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January 26th, 2012
01:22 PM ET

Suspected 'honor killings' shock Canada

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Canada • Islam • Violence

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  1. Starr

    This is only being called an 'honor killing' because it involves Muslims. Had this involved any other religion or race, it wouldn't have been labeled like that. Sure, he may have not liked what his daughters were doing...but where in the Quran does it say to kill your children for being 'westernized?' Why doesn't he look at himself and realize he simply was a bad parent? Why not look at this violence and say it was the result of a poorly built household, lack of trust, greed, and lack of love?

    Oh, I know why. Because Islam has to be the 'bad guy'...He was a bad father and this was MURDER.

    January 26, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • hadenough

      Starr – It doesn't matter if he was Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or F'n Hippie. The fact is he Killed his daughter. That in itself is the story. But feel free to blame those western blue jeans. Levi was such a jew... Put hat where hate belongs.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • DeeNYC

      If he wasn't a muslim then he wouldn't have killed his daughters and his SECOND wife for being westernized.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • sumwunn

      Starr – Ummm ... dude it is being called an honor killing because that is why the family did it. To restore the honor that they believed the victims had tarnished and to prevent them from dishonoring their family further. No one is picking on Islam or Muslims here. It is simply being called like it is.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
  2. christophorm

    well read the Quran..it's written by a wacko pedophile camel rider, who molested a 9 year old child and then married the poor child...He told his followers to kill the unbelieveing and jews whjre they are found...The Quran itself is a terrrorist.

    January 26, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  3. Will

    Atheists are cowards, they are all for killing innocent babies.

    January 26, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      Will, you are incorrect. Athiests kill with honor, and only GUILTY babies.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Ironicus

      CS, you're not helping...

      January 26, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      I am cracking myself up though.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • One one

      Atheists don't tell believer's children that an all powerful god will send them to hell to be tortured forever if they don't follow their beliefs.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • Dog food manufacturer

      @Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      "I am cracking myself up though."

      Judging by your post this statement isin't anything to brag about

      January 26, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • michaelwg

      To be fair, that baby was eyeballing me.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
  4. Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

    So, Mr. Homicidal Maniac is it?

    Let’s see now, you bring your family to the West, they matriculate accordingly, so you kill them.

    Oh, you are a Muslim! Sorry sir, no problem. Please move along.

    Next in line please!

    January 26, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  5. Kace

    religion rears its ugly head once again

    January 26, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  6. AtheistSteve

    What's this? A news story coming out of Canada and captain america isn't losing his mind and cursing CNN for bringing such anti-patriotic foreign garbage to this blog? Oh the delicious irony...

    January 26, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • No Gods, No Masters

      Patriotism is the lipstick, nationalism is the pig.

      January 26, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
  7. Anatomically Bombed

    "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. - Deuteronomy 21:18-21

    So why aren't more of you Christians following the bible and killing your disrespectfull children as it says you should?

    January 26, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • believer

      God sent His son, Jesus so we as believers/followers of Him are not under the old system of the law but by His grace and mercy and His blood shed for each of us are forgiven once we repent, and surrender to His spirit and no longer live our old life but the new life that He has given us. We don't have to kill our children, we are to love them and realize that each one of them is a gift from God who created us. God Bless you.

      January 26, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • YeahrRght

      "We don't have to kill our children, we are to love them and realize that each one of them is a gift from God who created us. God Bless you."

      Your Jesus even said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophet" so you should be stoning your children for talking back to you.

      January 26, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • DeeNYC

      There's lot's of crazy stuff in the bible, but only a muslim actually carries out the insanity found in the koran and kill their own children.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • michaelwg

      Remember Christians, Jesus was the Fulfillment of the Law. and God is a "rock" never changing, so if you want to go all old testament on your kids, i'm sure the courts will respect your religious rights.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      believer
      Ah, aren't the 10 Commandments part of the "old law"? Also, keep the anti-gay stuff, but drop the bit about eating lobster also being an abomination. Christians like cherry picking what parts to keep, don't they?

      January 27, 2012 at 1:35 am |
  8. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    January 26, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Doesn't your church teach that you can go to hell for lying?

      January 27, 2012 at 12:42 am |
  9. AGuest9

    Western culture is evil??????

    January 26, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
  10. AGuest9

    Another poster on Facebook said it right: "The stupid is spreading north."

