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My take: Why Christians are criticizing my Christian marriage and sex book
January 24th, 2012
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My take: Why Christians are criticizing my Christian marriage and sex book

Editor’s note: Mark Driscoll is founding pastor of Mars Hill Church in Seattle, Washington.

By Mark Driscoll, Special to CNN

You try to write a book on marriage and sex with your wife and next thing you know there are a lot of ants crashing your picnic.

My wife, Grace, and I recently published "Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex, Friendship, & Life Together," which quickly became a No. 1 New York Times best-seller.

In it, we’re brutally honest about our past struggles, share the lessons we learned along the way and talk frankly about sex. Criticism has ensued.

If you wish to find that criticism, just do a Google search. You’ll find plenty. My intent here is not to name names and pick a fight with my critics, but to provide context on why there is criticism.

We knew before we wrote the book that we’d catch a lot of flak, especially on the chapters dealing with sex. We also knew the criticism would come from every direction, as some people would think we went too far and others would think we didn’t go far enough.

But we wrote it anyway. Why? Simply put, we want to help marriages — and single people aspiring to marry — and we wanted to do so in a way that is practical, biblical and applicable to the reality of today’s culture.

If the book accomplishes that, we’ll take the criticism in exchange for helping people. We don’t think our book is perfect and we tell folks upfront (literally in the preface) to take what is helpful and leave the rest.

The book identifies three ways people tend to view sex: as gross, as a god and as a gift.

Sex as gross

Some people are very uncomfortable talking about sex, even with their spouses.

Many Christians, because of upbringing and past church experiences, view sex as gross and something that should not be talked about in public.

Unfortunately, this view is pervasive in the church. Many couples have honest questions about sex and various sexual acts but struggle to find a pastor willing to teach on these topics.

With nowhere else to turn, these couples find wrong and damaging answers in magazines, television, movies, porn and more.

The practical result is that couples divorce their sex from their spirituality, talking to their pastors about “spiritual” issues and ordering their love life around advice from “secular” sources.

Next time you’re in line at the grocery store, read the headlines on the women’s magazines that are shouting at little kids standing in line with their parents. Our culture has made the wrong answers about sex far easier to find than the church has made the right answers to find.

Those who view sex as gross criticize our book because we speak too openly and frankly about sex for their taste. The accusation is that the private counsel that pastors give to people in the church isn’t suitable to give in a public context.

But many critics tend to want to debate nuances of theology rather than engage head-on the practical realities that many people are facing.

I’ve written systematic theology books with hundreds of footnotes. "Real Marriage" is not that kind of book. It’s a practical book rooted in the Bible.

We call everything a sin that the Bible does and we give directives for married couples to use wisdom and conscience in discussing what they do and do not want to do sexually on matters to which the Bible doesn’t speak.

Because we believe the Bible is God’s perfect and sufficient word, we don’t want to add to it what we want or the archconservative Christian culture wants.

Conversely, we don’t want to remove anything from it just because some people find it uncomfortable.

People in our churches are dealing with the issues discussed in "Real Marriage," and to pretend these aren’t real issues and to avoid talking about them is akin to closing your eyes and declaring that you don’t see the need we are serving. If ministry leaders don’t address these issues in some way, we’re religious cowards who do a disservice to our church.

Before we get to the trickiest sexual questions, based upon what many people are already doing, our book deals with marriage in the context of friendship, men’s and women’s roles and responsibilities and how to deal with sin so that marriage gets better rather than bitter.

When we do get around to evaluating sex acts, we ask three simple questions, based upon 1 Corinthians 6:12 in the Bible: 1. Is it lawful? 2. Is it helpful? 3. Is it enslaving?

Each of these questions leaves room for couples to be grownups and to determine what works for them sexually by allowing them to examine their hearts and the scriptures – and to act according to their consciences on whether they wish to participate in sexual activities that the Bible neither forbids nor condones.

