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January 24th, 2012
04:50 PM ET

Romney tax returns shine light on Mormon tithing

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - Although many Americans may have wondered just how much money Mitt Romney makes and how much he pays in taxes in the lead-up to the release Tuesday of his tax documents, there was little suspense around how much he gives to his church.

That's because all Mormons in good standing with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are required to give 10% of their salaries as a tithe.

"Mormon children are expected to begin tithing from their very first allowance," says Terryl Givens, an expert on Mormonism at the University of Richmond. "And there's never any variation on the 10%, whether you're on welfare or you're a millionaire."

Mitt Romney and his wife, Ann, gave even more to their church last year. Tax documents released Tuesday show they gave $2.6 million, more than 12% of the roughly $21 million they earned. The Romneys also gave $1.4 million last year in cash and stock to their family foundation, which heavily supports the LDS Church.

In 2010, the other year for which the Romneys released a federal tax return, they gave $1.5 million to the LDS church, 7% of their earnings, plus $900,000 to their family foundation, called the Tyler Foundation.

The Tyler Foundation gave $145,000 to the LDS church in 2010, so the Romneys' church donations average out to 10% over the last two years.

Unlike in most Christian traditions, in which the decision about whether to tithe is made individually by each church member, giving to the LDS Church is enforced. Participation in important ceremonies at Mormon temples is contingent on being paid up.

"For Mormons, tithing is an article of faith, not an economic principal," said Givens, who is Mormon. "Some critics see it as tying worthiness to an economic contribution."

He calls it "an important differentiator between devout Mormons and nominal Mormons."

A survey of American Mormons released earlier this month by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that eight in 10 say they tithe to the church.

Tithing dates back to the earliest Mormons, with the LDS Church's 19th century founder, Joseph Smith, drawing on the Bible's Old Testament as precedent for 10% church support. Smith also wrote about tithing in the Doctrine and Covenants, a Mormon holy book comprising Smith's revelations from God.

For early Mormons, tithing was as much practical as theological. As the early Mormon community journeyed from state to state across America, often on the run from persecution, tithing was an important way for the community to sustain itself.

"Early Mormons were outcasts from society and suffered extreme deprivation and they needed to take care of themselves and take care of the church on a day-to-day basis," Givens said. "To this day, Mormons are known for taking care of their own."

Today, tithing finances the administration of the Salt Lake City, Utah-based LDS Church, the construction of Mormon temples - which are rapidly proliferating as Mormonism grows worldwide - and the church-owned Brigham Young University.

Mormons are also encouraged to give separately to their local congregations and to a church humanitarian fund that goes to international relief projects. The church urges Mormons to fast on the first Sunday of each month and to donate the cost of the food they would typically eat to the humanitarian fund.

An informal 2011 survey by the National Association of Evangelicals found that most evangelical leaders on its 100-person board of directors don't believe the Bible requires tithing. Just 42% of the board members said that is true.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Mitt Romney • Money & Faith • Mormonism • Politics

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  1. buckaroobanzai

    the truth is we are not that distant from God, unless we behave badly then we distance ourselves from him. It is Gods work and his glory to bring to pass the immortality and internal life of man.. that is because our relation ship to god is literally a father to son relationship. He does not care so much that we sing praises to him as much as he cares that we treat each other decently and with respect.

    January 26, 2012 at 2:03 am |
  2. buckaroobanzai

    If God is so supreme and all powerful and all knowing. If God is so superior to us(like the way we relate to ants on a ant hill) why would he care if we sing praise to him, why would he care that we play the electric guitar on the mike huckabee show.

    January 26, 2012 at 1:59 am |
  3. RTM12341234

    Not Christian? Here's one of my favorite scriptures from the Book of Mormon:

    "And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins."

    We're called The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints for a reason. I don't need any religious bigots to define my beliefs. I believe in Christ. And I am a Mormon. If that doesn't qualify me to fit into your skewed and corrupt definition of "Christian", so be it.

    January 26, 2012 at 1:54 am |
  4. buckaroobanzai

    why would God ask Lucifer to bow down and worship Adam? What was Adam's relation to God?

    January 26, 2012 at 1:45 am |
  5. buckaroobanzai

    Jesus is the son of God..
    in the Koran it talks about the war in heaven when lucifer refuses to bow down and worship Gods creation Adam.... Lucifer says, why should I bow down and worship the human being Adam that is made out of clay... I was made of fire first and refuse to bow down and worship your creation.. Lucifer is then cast out of heaven. "

    January 26, 2012 at 1:41 am |
  6. Dangerous

    Be vigilant, study scripture, know that Mormons are NOT Christians, not even a denomination of Christianity, but a different religion to a completely different god(s) of their own making.

    SO LONG AS MORMONS CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE BY AFFIRMING MORE THAN ONE GOD THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPING THE ONE GOD WHOME CHRISTIANS WORSHIP AND SERVE.

    It is not anti-Mormon argumentation that excludes the LDS from the Christian faith, but their OWN disbelief of the biblical teaching about Jesus. The Scriptures grant the right to be called "Christian" to all who receive Jesus (John 1:12) as the eternal (not just pre-existent) Word who was continuously and personally with the one true God (v. 1) and was the one true God (v. 1) who became flesh (v. 14).

    January 26, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • pappakapp

      If Jesus and God are two separate people, who the F was Jesus praying to all the time? Tim Tebow?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:10 am |
    • Kev

      "And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to whaqt source they may look to for a remision of their sins". (Book of Mormon; 2 Nephi 25:26)

      January 26, 2012 at 1:38 am |
    • Kev

      "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent". (John 17:3 KJV)

      January 26, 2012 at 1:42 am |
    • Destine

      No one can convince me ( a methodist converted to Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) that I'm not a Christian. My love for the Lord, my Savior Jesus Christ is personal, religion isn't a key to the acceptance of mankind or voters, but personal, Mr Romney has that right. Let God decide, not man... whose religion is worthy. Let God decide how He will communicate, and how he reveals His Word.Only men and the narrow minded have limited His writings and dictated how He will communicate to mankind.There is much bigotry and little love of our fellow beings in the responses I have read. Christ has the answer for your anger, and your judgement.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:44 am |
    • Dangerous

      Historically, such a notion has been considered blasphemous by Christians. Never have Christians taught that mankind has the capacity to become ontologically like God. As God Himself said through the prophet Isaiah, “Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me” (Isaiah 43:10).

