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January 27th, 2012
04:29 AM ET
Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Friday, January 27
By Dan Merica, CNN Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories. From the Blog: CNN: On call with conservatives, Romney speaks to Mormon beliefs  Alaska Airlines distributed prayer cards like these on flights for more than 30 years. CNN: Alaska Airlines ends prayer cards on flights CNN: Suspected ‘honor killings’ shock Canada Belief on TV: Tweet of the Day: From @OnFaith: Gingrich: If you're truly faithful, its not just on the weekends, "its inextricably tied with how you behave." Enlightening Reads: The Gospel Coalition: Sex, Marriage, and Fairytales Religion News Service: As missionary movement turns 200, questions for the future Huffington Post: Indiana Creationism Teaching Bill Moves Forward In State Senate The Christian Post: The Elephant Room: How 7 Pastors Came to Know Jesus Catholic News Service: Vatican downplays charges of financial ‘corruption’ Quote of the Day:
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it might be interesting at some point for soebomdy to investigate the shows in London Berlin and New York which are commented on here; to see whether each location has a common thread or aesthetic sensibility. Are they showing (in general terms) the same thing or does each city have a distinctive voice? London style Berlin style etc answers on a postcard
I’ll right away grab your rss as I can not find your e-mail subscription link or newsletter service. Do you have any? Kindly let me know so that I could subscribe. Thanks.
PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.
With a population of over 180 million most of whom are well educated, English speaking, entrepreneurial and a cultural and social fit with Central Asians...Pakistan will now become the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe. Pakistan will thus span this region and provide the impetus for growth, prosperity and unity among these countries. These are new and exciting times for Pakistanis who should now look forward to their new leadership role aligned with Central Asia and Europe rather than the Subcontinent. We wish them much success as they have sacrificed the most during the past 30 + years creating a new world order.
YOUR PATHETIC AND IM WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE TO KIND TO SAY
This one is for CA...to prove how seriously wrong you are about Canadian's (I love the USA but a point must be taken here...you have no clue as to what you speak of when you put our country down)
What we Canadians Have to be Proud of?
1. Smarties (not sold in the USA )
2. Crispy Crunch, Coffee Crisp (not sold in the USA )
3. The size of our footballs fields, one less down, and bigger balls.
4. Baseball is Canadian – 1st game June 4, 1838 – Ingersoll, ON
5. Lacrosse is Canadian
6. Hockey is Canadian
7. Basketball is Canadian
8. Apple pie is Canadian
9. Mr. Dress-up beats Mr. Rogers
10. Tim Hortons beats Dunkin' Donuts
11. Canada has the largest French population that never surrendered to Germany .
12. We have the largest English population that never Ever surrendered or withdrew during any war to anyone, anywhere. EVER!
(We got clobbered in the odd battle but prevailed in ALL the wars)
13. Our civil war was fought in a bar and lasted a little over an hour.
14. The only person who was arrested in our civil war was an American mercenary, he slept in and missed the whole thing
He showed up just in time to get caught.
15. A Canadian invented Standard Time.
16. The Hudsons Bay Company once owned over 10% of the earth's surface and is still around as the world's oldest company.
17. The average dog sled team can kill and devour a full grown human in under 3 minutes.
(That's more information than I need!)
18. We know what to do with the parts of a buffalo.
19. We don't marry our kin-folk....
20. We invented ski-doos, jet-skis, Velcro, zippers, insulin, penicillin and the telephone..
Also short wave radios which save countless lives each year.
21. We have ALL frozen our tongues to something metal and lived to tell about it.
22. A Canadian invented Superman.
23. We have coloured money.
24. Oil was first produced in Oil Springs, Ontario, Canada. Months before anywhere else in North America.
OOOoohhhhh..... Canada !!
Oh yeah... And our elections only take one day!
I would add to this list one more important distinction: You have an actual health care SYSTEM which seems to work rather well from what I hear. We in the US have no system....either you have health insurance or you don't. i.e. If you are employed you do (generally) if you are unemployed you don't. And Medicaid doesn't count because you must be indigent to qualify. Medicare kicks in at 65.
Nooooo! You forgot about Captain Kirk............LOL!!!!!!
Smarties? Those little candy things? We get those here. I don't know about Crispy Crunch. It sounds awfully familiar...