While it may be fun for bloggers and critics to discuss these things, our hope was that couples would instead be the ones having these conversations to build their marriages in ways that don’t pressure, abuse or use one another.

Sex as a god

There are some who think about almost nothing else but sex, treating it as a kind of god. This can happen in the form of addiction to sex or porn, severe promiscuity, adultery or participating in various sexual acts that the Bible speaks against, making personal preference and desire more important than what God says about sex.

This view of sex is pervasive, as many go to extraordinary lengths to fulfill their sexual desires, even when it’s not good for them physically, spiritually, mentally or emotionally.

Even worse, this view causes some to do unspeakable acts against others in the form of rape, assault, marital sexual assault, pedophilia, sex trafficking and more – making literal human sacrifices to their god of sex.

Those who view sex as a god criticize our book because it doesn’t go far enough for them. Because we teach that the Bible does call some sex acts sin, such as pornography, premarital sex, homosexuality, adultery and more, we are criticized for being judgmental, prudish, antiquated and fundamentalist.

We understand that not everyone will believe what we believe, but as Christians who view the Bible as our highest authority in life, we don’t write the mail, we simply deliver it.

In the end, for conservatives we’re too liberal, and for liberals we’re too conservative. We can’t win.

Thankfully, we’re not concerned with winning. We’re concerned with helping others build healthy, happy and holy, God-glorifying marriages.

Sex as a gift

What Grace and I have found in nearly 20 years of marriage and more than 15 years of ministry is that both the church and culture often get sex wrong.

So we went back to the scriptures to see what they have to say.

The Bible gives us a different way to think of sex. Instead of seeing it as gross or slavishly worshiping it as a god, the Bible teaches that sex is a powerful and exhilarating gift that God gives to married couples.

It is also a deeply spiritual act, bringing together a husband and a wife to be one flesh (Genesis 2:24), binding them together on a spiritual, mental, emotional, physical and neurological level.

As a deeply spiritual act, it’s important for people to understand what the Bible teaches (and doesn’t teach) about sex, to be able to speak openly and honestly with their ministry leaders regarding sex, and to find solid, biblical teaching on sex.

God has a plan for sex: that it is to be enjoyed between one man and one woman in the context of marriage. This means that there are certain types of sex acts that abuse and misuse the good gift of sex that God gave, and that we are to honor God with our bodies by living our sexual lives in a way that glorifies him and honors the scriptures.

In our book, we blow up some common misconceptions about sex (like that the Bible prohibits stripteases or oral sex). We help people understand that it’s God’s intent that we steward and enjoy the gift of sex, like every gift he gives, in such a way that is glorious to him, good for our marriages and a lot of fun.

It is our prayer that you and your spouse would move past any misconceptions of how you’ve seen sex and understand it to be a gift from God. A gift to be stewarded. A gift to be guarded. A gift to be enjoyed. And a gift to be shared together for God’s glory and your good as friends.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Driscoll.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Christianity • Opinion • Sex

soundoff (750 Responses)
  1. jimtanker

    As long as a “righteous man”, as Jesus supposedly called him, like Lot can offer an unruly crown his virgin daughters so that they can have their way with them there is no way that I would ever take advice from these moldy books or anyone that follows these Bronze Age fairy tales.

    January 24, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Liberal Conservative........Conservative Liberal

      And since we live in a free country you can believe whatever you want. Just be prepared to defend your position one day standing alone.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • jimtanker

      I will always have logic and reason beside me.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      don't forget about the drunken or/gy Lot had with those self-same daughters a while later!

      January 24, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Very true DV. What a righteous man he was.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • An inconvenient truth

      Lot was not aware of the drunken relations with the daughters and taken advantage of – thus not guilty of sin
      Lot offered his daughters as Abraham offered his son in the confidence of God that they would be fully restored to him. In both instances the offer of Abraham or Lots offer neither offer was fulfilled as God found another way.
      Neither scenario would take away the righteous standing of Lot

      January 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • jimtanker

      So you are saying that if you were totally convinced that the voice that you were hearing in your head was your god that you would take your son and drive a knife through his heart and then set him on fire? And that’s a good thing? Just another stunning example of the absurdity of this religion.