    January 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
  11. bobcat

    These "honor killings" are nothing new in america or anywhere else. Just ask Alexander Hamilton how he died. Heck, in the old days is was a spectacle to watch offended parties male or female draw blood over disputes.

    January 26, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • bobcat

      *Canada* sorry force of habit (sig)

      January 26, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      Yes, the fine old tradition of dueling over honor, sir! Of course, that was between men equally armed. These guys aren't exactly handing the women and children matching guns and saying "Take your best shot." Cowards! This is execution, and a completely different thing altogether. If you want better examples why not try the lynching of blacks for doing the dishonor of speaking to a white woman?

      January 27, 2012 at 1:44 am |
  12. Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

    Fun with Solipsism

    The Universe ceases to exist at the moment of your death. Likewise, the Universe springs into existence at the moment of comprehension. “Reality” is personal. It is not universal. What I believe, is true. What I perceive, is real.

    Therefore, there is an infinite number of realities (call them universes) both coming and going at all times for infinity. The reason physics breaks down as we get close to that frightening doom is because we realize at that point that WE are the God we seek. We create our reality only to destroy it and start again for all of eternity.

    Nothing can be proven beyond the existence of the self. No perception felt by the mind can be regarded as truly verifiable, and so its existence is not certain. Hence, nothing outside the mind of the observer can be rationally confirmed.

    Carry on all of you illusions. You complete me.

    January 26, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Bro you have the rantings of a complete lunatic! Glad I don't know you in real life, because your moral relativism would allow you to basically do whatever you want with the feelings of no remorse.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      A bead of water traces a path that is parallel to the way a river meanders which is parallel to the way a galaxy navigates through space and often collides with another galaxy, like a river collides with a stream or a drop of water collides with another to make a larger drop.

      This is the way of the Universe. This is the way of the IS. Beauty from chaos. Chaos from beauty.

      As she danced
      Each jewel on her gown flying outward
      Perhaps never to return
      Each shiny gem in a cloud of total darkness
      She danced and she sang
      Her gown twirling like a pinwheel faster and faster still
      Soon to become many
      And many to become light
      And that light to become trillions of sparkles
      Still she danced
      And now the swirls were as giants dancing
      And the dancing giants would collide in beautiful confusion
      And forever the spinning would last
      Unless it stopped.

      It is ok for us to take the next step.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • AGuest9

      @Central: Free will "would allow you to basically do whatever you want".

      January 26, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      @AGuest9
      Would you care to clarify? I have no idea what point you are trying to make, or if it just a comment. Sorry.

      January 26, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      My bad AGuest9. When I see something directed at the CS, I assume it is me. I forgot that person was stealing names this morning. I go by CS and Horse and sometimes Ungodly Discipline if I am in a foul mood!

      January 26, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • MJB

      Solipsism is the philosophical viewpoint that nothing can be proven beyond the existence of the self. > http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Solipsism

      Do you plan to copy everything from wiki or do you plan to actually state your own interpretations?
      Because if solipsism is ultimately true then you should be writing what you perceive and not be copying off what someone else has already said/written. After all even that website is nothing more than invited guest in your reality.
      So when someone decides to kick your as$ remind yourself that you're ultimately doing it to yourself.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Ironicus

      The first rule of tautology is the first rule of tautology!

      January 26, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      @MJB
      The following was copied and pasted from Wiki and is a DEFINITION, not an interpretation:

      Nothing can be proven beyond the existence of the self. No perception felt by the mind can be regarded as truly verifiable, and so its existence is not certain. Hence, nothing outside the mind of the observer can be rationally confirmed.

      The other 25 lines of my post are original and interpretive. Did you MISS that part? I stole my name from a cartoon....are you going to scold me for that too?

      You are a real dumb a.s.s. You should be thanking me that you learned something new today my child.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      Ironicus
      Would you be referrin' to Logic or Rhetoric then?

      (That woooosh you just heard was MJB looking up Tautology on Wikipedia to pretend like he knows what it means. Or maybe that is him coming to beat me up. Jeez, I feel like I am in High School again! Bullies on the Blogs!)

      January 26, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • DeeNYC

      Man I hate people in philosophy 101

      January 26, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      Me too Dee. Me too.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
  13. The Central Pootinizer, FlippyPoet, & SeavenHent

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhh
    ahhhhhhhhhhhh
    who wants to guess who i am? winner gets a free speech to the crowd of their choice 🙂

    You may have heard of me, my name is chrissy hitchers.