And Standard Time is your fault? I wouldn't spread that around if I were you...
ACTA: The new threat to the net
The Internet is a crucial tool for people around the world to exchange ideas and promote democracy. We urge you to show true global leadership and protect our rights.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/eu_save_the_internet/?tta
Prayer changes things
The joy of prayer
Is knowing God Prayer changes things
Ahhahhha! How funny.
@Tom Tom: Funny in the delusional sense...you have got to wonder who raises these dolts or maybe these dolts think that if they say it enough it will actually come true.
demons gather to laugh hiding their fear of prayer
Hate, bigotry, intolerance, and the suppression of common sense is dangerous to all those thing, NOT atheism my friend.
And where do we find these "traits?" Why, among evangelical Christians of course. Visit the website of the Westboro Baptist Church to see a real-world, real-time example of these fine human qualities.
Now you will say "Oh they do not represent true Christianity". Really? Prove it. Prove it by telling me why these disgusting people can read your same bible and justify there actions by it?
"Oh, they are a minority fringe." Maybe....But THEY are the ones we hear about....THEY are the ones making all the noise....making the headlines.
My point is this....ANY belief that can even spawn ONE group like this is dangerous...truly "not healthy for children and other living things".
Oh, by the way...you borrowed your handle from an anti-war profundity from the 1970's. You replaced the word "war" with "atheism." How clever.
Dr. Herbert Benson of Harvard Medical School and other scientists tested the effect of having three Christian groups pray for particular patients, starting the night before surgery and continuing for two weeks. The volunteers prayed for "a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications" for specific patients, for whom they were given the first name and first initial of the last name.
The patients, meanwhile, were split into three groups of about 600 apiece: those who knew they were being prayed for, those who were prayed for but only knew it was a possibility, and those who weren't prayed for but were told it was a possibility.
The researchers didn't ask patients or their families and friends to alter any plans they had for prayer, saying such a step would have been unethical and impractical. The study looked for any complications within 30 days of the surgery. Results showed no effect of prayer on complication-free recovery. But 59 percent of the patients who knew they were being prayed for developed a complication, versus 52 percent of those who were told it was just a possibility.
Oral Roberts grandson is gay. Maybe there is a god after all.
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What do you think of this? This really happened.
I you find yourself and your family in a in a foreign country when suddenly war brakes out. You know that you need to get your family safely out of the city and country. You and your wife pray about the matter, then you go to the city plaza to learn the safest way out. When you get to the the plaza you see an army officer, who you have never seen before, giving instructions to his troops. You don’t know what he is saying because you don’t speak his language, but you stop anyway. Then, without any apparent reason, the officer turns and looks straight at you and tells you in clear English to go home and pack your things and meet him and his troops at midnight and he will lead you safely out of the city. You go home and tell your wife what happened. Because you don’t have any modern vehicle you will be walking, so you pack only what you can carry. At midnight you hear the troops coming and you go out to meet them. The officer tells you to fall in at the head of his troops so you will be safe. You have one small child and your wife is with child. Soon you discover that you need to dispose of much of what you have brought because you can’t keep up with the troops. You walk all night with the troops. The next day some soldiers bring you a horse and a new cart so your wife and small child will not have to walk. You travel with the troops for three days to a safe place where you will be going a different direction. You go to find the officer to thank him for his services and guiding you to safety and learn to your amazement that the officer doesn’t even recognize you nor does he speak your language, he only speaks his national language which is Russian. Not mention that the officer shouldn’t have even be concerned with the safety of Americans.
This happened with some Christian missionaries in Pakistan.
got a link to that story? cheers 🙂
No, I don't have a link to the story because it was reported via other media.
You see God in that? That level of coincidence is pretty ordinary. We atheists get that stuff all the time, and your story fails to cover the many people who have bad outcomes, like this:
One day 5 years ago, a man walked into an Amish school with a 9mm handgun, mumbling fairly incoherently. He held 10 hostages, all girls ages 6-113. As he held them, the girls prayed repeatedly and fervently. Their prayers were eventually answered by a bullet in the head, with 5 killed and 5 injured.
Prayer works?
Allow me to give you a different interpretation...
Russian officer, who is likely going outside the bounds of what he was ordered to do: "Go pack your stuff. It's going to get bad here and you should get out while you can."
