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January 19th, 2012
05:27 PM ET

'Hate religion, love Jesus' video goes viral

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - With so many atheists coming out of the closet, it’s not difficult to imagine a video decrying religion racking up millions of hits on YouTube.

But a video along those lines has been viewed 15 million times and liked more than a quarter-million times since it was posted on January 10, featuring an enthusiastic young Christian from Washington state.

[youtube= http://youtu.be/1IAhDGYlpqY]

“What if I told you Jesus came to abolish religion?” 22-year-old Jefferson Bethke says in the video, reciting a spoken word poem he wrote. “What if I told you getting you to vote Republican really wasn’t his mission?”

“I mean if religion is so great, why has it started so many wars?” he says later. “Why does it build huge churches but fail to feed the poor?”

Bethke's video is emerging as a symbol for many young evangelical Christians who are calling themselves “followers of Jesus” rather than overtly identifying with institutional Christianity. Many of the country's fastest-growing churches are nondenominational.

“Religion is man-centered,” Bethke writes in a post accompanying his YouTube video. “Jesus is God-centered.”

In the video, Bethke talks about what he calls his own spiritual rebirth, saying he went from being a self-righteous religious person to an admittedly deeply broken believer.

The video has provoked an avalanche of response, including other YouTube videos, like "Why I hate religion but love Jesus, Muslim Version" and "Why I Dislike Your Poem, But Love God," which includes these lines:

I see where you’re coming from but there’s insanity in your vision
You overlook the fact that Christianity is religion
You’re like the van who claims to hate diets
Or astrophysicists who reject laws of science.

That response video has itself been viewed 390,000 times. Not bad.

Many religious bloggers echoed that video’s criticism on Bethke, alleging he’s trumpeting tenets of Christianity while purporting to blast organized religion. Critics called Bethke’s take on religion overly simplistic and dangerous.

“Anyone who does just a little digging on Bethke's YouTube channel or on Google will quickly learn that this young poet is a conservative Christian and member of the Mars Hill Church led by controversial pastor Mark Driscoll,” writes Patheos blogger Brian Kirk, a Missouri-based pastor. “All this seems to me an odd résumé for one who lambastes organized religion.”

Yet Kirk marvels at the national conversation that Bethke has provoked around deep questions:

Certainly one can agree or disagree with Bethke's take on religion but it's difficult not to admire the way he has stirred up those of us who may have been slumbering comfortably in our own faith without really thinking about why we do what we do. Some times the best way to wake up a sleeping giant is to poke it with a stick and Bethke has done just that.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Christianity

soundoff (3,716 Responses)
  1. Wizard

    Brings to mind my favorite quote from Ghandi:
    "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

    January 20, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Been There Done That

      Most "Christians" aren't Christians.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Mj

      YES

      January 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • John

      Sort of like saying to Ghandi "I like your Hindu gods but not you Hindus?"

      January 21, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
  2. Peach

    Why I hate fast food, but love Burger King.

    January 20, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • caw

      No, it would be more like I hate fast food but like Hamburgers.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Seer Clearly

      Actually, you both have it wrong: "Why I hate Burger King, but love fast food" would be the best comparison. The difference is that you can easily find God without the Church (in fact, the Gospel of Thomas talks about this), but you really can't find fast food without a fast food restaurant.

      January 22, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
  3. Alfonzo Muchanzo

    That was a powerful video, well said also! I do not wish to argue with all the atheists on these boards who clearly only want conflict and drama which (flasely) proves their superiority to themselves. I know, I was once part of that crowd.

    I've done my own research and looked at issues from both sides with an open mind. While there's still much learning to be done, I have found the light in teh grace of Jesus 🙂 Go out and do real research if you're truly intersted in learning and gaining knowledge, posting stupid arguments on these boards accomplishes nothing and only shows people's willful ignorance. Peace to all 🙂

    January 20, 2012 at 11:32 am |
    • vel

      Nice lies told there for a supposed good Christian. No, atheists don't want drama, only to show how theists are wrong. I wonder, do you recall your god saying "Thou Shalt not bear false witness"?