      January 24, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  2. Mistawow

    My concern with the book, is it explains that our pastors do not openly talk about $ex in church, would that really be appropriate for all ears to hear? Maybe a class on it for the married couples of the church but to teach it in a service would not be right. Maybe I read the article wrong, but that is how they make it sound.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  3. Hasa Diga Eebowai

    The reason someone is religious is fear and ego (all enforced by early childhood brainwashing). Even thinking about reproduction starts a train of thought that gets at the root of these issues, this reasoning is what their security blanket is meant to protect them from.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Franco Saudelli

      "The reason someone is religious is fear and ego (all enforced by early childhood brainwashing). "

      Wrong.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Wow! What a stunning rebuttal with irrefutable evidence.

      January 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Hasa Diga Eebowai

      oh did i hit i nerve.. sorry to make you think

      January 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Franco Saudelli

      Sometimes wrong is just that..wrong. All it takes is one person that decides to join a faith that is not of their parents and there you have it...you are wrong.
      Now, are you willing to bet that their isn't one person out there that hasn't joined a faith independant of their parent's faith?

      January 24, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Hasa Diga Eebowai

      1st its called an outlier, 2nd its sadder when someone escapes reason when childhood indoctrination was not used.

      January 24, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Franco Saudelli

      You ahve yet to show that a person of a faith is being unreasonable. You have you opinion, but little else.

      January 24, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
  4. Bill Nye the Science Gye

    Can we get some input from Christopher Hitchens please?

    Ya there Chris? Can ya provide some input ole buddy ole pal?

    January 24, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
  5. George

    This pastor should resign his parish immediately. He hasn't a clue, not a clue, about Christianity. S.e.x is evil and filthy, and its only legitimate purpose is for the conception of children within the bonds of matrimony. Anything else is just lus.t and giving in to the pleasures of the flesh which we as Christians are specifically commanded to avoid. I am really surprised that someone who holds himself out as a pastor would be so ignorant of the Bible. How could he expect anything other than critism?

    January 24, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Adam

      trolling is not very becoming of you

      January 24, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Bill Nye the Science Gye

      Pretty sure you fall in the "$ex is gross" category referenced above.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • George

      No, it's not just gross, it's evil apart from it's divine purpose. Read the Bible. Even animals know the purpose of s.e.x.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • J.W

      Show us some verses that say s3x is evil

      January 24, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • George

      @Adam

      It's not trolling; it's the truth. Read the New Testament. St. Paul warned us about this. Funny how around here if you are a conservative Christian you are called a troll on a BELIEF BLOG.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Mike

      Troll.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • George

      @J.W.

      There is not a verse that says in the exact words that "s.ex is evil." Cannot you read context. St. Paul told us to avoid s.e.xual sin and called us to forsake the pleasures of the flesh.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • LOL

      Yup, even animals know. I have seen a male dog do a male dog, cat, my leg, the air, himself....
      Yup even animals know about divine s e x!

      January 24, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • J.W

      Why does pleasures of the flesh have to mean se.x? I think that could be any sin. Plus se.xual sin does not mean all se.x

      January 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • LOL

      Oh boy! God said...The Bible said... St. Paul the mass murderer said...
      Some people will believe anything they read.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Mike

      Gawd, people, stop feeding the troll. He's growing!!

      January 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • George

      @J.W.

      "Why does pleasures of the flesh have to mean se.x?"

      It doesn't mean just se.x. It also includes gluttony, drunkeness, drugs, etc.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  6. bob1037

    "besides that many supposed Christians preach more hate than love"
    We don't hate anyone, we hate the sinful act they are committing.