Missionary: "Yes, thank you."
After much travelling to somewhere else safe...
Missionary: "Where is that officer that helped us out of there?"
Officer's Superior: (in Russian) "This man says you helped him. Is that true?"
Officer: (in Russian) "Never saw him before in my life. Me must be mistaken."
@BO
Yes, sometimes you hear things that just cry out, "There is a god!"
I heard (No idea if it is true) of a family of five, that was involved in a head on collision with an 18 wheeler at 70 mph.
Everyone perished. The car was totally destroyed. The driver of the 18 wheeler lived, but was never "right" again. He keeps mumbling, "Oh, the humanity!"
BUT, THE PLASTIC STATUE OF JESUS WAS STILL MOUNTED ON THE DASH, TOTALLY UNHARMED!
Still gleaming, from the Armor All little Betty had lovingly applied, that fateful morning. Doing this, always made Betty feel closer to god. She could feel His pleasure.
I wonder if she noticed how good the statue looked, as she was catapulted through the windshield? One would hope.
It is miracles like this, that raise the hairs on the back of my neck.
I heard the church the family belonged to, decided to display the wreckage in the front of the church. They want the faithful to see the power of god, for themselves. A small spot light was installed to illuminate the little statue of Jesus, for night viewing.
Amen!
Just spreadin' the word
Anyone have any suggestions?
ehhh, i have the same problem, depends works for me
Clean up the mess and go on with life.
Bo, do you ever actually use your head for something other than a place to park a hat?
I have a question for today. Assume that all the gods that anyone has ever worshiped really do exist, and there was somehow proof that you would go to hell if you did not choose, which god/gods would you choose to follow and why? I assume that it would be mostly atheists that would answer this one, because I assume most believers would choose the one they already follow, but believers can answer as well if they would like.
now thats good one! i suppose i would follow the native american spirits – or perhaps shintoism... they are pretty much the same with everything having its very own spirit... i have always liked that. You say thanks to the tree for providing shelter and the rock for a seat, the deer for food and the river for water.. seems more real then any other "god" figure i can think of.
Nothing gets taken for granted and all have a place which is viewed as important as we are to ourselves. There was once a reverence for things not our own and even with the top three world religions, there is nothing higher then being human when in fact we are part of a greater circle that we pretend we aren't. (it helps us destory nature without care)
Becuase of my innate desire to rock and roll all night and party e-ver-y day, I would become clergy in the Church of Bacchus.
@Doc, why Bacckus and not Dionysus? Do you prefer roman over greek?
I like the Roman depiction of him as a drunken centaur better than the more austere Greek imagery...
Doc, as much as i love roman debauchery, i find the greeks to be more i speed – it was afterall the greeks who were called upon when a roman was sick. However they were also considered to be a lesser humans for there common lack of belief in gods...so its a win lose kinda thing.
I would have to say the pagan gods...very earthy and loving of our beautiful planet!
truth – pagan means not the christian god.... so you just picked every god but the god of the christians, muslims, and jews.... thats alot of gods!
pa·gan/ˈpāgən/Noun: A person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
Adjective: Of or relating to such people or beliefs: "a pagan god".
Synonyms: noun. infidel – gentile – idolater
adjective. heathenish – gentile – paganish – profane – infidel
The god of reason because at least it would make sense. All the other stuff is crap.
If I were to say one besides the Christian god, I have always found something interesting about the Hindu gods. I do like the idea of worshiping the gods of nature, I do kind of agree with what hippy and Truth say about some of those gods. It is kind of a spiritual feeling when you are outside of the city and can see nothing but nature, trees, lakes, mountains, etc.
Is there a god of reason? I did not know that.
@hippypoet...thank you 🙂
I'd believe in Charmin toilet paper, bc thats what i need right now 🙁
If my option wasn't the God of Abraham, I think I'd have to go with Aphrodite. That would be tons of fun.
@DamianKnight: You said, "If my option wasn't the God of Abraham, I think I'd have to go with Aphrodite. That would be tons of fun."
Just be aware of the increased importance in answering the "does my ass look fat in these pants" question correctly.
"Mistress, while your ass does not look fat in those pants, I have to ask, why are you wearing them at all? Come here and let your servant help you remove them..."
Man, I'm a lecherous troll.