      January 26, 2012 at 2:48 am |
  7. Reality

    Bottom line: Mormonism is a business/employment cult using a taxing i.e. ti-thing "religion" as a front and charitable donations and volunteer work to advertise said business.

    Tis a great business model i.e. charge your Mormon employees/stock holders a fee/t-ithe and invest in ranches, insurance companies, canneries, gaudy temples, a great choir and mission-matured BYU football and basketball teams.

    And all going back to one of the great cons of all times i.e. the Moroni revelations to Joseph Smith analogous to mythical Gabriel's revelations to the hallucinating Mohammed !!!

    January 25, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Kev

      Church members have always known and even done business and used services in those enterprises the LDS church has invested in, so is that a front? Also, doesn't any church who receives funds use them to construct church buildings?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • Kev

      If the LDS Church was in it for the money, why aren't its ministers paid ministers? Why aren't they just living it up?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • Reality

      As noted previously:

      "Another puzzling aspect of Mormonism is that there is no accounting to the membership of church funds. They are never informed as to the amount of the "modest living allowance" given to their top leaders. In the Wall Street Journal, Nov. 9, 1983, the salary given to a Seventy (second tier of LDS General Authorities, lower than an Apostle) was reported to be $40,000. Obviously, with inflation this salary would be much higher today. If housing is factored in (as in the case of the president of the church) the salary would be quite substantial. When George P. Lee, former Seventy, was terminated in 1989, the LDS Church immediately confiscated his church credit card (Salt Lake Tribune, Sept. 10, 1989). We are left to wonder about what other benefits go with "full-time Church service." For more information on LDS wealth see Mormon America: The Power and the Promise, by Richard and Joan Ostling."

      The president is also supplied with a home. According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Aug. 27, 1994, p. E1, the president of the LDS Church lives in a "downtown condominium, the official residence of church presidents." In the Salt Lake Tribune, Dec. 8, 1988, we read "The $1.2 million condominium at 40 N. State that is home to the president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will be exempt from property taxes, Salt Lake County commissioners ruled Tuesday."

      And high-living Romney and Huntsman? How is their income generated? Investment in Mormon companies or companies who do business with the Mormon empire? And does the Mormon ti-the empire own shares of companies controlled by Romney and/or Huntsman?

      January 26, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • ......

      Reality? not worth your time hit report abuse on all reality bull sh it

      January 26, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Reality

      And some previous high-living members of the Mormon hiearchy:

      e.g. http://207.224.220.202/excerpts/hier2.htm

      "The Quorum of Twelve's president Ezra Taft Benson was a director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co. Apostle Howard W. Hunter was president of the Polynesian Cultural Center (Hawaii), and director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co., of Continental Western Life Insurance Co., of Deseret Federal Savings and Loan, of First Security Bank of Utah, of First Security Corp., of Heber J. Grant & Co., of PHA Life Insurance Co. (Oregon), of Watson Land Co. (Los Angeles), and of Western American Life Insurance Co. Apostle Thomas S. Monson was president and chairman of the board of Deseret News Publishing Co., vice-president of LDS Social Services and of Newspaper Agency Corp, and director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co., of Commercial Security Bank, of Commercial Security Bankcorporation, of Continental Western Life Insurance Co. (Iowa), of Deseret Management Corp., of IHC Hospitals, Inc., of Mountain States Telephone and Telegraph Co., of Murdock Travel, of PHA Life Insurance Co. (Oregon), of Pioneer Memorial Theater, and of Western American Life Insurance Co. Apostle Boyd K. Packer was chairman of the board of Utah Home Fire Insurance Co., while also director of Murdock Travel and of Zion's First National Bank. Apostle Marvin J. Ashton was president of Deseret Book Co., chairman of the board of ZCMI, and director of Beneficial Development Co., of First Security Bank of Utah, of First Security Corporation, of Laie Resorts (Hawaii), and of Zion's Securities Corporation. Apostle L. Tom Perry was director of American Stores Co. (which operated Skaggs Drugs and Alpha Beta supermarkets), of ZCMI, of Zion's First National Bank, and of Jewel Companies, Inc. (Chicago), and trustee of LDS Social Services and of Nauvoo Restoration. Apostle David B. Haight was director of Bonneville International Corporation, of Deseret Management Corporation, of First Security Bank of Utah, of First Security Corporation, and of Valtek, Inc., while also a trustee of Deseret Management Corporation Foundation. Apostle James E. Faust was vice-president of Deseret News Publishing Co., director of Commercial Security Bank, and of Commercial Security Bank Corporation, while also a trustee of Ballet West and of LDS Social Services. Apostle Neal A. Maxwell was director of Mountain Fuel Resources, Inc., of Mountain Fuel Supply Co., and of Deseret News Publishing Co. Apostle Russell M. Nelson was director of Zion's First National Bank. Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was chairman of the Public Broadcasting System (national), while also director of O.C. Tanner Jewelry Co. and of Union Pacific Railroad."

      January 26, 2012 at 8:39 am |
  8. Dangerous

    WHY MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was birthed back in the 1800s by an alleged vision in which two celestial personages appeared to Joseph Smith and claimed that all existing churches were wrong, that all their creeds were an abomination and that all their professors were corrupt. According to this vision Smith was chosen to restore – not reform – a church that, in his view, had disappeared from the face of the earth.

