myth of the virgin birth of Jesus was based on a misinterpretation of the Hebrew word "Almah" (which meerly means a "young woman") into Greek "Parthenos" when the Sepuagent was compiled. Poor simple Christians, when your early adherents tried to re-write Christ's life to comport with Isaiah, they screwed it up. You have been slavishly following a fiction ever since.

    January 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Colin..that is a theory. There is no evidence any such mistake was made.

      "There is no instance where it can be proved that 'almâ designates a young woman who is not a virgin. The fact of virginity is obvious in Gen 24:43 where 'almâ is used of one who was being sought as a bride for Isaac." (R. Laird Harris, et al. Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, p. 672.)"

      January 17, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Colin

      Uncooth Swain – Didn't u just contradict yourself. First you say Älma" does not mean virgin, then cite Genises as evidence that it does mean virgin, no?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Well what we do know is that Mary was knockin' boots with someone. Hence, a little messiah.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Colin- sorry if I got in a hurry there.

      I meant that it is just a theory that the terminolgy was mistranslated to the Greek.

      The citation I gave comes from Strongs and basically it says that the term for Alma has always stood for a young woman that is a virgin. The Genesis reference goes with that. Unless someone can show where Alma was specifically used for a young non-virgin woman but from what I saw it is meant to imly the alma means a young woman who is a virgin.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • TR6

      @Uncouth Swain: "There is no instance where it can be proved that 'almâ designates a young woman who is not a virgin. “

      Well you make a case that the term “alma” does not exclude the possibility of the woman being a virgin; but, you haven’t done anything to support the idea that it mandates mary being a virgin. The same way that hot dog might refer to a Hebrew National all Beef Knockwurst; but, doesn’t guarantee it and given the context probable refers to something like Wal-Mart’s house brand

      January 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @TR6- "you haven’t done anything to support the idea that it mandates mary being a virgin."

      And if you will note..I wasn't trying to.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • FacePalm

      The possible mistranslation is a single piece of evidence. While not a smoking gun, when combined with the fact that only two of the four gospels even reference a virgin birth (seems like, if true, this would kinda be an important thing to mention, ,you know) its not all that unreasonable to assume the tale can "be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, [born of] the brain of Jupiter."

      January 18, 2012 at 2:25 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @FacePalm- be careful not to confuse out modern way of thinking on such things as biographies/history is the same in all time periods. The ancients didn't share our views on expressing every single detail about a person. What migth have been important to the author of Mark might not have been as important to the author of Luke.

      January 18, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Do you see how clever that was? What point is there in arguing something that I can't possibly defend, when I can respond to all replies with more unsubstantiated quips about prayer.

    Do you see how I get the atheists so riled up? This just shows how pure I am, while exposing how hot-headed those atheists are. I'm even better than I thought I was!

    January 17, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Eggs change things.
      Eggs have cholestoral
      Men who eat eggs are happy
      Then the have a heart attack and die
      Men eat eggs and go to heaven
      Eggs really do change things.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Snow

      Hahahahaha.. good joke!

      January 17, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • zombie boy

      I like turtles.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Turtles, or turtle eggs?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      So if eggs change things, an omelette must be some kind of WMD.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • just sayin

      It must be a sad lonely person that feels the need to steal a name on an anonymous blog

      January 17, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      How dare you!! Omlettes are an obination against all mighty GOD!!!!

      January 17, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      just sayin
      Who stole whose name? I have got to know! Such intrigue!!

      January 17, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • just saying

      Actually, I take that back. I've decided that it's very honorable to take someone elses name on this blog. I salute you!

      January 17, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • just sayin

      actually taking another name violates the agreement you made with CNN and shows you to be a person of no character or courage as well as those other qualities previously listed. At this rate you are probably a person no one would really want to know or trust.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Wow, just sayin', that is taking the whole thing a little too hard.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Hmm, that does bring up an interesting thought experiment though. Can one impersonate someone who is, themselves, not using their real name in the first place?

      Now I'm puzzled.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Fookin' Prawn

      Good point – so is impersonating an anonymous person like dividing by zero?

