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January 26th, 2012
01:22 PM ET

Suspected 'honor killings' shock Canada

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Canada • Islam • Violence

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  1. muhammad

    there is honour in marrage also,just a thought.

    January 28, 2012 at 8:52 am |
  2. muhammad

    he does not represent islam well atleast to me,my opinion.

    January 28, 2012 at 8:31 am |
  3. muhammad

    I would blame the parents for not understanding islam correctly and teaching it correctly to their kids,my opinion is that the sharia does not say to kill your kids,you have to teach them,the prophet muhammad(p.b.u.h) never did this nor the sahaba(companion of the prophet) to kill your kids,the pagan arabs use to kill their kids,muslims DO not kill their kids.true islam was not present in the home,and he should marry the mature females here or afghanistan,thats their decision,and GOD know best.

    January 28, 2012 at 8:29 am |
  4. !!!!!*****GOD*****!!!!!

    Humans + Religion = CONTRADICTION

    Just believe in each other, love yourselves and others, and say 'hi' to me once in a while...and you will live a good life.

    January 28, 2012 at 6:31 am |
  5. ryan

    Just get rid of organized religion, everyone can still believe in god but privately no public shows of religion just be a good person.

    January 28, 2012 at 3:03 am |
  6. Atheist #1

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucVDpmFz-E&w=640&h=360]

    January 28, 2012 at 1:21 am |
  7. Muneef

    Find it wrong to kill their kids for acting as westerners since immigration to the west means accepting the western life style such of daughters becoming as who-res and sons becoming as gays...or both as drugs jun-kies...!! 
    Sorry no offense intended since those are protected rights as freedom of choice. The saying goes ( If you are in Rome do what the Romans do)...  ?

    Unless you tell me that the west being a multiculture means you can live according to your own culture...?well then you should allow parents to have firmer control over their kids before the issue can be developed into Honor Killings... 

    January 27, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
    • Reality

      One more time, how to easily solve the issue in Canada and Yemen and also globally:

      And from the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi)

      The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
      ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

      Are you ready?

      Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

      The First Five of the 77 Branches:

      "1. Belief in Allah"

      aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

      "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

      Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

      "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

      A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

      "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

      Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

      Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

      Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

      "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
      alone."
      Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

      Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

      Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

      Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

      January 27, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • Reality

      "SAN'A, Yemen — A 13-year-old Yemeni girl has died of injuries to her genitals four days after a family-arranged marriage, a human rights group said.

      The practice of marrying young girls is widespread in Yemen and has drawn the attention of international rights groups seeking to pressure the government to outlaw child marriages. Legislation that would make it illegal for those under the age of 17 to marry is in serious peril after strong opposition from some of Yemen's most influential Islamic leaders."

      January 27, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Reality

      From Forbes.com:

      In Syria, as elsewhere, many conservative Muslims–including women–see any creeping sympathy for ra-pe victims as the beginnings of westernization by stealth, the tip of the iceberg of feminism. In plenty of Muslim countries–Morroco, Yemen, Bangladesh–honor killings are often not punishable by law if they're deemed "justified," and not infrequently the ra-pist benefits from customary codes of mercy in place of the victim. This is especially true where a weak central state gives way to tribal law in remote regions or even in overcrowded and unpolicable urban areas. In some places the problem barely exists–in Iran,for example, and in Turkey outside of the Kurdish areas. But everywhere this central principle applies: tribalism equals Islamic conservativism equals bad news for women. "

      January 27, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • John23

      Why is it then that Muslim nations export so many illegal drugs?

      January 28, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • Muneef

      No country or religious one's are perfect when it comes to human rights...!

      Drugs are not exported but rather smuggled in...so you should ask who smuggles it in through all that tight security and how..!

      January 28, 2012 at 5:13 am |
    • A. Charles Beddoe

      Muneef,
      You are completely ignorant of the west. I suggest you learn some facts before showing you utter ignorance again.

      January 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • A. Charles Beddoe

      Muneef,
      You are completely ignorant of the west. I suggest you learn some facts before showing your utter ignorance again.

      January 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Muneef

      A

      I live in the MidEast and think of you as ignorant of the MidEast...so guess we are equal...!

      January 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  8. canadian

    i say stop letting these people with their radical beliefs into our country

    January 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      If you are truly Canadian, you are a poor representation of our country!! Stopping them from coming here only stands to cause problems for us as a whole and no offense, I have family in Ottawa-they'd attack Parliament Hill first and foremost...I'd like my family to stay safe.