    The Mormon doctrines that evolved from this vision compromise, confuse, they contradict the nature of God, the authority of Scripture and the way of salvation. In fact, while Christians believe that they're going to stand before God dressed in the spotless robes of Christ's righteousness, Mormons contend that they're going to appear before heavenly Father dressed in fig leaf aprons holding good works in their hands. According to the Latter-Day Saints just about everybody qualifies for heaven. The world's vilest people will make it into what's called the telestial heaven; lukewarm Mormons, religious people, they're typically going to enter a terrestrial heaven, and temple Mormons are going to make it to a celestial heaven. Only those who are sealed in secret temple rituals will make it to the third level of the celestial kingdom and then become gods of their own planets. This is in clear contradiction to the Holy Bible.

    These and many other doctrinal perversions are why any Christian of sound mind and doctrine excludes Mormonism from rightly being called Christian.

    January 25, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Dear Dangerous, It is the Protestants and Catholics who have changed the true doctrine. A good example is the Nicene creed. The Nicene Creed is nowhere in the Bible. It was totally fabricated by Constantine and his council of pagans, Capadocians, Nicenes, Gnostics, Arians, Apolinarians, Greek mystics and others who had an agenda. Constantine didn't know any doctrine. He just wanted peace in his empire from all the factions who were fighting over doctrine. He just settled for the first thing that the majority could agree with. The sad thing is that there were probably people there who knew the truth, but couldn't prevail over all the other factions – doctrine by committee! Paul would not have approved of the mess christianity is in. He said, "5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Ephesians 4) Obviously, there can not be more than one true church or more than one true doctrine. The question is, which one? We invite all to visit mormon.org for the answer. Christ taught the true doctrine of the Godhead when he suffered himself to be baptized by John. In Luke 3:21,22 we read, "21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
      22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."

      This is the true doctrine of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which was taught by the Bible – that the Father and Son are two separate beings and which Joseph Smith, the prophet, was able to comprehend better than all the false teachers were able to for 2000 years. I invite you to come to the truth that Jesus Christ restored through his prophet, Joseph Smith. You can get more information on mormon.org.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
    • gene1o

      how many mormons does it take to change a light bulb? dad can do it alone, but it will have to wait till family home night.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Dangerous

      ..

      January 26, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • The Phist

      Dangerous is correct in that mormons aren't christians. But that's about as far as it goes. Religion altogether is worthless. Especially christianity.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • Dangerous

      Abinadi,,,,

      So, you are denying the Trinity, and that the Father,Son,Holy Spirit being ONE. At least you are honest about it. However, The first plank of the Trinitarian platform is that there is only ONE God (NOT many planets with many gods). The Bible could not be more explicit on this point, which it states explicitly about two dozen times. In Isaiah 44:8 God says that even He does not know of any other gods!

      January 26, 2012 at 12:39 am |
    • Dangerous

      Also Abinabi...

      The Holy Spirit is God
      The Old Testament refers often to the Holy Spirit as God at work in the world, without distinction from the Father. But Jesus in John 14 to 16 explained that this Holy Spirit would be sent by the Father at Christ's request. The Holy Spirit would teach and guide the disciples, not speaking on His own initiative, but speaking on Christ's behalf and glorifying Christ. Thus, the Holy Spirit is revealed by Christ to be a third person distinct from the Father and distinct from the Son.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:41 am |
    • Dangerous

      Also Abindabi,

      Jesus is God
      First, is John 1: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (v.1). Here Jesus not only is in existence before the world began but is differentiated from the Father and explicitly called God, indicating that he shares the same nature as his Father.

      Furthermore, Colossians 1 informs us that “all things were created by him” (v. 16); he is “before all things” (v. 17); and “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him” (v. 19). Only deity has the prerogative of creation, preexists all things, and personifies the full essence and nature of God.

      Finally, Hebrews 1 overtly tells us that according to God the Father himself—Jesus is God: “But about the Son he [the Father] says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (v. 8). Not only is the entirety of Hebrews 1 devoted to demonstrating the absolute deity of Jesus, but in verses 10–12 the inspired writer quotes a passage in Psalm 102 referring to Yahweh and directly applies it to Christ. In doing so, the Scripture specifically declares Jesus ontologically equal with Israel’s God.

      Many similar texts could be adduced. For example, in Revelation 1 the Lord God says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty” (v. 8). In the last chapter of Revelation, Jesus applies these self-same words— “Alpha and Omega”—to himself! Additionally, in 2 Peter 1 Jesus is referred to as “our God and Savior Jesus Christ” (v. 1). In these passages and a host of others, the Bible explicitly claims that Jesus is God.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:48 am |
    • Dangerous

      Abindai,

      Regarding the CREEDS...
      They are, by the way, the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, the Athanasian Creed, and the Creed of Chalcedon. These creeds were written with very specific purposes in mind. First and foremost, they were written to refute heresies that had arisen in the church. For example, the NICENE CREED was written to counteract the dangerous Arian heresy. This heresy denied the full and unqualified deity of Christ. Secondly, the creeds also provide a very positive affirmation of what we as Christians hold in common. The Athanasian Creed, for example, affirms the truth of the Trinity, Christ’s Incarnation, Ascension, second coming, and the final judgment.

      THE CREEDS vs. Scripture Abinadi, this is important as well, and serves as a quick note of caution: Although the creeds summarize biblical truth, they were written by imperfect men, and thus they are subject to the last court of appeals, that is, the canon of Scripture. Creeds are valuable because they summarize biblical truth, but unlike the Bible, they are not inspired. To know them is fantastic, but not mandatory — to know Scripture, however, is a divine imperative.