    January 26, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      I don't like to think, I'd rather consider myself all knowing.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • hippypoet

      Me too!

      January 26, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • heavensent

      Ohhhh I do, pick me pick me!!!

      January 26, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • DeeNYC

      Mohammads 9 year old wife?

      January 26, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Al

      DeeNYC
      How old do you think Mary was when God made her pregnant?

      January 29, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  14. The Central Pootinizer

    @Staring Horse, AKA Central Scrutzy

    Me thinks you kinda copied my name. You are a thief in the night!

    January 26, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      HS, you are so sad and obvious. Why not discuss the topic rather than act the fool?

      January 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • The Central Pootinizer

      Hahaha the fact that you think it's heavensent is hilarious. makes sense why you would think it was him, since he tried to accuse you of being tom the piper, but alas it is not! Shows that you both are fools though thinking you can guess who's handle is who.

      keep guessing 🙂

      January 26, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      A) HeavenSent is a woman
      B) Thanks anyway but I don't want to play. Carry on and have fun.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • The Central Pootinizer

      @staring horse

      A) You claimed something was so obvious and sad, yet you were wrong. What's that say about you?
      B) Awww poor baby doesn't want to play when he's wrong, that's what we call cowardice.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Ironicus

      herbie go die in a fire.

      January 26, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  15. David Johnson

    C. Hitchens, once observed: "Religion poisons everything". I miss Hitchens.

    Cheers!

    January 26, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      Amen to that.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Christopher Hitchens is bakin in the kitchens

      but im right here. Ya wanna meet up to grab a drink?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      CH, I wish I could. I wish there really were ghosts, that would be cool.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Charles Darwin

      Nah hitchy boy is here, I'm drinkins with him right now.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • great intellect my ass

      chris hitchens is baking all right, in incredible torment, the smart ass has met his match and then some

      January 26, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Observer

      Christopher Hitchens had himself waterboarded. I enjoy thinking about that. It's a shame, though. He was free to make it stop and lasted only a few seconds.

      January 26, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Hitchens is dead! What torment??? Are you making some lame reference to your imaginary "hell"?

      January 27, 2012 at 12:50 am |
  16. Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

    Where is Muneef when you need him? Muneef tell us about the Peace and Love of Islam again...please? So I can have nightmares.

    January 26, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom, why not write him under your handle instead of hiding behind this new one?

      Amen.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Al Venter

      Muneef has admitted to praying to Allah so that he wins the lottery. And he has admitted that he is not sure why Allah has not favored him yet.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Abortion, Honor killing what is the difference?

      so you can kill this little girl when she was in the womb? but you can't now because you can actually see a picture of her grown up?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      HS, I am not Tom Tom, I am The Central Scrutinizer. Sorry to dissappoint you. What wisdom do you have for us today genious?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      @Abortion, Honor killing what is the difference?
      Disregarding the fact that she would have been an undeveloped fetus in the womb and not yet a person.....yes that is correct. I think I already mentioned the abortion blog already came and went too. By the way. In case you were wondering.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
  17. Reality

    Islam and it laws give women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Ayaan Hirsi Ali in her autobiography, Infidel.

    "Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circ-umcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hirsi Ali escaped - and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."
    ref: Washington Post book review.

    some excerpts:

    p. 47 paperback issue:

    "Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly beaten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their screams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

    p.68:

    "The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had castes. The Untouchable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were untouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were touchable: we touched them see? but also horrifying to think of yourself as untouchable, desp-icable to the human race."

    p.309

    "Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were killed by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exaggerating."

    p. 347

    "The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Somalia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feudal mind-set based on tribal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hyprocricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

    January 26, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • ......

      hit report abuse on all reality garbage posts

      January 26, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • jacobson

      did you say aya hirsi? everything about her is a fraud.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Reality

      "Ayaan Hirsi Magan Ali ( pronunciation; Somali: Ayaan Xirsi Cali; Arabic: أيان حرسي علي‎ / ALA-LC: Ayān Ḥirsī ‘Alī; 13 November 1969) is a Somali-Dutch feminist and atheist activist, writer and politician who is known for her views as a prominent critic of Islam, as well as strongly opposing the practices of circu-mcision and female ge-nital cutting. Her screenplay for Theo van Gogh's movie Submission led to death threats, which resulted in the director's murder. She is the daughter of the Somali politician and op-po-sition leader Hirsi Magan Isse and is a founder of the women's rights organisation the AHA Foundation.[1]