      January 20, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Alfonzo Muchanzo contains multiple instances of the ad hominem fallacy.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

      January 20, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Liar, you were never an atheist. You were a confused agnostic and now have returned to the rest of the mindless flock. Baaaa.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Either that, or you are a lying christian posing as a former atheist that has "seen the light."

      January 20, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Clayton

      If research didn't involve putting down the bible then I'm sorry my friend but you are looking for the right answers in the wrong place lol

      January 20, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Al

      @ vel, haha, you're stirring drama just by saying that. i'm not a Christian, but Atheists are just as guilty of shoving their beliefs down Christians' throats.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Nathan

      The irony in this post is overwhelming.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • George

      Vel – You can't quote something that you don't believe. In response to your accusation of Alfonzo Muchanzo bearing false witness; just read the atheist comments here or anywhere else. You'll find that his comment is actually true.

      It is your choice to not believe. Feel Free. Many people like you will believe one day! Every knee shall bow and tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord, and that includes you. The one thing that you all forget in your many tirades about why you don't believe...is that God is God. Besides Him there is no other. Christians are trying to help you not hurt you. Maybe you don't want help. The people outside of the ark didn't want Noah's help either, but it was still offered. You have an offer; it's up to you to take it, but don't hate or discriminate against those that do.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Jon

      I like how you don't "want to argue" and then in the same sentence start and argument by insulting atheists. lol, typical Christian.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Alfonzo Muchanzo

      Wish I could say that I was surprised by all the angry comments.....but I'm not. Take me for whatever it's worth to you, I can't persuade you to believe one thing or the other, or prove my claims to be true on a comments board. If you care then you can think critically to yourself, if you don't care and only want to defend your position then you can post angry rebuttal comments. I'll take your comments into consideration, but there nothing new and tbh quite the standard attacks from atheists. Cheers folks.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Anon

      Christians are more prominent in the Latino community. Atheist Latinos such as myself are very rare. 😛

      January 20, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • lulu

      Yes, I agree that people just need to do their own research and come to their own conclusions. That is the sweet taste of freedom that we just so happen to have in this country. I'm sure most of these people arguing would not like a country that forces religion on you like some other countries. Do the research and make your own decision! Period!

      January 20, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • J.W

      Fallacy Spotting 101 enjoys pointing out fallacies because he is a big turdhead. Atheists have it all wrong. The Bible is the word of God. I know that because Tim Tebow said so. So I will keep believing in God, because if I dont I may go to hell, but if I do I may go to heaven. It is obvious God exist because the universe exists, and something created the universe, therefore God had to have created the universe. If we all stop believing in God, we will probably stop going to church, and then we will lose friendships we had at church, then people will be less happy, then more crime will occur, then war will occur, then we will all die. I think that the atheists do not believe in God, therefore they think all religion should be banned, and religious people should be killed. I am sure this argument will make sense to everyone and you will find no fallacies in my argument.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • lulu

      Who cares if he posted anything, you guys are posting too and are CLEARLY trying to start drama. Just because it's not something that you want to hear or don't agree with, seriously? Freedom of speech people.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Christopher M

      "That was a powerful video, well said also! I do not wish to argue with all the atheists on these boards who clearly only want conflict and drama which (flasely) proves their superiority to themselves"

      Where's the power? Is it in the worn out cliches that he uses or the stupid poetry? Sorry, jerk, I didn't see any!

      January 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • J.W

      Christians rule, Atheists drool.

      January 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Religion

      Where did you do the research? Did you follow the scientific method? Was it peer-approved research? Animal safe? Details please...

      January 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • natalie

      Open minded? yeah what a lie. If you were, you would see religion is a tool of the establishment to keep the masses ignorant. Clearly you are brainwashed

      January 21, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  4. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer causes small kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fu/b>cks up your knees and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer wastes time.