      January 27, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Frank from TO

      canadian
      They know what will be tolerated in this country because it's explained during the immigration process. Anyone choosing to play by their own rules after getting citizenship doesn't have the right to claim religious or cultural rights to do so.

      January 27, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      In short - they are going to emigrate to Canada whether you and other Canadians like it or not and they are going to murder their daughters when it is part of their culture. if you think otherwise that makes you bad .. a fascist, a Nazi, a red neck, a Klukker, etc. (You would not wan to be any of those things would you? ) So just get used to a lot of aliens in your country who occasionally need to murder their kids.

      January 27, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Chico

      I wonder if the natives thought that of your people when you arrived

      January 27, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
  9. Naumadd

    Shocking only if you believe the world's nations are pure and genuine civilizations. They are not. They are instead a mixture of genuinely civilized human beings and those who have never opted into that set of values.

    January 27, 2012 at 2:25 am |
    • Al

      Yes, and here some of these people like to play soldier in the woods and call themselves a 'militia', while others like to play crusader by picketing gay pride marches and call themselves conservative Christians. Uncivilized behavior abounds.

      January 27, 2012 at 10:02 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Isn't a gay pride march a form of imposing one set of values upon the rest of the community? I do not see that as being a lot different than "soldier in the woods" or "Occupy" or PETA throwing paint on women. They are all a rude form of dominating others with what ever your pride thing might be.

      January 27, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Al

      RightTurnClyde
      A gay pride parade is no different than any of the other civil rights march that has occurred in this country. The people playing soldier in the woods are often plotting to physically injure those they consider their enemies. Some of the "occupy" movement, some PETA radicals, and even that nut job captain on Whale Wars also have 'enemies' that they are attacking. They also take chances with their actions that could get people hurt. My impression is that gay people are just looking for acceptance and, as far as I know, the only people hurt or killed as a result of a gay pride parade were gays and their supporters. Folks being open about their gayness may hurt your bigoted sensibilities, but it isn't a physical threat to you, now is it?

      "They are all a rude form of dominating others with what ever your pride thing might be"
      People use to see interracial couples holding hands in public as being 'rude' to their sensibilities too. Sadly, some folks still do, but there comes a time when you just have to accept that they are the ones with the problem.

      January 27, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • RightTurnClyde

      It does not make me bigoted because If have an opinion of my own that may be unlike yours. However calling me bigoted reveals your inclination to prejudge others. That tends to be the case with gay and other demonstrators and so under the banner of "peaceful demonstrations" cars get burned, police get attacked, windows broken and in some cases looting ... not that leads others to question just what the real objective might be but it does not make them bigoted (if they do not like violence and criminality).. it makes them cautious and somewhat offended.

      January 27, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Al

      RightTurnClyde
      Again, where do you see gays rioting in the streets, burning buildings and looting? I've searched the net and all I get is violence done to gay rights marchers. This sounds like some urban myth you've picked up from somewhere.

      January 28, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • Al

      RightTurnClyde
      I call those who are biased against gays bigoted in the same tradition as I call those biased against Asians, blacks, women and a host of other groups bigoted. If you are one of those people then consider yourself rightly labelled. Criticizing ideology is one thing, but criticizing someone for being gay is like criticizing them for being too tall.

      January 28, 2012 at 12:31 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      But what you obviously cannot understand is that being tall does not create license to do what is prohibited of the non-tall nor does it make the non-tall bigoted for expecting the tall to abide. The tall have not license merely because they are different nor do they become victims merely because they were born tall.

      January 28, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Al

      RightTurnClyde
      What's prohibited of straight people that gays want for themselves? Marriage? Openly expressing their love for one another? Children? You've lost me, buddy!

      January 28, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  10. Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

    That was a reply to Steve.

    January 27, 2012 at 1:28 am |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      That was a stupid horse who can't master the reply button.

      January 27, 2012 at 1:30 am |
  11. tensai13

    Four beautiful women murdered by their own close relatives in the name of Islam – I can't think of a more damning indictment of the insanity of religious delusion.

    January 27, 2012 at 1:27 am |
    • Art

      I would only add all the millions of other damning murders done to women and children for 1500 years. And all the other stuff too.