      When she was eight, Hirsi Ali's family left Somalia for Saudi Arabia, then Ethiopia, and eventually settled in Kenya. She sought and obtained political as-ylum in the Netherlands in 1992, under circ-u-mstances that later became the centre of a political controversy. In 2003 she was elected a member of the House of Representatives (the lower house of the Dutch parliament), representing the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD). A political crisis surrounding the potential st-ri-pping of her Dutch citizenship led to her resignation from the parliament, and led indirectly to the fall of the second Balkenende cabinet[2][3] in 2006.

      In 2005, she was named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.[4] She has also received several awards including a free speech award from the Danish newspaper Jy-llands-Posten,[5] the Swedish Liberal Party's Democracy Prize,[6] and the Moral Courage Award for com-mitment to conflict resolution, ethics, and world citizenship.[7] In 2006 she published a memoir. The English translation in 2007 is ti-tled Infidel.[8] As of 2012 Hirsi Ali is a fellow at the American Enterprise Insti-tute, a conservative think tank, and lives in the United States.[9][10]"

      Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ayaan-hirsi-ali#ixzz1kb697Ldf

      January 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  18. Honor killings, Abortion what is the difference?

    Why is honor killing not acceptable while abortion is?

    January 26, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      Wrong blog. Abortion was a few days ago, sorry.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Billy Joelle

      You did not answer the question. Why is abortion ok while honor kiiling is not?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • What a lame apples-to-oranges fallacious question you have put forth

      Do you really need to be told the difference between a fetus and a full-grown woman?

      January 26, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Bill

      A life is a life whether it is in the womb or otherwise. If you have the right to kill the unborn in the womb, what logic and reasoning are you applying now to call honor killing wrong?

      January 26, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Franco Saudelli

      "Do you really need to be told the difference between a fetus and a full-grown woman?"

      Tell him.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      They don't think women should have a right to choose more than anything. They want to shove their religion down everyone's throats. The actual science of the subject is secondary or irrelevent to these people.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Bill

      If it is not life, then why abort it?

      January 26, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      Bill, I already debated this once. I am not going to do so now. It is off topic. Feel free to go read my posts on the blog a few days ago about abortion and you will know where I stand.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Leaping Lizard

      Why are Christians in America so opposed to abortion but so in favor of war and torture? Studies have found that the more religioous you are, the more you supported the wars, as well as torture. Let's hear the explanation for that one.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Craig

      There goes, atheists justify killings!

      January 26, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      In the vast majority of cases, the difference would be a central nervous system.

      January 26, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Bible Bob, Knight of Infallibillibabbity

      It's not just fetuses; it goes further than that. All the way back to the source. As St. Montius Pythonus reminds us, every sperm is sacred.

      MASTURBATION IS MURDER!!!

      January 26, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • AGuest9

      "A life is a life whether it is in the womb or otherwise."

      Don't be silly. S/he won't survive without the mother until at least 23 weeks of gestation. There is a BIG difference.

      January 26, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • AGuest9

      "MASTURBATION IS MURDER!!!" Don't laugh, that's what the church teaches. Of course, nothing is said about priests molesting young boys or getting young women pregnant.

      January 26, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Bill

      Yes, life cannot survive without the mother in the womb. A baby/child cannot survive on its own either without adult care.
      What is your point?Killing helpless little ones is ok?

      January 26, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      Bill, no. Just the ones we think might be Gay when they are born. Silly.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • AGuest9

      So, Bill, you classify a blob which has yet to form a brain as a "baby", too?

      January 27, 2012 at 12:47 am |
  19. J.W

    I dont like having to watch a video. Why cant they write an article to go with this?

    January 26, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      The Devil Worshipers made them do it JW!

      January 26, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  20. William Demuth

    Camel Jockeys are crazy SOB's.

    All in the name of some imaginary God.

    We are doomed.

    January 26, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      William my friend, these are some seriously sick fukers. Also further evidence that there is no God. I hope they take that prik and put him but t fuk prison for life. Death is too good for him. And torture is not legal.

      January 26, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
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