    January 20, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • TODD LEWIS

      satan get behind me

      January 20, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Ed

      you have no brain

      January 20, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Michael

      Prayer makes you hoard cats. haha I love that one.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • deadhead4ever

      Classic ! Where`s the," LIKE " tab ?

      January 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Freedom

      Awesome.

      January 20, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • natalie

      haha your prayer poem is so funny yet so true. You are obviously a very intellegent person.

      January 21, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • aarrgghh

      Actually Ed, that would be the first requirement of religious belief.

      January 21, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
  5. vel

    It's the same old story. Christians who have shat all over their religion by their actions, now want to ignore what they've done and claim that it's "not a religion but a relationship." Sorry, dears, but what you do is still a religion and you still worship an being that has no evidence to support it ever existed, just like the Hindus, the Muslims, the Jews, etc. Nothing has changed, you all think your version is the "right" one and that everyone else is "wrong" and no one has any more claim to a real god than the next.

    January 20, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Pat

      Actually, all those religions may worship the same God. All three are religions born of Abraham. In reality, the biggest difference between Christians, Jews, and Muslims is the role of Jesus. Christians believe he was the son of God, Muslims, a prophet, the Jews, a criminal. Wouldn't it be funny if all of them arrived in heaven to only find out all three are worshiping the same God?

      January 20, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • funny

      first of all, God is unique and can not be compare to anything in this universe, but one can look at the creation of God to understand God, nothing in this world goes without rules and laws, from atom to the expending universe, and human are not exempted from this. the one that refuses God's message, the one that refuses God's Messanger and the that associate God with Partner, they will not be in the same place because it is not fair and God is Just.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Michael

      Just because A is true does no make B true.
      Funny -Because the universe makes sense in a mathmatical sense doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God. And if one looks at this world to understand God, I would ask what are you looking at? The Aids patient? the people starving/freezing to death in the hull of a cruise ship? The 8 year old little girl who wants to "just be normal" and go to school but instead spends her time in the cancer ward wracked with pain while her parents just pray over her and refuse to let the doctor actually do his job? I think you view the world through some rosey sunglasses and say "well this all makes sense, of course god exists!" Whatever makes you feel good I guess...

      January 20, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • aarrgghh

      A well articulated response to a Zealot Michael. very nice

      January 21, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
  6. Nikita0363

    HIs video had very valid points, if its causing commotion its probably because you guys missed the point of it!
    he's saying its not enought just to be christian, you have to have a zeal for God/Jesus. you have to be led by faith and your own heart and the Bible, you have to be heart deep not just head deep. Do things according to His will and not just because a church or organization is doing it.

    January 20, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • humanone

      I know a whack of Muslims who have great zeal and they've blown themselves up... a whack of Christians who thought their god was the only god and they slaughtered god's creation because of that... a bunch of Jews who believe god gave them a strip of land on the Mediterranean and will kill to the end to defend it... thank god there are Buddhists who believe there is no god and who just want to zen out. There's hope in the mix somewhere.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  7. derp

    "why I hate religion but love Jesus"

    I'm waiting for the why I hate both video.

    January 20, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • Anon

      Here it is, but it's getting a lot of flack from Christians and Athiest/agnostic accomodists AKA faitheists.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBo7Z_abiLE

      January 20, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Howard

      Me too. He's still claiming one belief over others. Bringing Jesus into the whole thing undermines the beliefs of those who don't follow Jesus, or believe him to be the savior.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • humanone

      the dude in the clip here is a bit bitter... but is entertaining.

      January 20, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • Nick

      He's kind of an angry drunk, isn't he?

      January 22, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
  8. Nina has a very tight anus so be sure to put butter flavored crisco on her buttPlug before inserting

    Athiests love to chomp down on mookie stanks.