    "If I don't believe in his son, I'm going to suffer for all eternity?"
    Not necessarily, you might end up in purgatory and God will judge you there. If you don't believe in God, then you don't know if you want to go to heaven. God can't force you to go to his kingdom if you don't want to go.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • MarcTTF

      "God can't force you to go to his kingdom if you don't want to go."

      But he can force me to spend eternity in hell? What swell guy.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • Hasa Diga Eebowai

      A person is there actions. There is NO other way to define a person.

      January 24, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
  7. Reality

    Dear Pastor,

    You might want to spend more time reading about the flaws in your religion.

    To get you started, a summary:

    Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    January 24, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • rsjacksonus

      Prove it. What you said, prove it. Show me the proof of your view.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Adam

      You sound angry. Seems like you could use a little R&R.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Melabez

      You lost me at Dear Pastor.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Dr No

      Ah, you're just jealous because there's no blog for atheists. Tell me, do you spend every day lurking around religious blogs to try to belittle people's faith (ultimately with no effect, might I add), or do you have other hobbies? Perhaps you hang around political party blogs so you can blast other people you disagree with with your razor sharp wit and insight! Or maybe you try to poke fun at other cultures that are foreign to you? Well, sir, you are a credit to all atheists. Your intolerance for diversity is a beacon to us all and not at all the height of hypocrisy. Now go, for the world needs more of your insightful commentary! Go! Go!

      January 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • Believer

      I honestly cannot believe the garbage that you just spit out about our Lord Jesus Christ. May he have mercy on your soul, you will as we all will have to account for all we have done and said in our lives. I wonder what you will have to say for yourself then? God bless you!

      January 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Reality...Checked

      I think you are incorrect on various points, but I am glad that you are trying to take a look at who Jesus was. Jesus was certainly not illiterate, since he was seen to "write in the sand" according to multiple historical accounts. The Bible is a historical book, but I think it's okay to question it and anything else that seems preposterous to you. You can doubt that Jesus is the Christ, was crucified and rose from the dead in three days...as well as that he is God, part of the Trinity, but you can't deny that he has forever changed the course of history. We measure time based on his appearance on this earth! Whether you curse Him, deny Him, or hate Him, you have heard of Him. He changed the way the world treated women and progressed the rights of women; he changed the way the world treated the poor and impoverished; he changed the way the world treated children...I could go on and on. It's worth it to find out who He is indeed. If at the end of your life, you still don't believe, that's up to you. But remember, if Jesus was a nobody and a lunatic, he is of no importance to you or eternity. If Jesus is who He said He is and who billions claim He is...He is of every importance to you and eternity.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Reality...Checked

      A few more points...everything Jesus said was actually contrary to the Greeks, Persians, Romans, etc. etc. believed and the way they lived. What he taught was considered extremely radical in his time – and really still it still is. John the Baptist himself proclaimed that Jesus was the Christ and God incarnate.

      Also, I agree that there are many things wrong with Christianity as a religion. Christians and people, in general, are imperfect – why else would we need Jesus? Study Christians, and you will find lots of faults. Carefully study Jesus, and you'll find none.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • ......

      hit report abuse on every repeat reality garbage post

      January 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Reality

      o The illiteracy of the simple preacher man aka Jesus, as per some contemporary experts:

      From Professor Bruce Chilton's commentary in his book, Rabbi Jesus, An Intimate Biography, p. 99,

      "What Luke misses is that Jesus stood in the synagogue as an illiterate m–amzer (pp. 98-102) in his claim to be the Lord's anointed".

