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  1. Al

    I hate loose Jesusb-itches (80% of Evangelicals have pre-marital s-ex).

    I wonder what makes them think they have the right to then legislate morality.

    F-uck-wits. All of them.

    January 20, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  2. Here's why

    Religion is critical in politics because religion creates perfect voting blocks that political parties need.
    People who self identify under the same category (a religion), who already participate in the same organization weekly or even daily, who already follow the rules of this organization, and who believe that their very lives depend on following the rules of the organization, are THE PERFECT voting block. This block of voters doesn't need to be united; they alreayd are. All a politician has to do is say that he or she believes in the same organization, the same rules. "I'm one of you, therefore you must vote for me to uphold your rules." Simple. Unfortunately, if you vote based on how others think you should, are you really exercising your voice or someone elses?

    January 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
  3. Anomic Office Drone

    Mostly it comes down to this: many, many Americans are intellectually lazy and would rather be told what to do by someone they trust instead of doing research and finding answers on their own. Religion is a big part of American politics because it makes people feel like they're on the right side of argument without having to think about it. If you can make yourself believe that God is on your side then you don't have to do any critical thinking about the issues or candidates.

    January 20, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • hemnebob

      i so totally agree with you which is why i refer to the conservative voting mass as pure lemmings or maybe sheep.
      plus they don't want to be accountable if they are wrong and how can so many people be held accountable for a source that comes from their god?

      January 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
  4. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer causes small kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer just wastes time.

    January 20, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  5. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer causes kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fu/b>cks up your knees and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer just wastes time.

    January 20, 2012 at 10:37 am |
  6. jimtanker

    "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron – Judges 1:19

    January 20, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • Prior

      "...then did Tilius say to the people of the low plains: seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors, lest it find purchase in your own house."

      "Hallowed are the Ori."

      January 20, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • jimtanker

      Ezekiel 23:20
      There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.

      January 20, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Your point Jim?

      January 20, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • jimbo

      And then Vader said unto Luke, "I am your father." – A New Hope

      January 20, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Pray early and often
    Talk to the Father God
    Talk to our advocate
    The resurrected Jesus
    pray in the Spirit
    Prayer changes things

    January 20, 2012 at 4:46 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      As a Christian I find you incredibly annoying.

      January 20, 2012 at 6:02 am |
    • Prior

      "Those who reject the path to enlightenment, must be destroyed."

      "Hallowed are the Ori."

      January 20, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • ReligionIs4Dolts

      This idiot still can't explain what "other living things" could even give a !@#$ whether some "god" exists. Are "other living things" christian, muslim, mormon, etc.? How many animals go to your church to get their "spiritual batteries" charged?

      January 20, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • tallulah13

      This mindless drone continues to ignore evidence to the contrary of his/her lame mantra. Google "Followers of Christ" church and you will see the failure of prayer.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • SeanNJ

      Stop posting replies to them. They'll grow bored and crawl back under the bridge for a little while.

      I'm more aggravated with the people that keep reinforcing their behavior, especially the ones that should know better. I know it's not your first day on the internet.

      January 20, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • hemnebob

      how in the world do you know what is good for me or anyone besides your own family?
      sounds pretty arrogant and selfish to think you are right and everyone else who differs from your perspective is wrong...

      glad you aren't my parent.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  8. jesus is dead

    why do people keep posting lousy videos all over the place?

    January 20, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • HellBent

      Because they're proud of their interweb skills and they mistakenly think that the rest of us are actually going to watch.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:43 am |
    • If He Ever Existed

      Google "Rock Beyond Belief!" http://atheists.org/blog/2012/01/13/socas-high-school-hero-jessica-ahlquist-threatened-and-harassed-by-christians

      January 20, 2012 at 12:44 am |
  9. Atheist #1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FdsB8D4PhXA

    January 19, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
  10. Iqbal Khan

    http://www.realjewnews.com

    January 19, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  11. ReligionIs4Dolts

    If politicians (and other idiots) weren't religious, then we might have a little more peace in the world!

    Here is a compiled a list of wars, genocides, and other violence that is predominantly motivated by religion, or at least spearheaded by a leader that claims to be religious. This is far from a comprehensive list and does not even begin to account for all the genocide at the hands of Christian conquests of Europe, etc., Muslim conquests of India (which is easily in the many millions), etc., etc., etc., since records were not always kept. And before anyone complains about Hitler and WWII, the only major bona fide atheist leader in the whole shebang was Mussolini! Source: Wikipedia.