    January 20, 2012 at 8:05 am |
    • deadhead4ever

      Nina Hartley Rocks 🙂

      January 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Glory to God
    Speak with God early and often
    Learn the heart of God in prayer
    Pray without ceasing in 2012
    God gives breath use it in prayer

    January 20, 2012 at 4:42 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      DELUSIONAL!!

      January 20, 2012 at 4:51 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      Because of your nonceasing atheist bashing, I believe you are of the religious camp.

      January 20, 2012 at 5:39 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Joxer: My Atheist bashing??? Reality hurt that much??? We only bash the fallacies as we see them and in the real world the buybull is nothing but fallacies...not one of you can prove your god exists or ever existed, not to mention the fact that what you believe is so full of holes and does not meld with what evidence we have...we at least have physical evidence to back science, you only have a book that was written by men as a way to help control the masses and in turn to give a sense of community to those who might not otherwise get out to socialize. When this freak can spew something other than 'pray', they might actually earn a little respect but until then they get what they deserve!

      January 20, 2012 at 8:01 am |
    • Prior

      "The book of Origin tell us that enemies of the Ori will show no mercy in their attempt to lead us astray from the true path, likewise we must attack with all the Strength which we have been given."

      "Hallowed are the Ori."

      January 20, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Prior I would have investigate the truth to your claim if it were not for the confessions of Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin that Stargate is an adventure military science fiction franchise

      January 20, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • Prior

      @Mike – "Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes."

      "Hallowed are the children of the Ori."

      January 20, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • jimtanker

      Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer.

      January 20, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Prevails, Luke 17:28-30 is coming to fruition again.

      Amen.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer causes small kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
      Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
      Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Prayer fucks up your knees and your back.
      Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
      Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
      Prayer makes you hoard cats.
      Prayer wastes time.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Mario

      Why worship a diety? Nobody knows if one exists and if one does, I promise you it's nothing like what we see all world religions sell. Learn to love for love's sake, not because you fear a magical hand appearing from a cloud to come and spite you. Give because you have, not because you have to. Tolerate, but dont' tolerate intolerance. These things are imperative to our society, and religion doesn't have to exist for us to understand this type of morality.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • No1gma

      Mario, that was beautiful, and proof that you don't need a god to be loving and moral. You just need to have good sense and a caring heart. Very well said!

      January 20, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
  10. frank

    I see the light no more darkness no more pain..when do I get my angle wings!

    January 20, 2012 at 3:09 am |
    • HeavenSent

      When you change your name to Clarence, and George and Mary's little daughter ZuZu explains how every time a bell rings, an angel gets its wings. I'd say you missed the movie this year, but it will be showing around Christmas next year.

      Amen.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:24 am |
  11. asdfghj

    Correction: "with so many vile, half-witted group-thinkers predominating society...'

    January 20, 2012 at 2:06 am |
  12. WOT

    Man has messed up God'S (Jesus) word, like they have polluted the world!

    January 20, 2012 at 2:02 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      See how bad your god is? If he is all knowing and all powerful, why didn't he prevent this? Don't give me the satan crap either...it still goes back to your god being all knowing and all powerful-he could do away with satan if he was.
      Your imaginary friend had nothing to do with the creation of this wonderful universe...time to grow up and stop reading fairy tales.

      January 20, 2012 at 4:31 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      @truth prevails Well, since my last post was censored for some unknown reason, I will just say that God fixing everything and doing away with Satan would take away free will. Have a good day.

      January 20, 2012 at 5:46 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Joxer: You'd have to prove that god gives free will and in order to do that you have to prove god exists.

      January 20, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • HeavenSent

      He's right Prevails, God gave you free will even though you believe your arrogance isn't your doing.

      Amen.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:33 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @HS: Your god does not exist and until you can provide the evidence (which you have been asked for on numerous occasions), you have no point. It is your arrogance that gets in the way...I'm not the one claiming to have all the answers because I read the buybull, so pot meet kettle!