      Note: Luke 4: 16 is a single attestation. No where else in the NT does it say Jesus could read thereby making said passage historically unreliable. (Luke 4:16-24) has been compared to a number of other passage and found to be equivalent with the exception of Luke 4: 16 which is the only passage in the list of equivalents that mentions reading:
      http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=022_Prophets_Own_Country (leave out the hyphen in "t-itle" if you access the reference)

      1) GThom. 31 & P. Oxy. 1.31
      (2) Mark 6:1-6a = Matt 13:53-58
      (3) Luke 4:16-24
      (4) John 4:44

      Professor JD Crossan notes that Jesus was illiterate coming from a landless peasant background, initially a follower of John the Baptist. e.g. The Excavation of Jesus (with Professor Reed), pp 30-31..

      The question of Jesus's literacy has also been much discussed by the Jesus Seminar and others and they note that references in the Gospels to Jesus reading and writing may well be fictions.

      The only Gospel reference to Jesus writing is John 8:6 in the Pericope Adulterae, widely considered a later addition, where it is not even clear he is forming letters in the dust, and the Greek "εγραφεν" could equally mean he was drawing.
      Luke 2: 41-52, the twelve year old Jesus in the temple- As per Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 275, " the episode is unhistorical" (again, a single attestaion). See also http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=433_Jesus_at_Twelve

      It is very unfortunate that Jesus was illiterate for it resulted in many gospels and epistles being written years after his death by non-witnesses. This resulted in significant differences in said gospels and epistles and with many embellishments to raise Jesus to the level of a deity to compete with the Roman gods and emperors. See Raymond Brown's book, An Introduction to the New Testament, (Luke 4:16 note on p. 237) for an exhaustive review of the true writers of the gospels and epistles.

      Of course, Muslims believe that Mohammed was also illiterate. This way, they can claim that the only way he could have received the "angelic", koranic passages of death to all infidels and Islamic domination of the globe by any means, was orally since he could not read and write.

      January 24, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Reality

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/Disease:

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      Of course, we all know that angels are really mythical "pretty wingie talking thingies".

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

      p.4

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      January 24, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Amelie

      Dear Trish,We are so shocked and seddan for you, Mike, and all of Marge's friends and family. She was a lovely woman who will forever have us laughing over Michael's name JOHN . Our door is always open for a hug, coffee, talk, or cry so don't be shy! We are all here for you! Love you so much!Always,Kel and Mike

      May 19, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  8. joel

    Most people on here do not understand what true "love" is. Real love is telling others the truth with grace and compassion. If one of your friends is a severe alchoholic, are you loving them by being silent and not getting them help?
    The bottom line is we are all in desperate need of a savior. Thanks Pastor Driscoll for speaking to problems that affect our culture, even when its not what people want to hear.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @joel,
      Anyone can claim that they are the only one who knows what "true" or "real" love is, why should anyone else believe them?

      January 24, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Another definition of "love":
      The state in which another person's happiness is necessary for your own.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Truth

      @joel – Well said, God bless! Get ready for the attacks on how you don't know anything though, they're bound to come at you like bullets from all the atheists claiming your stupidity.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  9. I can see clearly

    This Christian idiot needs to go f himself. Christianity, ever since right after Christ died, has NOTHING to do with Christ's teachings. Christians have been responsible for countless deaths, cultural destruction, etc.... We would be MUCH better off if the Paganism of Ancient Rome was the culturally dominant faith. the three cousins ( Xians, Jews, and Muslims) have collectively destroyed so much of the good of humanity. The pastor is a meat head idiot, OOOOO loooookkk I'm a christian BUT I have Tatoosssss.....

    January 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Got Anger?

      Think your anger is misdirected sir.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Mike Mc

      "We would be MUCH better off if the Paganism of Ancient Rome was the culturally dominant faith"

      It is; It's called the Roman Catholic Church. There are a billion followers...