      January 26, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • Dangerous

      Abinadi,

      The doctrine that Jesus Christ is one person with two natures — one truly divine and the other truly human — is a more coherent account of the biblical data than a Mormon formulation in which he is not essentially God. Similarly, the doctrine that God is one in essence and subsists in three persons — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — is more coherent with the teaching on the oneness and threeness of God than a committee of two separate flesh-and-bone gods. (Although Mormons argue that to be persons the first two needed flesh-and-bone bodies, the third "personage" in this triumvirate, the Holy Ghost, is not flesh and bone.)

      New concepts are added to Scripture, not by the creeds of Nicea and Chalcedon, but by Joseph Smith's doctrine of a flesh-and-bone God (see, for example, Doctrine and Covenants 130:22). Is one young man's interpretation (JOE SMITH) of a poorly substantiated vision a reliable base on which to challenge the Bible's consistent refutation of polytheism and support of one God who is spirit? If God's eternal being includes a flesh-and-bone body, Solomon could not have said, "The heaven, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!" (1 Kings 8:27). The eternal Word added a human nature (made up of a human body and spirit) for purposes of incarnation and redemption in space and time; but remained truly divine. The body is the material aspect of His human nature, the divine nature forever remains spirit. SO LONG AS MORMONS CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE BY AFFIRMING MORE THAN ONE GOD THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPING THE ONE GOD WHOME CHRISTIANS WORSHIP AND SERVE.

      It is not anti-Mormon argumentation that excludes the LDS from the Christian faith, Abinabi, but their OWN disbelief of the biblical teaching about Jesus. The Scriptures grant the right to be called "Christian" to all who receive Jesus (John 1:12) as the eternal (not just pre-existent) Word who was continuously and personally with the one true God (v. 1) and was the one true God (v. 1) who became flesh (v. 14).

      January 26, 2012 at 1:03 am |
    • pappakapp

      My religion is awesomer than your religion. I have all the truth so I am going to super duper attic land, and you believe all the lies so you are going to the cellar of fire. And my Christ knows how to party, so we are going to have a SAWEEEET time while you are sweating your sins out. What a bunch of rubbish.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:08 am |
    • Dangerous

      Pappakap,

      Many staunch athiests over the years have had the same anger you have, but after digging deep, they found what their soul was longing for. Let me ask you a question. When was the last time you did something with ALL YOUR HEART, all your being??? Jeremiah 29:13 says that if you search for Him with ALL YOUR heart, He will allow your eyes to be opened.

      Just as he has done for the likes of C.S. Lewis, or even Lee Strobel who set out to disprove the Bible through intense research and use of his law degree, traveling the world talking to scholars, etc... (His book...THE CASE FOR CHRIST)

      Bible also says that it will seem like "foolishness" to those who do not know the Lord, or don't seek him on a personal level. That's why you see so many comments of confusion and hatred in discussions like this. It's much easier to bash Christianity vs. dig deep and disprove it. While Mormonism has almost too many errors and false claims to count, the Bible has been consistent and is considered one of the most historically accurate books available to man kind. Jesus was either a LUNATIC, LIAR, or he is what he actually claimed to be... LORD.

      Only you can reach that point. No one can argue into faith, as that is not faith at all. Peace...

      January 26, 2012 at 1:48 am |
    • Kev

      In Isaiah 44:8 God says that even He does not know of any other gods. You realize the context of that chapter in comparing the God of Israel to the graven images the locals were into worshiping, that God didn't recognize these graven images as gods. Latter-Day Saints never claimed that those graven images were gods. "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High". (Psalm 82:6)

      January 26, 2012 at 2:05 am |
    • Kev

      Have you heard of working as a team, where the team works as one. Just because the mission of the Holy Ghost is to testify of the Father and of Christ doesn't mean that the Holy Ghost is not an independent being.

      "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

      And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:16-17 KJV)

      January 26, 2012 at 2:15 am |
    • Dangerous

      Kev,

      Ps 82:6 has long since been manipulated by LDS to make the "gods" claim. the term “gods” in this passage is used in a figurative sense to refer to Israelite judges, who were called “gods” by virtue of their position as judges, representing God. Therefore, this passage cannot be taken to mean that men are gods in the literal sense. Furthermore, it would only be relevant for judges of Israel, and no other persons.

      Positive confession teachers also argue that since believers are called the sons of god and because like begets like, we must somehow have the same nature as God. Two points need to be made here. First, as Rom. 8:23 clearly reveals, we do not share God’s nature, since Christians are simply “adopted” — and not “natural” — sons of God. Second, when speaking about the sonship of believers the New Testament is referring to the fact that Christians have entered into a relationship with God as their Father: Christian conversion, then, involves being renewed into the moral likeness of God, rather than being transformed into a god. This is precisely the meaning behind 2 Peter 1:4, which speaks of believers partaking of the divine nature (cf. verses 5-11).

      January 26, 2012 at 2:26 am |
    • Kev

      When it comes to John 1 there is no disagreement regarding Jesus' divinity prior to the Earth's creation. That has long been taught among Latter-Day Saints; that Jesus did have an important role in creating all things following the plan of his Father.

      There is also no disagreement regarding the divinity of Christ being the Alpha and Omega, and there is no dissagreement about Christ being Yahveh or Jehovah of the Old Testament. Latter-Day Saints also believe that God the Father was refered to as Elohim in the Old Testament.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Dangerous

      Kev,

      To minimize and call the Trinity "working as a team"... almost doesn't deserve an intellectual response, but alas....

      Ok, I tried to post 3 times with countless scriptures to support, but it will not post. What's up with that? Is CNN in the tank with LDS and their billion$? Scary...

      January 26, 2012 at 2:39 am |
    • Kev

      Regarding the CREEDS...
      They are, by the way, the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, the Athanasian Creed, and the Creed of Chalcedon. These creeds were written with very specific purposes in mind. First and foremost, they were written to refute heresies that had arisen in the church. For example, the NICENE CREED was written to counteract the dangerous Arian heresy. This heresy denied the full and unqualified deity of Christ. Secondly, the creeds also provide a very positive affirmation of what we as Christians hold in common. The Athanasian Creed, for example, affirms the truth of the Trinity, Christ’s Incarnation, Ascension, second coming, and the final judgment.