      January 20, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • lulu

      TruthPrevails,

      God does have control and does let things happen for the good of the people who love him. If bad things didn't happen we would never see the good. There is an order to everything based on the decisions we make.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • aarrgghh

      Actually Lulu, no he/she/it does not. and again as stated numerous times, the onus is on YOU to prove this deity of your exists and not on those who disagree, to prove it doesn't.

      January 21, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
  13. Atheist #1

    The world is my country, science is my religion.

    January 20, 2012 at 1:52 am |
    • asdfghj

      You don't know what science is, d-egenerate.

      January 20, 2012 at 2:06 am |
    • Atheist #1

      Jesus is a Myth.

      January 20, 2012 at 2:20 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Atheist #1, awesome. Now can you explain to us by the doctrine of your religion the purpose of man on earth, and the reason why "self-help" is the largest section in any book store. What are your doctrinal statements around what is going wrong in the world?

      January 20, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • Atheist #1

      No one may ever know the Meaning of life! And all religion's are too flawed to give the Definite answer. Why "self-help" is the largest section in any book store? Ever person needs or seeks help at one point in their life.What are your doctrinal statements around what is going wrong in the world? God is manacle psychopathic murder!

      January 20, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Right your an atheist so I forgot God doesn't exist and you hate him. Why does everyone need help? Hence why is everyone broken. The meaning of life is to glorify God in the Christian doctrine

      January 20, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Atheist #1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wUVXEmJRGns

      January 20, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Mike from CT

      That all makes sense until you listen to the rebuttal

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqaHXKLRKzg

      January 20, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Alex in NJ

      Actually, Jesus is not a myth. I too am an atheist, just not a self righteous one who looks down on the religious. But even an atheist like me, who knows history can clearly accept that a preacher named Jesus did exist. He is mentioned in at least two no religious texts by historians of that era in ancient Judea. So to say he is a myth is actually just incorrect. While I do not believe he was the son of God, it is nearly indisputable that Jesus the man did exist.

      January 20, 2012 at 11:52 am |
    • Anon

      ^ Show some real archaeological evidence not hearsay.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Can someone teach me how to embed the youtube videos.

      @Alex, I am curious what do you think of the doctrines taught in the Bible?
      What do you think about Jesus himself and who he was?

      January 20, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Anon,
      The pools of Bethesda
      The dead sea scrolls and the Septuagint
      The other historians writing about the early Christians or the Way
      The Hitt-ites were once thought to be a Biblical legend, until their capital and records were discovered at Bogazkoy, Turkey.
      The outline of Noah's Ark

      Are you looking for something specifically?

      January 20, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Stuck in the Middle

      what out line of noahs ark, that thing in Turkey was shown to be a farce long before the shroud of turin. lol
      You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. That's your right. It's also my right to disbelieve and find it all very silly.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • lulu

      So the good and bad in the world is just scientific too?

      January 20, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Non-Believer

      I am with you! A lot of these people can't spell, can't think on their own, and can't respond in a manner that is condusive with their religion, that is...they like to talk ugly when you throw conflict at their beliefs. I wonder how they are going to feel when the Muslims shove their beliefs down their throats. Perhaps the same as we do when they shove their crap down our throats. Sooner or later, people will figure out that you don't need religion or God to be a descent caring human being.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Stuck, do me two favors... provide a reference to when the archaeological dig was able to be conducted on the mountain to disprove the statement.
      Two, tackle the rest of the list, again references would help.

      January 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • aarrgghh

      these people get so twisted up in their ancient book of lies that they forget that Jesus is both the "son of god" and yet Mary is also the "Mother of god" ie the same deity. They also cant seem to understand that NO ONE wrote of jeebus during his supposed lifetime.

      January 22, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • layne arnold

      then you're a theist.