      January 24, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Mike

      *Sigh*

      No fan of dogmatism myself, but you're an idiot. You do realize that Roman pagans practiced human sacrifice... I have no problem with people hating on the church, but morons who blame it for every evil in the morning paper aren't helping address real issues. Has evil been committed in the name of the church? Of course. If the church didn't exist, would that evil still have been committed? Of course. The church (and religion) is just a convenient scapegoat – people will find a way to justify what they want to do, always.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Lhen

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      May 19, 2012 at 6:16 am |
  10. Phil in KC

    This article is a re-run of a previous article, essentially.
    Still, I applaud the minister for what he is doing. Unfortunately, he will be blasted by the right and the left for his views, for very different reasons.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Some what, yes. Although this one is by the author, Driscoll.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
  11. FU

    TL;DR – are they criticizing your book because christ is not real?

    January 24, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • thatguy123

      You are OFFICIALLY my new hero! 🙂

      January 24, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  12. Tisha

    Thank you for your honest and reflective view of marriage through the eyes of biblical based Christians!

    January 24, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  13. Loserville, Population = You

    Get angry atheists, get angryyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

    You all know everything, get angryyyyyyyyyyyy

    Argggggggggg, I'm atheist and am mad at the world, arggggggghhhhhhhhhh.

    I don't like others call bad behavior bad, I don't want repercussions for my actions, get angryyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    I'm a bitter mean person, argghhhhhhhhh, get angry atheistssssssssss

    hahahahahahah all you little p!ssants who get your p@nties in such a bunch is hilarious. You all claim one thing while you're so very obviously something completely different.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      Now there's some anger for you.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  14. Why all the Excuses?

    What's up with all the intellectual dishonesty on these comments? People's comebacks show absolutely no critical thinking or knowledge on these topics, yet they act like they are all knowing. The hypocrisy, willful ignorance, and vitriol is astounding.

    95% of the comments can be automatically dismissed because they are equivalent to the rants of 5 year olds and should be treated as such.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • agree

      I agree

      January 24, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Pot, or kettle?

      And that post isn't a rant that should just be dismissed ... how?

      January 24, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Why all the Excuses?

      @Kettle – Take my post for whatever it's worth to you, I could care less. Just making an observation.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  15. A

    Demons? Really? The fact that people still believe in stuff like that is scary.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Seen Demons

      ha, you have never experienced it. You so don't know....

      January 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • E

      If you are seeing Demons you should get psychological help immediately.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • abaddon

      i am legion

      January 24, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • nior

      I am platoon.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  16. Yo!

    Is CNN doing comedy pieces now? This is funny... but I guess this is why we yell "JESUS!" at climax.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • JuneCleaversBeaver

      Actually I had your wife screaming "Oh God Oh God" last night so your insight is a bit off.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  17. Anna

    Being Christian is the best gift someone could ever have.... (L)Jesus

    January 24, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Quoting from fictional characters doesnt count.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Chaz

      well said. The best Christmas present is receiving Christ...and its FREE

      January 24, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Soylent Green

      @Chaz, communion wafers is PEOPLE!!!!

      January 24, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Except that your fictional character wasnt born anytime near the fable purports him to have been.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Chaz

      communion wafers is people? 1) thats not even proper english 2) its the body of Christ

      man you haters need to READ the word before you mess up quoting the word

      January 24, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • E

      Because it allows you to stop questioning and close your eyes to what is really going on? You don't have to think.....now, that is a gift.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Juck

      @Chaz – it's a satire on a line from the movie 'Soylent Green' . Get a life.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Chaz
      Not a Charlton Heston fan, eh?

      January 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • J

      Okay. You don't have to believe that Jesus is God, but how can you possibly say he was fictional?! We measure time based on his existence on this earth.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  18. NJ

    Christianity is all about LOVE! Those who don't accept Christ' as Lord & Saviour won't enter kingdom of heaven !

    January 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Except, apparently, when it involves two men or two women...

      January 24, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Or childeren who disobey their parents.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • rex

      It is all about LOVE!! So do what we say or you'll go to hell!