      January 27, 2012 at 4:18 am |
  12. RightTurnClyde

    Well .. look at it this way .. we are NOT all the same. Oh it's PC to say we are all just folks regardless of differences...but are we? How many Millions (perhaps billions) do NOT believe in the Anglo-American Common Law? Do not believe in inalienable rights or the Bill of Rights (which does not exist in Canada) How many billions do not believe in any kind of a trial (and do not even understand the presumption of innocence. I know many who can not understand double jeopardy ( you cannot be tried twice for the same crime). MOST OF THE WORLD (billions) do not share our concepts of individual rights and individual justice. They simply do not. How many U.S. citizens (H.S. grads even college grads .. do not understand it?? >50%) (too bad because it is disappearing). How many do give a hoot about the 4th of July, Thanksgiving, the Civil War (or any war for liberty) and do not care to learn. Our (very precious) freedoms are disappearing and rapidly for lack of anyone who cares.

    January 27, 2012 at 1:09 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Canada has it's own Charter of Rights and Freedoms. You can read it for yourself here and tell us how it compares.

      Every time I read about some judge who wants to put up the 10 Commandments in their court, or some mayor who wants to put a manger scene on city property I'm reminded just how much our (very precious) freedoms are disappearing. Luckily, some of us still care enough to try and stop this.

      January 27, 2012 at 1:28 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      I get it –in Canada freedom is a universal right - you have them (because you are special and deserve them) but judges and mayor do not because they are not deserving. (I think that is how the father of those three girls was thinking - his priorities were important and the girls had no rights because they were girls). Like I say - we are not all the same (and so in your view we do not all have the same rights). Got it

      January 27, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      RightTurnClyde
      "but judges and mayor do not because they are not deserving."
      Judges and mayors can put up whatever they like on their own private property, according to the accepted laws and bylaws that every property owner must comply with, but the cases in the news are about attempts to put up things in public property, right? It's all of our property, so what gives them the right to decorate according to their individual tastes? Even is a majority in the area all want it, there are laws preventing such displays, and what makes a mayor, or judge think that they are above the law?

      January 28, 2012 at 12:39 am |
  13. Reality

    Islam and it laws give women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as evidenced these "honor" killings.

    January 26, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • withoutgod

      Try reading the Bible, and you will find the exact same treatment of women there.

      January 27, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Reality

      Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye all Muslims, Christians and Jews:

      From a PowerPoint slide:

      SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
      THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11.

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
      THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      January 27, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • Dr.K

      @withoutgod

      Great point except this is 2012 not 12th century BC. Some religions have advanced other have not. Enjoy being an apologist for one of the most brutal existing religions in the modern world.

      January 27, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Dr.K

      Hear Ye all Atheists. How did everything start from nothing?

      January 27, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Reality

      Dr. K,

      Think infinity and recycling with the Big Bang expansion followed by the shrinking reversal called the Gib Gnab and recycling back to the Big Bang repeating the process on and on forever. Human life and Earth are simply a minute part of this chaotic, stochastic, expanding, shrinking process disappearing in five billion years with the burn out of the Sun and maybe returning in another five billion years with different life forms but still subject to the v-agaries of its local star.

      o "In the 1930s, theoretical physicists, most notably Albert Einstein, considered the possibility of a cyclic model for the universe as an (everlasting) alternative to the model of an expanding universe. However, work by Richard C. Tolman in 1934 showed that these early attempts failed because of the entropy problem: according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, entropy can only increase.[1] This implies that successive cycles grow longer and larger. Extrapolating back in time, cycles before the present one become shorter and smaller culminating again in a Big Bang and thus not replacing it. This puzzling situation remained for many decades until the early 21st century when the recently discovered dark energy component provided new hope for a consistent cyclic cosmology.[2] In 2011, a five-year survey of 200,000 galaxies and spanning 7 billion years of cosmic time confirmed that "dark energy is driving our universe apart at accelerating speeds."[3][4]

      One new cyclic model is a brane cosmology model of the creation of the universe, derived from the earlier ekpyrotic model. It was proposed in 2001 by Paul Steinhardt of Princeton University and Neil Turok of Cambridge University. The theory describes a universe exploding into existence not just once, but repeatedly over time.[5][6] The theory could potentially explain why a mysterious repulsive form of energy known as the "cosmological constant", and which is accelerating the expansion of the universe, is several orders of magnitude smaller than predicted by the standard Big Bang model."
      A different cyclic model relying on the notion of phantom energy was proposed in 2007 by Lauris Baum and Paul Frampton of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.[7]"

      What we do know: (from the fields of astrophysics, nuclear physics, geology and the history of religion)

      1. The Sun will burn out in 3-5 billion years so we have a time frame.

      2. Asteroids continue to circle us in the nearby asteroid belt.

      3. One wayward rock and it is all over in a blast of permanent winter.

      4. There are enough nuclear weapons to do the same job.

      5. Most contemporary NT exegetes do not believe in the Second Coming so apparently there is no concern about JC coming back on an asteroid or cloud of raptors/rapture.