      January 22, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • Mike from CT

      aarrgghhh,

      first where do you get that mary is "Mother of god" in the same term as "Son of God" as always being eternal in the Christian doctrine

      Nobody wrote about the 9/11 attacks until after it happen
      Nobody wrote about the assignation of JFK until after it happen
      Nobody wrote about the assignation of Caesar until after it happen
      Nobody wrote about the battle of "pick a thing" until after it happen

      Why do these things not bother you?

      January 23, 2012 at 8:04 am |
  14. Anon

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf_f1H14rXE

    January 20, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Atheist #1

      Great Vid! http://rockbeyondbelief.com/

      January 20, 2012 at 2:23 am |
    • Mike from CT

      May I ask a different question, Atheist why are you so angry and not embarrassing Christianity? For nothing in the Bible was commanded by Jesus.

      January 20, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • Anon

      Actually yes, since according to christian dogma/mythical lore the deity of the new testament is the same deity of the old testament at the same time. Yahweh = Jesus

      January 20, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  15. Samsword

    This video doen't make sense... A belief in Jesus IS a religion.... Just because a belief isn't organized, doesn't make it not a religion. Furthermore, he's preaching doctrines. Which means he's trying to rally a group of people around some central beliefs... um.. that would be a RELIGION... so... yeah.... self-contradictory.

    January 20, 2012 at 12:56 am |
    • Anon

      It's all cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:02 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      I think what he is trying to get across is that following a bunch of rules in the name of God is at the opposite end of the spectrum of Jesus message of love.

      January 20, 2012 at 5:51 am |
    • The Bobinator

      > I think what he is trying to get across is that following a bunch of rules in the name of God is at the opposite end of the spectrum of Jesus message of love.

      Except that it's not.

      Matthew 5:19:
      Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

      So we see here Jesus specifically saying that you have to uphold the laws listed in the old testament. Specifically all 613 laws in the book of law. Including slavery. Which Jesus touched upon later...

      Ephesians 6:5
      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

      The reality is that Jesus was a big fan of the laws of the old testament.

      January 20, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Posting in pieces because I can't find the moderated word.... it is usually doc.ument or consti.tution

      What he is at.tempting to get across, while ry.hming pha.rses and not real ex.igetic.ally tea.ching th.em, is
      After like 10 attempts I am just given the reference and not the text, hope you spend the time to look them up

      Eph 2:1-10
      Romans 5:15-17
      Romans 4:18-21
      Romans 4:1-8
      Romans 6:23

      January 20, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Con't

      Before you attempt to explain slavery in an ancient text you would want to see how the word has changed over time, like the word gentleman, and have a cultural context of the text and not put it into a Western 20th century version of the word, of British and American slavery. If you think the Christian doctrines support slavery, research the history and beliefs of the first British abolitionist ...

      January 20, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Mike from CT

      You did notice in the text... "called least in the kingdom of heaven" not you will be thrown into hell for not keeping the law.

      Only a perfect man can make penance but it is the non-perfect man that needs to make penance... Oh how great is Christ to come die for our sins.

      January 20, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Jesus is not quoted in Ephesians 6:5

      January 20, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • *facepalm*

      "Oh how great is Christ to come die for our sins."

      Well, he's not all that great. An omnipotent god doesn't make sacrifices. That's a total contradiction.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • HeavenSent

      The Bobinator, you've been on this site long enough to read the reason for slavery in the Bible. Slavery projected by Christians was to provide the individual to pay off a debt. Slavery by non-Christians (e.g., was to have individuals do their work by force or threat).

      Amen.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Mike from CT

      how is that contradictory?