      The problem with all of those creeds, even with the Apostles Creed is that none of the Apostles ever signed off on them. None of them were actually called of God. They took it upon themselves since the Apostles were no longer around, and apparently the apostles were still needed since there arose so many contentions between the various congrations and congregational leaders.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:42 am |
    • Dangerous

      Historically, such a notion has been considered extremely blasphemous by Christians. Never have Christians taught that mankind has the capacity to become ontologically like God. As God Himself said through the prophet Isaiah, “Before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me” (Isaiah 43:10).

      January 26, 2012 at 2:49 am |
    • Kev

      There is also no disagreement about God being a spirit. Latter-Day Saints do believe that we all are spirits who inhabit a mortal physical body, so God the Father and his son Jesus Christ are spirits who currently inhabit immortal and perfect physical bodies. There is no account that Jesus ever got rid of his resurected physical body after his ascension, and even though Jesus currently has a physical body, Latter-Day Saints believe that he did not receive a physical body until his birth, which means that Jesus as Yahveh in the Old Testament was a spirit.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:56 am |
    • Kev

      "Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect". (Matthew 5:48 KJV)

      January 26, 2012 at 3:00 am |
    • Kev

      "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are". (John 17:11 KJV)

      January 26, 2012 at 3:06 am |
    • SPA Knight

      Abinadi, the Church came before the bible therefore you cannot use scripture to disprove traditional teachings by the church. This is circular logic. The Nicene Creed came out of the First Council of Bishops in Nicea called to convene by Constantine in order to establish greater unity throughout Christiandom. This creed settled the debate about the divinity of Christ and did not create a new teaching. Thoughout the history of the church there have been heretics and false prophets that have risen up, gained following and caused believers to question or practice their faith in error. By calling these councils, bishops representing all regions of the church across the world are able to convene and clarify various teachings that then can return and correct within their areas of jurisdiction.

      January 27, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  9. George

    ReligionIs4Dolts

    Right. Everything is moral if it doesn't hurt anyone else. So I guess we should get rid of all the laws against doing drugs in your own home, against fo.rnication, etc.? What you suggest is no morality at all.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • Brad

      Hello George. Keep fighting the good fight.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • The Phist

      George isn't able to fight. He makes claims and then vanishes.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      This the same George who believes in absolute morals but is willing to vote for America's hottest fornicator Newt Gingrich?

      January 25, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Ogre

      @George is a fighter all right - just like Red Skelton's punch-drunk, Cauliflower McPugg 🙂

      January 25, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
  10. Abinadi

    We Can Find Happiness
    We often fall into the trap of thinking a new car, job promotion, beauty makeover, or fame will make us happy. And often they do—for a time. But it never lasts because wealth, power, beauty, and fame simply don’t bring lasting happiness, as much as we wish they would.

    True Happiness

    True happiness comes from following Christ’s example and developing Christlike attributes such as obedience, goodness, honesty, grat itude, humility, love, charity, and forgiveness. It comes from serving others and helping them to follow Jesus Christ. It comes from controlling the appet ites of our human bodies and following the promptings of the Spirit. It comes from working hard and having a healthy lifestyle, friends, family, and personal achievements.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Regardless of what you do or don’t have in this life, your deepest, most lasting happiness will come from knowing God’s plan and following it. One ancient prophet put it this way:

      “I would desire that ye should consider on the blessed and happy state of those that keep the commandments of God. For behold, they are blessed in all things, both temporal and spiritual; and if they hold out faithful to the end they are received into heaven, that thereby they may dwell with God in a state of never-ending happiness.”
      (Pasted from the lds.org website)

      January 25, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
  11. Eddie A. Borejon

    Thank you Abinadi for bringing truth into the light. It is said that true christian will be judge by their fruits. Those who are now reading each articles, please observe the wordings they used and judge for yourself, who really is the non Christian I believe that Jesus Christ main doctrine and teaching is summarize in two great commandments as follows: Love God above all and Love your neighbor as yourself. Be a person of reasons can a good judge make a righteous judgement without looking first the evidences presented by the accuser and the evidences presented by the defendant. Christ invitation to those who want to know the truth is " come and see " so if you want to know the truth come and see for yourself.

    January 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Abinadi

      You know, Atheism is not healthy, none of the protestant churches could possibly be the true church because they all apostatized from the Catholic church and can claim no authority (Isn't that why we call them protestants?) Christ founded his church on priesthood authority. Hebrews 5 says, " 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
      5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee." Aaron was ordained to the priesthood by Moses, the prophet, and Moses received the priesthood from his father in law, Jethro. John 15:16 says: "16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit," Christ never intended that minsters and pastors run helter skelter preaching whatever they please and taking priesthood authority "unto themselves". He intended that his church be run by revelation administered by a prophet. Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the organization of the original church and is administered by a prophet of God. It is the only church today that is administered by verifiable priesthood authority with most churches not even bothering with authority at all!

      January 25, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
    • Brad

      Hello Abinadi – I'm a proud apostate of 15 years-standing, a trinitarian and one who confesses the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds. But first and foremost, I believe in the risen Christ and acknowledge him as my Lord and Saviour. It is my hope that we, you and I and Eddie and many others, will meet after the last day.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Hey, Brad, how're you doing? Yes, we will meet at the last day. I have absolute confidence in that. You are a good person and I appreciate your comments.

      January 25, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      Abinati,
      "Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the organization of the original church and is administered by a prophet of God. It is the only church today that is administered by verifiable priesthood authority with most churches not even bothering with authority at all!"