    CONFLICT..........................................................MIN. DEAD.....MAX DEAD
    Taiping Rebellion (1850-1864)...............................20,000,000....100,000,000
    European Colonization of Americas (1492-1900)....2,000,000.....100,000,000
    WWII (1939-1945)……………………………………40,000,000…72,000,000
    Dungan Revolt (1862-1877)...................................8,000,000......12,000,000
    Thirty Years War (1618-1648)...............................3,000,000.......11,500,000
    Napoleonic Wars (1804-1815)...............................3,500,000...... 7,000,000
    Yellow Turban Rebellion (184-205).........................3,000,000.......7,000,000
    Deluge (Polish-Lithuanian) (1655-1660).................3,000,000.......4,000,000
    French Wars of Religion (1562-1598)....................2,000,000.......4,000,000
    Crusades (1095-1291).........................................1,000,000........3,000,000
    Second Sudanese War (1955-1972).....................1,000,000........2,000,000
    Mexican Revolution (1911-1920)............................500,000..........2,000,000
    Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988)....................................500,000..........2,000,000
    Armenian Genocide (by Turkey) (1915-1923).........300,000..........1,500,000
    Siege of Jerusalem (70).........................................1,100,000.......1,100,000
    Iraq War (Dubya) (2003-etc.)................................103,536..........1,033,000
    Greek Genocide (by Turkey) (1915-1918)...............200,000..........1,000,000
    A-ssyrian Genocide (by Turkey) (1915-1918).........275,000..........750,000
    Somali Civil War (1991-present)……………………..350,000………500,000
    Parti-tion of India (1947)........................................300,000..........300,000
    Lebanese Civil War (1975-1990).............................130,000..........250,000
    Serbian War (1992-1995).......................................96,667...........96,667
    Arab-Israeli Wars (1945-1995)................................92,000...........92,000
    Afghanistan War (2001-present).............................57,774...........77,774
    Iranian Revolution (1979).......................................3,000..............60,000
    Spanish Inquisition (1480-etc.)...............................3,000..............5,000
    Lynchings by KKK, etc. (Since 1882)......................4,733.............4,733
    9/11 (2001)...........................................................2,996.............2,996

    TOTALS.................................................................90,518,706.....333,272,170

    January 19, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • jespo

      lions 1...christians 0

      January 20, 2012 at 2:44 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @ReligionIs4Dolts- Are you claiming at some level that all those ppl would have lived on to a peaceful and ripe old age if their had been no religions? I hope that isn't the case.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • ReligionIs4Dolts

      Uncouth: No, my point is that religion influences human decisions, whether that is to go to war, to torture people, etc. Not all of the above conflicts had to be strictly ABOUT religion...merely influenced by religion. Of course now some religious person will want to defend their belief and say, "That is not what [fill-in-the-blank] MEANT....it's really all about peace and love and...." .... and yet they can't reconcile any of the conflicts within their various sacred texts (usually just the ones that derive from belligerent Judaism). Anyway, if we didn't have to put up with religion, it would undoubtedly be much nicer because it would be one less difference that humans would have to focus on and get all uppity about.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      There are many things that influence ppl's views. Politics is a major one and it is one that uses other insti_tutions like religion or the military for their own purposes. I just don't think it's fair to imply that religion has to take the majority of the blame for such human tragedy.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  12. ReligionIs4Dolts

    Politicians only pretend to be religious because they're merely weather vanes pointing in whichever direction happens to be popular. When NON-BELIEF becomes dominant, THEN we might finally get to see some candidates who publicly declare that they truly don't give a !@#$ (whether they're atheist, agnostic, pagan, spiritual-but-not-religious, whatever).

    January 19, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • ab

      I'll be nice when that happens. It's too bad that an intelligent person who believes in using reason and logic instead of religious fantasy doesn't have a chance in American politics.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @ab- seems like the problem is that their isn't any atheist out there that can convince the population to vote for them. Don't blame the voters..blame the lack of electable atheists.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • gayjesus

      @uncouth....um, don't the voters elect the politicians? An atheist isn't able to be elected because the electorate are a bunch of sheeple following a fairy tale.

      Therefore, the voters are to blame for no atheist candidates.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • closet atheist

      @Uncouth Swain - That will change when the negative stigma of atheism changes (which it is slowly). There are many very electable atheists. Unfortunately, a lot of them are in the closet (or at least not vocal) because it is not socially acceptible yet. I hope I see it in my lifetime, but getting the narrow-minded religious zealots to accept ALL people for their respective religious beliefs or non-beliefs is no small task.