      January 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Ironicus

      Impersonating another anonymous person damages the dialogues between anonymous posters and is rude for that reason.
      Yet we have no way of certifying that one person is behind any particular screen-name, thus the abuse of screen-names continues despite numerous protests to CNN.
      If a dialogue is worthless, damaging it is not as rude as damaging other dialogues that have some sort of need for continuity between posters that can be relied upon to some extent between all parties.
      So hijacking someone's screen-name is usually rude and tasteless as we have seen. The only reason it exists is due to the laziness and lack of ethics in those CNN employees who oversee this blog. Not going to name names but at some point there is a person or persons directly responsible for this lack in functionality that directly leads to abuse of privileges.
      Other blogs here are moderated to death. This blog is not only unmoderated, it enables abuse like no other.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Who is Just Sayin talking to? I don't get it.

      January 17, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Ironicus

      just sayin' is herbie / 'atheism is not healthy etc' / fred / george / captain america / etc.
      he is insane.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
  17. Reality

    Putting the final kibosh on all religions:

    • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    A quick Google, Bing or Yahoo search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    January 17, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Kind of full of yourself aren't you Reality? Especially with all those "probablys" in there.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      I think Reality is like those Indian tech support people you get. All they can do is read a script and if something happens outside of that script, they can't do anything.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • .........

      put the final kibosh on reality hit report abuse on all reality bull sh it

      January 17, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Reality

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

      From amazon.com

      "Etz Hayim: Torah and Commentary (Hardcover) $58.00

      ~ David L. Lieber (Editor), Jules Harlow (Editor), United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (Corporate Author), The Rabbinical Assembly (Corporate Author)
      4.7 out of 5 stars (15 customer reviews)

      "The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (USCJ) is the primary organization of synagogues practicing Conservative Judaism in North America. It closely works with the Rabbinical Assembly, the international body of Conservative rabbis, the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, and the Ziegler School of Rabbinic Studies.[1]"

      January 17, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • Fred

      "Final kibosh" ?
      More like EPIC FAIL with your name on it.
      Change your handle from Reality to "Loser Boy" and you will be more on target.

      January 17, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • Ironicus

      Reality saves time by pasting the same old backwash. He is seriously uptight about s.exual issues if you really want to troll him.

      January 17, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the "newbies":

      They are called the Infamous Angelic Cons:

      Joe Smith had his Moroni.

      "Latter-day Saints also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day dem-on of the de-mented.

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      January 17, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      (references used for the update are available upon request)

      January 17, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Ironicus

      Ah, is that a new one? I should have mentioned that you do squeeze out a new one every so often. Oh, well.

      January 18, 2012 at 4:33 am |
  18. Snow

    So, it does not matter if a dude gets an F in Economics.. These people are willing to put the reins of this country's future in his hands as long as he says "God will show me the way"?

    Great plan! .. and we wonder why more than half the skilled professionals here are from other countries.. and we wonder why our school/college education system ranks behind many countries!

    January 17, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Prayer changes things.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Snow

      I tried that prayer thing in the college a decade ago.. didn't change my B+ to an A.. didn't smite the unfair grader down.. didn't get me the Assistantship I wanted.. didn't get me the girl I wanted..

      In all the aspects it was studied amongst a group of 10 or so people, it was pretty much as useful as chanting "fizzy bublee" a hundred times every other hour.. i.e., counterproductive and a time that could have been used to do actual work!

      January 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
  19. Ungodly Discipline

    @GodIsTheWay
    God is the way to where? Please and thank you in advance.

    January 17, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Hey God Way, why you no answer me? Ohhhh first sooo polite likey everyong, p.i.s.s of bitta athiest. Now I ask a one a question I no anwser you. Why you mean to me huh? What I do to you? You making me soooo angeeeeeeeee god dam mongolians!!

      January 17, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Ungodly discipline: My apologies, I was reading the other thread and responding to it. My name "GodIstheWay" is very simple. God is the way to love, to happiness, to eternal life of the soul. Jesus preached two things in particular: Love each other, and love God. That's the absolute synposis of the entire New Testament.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      What is a "soul" and where does it go? Thanks.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      That last question was for you godstheway. Thanks again.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      God dam it godsway I ask nuther question for you you know answer back agin why you have prollem with answerm y question I nice not even bitter athiest and you ingow me why you so mean me god dam mongolian!