      With this comment are you saying that the Church of Latter Day Saints have the authority but the Catholic Chuch no longer does? The Cartholic Church is apostolic which means that Christ ordained Peter as it's first bishop (pope) and handed on from there. Jesus was not a prophet like Joseph Smith but the son of God and God himself. I respect mormons greatly but your post is misleading and inaccurate from a church history perspective.

      January 27, 2012 at 11:52 am |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Even a Mormon can repent of Mormonism
    And receive the True Jesus as savior
    And become a Christian
    Through prayer
    Prayer changes things

    January 25, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Thank-you, Atheism is not healthy, for your very generous invitation. I bring you wonderful tidings! The "marvelous work and wonder" predicted by Isaiah is here! God has again raised a prophet to the inhabitants of the earth! Amos 3 says, " 7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." The Bible is consistent. Jesus Christ is the "chief cornerstone" of his church. That means that he, himself, is the leader of his church and reveals his will through his prophet. There has always been a prophet on the earth when he has had a covenant people.
      Ephesians 2 says, "19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;" 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"
      Jesus never intended that his saints (Christ's covenant people) be left without his personal direction, "14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" (Ephesians 14).
      We don't denegrate in any way the great reformers. They prepared the way for the true gospel to be restored, just like John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus Christ,and we honor them. But, they have done their work and their followers must give way to the higher truth. There is a living prophet on the earth today and twelve apostles! You can read their words on lds.org or mormon.org. The gospel is restored!

      January 25, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Dangerous

      true... mormons can indeed repent

      January 25, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
  13. glenda

    Oral Roberts son was arrested last night for DWI. He'll pay his fine with money from Oral Roberts University. Let's hear it for the Christians, yet Mormons are the ones called hypocrites.

    January 25, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Howdy

      Mormons aren't called hypocrites. Rather, 1 in 4 Americans simply do not trust them nor would they vote for them according the recent gallop poll. Some very strange, non-Biblical, beliefs. Not just the Holy Underwear, multiple gods, joe the molester, Jesus wasn't born in Bethleham, stuff either...

      January 25, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • The Phist

      I don't think it's right to vote for anyone with religious beliefs. Religious beliefs are irrational, christians, catholics, mormons, muslims, scientologists, etc. All the same.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:00 pm |
  14. doused

    ***The Book of Mormon: NOT Another Testament***

    Open the Book of Mormon and the very first words that you will encounter are the following:

    “The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fullness of the everlasting gospel.”

    The Book of Mormon goes on to say that it is the record of two great civilizations. One came from Jerusalem in 600 BC, whom afterwards separated into two nations known as the Nephites and the Lamanites. The other great civilization is known as the Jaredites. After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principle ancestors of the American Indians.

    The last survivor of the war between the Nephites and the Lamanites was a military commander named Moroni. Following his death and resurrection, Moroni appeared to the prophet Joseph Smith and instructed him relative to the ancient record and its destined translation into the English language. That very day, September 21, 1823, Moroni told Joseph Smith the location of golden plates that were inscribed in “reformed Egyptian” hieroglyphics. He had abridged these plates allegedly with the help of his father Mormon.

    Smith not only secured the golden plates, but along with the plates, a pair of magical eyeglasses. And with the eyeglasses, he translated the “fullness of the everlasting gospel.” Upon the culmination of this, the most miraculous a feat, Smith said, “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than any other book.”

    Here’s the problem, there is no archeological evidence for a language such as “reformed Egyptian” hieroglyphics. There is no archeological evidence for lands such as the land of Moron, which is described in Ether 7:6 of the Book of Mormon. There is no archeological evidence to buttress the notion that the Jaredites, Nephites, and Lamanites migrated from Israel to the Americas. Indeed, archeology and anthropology demonstrate conclusively that the people, places, and particulars chronicled in the Book of Mormon are little more than the product of Joseph Smith’s fertile imagination.

    What about the Bible? What if through anthropology and archeology there was demonstrable, conclusive evidence that the Bible is not the Word of God, that like the Book of Mormon it is replete with mythology? If that were to happen it would be an absolute game changer, because, like Mormonism, Christianity would lose all its credibility. But exactly the opposite has happened. With virtually every turn of the archeologist’s spade, there is more and more evidence that the particulars, the people, the places, the details, the descriptions found in the Bible are in fact painstakingly accurate, meticulous, and true.

    In an age in which the Mormon Church is attempting to pass itself off as mainstream, Christians must learn to recognize the counterfeit gospel of Mormonism by recognizing the Mormon mirage for just that. It is crucial that Christians are equipped to scale the Mormon language barrier and use Mormon doctrinal deviations to effectively communicate the everlasting Gospel of the historic Christian faith. And we say it’s “historic” because it’s rooted in history and evidence. Mormons need to know the truth.

    January 25, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Rob

      Uh...christians should first learn to recognize the counterfeit book known as The New Testament; which includes only 4 gospels that the early church leaders felt conveyed THEIR idea of christianity. All religion is an ignorant failure; religion is made up by men and doesn't convey God's message. God doesn't want us to be ignorant little children in fear of him.

      January 25, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • doused

      Rob, sounds like you are an athiest, and also you fail to back up your assertions. The Bible says that the ENTIRE BIBLE is inspired by God, not just the OT. How convenient to eliminate the NT because it doesn't fit with Mormon Doctrine (which, continues to change to fit the times, such as the Mormon hatred of black people. God's word never changes). You honestly believe that a "johnny come lately" religion founded recently here in the U.S. by a child molestor, somehow debunks 2,000 yr old scriptures that have passed the authenticity of Canon processes? It's really quite blasphemous, if you think about it. Not just because of the holy underwear either....

      January 25, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • The Phist

      The entire bible is a farce. If you were to actually read the new testament and jesus' quotes, you'd know that it was BS.