      January 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • hemnebob

      they're not just weather vanes but vanity addicts and they just love money and power...
      kind of like the people jesus warns you about in the bible...
      remember he collided with the tax men in the temples? them were the politicians back then.
      they are a bunch of corrupted people!!

      January 20, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "An atheist isn't able to be elected because the electorate are a bunch of sheeple following a fairy tale. Therefore, the voters are to blame for no atheist candidates."

      That's a cop out. No one said politics is easy. If an atheist politician cannot get elected because of a religious angle being used against them and counter it successfully...maybe they don't need to be elected. It's up to the politician to convince the ppl to vote for them and not to cry foul when they fail to do it.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @closet atheist- I agree fully that their are electable atheists out there and that they don't have an easy time of things if religion is brought up. However, I really doubt that..as you say, "narrow-minded religious zealots" make up as much of the voting bloc as they once or ever did.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
  13. Anon

    Welcome to America the land of the Jesusfreaks.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUVXEmJRGns

    January 19, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • Observer

      Anon, this is really old news.

      January 19, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Anon

      Yay, I learned to post videos. Aren't you all so proud of me.

      MOM! MEATLOAF!

      January 19, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
  14. Prior

    "...then did Tilius say to the people of the low plains: seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors, lest it find purchase in your own house."

    "Hallowed are the children of the Ori."

    January 19, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
  15. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer causes small kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests who want to jump you.
    Prayer just wastes time.

    January 19, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  16. RightTurnClyde

    Actually religions is NO LONGER big in American politics (except the media makes issues about it).. There was a time (long ago). Wm Jennings Bryan and the "Cross of Gold" goes back to the 19th century, but fundamentalist religion is not such a widespread thing any more. Irish Catholics kind of peaked with JFK. Latins do not vote their religion, they are an ethnic vote and so are the Jews (the Jews don not care about deity, just their share of the pie in the sky). The left wing merely wants manna from heaven or the gubmint - they don't care as long as they get their "fair" share (which is everything). So religion is not a big political factor (actually). The press makes more of it .. but nobody cares. (The left hates religion .. of course because they like to have license to do anything)

    January 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • fail

      your post is severely ridden with failings.

      January 19, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • HellBent

      "The left hates religion"

      Yup, 50% of the populace hates religion, even though 85% of the population is religion. Math fail.

      ".. of course because they like to have license to do anything"

      Indeed, like provide for the poor. We all know the Jesus preached to hoard wealthy and that a sound and compassionate economic strategy is to continue to pool wealth at the top.

      January 19, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Ban Religion

      Hellbent, where does the original comment say 50% of the population hates religion?

      Maybe you should check this out: http://www.gallup.com/poll/145463/democratic-party-drops-2010-tying-year-low.aspx

      Did you say math fail? Someone needs an education. All fingers are pointing at you. So sick of reading comments made by idiots that don't know what the hell they're talking about.

      January 19, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • E harr

      Quite a few generalizations there Clyde old boy. Republicans got in bed with the religious right in the 80s with Falwells Moral Majority. Lots of causes. But it's not exactly rocket science that religion can be used to manipulate more ignorant voters into voting against their economic interests. Karl Rove lamented having to resort to this in 2004, when gay marriage was put on ballots in swing states as a Pied Piper to religious robots who answered the call to action. Quite ugly actually. Religious conservatives are destroying the republican party, with no tolerance for moderate views. Ask John mcCain. They were threatening him hence his choice of Sarah Palindrome. No rational person could for vote a 72 yo McCain with Palin a heartbeat away from the oval office. I didn't leave the Republican party. The Republican Party left me.

      January 19, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • HellBent

      Holy jesus @ban, calm down. The point, which you apparently lost in the details, was that people on the left are, indeed, religious. Thus the original comment was inane.

      Jeez.

      January 19, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Ban Religion

      If you're going to use the stupidly overdone kiddie world of warcraft "fail" meme like all of the other idiots, then at least get your facts straight.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:10 am |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Prayer upsets demons

    January 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer causes small kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
      Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Prayer fucks up your knees and hurts your back.
      Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests who want to jump you.
      Prayer just wastes time.

      January 19, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  18. Reality

    Why is religion so big? The Three B Syndrome i.e. being Bred, Born and Brainwashed in some form of religion !! In the USA, that religion is some form of Christianity.