      A debt must be paid, and God took on that debt. I will quote CS Lewis, because I could not describe it as well

      Christ had volunteered to bear a punishment instead of us. Now on the face of it that is a very silly theory. If God was prepared to let us off, why on earth did He not do so? And what possible point could there be in punishing an innocent person instead? None at all that I can see, if you are thinking of punishment in the police-court sense. On the other hand, if you think of a debt, there is plenty of point in a person who has some assets paying it on behalf of someone who has not. Or if you take "paying the penalty," not in the sense of being punished, but in the more general sense of "standing the racket" or "footing the bill," then, of course, it is a matter of common experience that, when one person has got himself into a hole, the trouble of getting him out usually falls on a kind friend. Now what was the sort of "hole" man had got himself into? He had tried to set up on his own, to behave as if he belonged to himself. In other words, fallen man is not simply an imperfect creature who needs improvement: he is a rebel who must lay down his arms. Laying down your arms, surrendering, saying you are sorry, realising that you have been on the wrong track and getting ready to start life over again from the ground floor-that is the only way out of a "hole." This process of surrender-this movement full speed astern-is what Christians call repentance

      Now repentance is no fun at all. It is something much harder than merely eating humble pie. It means unlearning all the self-conceit and self-will that we have been training ourselves into for thousands of years. It means killing part of yourself, undergoing a kind of death. In fact, it needs a good man to repent. And here comes the catch. Only a bad person needs to repent: only a good person can repent perfectly. The worse you are the more you need it and the less you can do it. The only person who could do it perfectly would be a perfect person-and he would not need it.

      Remember, this repentance, this willing submission to humiliation and a kind of death, is not something God demands of you before He will take you back and which He could let you off if He chose: it is simply a description of what going back to Him is like. If you ask God to take you back without it, you are really asking Him to let you go back without going back. It cannot happen.

      ... what you are suggest He do is contradictory to being forgiven

      January 20, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Heavensent
      And you've been here long enough to know that the indentured servitude of which you speak was only for fellow hebrew.
      Foreigners and heathens were chattel – property to be passed down to your children.

      January 20, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • The Bobinator

      > The Bobinator, you've been on this site long enough to read the reason for slavery in the Bible.

      I know what you say it is, but the bible clearly states what you hold to be wrong.

      > Slavery projected by Christians was to provide the individual to pay off a debt.

      A child born between two slaves is the property of the slave owner. Tell me, what is that child's debt? And if it's a female child, she'll never have the right to go free, only her master can set her free.

      Perhaps you should actually read your bible instead of listening to people tell you what it says

      Second of all, there were no christians when this was written. Perhaps you need a history lesson.

      > Slavery by non-Christians (e.g., was to have individuals do their work by force or threat).

      Which was everyone back then, because there were no christians.

      > Amen.

      You should remedy your ignorance.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • lulu

      God is a just god not a god of chaos. He likes order but wants good order for the good of his people. He is not going to let us bad-mouth everything and do whatever we want, is that was people expect?

      January 20, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Before you attempt to explain slavery in an ancient text you would want to see how the word has changed over time, like the word gentleman, and have a cultural context of the text and not put it into a Western 20th century version of the word, of British and American slavery. If you think the Christian doctrines support slavery, research the history and beliefs of the first British abolitionist ...

      I'm sorry, but if you think slavery back in the old testament times was not slavery, then you're ignorant of what the bible speicfically says slavery is and ignorant of what was actually done. Perhaps you should take the time to learn it without being told what to think.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Please find me the western slavery equivalent of

      Inviting your slaves to the party you throw as guess

      11 And you shall rejoice before the LORD your God, you and your son and your daughter, your male servant and your female servant, the Levite who is within your towns, the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow who are among you, at the place that the LORD your God will choose, to make his name dwell there. 12 You shall remember that you were a slave in Egypt; and you shall be careful to observe these statutes.

      or the freeing of slaves every x number of years

      39 ‘And if one of your brethren who dwells by you becomes poor, and sells himself to you, you shall not compel him to serve as a slave. 40 As a hired servant and a sojourner he shall be with you, and shall serve you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 And then he shall depart from you he and his children with him and shall return to his own family. He shall return to the possession of his fathers

      January 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  16. jesus is dead

    this video sucks harder than a collapsed star

    January 19, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Donald Shimoda

      Sucking is a choice.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • jesus is dead

      a choice you've clearly made

      January 20, 2012 at 12:12 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      While I disagree with your name, I think your analogy is hilarious!