      January 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @ungodly: lol I think you're doing those other posts just to make me laugh. Anyway, the soul has two destinations depending on it's life path. It can either go to Heaven, as told in the Bible, or it can go to Hell. Everyone is born into the original sin of Adam and Eve, which is why we're so easily tempted into sin. We must repent those sins, be saved, and accept Christ as our savior. If we sincerely repent in our hearts and od not commit the same sin again, Christ will forgive us and we will be allowed into the kingdom.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • bigot

      "Jesus preached two things in particular: Love each other, and love God. That's the absolute synposis of the entire New Testament."

      Yet the people who wrote about what jesus did or said never knew, saw, or talked to him. Everything jesus "says" in that book is hearsay.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      @GodIsTheWay

      Thank you. Now if you would kindly explain, where is heaven and where is hell? There must be a scientific explanation for how and where to find these destination if they exist.

      Follow up questions:
      1. Why does an all-loving God want us to burn just because we are in your club?

      2. Do you believe that everone else on the face of the Earth and for all of time including the last 200,000 years when there was no Bible and no Jesue, is or will burn in Hell if the do not believe as you do?

      3. How does one define sin? I am not a sinner in my opinion, therefore I have nothing to repent, so even if I don't believe in Jesus/God, why should I burn in Hell? I would be happy just rotting away somewhere. No burning. Burning bad.

      Thank you.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @bigot: Actually, many of the books in the new testament are taken from letters from Paul to the Romans, or to the church of Asia (which is really asia minor, aka the middle east), things of that nature. Also, this "hearsay" you speak of was written down by many who heard Jesus in the flesh. It wasn't PUBLISHED until later, which is a huge difference, but also irrelevant, since the majority of Europe couldn't read anyway.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Sorry for typo-s. Hard fo me type when sooo angreeeeee wait on god dam mongrian to ansa quesions. I patient I patient
      meant "not" in your club, other typo-s obvious. Waiting for smart God guy answer now!!

      January 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Ungodly discipline: Heaven and Hell cannot be accessed from the physical world. They are of the spirit, not of the body. Any attempt to find them of the body will fail. There is no scientific explanation for a lot of things. Even evolution has some missing parts that science can't explain.

      1. God does not want you to burn. God wants you to accept his love and forgiveness, but you have to WANT it, to accept it fully in your heart before He will give it. God will not go where He is not wanted. He gave us free will to make our OWN choices about things, including Him.

      2. I think you'd need to ask a theologian on this one. The God I worship, which is the God of David, of the Jews... only had revealed Himself to the Jews prior to Jesus. It was Jesus who expanded that awareness to the non-Jews, and who offered His (God's) forgiveness and love to non-Jews. Prior to that, the law was the convenant of Abraham, and the Jews were expected to follow it to the letter to get in to Heaven.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @GodIsTheWay

      Anti-Semite is WRONG again! Jesus preached only to jews and not gentiles, it's Paul that opened up jesus message and tweaked it to include the goyim.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "Jesus preached only to jews and not gentiles"

      I believe he did talk with Samaritians and teach them. They were not Jewish.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Uncouth

      You are right that he spoke to some sumarians and other gentiles, but his message was limited and supposed to be followed by only jews. He wasn't exactly going for the big conversions or anything, he was looking to reform judaism from the inside.

      January 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      @Godistheway

      Heaven and Hell cannot be accessed from the physical world. They are of the spirit, not of the body. Any attempt to find them of the body will fail. There is no scientific explanation for a lot of things. Even evolution has some missing parts that science can't explain.

      My answer: So your answer is that it is magic. Proof that God does not exist. Your evolution throw in is like comparing apples and oranges and is a silly comparison in my opinion.

      1. God does not want you to burn. God wants you to accept his love and forgiveness, but you have to WANT it, to accept it fully in your heart before He will give it. God will not go where He is not wanted. He gave us free will to make our OWN choices about things, including Him.

      My answer: If God doesn’t want me to burn than why does he want me to burn? Love? Okey Doke then. So if he is not wanted, he will just creamate you’re a.s.s. Nice God you have there. He gave us free will? Not according to the Bible. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breath. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      2. I think you'd need to ask a theologian on this one. The God I worship, which is the God of David, of the Jews... only had revealed Himself to the Jews prior to Jesus. It was Jesus who expanded that awareness to the non-Jews, and who offered His (God's) forgiveness and love to non-Jews. Prior to that, the law was the convenant of Abraham, and the Jews were expected to follow it to the letter to get in to Heaven.