    January 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Oy...more guesswork from the peanut gallery.

      January 19, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • Reality

      Only for the those interested in a religious update:
      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      January 19, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Lycidas

      No one is interested in your copy/paste that is from last decade. Hardly an "update".

      January 20, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Reality

      Some recent studies by Professor JD Crossan

      2003

      With Jonathan L. Reed. Excavating Jesus: Beneath the Stones, Behind the Texts (Second Edition)

      2004

      With Jonathan L. Reed. In Search of Paul: How Jesus' Apostle Opposed Rome's Empire with God's Kingdom

      2006

      With Marcus Borg. The Last Week: A Day by Day Account of Jesus's Final Week in Jerusalem

      2007

      God & Empire: Jesus Against Rome, Then and Now

      2007

      With Marcus Borg. The First Christmas: What the Gospels Really Teach About Jesus's Birth

      2009

      With Marcus Borg. The First Paul: Reclaiming the Radical Visionary Behind the Church's Conservative Icon

      2010

      The Greatest Prayer: Rediscovering the Revolutionary Message of The Lord's Prayer

      And if you have not already done so, please watch Julia Sweeney's monologue "Letting Go of God". You are one of the "stars" in the show.

      (Ex-Catholic, now atheist) Julia Sweeney's monologue "Letting Go Of God" will be the final nail in the coffin of religious belief/faith and is and will continue to be more effective than any money-generating book or blog on the historical Jesus,

      Buy the DVD or watch it on Showtime. Check your cable listings.
      from http://www.amazon.com
      "Letting Go of God ~ Julia Sweeney (DVD – 2008)

      Five Star Rating

      2012

      The Power of Parable: How Fiction By Jesus Became Fiction About Jesus

      January 20, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Wow..another long list with way too many (hey look at me) spaces inbetween.
      At least you have some stuff that could at least be considered an "update" instead of old stuff.

      Of course with all these lists all you have done really is fall into a argumentum ad verecundiam.

      January 20, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Oh Reality you silly little thing....you want to use Julia Sweeney as a reference? A cast member on Saturday Night Live? A person whose major in college was economics? You think she has the authority and experience to discuss theology? Sure her opinion on Catholicism is as valid as anyone else's..but their is nothing about her background that would lead one to think she has a superior understanding.

      If I want to listen to a funny comedian that is an atheist, I'll stick with Bill Maher.

      January 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  19. Sarah S

    It's because voting Christians only want leaders who will enforce and/or create laws that mirror their religion's laws. like outlawing abortion and banning gay marriage.

    January 19, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      And those two things should not be the only basis of a vote. Look at Sarah Palin, anti-abortion and anti-gay, yet in every important respect she was laughable. Her proposed foreign policy a joke, probably has no idea what the word "economics" pertains to, let alone how it works, couldn't even finish her governorship. Sarah Palin would probably have been the most dangerous person to elect to be president, yet she was anti-abortion and anti-gay.

      January 19, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Ban Religion

      The only reason why palin would even come close to having a chance is because she's got a wet box between her fat legs. Just like it was trendy to vote for obama because he's part black. It's nothing more than novelty to stupid people. People in large groups are like fish. They see a shiny object and they go for it.

      January 19, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • E harr

      Ban religion I'm a fairly middle of road person. Your post is disgusting. You lose all credibility using such repulsive and degradation descriptions of women's anatomy, then throw in a racist remark. Hello redneck bubba.

      January 19, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Ban Religion

      Idiots read way too far into my comments to understand the context. Such a shame, I had so much hope for the "middle of the road indecisive b!tch who can't make up its mind."

      New Alert for stupid: I don't give a sh!t about credibility. Nor does your opinion about my e-credibility matter. In fact, your opinion is worth nothing at all. To anyone. Keep walking down the middle of that road, or sitting on that fence, or contemplating chocolate or vanilla for all of eternity. It works wonders to never make up your mind.

      By the way, I didn't say anything racist for christ's stupid sake. What I said was people in this country were ready to vote for someone of a different color not because of his credibility (after all, he had pretty much nothing for a record before running for office) which you seem to care so much about, but because of the color of his skin. Voting for a black guy for many was a novelty. You're a complete idiot if you think that he got into office because of how many awesome things he accomplished throughout life. He didn't do a thing. I can't tell you how many people I spoke to prior to the election that said they were voting for him because "It's finally time for a black president." Well, if that isn't a qualification for being the most powerful man in the world, I don't know what is!