@J.W
There are about 14 major religions in the world. Just for grins, let's say that one of these 14, is worshiping the one true god.
And let's assume each one of the 14 religions has a good place (Heaven?) and bad place (Hell?).
You have a 1 in 14 (7%) chance of choosing the correct god and going to the good place.
There is a 93% chance you will choose incorrectly and will suffer in a bad place.
There is always risk, to any choice.
Cheers!
Cheers!
@J.W
Good question. Thanks.
I would believe in the one that, eons ago, set this whole cycle of universes in motion and never bothered with it again. The one that just leaves it to random chance what universes develop and doesn't care whether life formed, and if it does, just lets it be.
I like the one that doesn't send floods and tornadoes and earthquakes. The one that doesn't condemn good people to hell for simply not believing in him. The one that doesn't encourage his followers to hate their fellow man for not believing the same as they do, or don't love the same as they do.
Not to worry LinCA, God has a fall back for those whose egos reject His spiritual truth. If you read the Bible, you'll find the answer.
Amen.
@HeavenSent
You said, "God has a fall back for those whose egos reject His spiritual truth. If you read the Bible, you'll find the answer."
Your book of fables and the figment of your imagination that you call your god provide no answers, nor hold they any truth.
Atheism = lemmings on the death march
HA HA HA ... if your "holy book" told you to go jump off that cliff you would, because your 'god' told you to. We'll sit back, have a beer, and watch the sheep fall to their death. Atheists would not go gently into that good night, we're going to ask "Why?" .. and when we are told 'god said so' .. we'll want to know HOW this 'god' told you.
@Mirosal I suppose if you could reference any suicidal acts such as jumping off a cliff in the Bible, you could back up your statement! Ah, but that would require research!
How about if God commanded you to sacrifice your child?
Dash infants heads against a rock?
Slay everything that lives in a given village?
@Doc Vestibute, That was the Old Testament. The New Testament applies to Christian lifestyle. Try again?
@V.R. same pathic god in both – moron!
Theists=delusional fairy tale believers
lemmings dont have to die. they can be given climbing skills, digging skills, float with an umbrella skills. If they truly desire, we can help them to the air balloon. but if they are truly happy where they stand, then let them stand.
V.R.
If you're ignoring the Old Testament entirely, then please don't cite your religion as a reason to discriminate against gay people.
@Doc Vestibule Please refer me to the comment I used to discriminate any lifestyle.
Greetings pot, have you met kettle?
Bo=a dolt who thinks "brakes" and "breaks" are the same thing.
@Bo
Believers = Non-Thinking sheep.
Your god is no more likely to exist than Santa Claus, fairies or talking snakes.
Or, do you have proof, that He does exist?
Just bein' curious
@David Johnson
You said, "Your god is no more likely to exist than Santa Claus, fairies or talking snakes."
Don't diss Santa. He is far more likely to exist than the christian god, or any god for that matter. Lumping him in with purely fictional characters is an insult to Mr. Claus.
For all you republitard supporters who happen to blame Obama for putting your country in debt...in the last 21 years by president and party the following list shows the percentage of debt increase:
Reagan (1981-1989...republitard) 189%
Bush Sr
Oops...
Bush Sr (1989-1993...republitard) 55%
Clinton (1993-2001...democrat) 37%
Bush Jr (2001-09....republitard) 115%
Obama (09-now...democrat) 16%
Now it's time to place the blame where it really belongs...on the republitards!!
you are way out of line belittling our political system where you cannot vote and your opinion is about as relevant as dog crap, we are not attacking your socialist commie qu eer bull crap in canada. Go pound salt. There's your sign
I do not see how Clinton is 37%. Wasn't there a surplus when he left office?
@CA: You didn't hear? I no longer live in Canada...I'm now in Nebraska...giving me as much right to speak as you have!!
@JW: It is what the debt ceiling increased by overall...next to Obama and outside of the Lewinsky crap, he was one of the best.
m'lady Truth .. CA doesn't know where that is on a map. He probably thinks it's in canada somewhere.