      January 25, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • Howdy

      The pHist, please do read Jesus' words. They have changed the heart of the most hardened men over the years. he can change yours as well. 🙂

      January 25, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
    • The Phist

      Thanks for the laugh. I have read his words. You can tell jesus does have a sense of humor when he promises his followers at the time that he'll return before they died. The joke was on them. And all of the people that think he meant something else. That jesus sure was a jokester.

      January 25, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • Howdy

      Phist, please give specific scripture reference before mocking the Son of God.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • The Phist

      He wasn't the son of god.

      But I have more than one scripture.

      "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." –Mark 9:1 (KJV)

      "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom." –Matthew 16:28 (KJV)

      January 25, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • The Phist

      And Howdy, please provide evidence that he was the son of god before making such a claim.

      Thanks.

      January 25, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
  15. yahmez the mad

    All religions are fraudulent. Mormons and Scientologists are just more obvious about it.

    January 25, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • doused

      athiest?

      January 25, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
  16. Abinadi

    MICROSOFT FOUNDER, NFL OWNER, PAUL ALLEN, SPEAKS OUT ON MORMONS

    Paul Allen is the owner of the Seattle Seahawks, the ones who played the

    Pittsburgh Steelers for the Super Bowl a few years ago. He is also the owner

    of the Portland Trail Blazers NBA basketball team and is co-partner with

    Bill Gates in Microsoft. He wrote this editorial in the Santa Clarita,

    California newspaper:

    I have heard and seen enough! I have lived in the West all my life. I have

    worked around them. They have worked for me and I for them. When I was young

    I dated their daughters. When I got married they came to my wedding. Now

    that I have daughters of my own, some of their boys have dated my daughters.

    I would be privileged if one of them were to be my son-in-law.

    I'm talking about the Mormons.

    They are some of the most honest, hardworking people I have ever known. They

    are spiritual, probably more than most other so-called religious people I

    have encountered. They study the Bible and teach from it as much as any

    Christian church ever has. They serve their religion without pay in every

    conceivable capacity. Not one of their leaders, teachers, counselors,

    Bishops or music directors receive one dime for the hours of labor they put

    in.

    The Mormons have a non-paid ministry – a fact that is not generally known. I

    have heard many times from the pulpits of others how evil and non-Christian

    they are and that they will not go to heaven. I decided recently to attend

    one of their services near my home to see for myself.

    What a surprise!

    January 25, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Abinadi

      What I heard and saw was just the opposite from what the religious ministers

      of the day were telling me. I found a very simple service with no fanfare. I

      found a people with a great sense of humor and a well-balanced spiritual

      side. There was no loud music. Just a simple service, with the members

      themselves giving the several short sermons.

      They urge their youth to be morally clean and live a good life. They teach

      the gospel of Christ, as they understand it. The name of their church is

      The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. Does that sound like a

      non-Christian church to you? I asked them many questions about what they

      teach and why. I got answers that in most cases were from the New Testament.

      Their ideas and doctrines did not seem too far fetched for my understanding.

      When I read their "Book of Mormon" I was also very surprised to find just

      the opposite from what I had been told I would find.

      January 25, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Then I went to another church's pastor to ask him some of the same questions

      about doctrine. To my surprise, when he found out that I was in some way

      investigating the Mormons, he became hostile. He referred to them as a

      non-Christian cult. I received what sounded to me like evil propaganda

      against those people. He stated bluntly that they were not Christian and

      that they did not fit into the Christian mold. He also told me that they don

      t really believe the Bible. He gave me a pile of anti-Mormon literature. He

      began to rant that the Mormons were not telling me the truth about what they

      stand for. He didn't want to hear anything good about them. At first I was

      surprised and then again, I wasn't. I began to wonder.

      January 25, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • The Phist

      Not reading any of this cult propaganda garbage.

      January 25, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Abinadi

      You never see them on TV begging for money.. What cult do you know that

      instills in its members to obey the law, pay their taxes, serve in the

      military if asked and be a good Christian by living high moral standards?

      Did you know that hundreds of thousands of Mormon youth get up before high

      school starts in the morning to attend a religious training class? They have

      basketball and softball leagues and supervised youth dances every month.

      They are recruited by the FBI, the State Department and every police

      department in the country, because they are Trustworthy. They are taught not

      to drink nor take drugs. They are in the Secret Service – those who protect

      the President. They serve in high leadership positions from both parties in

      Congress and in the US Senate, and have been governors of several states

      other than Utah. They serve with distinction and honor.

      If you have Mormons living near, you will probably find them to be your best

      friends and neighbors. They are Christians who try to live what they preach.

      They are not perfect and they are the first to admit this. I have known some

      of them who could not live their religion, just like many of us. The

      rhetoric which is spread around against them is nothing more than evil

      propaganda founded in untruths. (Others) had successfully demonized them to

      the point that the general public has no idea what they actually believe and

      teach. If you really want to know the truth, go see for yourself. You also

      will be surprised.

      January 25, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • myname

      ThePhist,

      Yep, Paul Allen is spouting out religious propaganda. First you, then the world! *evil laugh*

      Seriously though, I can't tell if you're serious or not.

      *double facepalm*

      January 25, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
  17. Reality

    Only for the "newbies":

    More on t-ithing and the Mormon Empire:

    Don't want to pay your 10%? Incur the wrath of the prophet with a t-ithe settlement meeting!!!!