      My Answer: What a cop out. You don’t have an opinion on the fate of every other person on Earth living or dead and whether or not they are or will burn in Hell? Why would I talk to a theologian?? I can think for myself. Wow!

      January 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  20. Ungodly Discipline

    I feel the most exciting thing about atheism (weak atheism in my case, or Temporal Agnosticism) is that no possibilities are ruled out. One can revel in the cosmos and the joy of learning without the burden of guilt. Just as Einstein, Hawking and many other thinkers of our time and space, the universe still holds many secrets, and those secrets are far more enjoyable when you don't have a pre-disposition to a belief in any God; whatever shape that may take.

    How can we think freely and explore scientifically the theories of the multi-verse, string theory, intelligent life on other planets, space travel and what preceded the Big Bang when we are anchored to the Earth by a ball and chain called religion? It is enough to look up at the Milky Way and say, “here is my church”.

    I am not commanded to worship. I am COMPELLED to be astounded by its magnificence. And no matter what you believe or say, none of us has the slightest idea what will happen when we die. So live and learn, then die knowing you have embraced life. Be nice and fear not.

    January 17, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      You can do both. There's no reason why not. I'm very, very Christian. I also love the idea of exploring the universe. I'd love to meet any other civilizations, perhaps even giving humanity a technological boost in the process (if you don't catch my meaning, see Star Trek.. which is entirely possible in the future.) Science and Religion do NOT have to go head to head. Often times, they can and do work together.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Answer

      The worse thing in life is to fear about uncertainty.

      Once you bypass the route – that is fear – you begin to accept your utter insignificance on the universal level and then you can really begin to bask in the full weight of knowledge that is yet to be uncovered! That is the most enviable moment in anybody's life – in my opinion!

      When you're looking at yourself – seeing yourself akin to as a spec of dirt – and that the whole universe is "out there" -waiting! You WANT to LEARN! You WANT to EARN your place and contribute to it. That is the marvelous feeling of freedom anybody can ATTAIN. At the core of this revelation is the fact that IT IS FREE! Just hugely liberating to know this fact!

      January 17, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Fine. Now do something about it

      Well, GodWay, religion absolutely has been impeding science for centuries now, and it continues to do so in the fields of stem-cell research, evolution, cosmology, and many others. If you think they can co-exist, then start telling your religious buddies to BACK THE FLUCK OFF and let science be free of religious hinderance and oppression!

      January 17, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      The thing people don't understand, is there's nowhere in the Bible where it says God did not make multiple plants, and multiple peoples. Not one place does that appear. The "christians" you refer to who refuse to learn sciences are likely southern baptists, and the rest of us don't claim those fire-eaters and panic mongers anyway. A priest should not wear a suit, he should wear proper vestments. Those vestments are found in the Orthodox and the Roman Church.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Answer

      @GodIsTheWay

      God is nothing. Your kind is only interested in embedding itself into every corner of life. Religion does not fit into life at all – it's presently trying to disguise itself as an alternative route in science – aka "Intelligent Design". It's bullocks!

      This world does not need religion any longer. It should plainly die off – for the sake of humanity!

      January 17, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @fine.. how exactly can religion impede science, other than not at all? Scientists all over the world are making discoveries that, 10 years ago, nobody thought possible. Stem cells are being used to basically rebuild hearts. I remember reading a story of a patient cured of AIDS by stem cell injections. Man has gone to the moon. We have a space station that scientists live on. We're exploring the depths of the oceans as well as the stratum of the earth itself. How is religion impeding that?

      January 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Answer: You will speak politely and respectfully. I am. I am not attacking you and what you think, you will NOT attack me and my beliefs. Either stow it or add to the conversation at hand in a positive manner. Those are your options.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Answer

      @GodIsTheWay

      Keep begging you fool. Being polite to your kind is a waste of time.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Disgusted with religious people

      The "Roman" church has such a kind and gentle history of dealing with scientists and people who don't agree with it: inquisitions, torture and executions, repression, war . . . yes, that must be the tru path of Jesus

      January 17, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Answer: I don't beg. You didn't notice a "please" in there, I'm assuming. Since you refuse to speak politely, I'll just report you for abusive behavior. If you wish to make Athiests look rude and impolite, that's entirely your choice. I feel no need to do that on my end.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      So you will take the bad behavior of some ppl and apply it to a huge population to smear their POV. Not very enlightened at all.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Disgusted with religious people

      Swain, the average Catholic lets the church get away with the abuse scandal, just as the average Christian lets their church pervert itself into a political power. They could not do it if the average believer had the integrity to stand up to it. But they don't . . they are conformists who do what they are told. Their hands are not clean.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      GodIsTheWay
      Please don't report me!!! Please????