@CA: I really didn't move to the States...I wouldn't want my brain corrupted by the republitards (ie; you) but the point is that yes I do get a say!!! It is no more your business to tell ANYONE who gets a say in the USA. The USA affects everyone you freak of nature. You need to go back and get an education and stop stealing taglines from people. You continually use valuable oxygen that is meant for people with brains not people who are retarded like you!!! Those were only stats I posted to prove how pathetic the republitards are. Do you forget that 2 Canadian's work for CNN...so why are you not whining to CNN about allowing Canadian's to work for a USA company??? Or are you too braindead for that?? You're not capable of a rational thought so go back to the station that cares about your unwanted opinion-FOX news!!!
@Mirosal: I was just hoping they would have kept CA in the asylum a little longer...it has nothing useful to say EVER and still lives in accordance with a war that was not even Canada's fault. You know it is a pleasure to prove how moronic CA is...especially when CA can blame the war of 1812 on Canadian's when Canadian's didn't exist as such.
CA doesn't realize that American politics affects every corner of the globe. The world is watching these debates, and will be tuned in to the elections.
You are right m'lady .. that war actually started at sea in the Atlantic with British sailing ships. CA's sign is either "slow" or "dip ahead"
@Mirosal: After trying to get the waste of space off my back about my citizenship by slightly fabricating my locale, I decided that I have no reason to be worried...my opinion on matters pertaining to you country matter more than CA's...if anything CA's opinions make people look at your wonderful country and get upset. It is people like CA that destroy the reputation of the country...they're too ignorant and close-minded to see how foolish they are.
haha truth, now there's a name i can agree with, republitard.
Here's my problem. There are only TWO options for president. Two options!!! We get like 50 people for Miss America and at least three for American Idol, but only two for President of the United States! Heck, even Survivor narrows it down to the final three!
I dunno what CA's problem is. Canada is a lot of fun. Really nice people. And it's ALL about poutin!
i will continue to stand by the right opinion that no non citizen has the authority to undermine our political parties or country, screw up canada as much as you want but your opinion is lower than dog crap here. there's your sign
Well CA considering those stats are not my stats and come directly from your country, it is only you that has the issue...no other person from your country has an issue. Did you happen to notice the article about the Canadian people on trial for the honor killings posted on this American run site...I believe AtheistSteve actually mentioned you in his post on page 1 of that article? Did you happen to recall that 2 Canadian's work for CNN and are voicing their opinions every day about your country? You do not get an opinion any more...we have previously determined that you are a poor representation of a USA citizen....it is people like you that cause your country so much turmoil. Did you happen to notice that Doc Vestibule posted on here today also? You realize that he too is Canadian but he won't tolerate your delusions.
As Mirosal clearly pointed out to you, everyone hears about your countries presidential race. We invest money every day in to your country, so until your country stops putting businesses in to my country I will continue to voice my opinion!!
Prayer changes things
Again? You just haven't quite clued in to the fact that you have been proven by professionals with actual educations (not theological education-that's an oxymoron) that prayer does absolutely nothing, have you?? Stop wasting your time and do something productive or sign yourself back in to the asylum and ask them to treat you using electric shock therapy-it should help resolve your delusions. You still haven't provided one tiny piece of evidence proving what you say...care to make a try on that?
Demons will suck out your soul and choke on it because it's made of poop! Then we'll bury you in a matchbox!
Poop is stronger than prayers! Poop wins the day! Yay poop!
where demons gather you find the body
demons play with disease excrement and the dead and fear even the mention of prayer
I do not fear the mention of fear, I LAUGH in its face. Hey Mr. Bringout.. just answer ONE simple itty-bitty question ... is this 'god' of yours omniscient .. yes or no .. that's all you need to type.
typo .. I meant that I do not fear the mention of prayer
demon gets confused by fear when attacking the idea of prayer
Demons have already claimed his soul. They said it tasted like poop. Now he hears voices in his head. He will kill again.
Is that ALL you are capapble of saying ... lame stuff about demons? Any SANE person knows there are no such things. 'The Exorcist' was a fictional movie, NOT a docu'mentary. So, if I am a 'demon' .. what are you going to fight me with? A 20-sided die? lol
So funny to see someone talking about demons. Next will be the voices and then the murders. Blood will flow. Death will come.
To accuse someone of being a demon is to be possessed by a lying demon. Aha! Poop wins over prayer again!
See Mirosal, these dumb a$$es can't answer a simple question, so they throw the same boring, false rhetoric in your face...just proves how little evidence they actually have and how brainwashed they really are. I say we gather them all, put them on a deserted island without access to anything more than themselves...rid the world of the delusions once and for all...what a beautiful world it would be if that happened.