      January 20, 2012 at 5:52 am |
    • Anon

      Unless you live in an alternate universe, Jesus is a non-existent mythological character that exists in the over-reactive imagination of Christians.
      Just because Mario is known all around the world, doesn't mean he's real.

      January 20, 2012 at 10:45 am |
  17. Fluffy, the gerbil of doom, and a rodent who HATES rap

    The thing is, Christianity only comes in groups.......communities. The old rugged American "individualism" is not in it's nature. Nice try. Maybe next time.

    January 19, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • Donald Shimoda

      Reality is divinely indifferent. A mother doesn’t’ care what part her child plays in his games; one day bad – guy , next day good –guy. The sky is always perfect.

      January 19, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
    • jesus is dead

      don, what the hell are you babbling about?

      January 20, 2012 at 12:13 am |
    • Anon

      Just ignore the William Lane Craig wannabe.

      January 20, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Thus the reason christianity sticks around unfortunately. It is that one social gathering where people can go and have a sense of community without fear of rejection as long as you play along with it. It's too bad that people do not realize that they can get that same sense without the need of a church sharing their lies.

      January 20, 2012 at 7:37 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Prevails, your arrogance is abundant and your denial hurts. Jesus' truth is infinite ... and fools will be no more.

      Amen.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • aarrgghh

      Heaven sent> I am curious, why do you invoke an Egyptian god in the close of every post? Or do you not understand that the word "amen" is borrowed from Egyptian Mythology. Their deity, "the hidden one", or Amen (later Amen Ra;) is where all religions who use that word in closing prayer, derived it from. I propose that an atheist only believes in one less god than you do.

      January 22, 2012 at 12:10 am |
    • layne arnold

      atheist also associate quite frequently and to my eternal shame. Associations with names like 'free-thinkers' etc. Sometimes we do everything short of hymns.

      January 22, 2012 at 1:51 am |
  18. Iqbal Khan

    http://www.realjewnews.com

    January 19, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
  19. Reality

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    January 19, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • Fluffy, the gerbil of doom, and a rodent who HATES rap

      Ya just never know. One of these days the sacrifice might just "take".

      January 19, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • Donald Shimoda

      No one can stop us from doing what we we want to do.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • jesus is dead

      if you want to live and someone kidnaps you and decapitates you then you don't get to do what you want

      might want to rephrase whatever it is you think you're trying to say

      January 20, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Don, don't know if you were joking

      "No one can stop us from doing what we we want to do."
      So you know when you are going to die? Get cancer? Loose a love one?
      You have control of an any moment not have tragedy grip your life? Please tell us how you do it.

      But to quote:

      13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year there and trade and make a profit” 14 yet you do not know what tomorrow will bring. What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.” 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. 17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, you want to believe this lie so that your sins won't matter. Actually, the liars that have spread this lie are from satan's family, taking 95% of Jesus' truth, adding satan's 5% lies to cause doubt in the minds of Jesus' children by creating false gods and religions. Satan isn't an idiot, you prove his throwing in doubt works for you.

      Amen.

      January 20, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • aarrgghh

      Heaven sent? Satan is just another pathetic character in your worn out fairy tale.. why cant you understand this?

      January 22, 2012 at 12:13 am |
  20. Hey Jesus? Why are your followers such nincompoops?

    This is a new poetic form for proselytizing is called Christian rap, shortened to it's popular and accurate name, C.rap.

    This video is a particularly fine example of C.rap, and Jefferson Bethke has lept to the forefront of C.rappers.

    January 19, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • Donald Shimoda

      C.rap needs a place to go too.

      January 20, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • WordUpToo

      Hah! the best post of all!

      January 20, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
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