      I can handle things! I'm smart...not like dumb like everyboday says, I'm smart and I want respect!!

      January 17, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Uncouth Swain: Are you willing to give the same respect and politeness I'm giving in this discussion, or do you think and act like answer?

      January 17, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Disgusted with religious people- perhaps....but keep in mind that not all Christians belong to any formal churches. Kind of wrong to throw them in with those that allow corruption.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Answer

      @GodIsTheWay

      Thin skinned drivel peddlers like yourself can't stomach the harsh reality of your own truth. Your kind are a relic.
      The quicker religious fools like yourself barricading yourself in your prayers and leaving the social order of human alone the better.

      If your kind can not take the simple labels of "fool" and or "idiots".. I wonder how you will fare in the real world.
      Oh ya .. your kind doesn't live for this world. Your kind want the next world..

      Well go there today 🙂

      January 17, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @GodIsTheWay- my responses haven't been directed toward you

      January 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Disgusted: My wife and I left the Catholic Church because of the abuses that were happening. We have since joined the Antiochian Orthodox and are much happier with our choice. So no, the average Catholic will NOT allow it. We are quite disgusted by it.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Answer "If your kind can not take the simple labels of "fool" and or "idiots".. "

      No doubt it does not bother you because of the vast experience you have being called those terms.

      January 17, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @answer: wrong again. I work in customer service. Some little crap job that nobody wants. I get called names all day every day and it doesn't get to me. I just like to have respectful conversations with people.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Fine. Now do something about it

      Religion is trying very hard to undermine the education in numerous areas of science, such as evolution and cosmology. It goes as far as trying to claim those heavily-evidenced areas are wrong.

      Religion has oppressed Galileo, Copernicus, and a great many other scientists throughout history.

      Stem cell research was banned in America due to religious freaks.

      Are you totally unaware of what has been done in God's name?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Fine. Now do something about it- Keep in mind that religious organizations kept knowledge alive and passed it on tp other generations. The Muslims of what we call the Middle Ages made great strides in mathmatics and science. The Catholics kept much of the knowledge of the Romans and Greeks alive as well.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Answer

      @Fine

      They never admit that they are the problem in society. Always plugging their silly stories to convince themselves that they are safe. In the process they think that this is the way for all of human kind .. to enforce religion all over. Just a bunch of morons who think their way is the better way to life. From past history they've seen all kinds of religions fall apart – theirs will too. Time is always against man and his self created gods.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Fine: The Romans created indoor plumbing. The maths and sciences of the Greeks and Romans were kept alive and moving, as Swain said. The arts flourish under the Church, whereas the State keeps trying to eliminate them with budget cuts to schools. What's hindering Education right now isn't God, it's the government causing school districts to lay off teachers en masse, and these stupid programs that codify standardized testing as the benchmark of education. It doesn't matter that different people learn in different ways, and some people have more of a philosophical brain than a scientific one. Others have mechanical capabilities that, say, I don't have. But I can play a cello better than most. I can't draw worth a darn, but I can sing. I can't tear apart an engine but I can play a bass. Educations main enemy is the government, not religion.

      @Answer: Actually, the problem in society has been carefully laid out, but I'm not going to mention where because it will just shut your brain down more to anything I say.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Fine: And yes, I'm well aware of the stupidity done in God's name. I'm also sure He shakes His head in absolute and utter disbelief at mankind's incapability to think of more than one thing at a time. Good thing about Christians like me, is I enjoy science. Always have, likely always will. I'm one of those who believes God could have easily used evolution in the process of creation. I'm one of those who believes a day could have easily been 100 million years, since God Himself would have no need for "time." Time is the manmade invention. Not God.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @GodIsTheWay: You said, "Actually, the problem in society has been carefully laid out, but I'm not going to mention where because it will just shut your brain down more to anything I say."

      Is that problem the Jews or the gays or both?