      6. All stars will eventually extinguish as there is a limit to the amount of hydrogen in the universe. When this happens (100 trillion years?), the universe will go dark. If it does not collapse and recycle, the universe will end.

      7. Super, dormant volcanoes off the coast of Africa and under Yellowstone Park could explode catalytically at any time ending life on Earth.

      Bottom line: our apocalypse will start between now and 3-5 billion CE. The universe apocalypse, 100 trillion years?

      January 27, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Dr K.. you asked the question and a book has been written for you..Lawrence Krauss...A Universe from Nothing....he explains it for you.

      January 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "Some religions have advanced other have not."

      So your particular god is a moral relativist. Got it. That your morals have changed over the centuries is more proof that your religion is created by men.

      January 28, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  14. JoJo

    At times like this I do wish that Canada had the dealth penalty. This monster of a father and the rest of the family behind these brutal murders, if proven in court of course, don't deserve to live.

    January 26, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
  15. Anon

    The religion of "peace" strikes again.

    January 26, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      Remember the Inquisitions? The witch burnings? "Christian militias" the world over killing for Jesus? Bah. Christianity: THE peace religion. Yeah, right.

      January 26, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • Steve Wilkinson

      Boy was that ever carefully edited to leave that out though, huh? Imagine if it were connected to some other religion (oh, say, Christianity) how we'd hear all about that! Should I give CNN the benefit of the doubt that they just wanted to prevent a backlash?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Reality

      The nitty-gritty of terror and horror:

      The Twenty (or so) Worst Things People Have Done to Each Other:
      M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

      The Muslim Conquest of India

      "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Centuries……..(Religions/Groups involved)*

      1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

      2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

      3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

      4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

      5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

      6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

      7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

      8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

      9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

      10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

      11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

      12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

      13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

      14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

      15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

      16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

      17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Pagans)

      18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

      19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

      20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

      *:" Is religion responsible for more violent deaths than any other cause?

      A: No, of course not – unless you define religion so broadly as to be meaningless. Just take the four deadliest events of the 20th Century – Two World Wars, Red China and the Soviet Union – no religious motivation there, unless you consider every belief system to be a religion."

      Q: So, what you're saying is that religion has never killed anyone.

      A: Arrgh... You all-or-nothing people drive me crazy. There are many doc-umented examples where members of one religion try to exterminate the members of another religion. Causation is always complex, but if the only difference between two warring groups is religion, then that certainly sounds like a religious conflict to me. Is it the number one cause of mass homicide in human history? No. Of the 22 worst episodes of mass killing, maybe four were primarily religious. Is that a lot? Well, it's more than the number of wars fought over soccer, or s-ex (The Trojan and Sabine Wars don't even make the list.), but less than the number fought over land, money, glory or prestige.

      In my Index, I list 41 religious conflicts compared with 27 oppressions under "Communism", 24 under Colonialism, 2 under "Railroads" and 2 under "Scapegoats". Make of that what you will."

      January 26, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • ......

      avoid the nitty gritty bull sh it hit report abuse on every reality post

      January 27, 2012 at 6:20 am |
    • Dr.K

      So if someone did something in the name of relgion thousands of years ago we should excuse the same behavior today. Brilliant minds at work here.

      January 27, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Dr.K

      @ Reality

      Finally a well reasoned, balanced post backed up by facts. Good job!

      January 27, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
  16. angelromarus

    THIS IS SCIENCE:
    FETUS IS NOT A BABY (GOOGLE THE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT CHART), but a parasite because the classification of the biological relationship that is based on the behavior one organism (fetus) and how it relates to the woman’s body.

    as a zygote, it invaded the woman’s uterus using its TROPHOBLAST cells, hijacked her immune system by using NEUROKININ B and HCG— so her body doesn’t kill it, steals her nutrients to survive, and causes her harm or potential death.

    wikipedia org/wiki/Trophoblast

    “The placenta, It secretes Neurokinin B containing phosphocholine molecules. This is the same mechanism used by parasitic nematodes to avoid detection by the immune system of their host.[2]”
    wikipedia org/wiki/Immune_tolerance_in_pregnancy

    wikipedia org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

    “It is also possible for a symbiotic relationship to exist between two organisms of the same species.”
    answers com/topic/symbiosis — Gale’s Science of Everyday Things.

    just like a parasitic twin — wikipedia org/wiki/Parasitic_twin

    “an animal or plant that lives in or on another (the host) from which it obtains nourishment. The host does not benefit from the association and is often harmed by it”
    thefreedictionary com/parasite

    pregnancy CAUSES HARM: thelizlibrary org/liz/004 htm

    since a man can kill his tapeworm at anytime– so should a woman abort unwanted, human-parasitic fetus, too.