Trubs .. that's because, according to the popular childrens book, "Everybody Poops." .. but not everyone believes
ok so we rescue Gilligan, then put everyone on his little remote uncharted isle ... sounds like a plan to me!!
Prayer changed the slave trade. Reference John Newton or William Wilberforce. Prayer fed the hungry reference George Fredrick Muller. Prayer under girded the civil rights movement reference Martin Luther King Jr. Prayer was offered for the nation by many presidents, reference FDR. Prayer changed the weather reference George S Patton. Prayer has changed many lives reference the Billy Graham Evangelical Association.
@An Inconvenient Truth: That wasn't prayer you moron. People changed the slave trade as they evolved..it had nothing to do with prayer!! As for referencing Billy Graham, why reference someone who supports the delusions and brainwashing??? It doesn't work like that. Prayer didn't change the weather...ask Rick Perry who prayed for rain and instead got massive wild fires...or did you miss that one? Try using a valid reference, one backed by multiple sources all coming to the same conclusion...that is what makes a point valid, not just one person!! There is no valid evidence to support the fact that prayer does anything more than appease the person speaking the prayer....it is a placebo, nothing more!
It is interesting to me that the replies to this person's comment are not only irrelevant, but seem to be fascinated with human excrement. Yes @TheTruthPrevails, I am having a VERY hard time finding these so called "professionals with actual educations" you insist are somewhere on this forum post.
@V.R.: There is a study that was done by the Templeton Group back in 2006. The following is from the article:
"Way back in 2006, the John Templeton Foundation published the results of its study on prayer and its effect on people who were suffering from major heart conditions and undergoing heart surgery. The study was double-blind and used a control group. Two groups were chosen, one of which were prayed for and the other which was not, but neither were told which group they were in. A third group served as a control were prayed for and told this.
After 2.4 million dollars invested from the Templeton Foundation and 2.3 million invested from the federal government, here are the results:
More people (59%) in the control group suffered more complications than in the groups who did not know if they were being prayed for (51%).
18% of those in the uninformed prayer group suffered major complications (including heart attack) as compared to 13% in the group that did not receive prayers.
These results have precedent: the New York Times reports on a study done in 1997 studied 40 alcoholics in recovery. Those who were prayed for did worse than those who were not."
(http://lunchboxsw.wordpress.com/2009/09/02/templeton-prayer-study-fail/)
@VR: There are also numerous other proof's...such as parents praying for their ill children instead of getting them the proper medical attention and those children dying as a result. What proof outside of the buybull (the written and inspired word of man...no evidence of a god, therefore no evidence the book was inspired by said god), do you have that would convince anyone with a working functional brain that prayer works?
@TruthPrevails, This is a stump-the-Christian method. It's the same reasoning that would be used if someone were to ask you "Where does the President live? Prove it! Oh, and you can't say the White House because that would be 'circular thinking!.'" The Bible is the only proof I need. Prayer works because the Bible says it does and personally I believe it does as well. God isn't some service that does whatever you want because you pray about it. Come on, now.
"Prayer works because the Bible says it does and personally I believe it does as well. God isn't some service that does whatever you want because you pray about it."
That is circular!! You personally believing something does not make it true. In order for something to be validated as being true, it needs to be backed by studies and substantial evidence. Do you not care whether or not your belief is validated?
As for your White House Statement, there is sufficient evidence to make that fact true...there is no sufficient evidence to make prayer true. To say that if we say the white house means it is circular is wrong...we know for a fact that the president resides there and back that statement with physical evidence. You can't back prayer with anything physical.
@TruthPrevails, If I were to list the evidence that proves prayer is effective, people such as yourself would look at the signs of God himself and say "HOAX! EVOLUTION! TIME! CHANCE!"
@VR: Given that there is no evidence for god or the fact that prayer works, I would be left thinking you are a lying christard. Science prevails over religion any day. No-one wins this argument in the end...you'll never convince me and you're too far gone for me to convince you. As for evolution...at least there is physical evidence to back it...there is no physical evidence to support prayer or god!!
When the religiously insane are stopped, the human race can move forward. Not before.
Bo suggests that you will move forward as lemmings. They are cute.