      January 17, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @SeanNJ: Actually, it's neither. The problem at hand is the Zionists, who can pretty much be of any religious path, or even none at all. The Zionists are in control in Israel, even the Jews recognize that. The Zionists are in control of every non-state owned media outlet, including CNN, MSNBC, Fox, ABC, CBS, etc. The Zionists have their American political front in AIPAC, as well as the SPLC, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson as their lapdogs. The Zionists are the ones who force our politicians to pass illegal laws such as Affirmative Action, which is blatant discrimination. The Zionists seek to divide and conquer, and they keep us divided on a lot of different issues, such as religion, race, pretty much anything people can feel strongly about.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @GodIsTheWay: Thanks, good to know.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @GodIsTheWay

      Yep, you're right. If I pi.tied you before I now am just sort of ter.rified. Really? The Zio.nists are in control of everything? At least you tried to differentia.te between je.ws and zio.nists so thats a good thing, but che.ese and cra.ckers are you a nu.tbag.

      January 17, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Chuckles: I'm a nutbag, because I state the truth? Look up the actual owners of the media outlets. They're ALL zionists. Look up who runs the federal reserve. Zionists. Look up who runs AIPAC. Zionists. SPLC are zionist puppets. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are Zionist puppets. A lot of zionists pretend to be Jewish so they have a mantle to hide under. There are also Zionists in positions of power in the Catholic Church. Anywhere you have a power structure, Zionists will appear to take it over.

      Did you know, Chuckles, that any politician who wishes to cut funding to Israel is offered two choices by AIPAC: Change their minds, or suffer a political death. I have no proof, but I'm pretty well convinced that Kennedy's assassination was by the zionists, because he was wanting to end the war.

      Call me nuts if you want to, but research what I've said. It'll scare you how accurate it is.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @GodIsTheWay

      Are you seriously trying to hold onto a semblence of respect by saying that Zionists were responsible for the JFK as.sasination?

      Honestly, I don't have to call you nuts, your post literally screams it. Accusing just about every portion of higher office as being co-opted by zionists harkens back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which is as nuts now as it was then. Funny that you also point to AIPAC as being a zionist lobby when it's, you know, the jewish lobby that obviously supports israel. most jews do and the ones who don't are the paranoid ones who think that grouping all the jews in one place is exactly what our enemies want. In any case, your nu.ttier than a nu.terbutter.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • GodIsTheWay

      @Chuckles: You're wrong. Do the research. The Orthodox Jews have publically named the Zionists their enemies. They have protested meetings of the Zionists, flat out naming Israel as the Zionist state. Again, Zionists like to hide as Jews because Jews are already unfortunately disliked by a lot of people. However, people who do the research know differently.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Chuckles: Do what I did. Say thanks. Move along.

      January 17, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Orthodox jews naming zionists their enemies means nothing, seriously it doesn't, especially because do you know WHY they were named as enemies? Because orthodox jews believe the Diaspora was because of divine decree and because we have not yet received from a god his instructions to recind that decree, it should still be in effect and we shouldn't go to the land of milk and honey yet. (You didn't think I had actually done my own research or study of this specific subject had you...). Zionism and Judasim overlap a lot so you can't really "hide as a jew" while being a zionist.

      By the way, the "research" you're doing is clearly anti-semitic in nature and twisting facts because you think there is some shadow council out there trying to bring the world under jewish hegemony..... I can as.sure having grown up jewish and done all the sh.it that goes along with it, I didn't receive any invites to the national judaism convention on subverting world rule, didn't have enough jewgold and all.

      GodIsTheWay, in stead of listening and reading obvious drivel that's is misleading you, honestly try to understand the zionism is nothing more than wanting and securing a jewish homeland in the land of milk and honey. They are in no way control news outlets, talking heads, jewish lobby groups or the catholic church and they most certinaly did not have a hand in the JFK as.sasination.
      Of course saying this will just spur you to probably reject everything out of hand, but that's your (idiotic) call.

      Oh and congrats! Now I get to brand you as anti-semitic on this forum so bravo!

      January 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Sean

      You're so right, sort of wish I saw your post BEFORE I posted mine
      haha

      January 17, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      I'm just glad it's not the gays. *whew*

      January 17, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @GodIsTheWay: What consti tutes being "very, very Christian", exactly? Do you believe more fervently than someone who's just plain old "Christian"? How do you know? Is there a test? Is it like being in AP Biology? Are you an AP Christian?

      January 17, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
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