    January 26, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Steve Wilkinson

      Umm... he/she didn't 'invade' anything, but naturally belongs there. You might also want to check the definition of parasite again, as the organisms have to be of different species. re: stage – yes, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent, adult, elderly, etc ARE different stages of development... no one is debating that. But, just as a toddler isn't expendable because it is more dependent than an adolescent, a fetus isn't either. Easy test... just insert 'two year old' for 'fetus' when you're thinking about this issue. That you consider a baby to be a hostile pest is quite telling (ie: sick mind).

      January 26, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • Deborah Smith

      To Angelromarus: too bad your mother didn't consider you a parasite and gotten rid of you.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      There are hundreds of species of beneficial bacteria in each of our bodies which are certainly not 'human', but we depend upon them for our survival. angelromarus makes a point in that the body often rejects a fetus as a foreign body, and that a fetus is not actually a baby. You must agree with this if you are arguing the 'stages' of development.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Art

      What does this have to do with "honor killings" in Canada???

      January 27, 2012 at 4:19 am |
    • muhammad

      thanks parasite

      January 28, 2012 at 8:50 am |
  17. David

    Regardless of how it's dressed up, at the heart of each and every religion is this sentiment – that a parent devoted to god would rather see their child dead than to fall away from "the faith." This is the evil that religion has perpetrated on the human race, that no other species on earth is possessed of.

    January 26, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • Leonard

      Unless you are all-knowing of all religions, I'd say you've made quite the leap with that statement. My own personal faith is nothing close to your description.

      January 26, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • The Phist

      Well, jesus did say to put him first above your own family. That's right folks. A guy that may have never existed demands your love above your own family. I don't know about you, but I'm putting my family first. Imaginary beings do not get love.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn 'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law–a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.' Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me." Matthew 10:34-37

      Ummm... Aren't cult leaders usually guilty of doing the same thing?

      January 27, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • cys

      I haven't heard of any Christians killing children who strayed from their faith. Upset perhaps....but murder, no.

      Then again, wouldn't staunch atheists be equally disappointed if their children became devoutly religious? The late atheist activist Madalyn Murray O'Hair reportedly said of her son William after he became a Christian preacher and started a Christian ministry: "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."

      January 27, 2012 at 2:34 am |
    • Art

      Many children have been beaten to death for not following directions from their Christian parents.
      Millions of them have been murdered along with the women who "back-talked" or stepped "out of line" as regards their second-class roles as defined by most Christian bibles.
      They are considered "honor killings" for the "glory" of God since they were being punished under God's rules.
      Like murdering slaves who did not submit or follow all directions to the biblical letter.
      Like murdering anyone who spoke heresy of any sort, burning them at the stake, killing them in agony most foul because they did not follow "God's" laws of the bible.
      To say Christians have never done anything disgustingly heinous is to be a liar.

      January 27, 2012 at 4:25 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      cys

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrjX55KF3ZQ&w=640&h=360]

      January 27, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Dr.K

      You don't think followers of Stalin, Hitler or Mao wouldn't abandon their children for the sake of the state? It's not about religion but misuse of power. As Reality said you all or nothing people crack me up.

      January 27, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      DrK Religion is the biggest enabler of misuse of power there is..You can use religion to justify anything as the Catholics are doing, and the Muslims in this case are trying..

      January 27, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Find peace with God through prayer
    Pray without ceasing in 2012

    January 26, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Nope

      We've been praying you would stop posting this crap, yet it continues, proving prayer doesn't work.

      Oh, and how about all those prayers for world peace that go unanswered.

      Oh and then there's the prayers of starving people around the world whose prayers go unanswered, dying by the millions.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • just sayin

      Nope-a Dope

      January 26, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • The Phist

      Prayer results in honor killings.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • bringoutyourdead

      demon used flawed logic to discredit prayer prayer terrifies demon

      January 26, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • The Phist

      Prayer is flawed and isn't logical at all.