    From: lds-mormon.com/time.shtml (Time Magazine review)

    "The first divergence between Mormon economics and that of other denominations is the t-ithe. Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations. Very few, however, impose a compulsory 10% income tax on their members. Ti-thes are collected locally, with much of the money pas-sed on informally to local lay leaders at Sunday services. "By Monday," says Elbert Peck, editor of Sunstone, an independent Mormon magazine, the church authorities in Salt Lake City "know every cent that's been collected and have made sure the money is deposited in banks." There is a lot to deposit. Last year $5.2 billion in t-ithes flowed into Salt Lake City, $4.9 billion of which came from American Mormons."
    "The Mormons are stewards of a different str-ipe. Their charitable spending and temple building are prodi-gious. But where other churches spend most of what they receive in a given year, the Latter-day Saints employ vast amounts of money in investments that TIME estimates to be at least $6 billion strong. Even more unusual, most of this money is not in bonds or stock in other peoples' companies but is invested directly in church-owned, for-profit concerns, the largest of which are in agribusiness, media, insurance, travel and real estate. Deseret Management Corp., the company through which the church holds almost all its commercial as-sets, is one of the largest owners of farm and ranchland in the country, including 49 for-profit parcels in addition to the Deseret Ranch. Besides the Bonneville International chain and Beneficial Life, the church owns a 52% holding in ZCMI, Utah's largest department-store chain.

    All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church's nont-ithe income from its investments exceeds $600 million. "

    "Members of the church celebrate the Lord's Supper with water rather than wine or gra-pe juice. They believe their President is a prophet who receives new revelations from God. These can supplant older revelations, as in the case of the church's historically most controversial doctrine: Smith himself received God's sanctioning of pol-ygamy in 1831, but 49 years later, the church's President announced its recision. Similarly, an explicit policy barring black men from holding even the lowest church offices was overturned by a new revelation in 1978, opening the way to huge missionary activity in Africa and Brazil. "

    January 25, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • ......

      hit report abuse on all reality repeat garbage

      January 25, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Abinadi

      Unreality, We love the Lord and are happy to contribute to his kingdom. There are no paid clergy or ministers in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We serve each other and the Lord out of Love. Mormon bishops do not charge for their service, not even for weddings or blessings or anything. We do not sell the Lord's gospel for money. Mormon missionaries are motivated by love and concern for others. In fact, many of them pay for their missions with their college funds and by selling cars and possessions. They give up girl friends, family, and lucrative sports and entertainment contracts to serve people they don't even know and who are often unpleasant and unkind. These are the hallmarks of the true church, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

      January 25, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • The Phist

      Abinadi, I just glanced over Reality's post. Perhaps you can point out where he said clergy are paid. You failed to address anything in his post, really. Nice skate. Classic. Predictable even. Just like a mormon to evade and escape.

      January 25, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Reality

      "Another puzzling aspect of Mormonism is that there is no accounting to the membership of church funds. They are never informed as to the amount of the "modest living allowance" given to their top leaders. In the Wall Street Journal, Nov. 9, 1983, the salary given to a Seventy (second tier of LDS General Authorities, lower than an Apostle) was reported to be $40,000. Obviously, with inflation this salary would be much higher today. If housing is factored in (as in the case of the president of the church) the salary would be quite substantial. When George P. Lee, former Seventy, was terminated in 1989, the LDS Church immediately confiscated his church credit card (Salt Lake Tribune, Sept. 10, 1989). We are left to wonder about what other benefits go with "full-time Church service." For more information on LDS wealth see Mormon America: The Power and the Promise, by Richard and Joan Ostling."

      The president is also supplied with a home. According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Aug. 27, 1994, p. E1, the president of the LDS Church lives in a "downtown condominium, the official residence of church presidents." In the Salt Lake Tribune, Dec. 8, 1988, we read "The $1.2 million condominium at 40 N. State that is home to the president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will be exempt from property taxes, Salt Lake County commissioners ruled Tuesday."

      January 25, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
  18. The Lord and Savior

    Dear stupid mormons,

    You aren't real Christians.

    Amen.

    January 25, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
  19. 2 Miles South of the Mormon Death Star

    This article is right on, even down to the criticism. Ten percent to get into the Temple via "Temple Recommends" which you can only go into heaven if you paid to get papers for it. Sounds totally legit, golden plates and fraud charges and all right?

    January 25, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • CoCoDol52

      According to JEREMIAH 10 the only Savior and Redeemer YHWH the Creator in Isaiah 49v26 says that these so called mormons are frauds, they and their doctrines are vanities and the men who claim them are fools. Jeremiah 10. YHWH says in Isaiah 43v3,11 and in 43v13 no man can be delivered from out of His hands and in Isaiah 40v18 YHWH says who will you try to equal Him to? Isaiah 40. And the only Son and Firstborn that YHWH has ever mentioned in the book of life the OT is in Exodus 4v22,23 and it is ISRAEL his chosen people, there cannot be two firstborn sons. The NT (not true) is full of lies people the book of life the book of remembrance in the OT left to us from our Creator YHWH the truth from Genesis – Malachi named by YHWH in Malachi 3v16 is our life is our Truth. There is no mention of jesus in the OT the book of life no where nothing. The mormons are fools liars.

      January 25, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
  20. adrian

    Will Mitt Romney a devout mormon- give ten percent of the nations wealth to the church if he is elected?

    January 25, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • yahmez the mad

      If he gives 10% of the nations debt to the Mormons, that would be a good thing. Tax the churches!

      January 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • VanHagar

      @yahmez...as a believer (Christian–but for purposes of this discussion, its irrelevant) my initial response is don't tax the churches. Upon further reflection, however, I don't see it necessarily as a bad thing–so long as it is consistent with how other business are taxed. In other words–all of the deductions available to a business–salary and benefits for staff, certain operating costs and obviously charitable giving. My church has a budget voted on by the congregation. In the 17 years I've been at my church, I would be surprised to find anything other than a small surplus (maybe a few thousand) at the end of the year, held to capture any necessary emergency campus repairs, etc. We wouldn't really pay any taxes as a result. And, more the point, we would have any taxable income because the church as using it for its intended purpose–not to invest in money making schemes, but to help the people around us.

      January 25, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • Anonymous

      Do you understand that what the article said? 10% of personal income, which necessarily does not include the nation's income...the nation's income is not the President's income.

      January 25, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
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