      January 24, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Ben

      My problem with this statement (besides that many supposed Christians preach more hate than love) is that it makes me feel more loving and forgiving than God supposedly is. If I don't believe in his son, I'm going to suffer for all eternity? That does not sound loving at all. That just makes God sound like the world's most annoying parent and should be on a TLC tv show.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Jonathan

      I have no interest in entering any heaven ruled by a god who tosses people into an eternity of fire burning just because they don't agree with everything his out dated book says. Seems cruel to me. What if one was never given the chance to accept the Christian god but accepts Allah? They are still deemed for an eternity in a fire pit because of the geographical location of the life essentially? So silly.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • E

      As an outside observer it seems to be more about hate and inclusiveness.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Huh? Please Go Read a History Book

      @Jonathan – http://www.gotquestions.org/never-heard.html, that's one website that'll attempt to explain it. Better off searching google and going to as many websites as you can find and formulate your own opinion as opposed to asking cnn commentors, which are clearly a bunch of morons.

      Not to be mean, but your question by itself shows that you've never done any real studying and looking into the matter. I don't think you should hold strong opinions when you're uneducated in a topic. And that goes for most everything in life.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • I can see clearly

      lol, your beliefe about th ecreator is anything but loving. You mean to tell me that the diety who created all is SOOO insecure as you portray him to be? You are misled and tricked.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Rob

      Ya.. that's right little boy.. it's all about LOVE...
      So why don't you get down on your knees, and let Pastor show you some real lovin'

      January 24, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Felix

      Christ never said you had to be a Christian to get into heaven. Watch this short video to understand what "No one comes to the Father except through me" really means...it's so simple a child could understand it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztDgyOKej1k.

      Oh, and you can keep your angry and exclusion god all to yourself, thank you very much.

      January 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Huh?Please go read a REAL HIstory Book.

      @Huh? Please Go Read a History Book
      Not to be mean, but you're an idiot. That site you referenced is so full of misinformation I wouldn't know where to start.

      @Jonathan
      The Christian god and Allah are one in the same

      January 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  19. Wow

    Gotta hand it to this guy, he sure knows how to milk a topic no one cares about for every penny it's worth. Free advertising, right "pastor"?

    January 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  20. filtered

    It's interesting that Driscoll writes a piece about how others are criticizing his book – as he is one of the most vocal critics of others who don't fall into his view of how he thinks people should act and be. Both Christian and non-Christian. It's difficult to read a book that is essentially about "love" from a Christian leader who regularly spews hatred. He gives loving Christians a bad name.

    January 24, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Crownnoble

      Nice of you to accuse him of spewing hatred without noting or qualifying it. Does he spew hatred toward actions, thoughts or the persons themselves? Any difference is HUGE! I don't hate you, but the statement you made may give many a case to hate it.

      January 24, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Jaszbo Christus

      Jesus himself spoke of hating for His sake. He said, "If anyone does not hate their father,mother, brother, sister or cousin, their husband/wife, child, yes, even their own life, they cannot be my disciple." Does this mean that we are to kill for His sake? no. Does this mean we are to condemn others? No. Why does He admonish to this? Because it is not practical in this world of error and other social malady to walk around always in a state of blissful love? It is a world filled with trouble, and if you walk around 100% of the time in such a state of blissful love, you're going to get hurt far more readily than if you do what he admonished to. Conversely, we are to *act* lovingly, obeying the scriptures, the Gospel in particular, and not merely do God lip service. And it is written in the Book of Ecclesiastes, "There is a time to love and a time to hate."

      Love is preferable to hate, to be sure, but we must, we Christians, if we are to successfully accomplish obedience to Jesus and the Scripture, love Jesus Christ above all. He said, "If you love me, you will obey my commands."

      January 24, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • TheyNotHim

      Please cite one primary source that Jesus actually existed. No, the bible is not a primary source as none of the authors included in that work actually met the man in person. In fact, the Romans, a culture famous for their record keeping, never once mention his birth, life, crimes, trial, punishment, or death. Makes you think doesn't it?

      Still waiting...

      January 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
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