      January 26, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
    • bringoutyourdead

      demon thinks opinion = fact motivated by fear of prayer

      January 27, 2012 at 6:22 am |
  19. One one

    Religion makes people crazy.

    January 26, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • just sayin

      what is your excuse?

      January 27, 2012 at 6:23 am |
  20. Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

    Bill and Will

    Will and Bill

    He doesn’t like the abortion pill!

    He’s pro-life

    So take that knife

    And kill something else JUST KILL!

    What’ll it be, take it from me, Bill and Will don’t care!

    Kids in a war or a spider on the floor, cows and chickens and fauna

    Defenseless creatures by the millions, and all the little critters in my lawn-A……..

    Coral reef doesn’t matter to him or the fish or the mammals or the flora

    Hey kill a bear! He doesn’t care. But don’t kill a human fetus anymore-a

    January 26, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Will & Bill

      My life; your choice
      Your words; your voice
      They bring sharp knife
      Your choice; my life

      You lay; I fight
      You wrong; me right
      Total darkness; bright light
      Sharp pain; goodnight

      Not fair; can't cry
      I truthful; you lie
      I say love me; you say bye
      You live; I die

      Going to sleep; you're tore
      Me innocent; you unsure
      You fine; me sore
      Heartbeat no more

      J Belmain

      January 26, 2012 at 7:32 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      Exactly! Now you have it and a very nicely written poem too.

      Let’s not continue bickering over a women’s right to choose? Let’s help the impoverished men, women and children of this world. Babies with no food to eat, no clean water to drink. Disease and malnutrition taking their lives before they have a chance to live to the age of 5.

      Let’s help the countries and communities devastated by natural disasters all over the world. Families who have lost everything who need food and health care.
      Let’s save the living ocean from our constant contamination and the great forests and wild lands of the world from our oil drilling and tree slashing.

      All of these living things that are alive and needing our help right now need our attention.
      Let’s mind our own business when it comes to abortion, unless the abortion affects you personally. Then it is a personal choice for the pregnant woman.

      Instead we can save lives all over the world and work towards preserving the environment for future generation of flora and fauna, including people. But if there were no people, clearly that would be a much better scenario for the 2 million known animals, the other many millions of undiscovered creatures and the plant life that sustains us all.

      January 26, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • Bill

      Then why don't you mind your own business when it comes to honor killing?

      January 26, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Stick Out

      Bill,
      I don't consider a woman's right to choose my business.

      When someone kills 4 family members (or anybody) but in this case family members, 3 of them his own young daughters and one his wife, I take notice. Actually you are correct. It is not my business, never said it was. But I do hope the police nail the perp to the wall if he is found guilty of the crime. This all seems pretty simple Bill. Do you have the flu or something?

      January 26, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Steve Wilkinson

      A woman has a 'right to choose' many things, but not whether to kill another human being.

      January 26, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      Steve
      Just for argument's sake, if someone needed a kidney and you were the only person who could donate one, do you feel that you have the right to refuse? Sure, it's as risky as pregnancy, but saving a human life trumps that, right? Why don't the right to life people march for mandatory blood, tissue and organ donation then?

      January 26, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • Staring Horse with Tongue Sticking Out

      When it comes to my body, or anyone else's body, they can decide for themselves. I don't think you are required.

      January 27, 2012 at 1:25 am |
    • Rick

      Be proactive; don't roll in the hay unscrupulously and penalize the innocent by your thoughtless cowardly acts!

      January 27, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      Rick
      It's kinda hard to be proactive in avoiding an unwanted pregnancy due to ra.pe, inc.est, or even just when health concerns make carrying a fetus to maturity dangerous for a woman. I could suggest better contraception usage but, sadly, most pro-lifers want to forbid that as well. As in keeping with the theme of this story, religion has a very dim view of female independence.

      January 27, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Steve Wilkinson

      @ Oh Yeah – 1) Killing someone and sacrificing to save someone are VERY different things. 2) Medically, abortion is MORE RISKY than carrying a baby to term, and has some fairly big long-term health implications for the woman. 3) The factors you mention account for less than 5% of all abortions (and most pro-lifers aren't opposed to abortion when the mother's life is at risk... in that case it is a matter of one life or the other, best case, or both, worst case. Terrible decision, but then you do have to choose.) 4) I don't think most pro-lifers do want to forbid contraception (only some, usually R.C., do). 5) You might be right about religion in general, but MOST of the advancement of women's rights, world-wide, has been due to Christian ethics. Like it or not, that is simply a historical fact.

      February 3, 2012 at 1:10 am |
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