      Do you know what color my skin is?

      And what the hell is a "degradations description?" I think you mean a derogatory description. Maybe that's what you were aiming for? Nah, you don't aim. You can't decide what to point at.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • SeanNJ

      @Ban Religion: You said, "I can't tell you how many people I spoke to prior to the election that said they were voting for him because "It's finally time for a black president.""

      I'm guessing you can't tell us because the answer is probably 0. Or you simply can't count very high. Woodshop accident in high school took away your built-in calculator or something.

      Seemingly angry generalities don't count as "talking points."

      January 20, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • E harr

      Ban's obviously got an anger problem. Favorite word "idiot". Intellectual grandiosity, still engaging in misogyny, which is inherent in all three dominant world religions and a major reason I defied my Catholic pedogogues, ate the fruit of the Tree of Wisdom and happily never looked back.

      January 21, 2012 at 2:16 am |
  20. prustage

    To Lycidas,

    You cannot win. To quote another , greater than I:

    You cannot use logic to change someone's opinion if they didnt use logic to form it in the first place.

    We are surrounded by morons – they dont play by our rules. The only way to fight Christianity, Islam, Judaeism, Hinduism etc is to invent a bigger, stronger God than the one they invented.

    January 19, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What nonsense. Lycidas IS a moron. Did you really imagine otherwise? Fool!

      January 19, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Prustage- And what exactly am I trying to win?

      "You cannot use logic to change someone's opinion if they didnt use logic to form it in the first place."

      ~Lol...so you are calling a great deal of atheists insane. A man much greater that Tom said, "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” I say this because many many many atheists come on here every single day with the same ol drivel they call logic and expect something to change in those that you are claiming are not using logic.

      Oh Tom..do you ever get tired of using ad hominems? Don't you know any new tricks?

      January 19, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Who needs new tricks for old idiots like you?

      January 19, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Didja fall asleep, old fart?

      January 19, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • E harr

      I don't mind religious people too much really. But I do think that many of them are so brainwashed that they aren't capable of open analysis, especially on social issues. It's not even acceptable to them to listen to those arguments. Having grown up in the Bible Belt, I've witnessed first hand how fundamentalist leaning parents in tandem with churches accomplish this beginning early in childhood with the most intense brainwashing occurring around age 10-12, just as the child is truly developing the ability to reason. They use shame and fear to create intellectual fences. Age 5-6 bible study:Adam and eve were cast from Eden because they ate the fruit of the tree of Wisdom. Could the lesson be any clearer? Thinking too much learning too much-Bad.Not thinking too much so we can tell you what to think -Good.

      January 19, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Ban Religion

      E harr, funny. But didn't you just complain about my comment? And here you are insulting feeble minded idiots that believe in fairy tales. Pot, meet kettle. Turn them sideways, and cram them both. Real hard.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • evolvedDNA

      Lycidas..not sure what you mean by "drivel we call logic" Most of what you know today was discovered by folks who have used logic and intelligence to determine what things are, and how they work. You most likely know that a star , for instance, is not holes punched in the fabric of space looking into heaven. You know and accept that they are balls of plasma/gas and burning because of nuclear fusion.. When they die and explode the heavy elements necessary for life are expelled into space for recycling into possibly other life forms. You are connected to the universe in the most spectacular way..if only the atoms in your body could speak and tell you where they had been and what they were before you. I know that's not logical but an interesting thought anyway.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:58 am |
    • Lycidas

      @evolvedDNA- plz forgive me if I gave the impression that I think logic is drivel. I don't think that at all. I was meaning what some, let's say confused, ppl on here calls logic. Much of it is drivel.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • hemnebob

      well i would vote for green lantern as a god...
      well maybe my real meaning is ryan reynolds is a hottie.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Well..he was able to overcome great evil...he could beat a lesser evil like Obama.
      Just joking with the Obama fans out there.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Plz forgive me if I gave you the impression that logic is drivel." Gee, however would anyone get that 'impression', I wonder? The answer is that is what you wrote, Lyce.

      Nice back-pedal.

      January 21, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Oh Tomissa....I am sorry you cannot read very well. If you will note what I said originally was, "I say this because many many many atheists come on here every single day with the same ol drivel THEY call logic and expect something to change in those that you are claiming are not using logic."

      Plz note the one word I put into caps. You see...I did not call logic drivel. I called what you peddle on here as logic drivel. Try and keep up.

      January 23, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
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