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January 30th, 2012
01:30 PM ET

Islam doesn't justify 'honor murders,' experts insist

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Zainab Shafia's crime was to run off to marry a man her parents hated. Middle sister Sahar's crime was to wear revealing clothes and have secret boyfriends. Youngest sister Geeti's crime was to do badly in school and call social workers for help dealing with a family home in turmoil.

The punishment for all three teenage Canadian sisters was the same: death.

Their executioner: their brother, acting on instructions from the father to run their car off the road.

Another family member, their father's first wife in a polygamous marriage, was also killed.

Hamed Shafia, his father, Mohammed, and his mother, Tooba Mohammed Yahya, were sentenced to life in prison for murder, with Judge Robert Maranger excoriating their "twisted notion of honor, a notion of honor that is founded upon the domination and control of women, a sick notion of honor that has absolutely no place in any civilized society."

Leading Muslim thinkers wholeheartedly endorsed the Canadian judge's verdict, insisting that "honor murders" had no place and no support in Islam.

"There is nothing in the Quran that justifies honor killings. There is nothing that says you should kill for the honor of the family," said Taj Hargey, director of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford in England.

"This idea that 'somehow a girl has besmirched our honor and therefore the thing to do is kill her' is bizarre, and Muslims should stop using this defense," he said, arguing that the practice is cultural, not religious in origin.

"You cannot say this is what Islam approves of. You can say this is what their culture approves of," he said.

The Shafia family is originally from Afghanistan.

Experts say honor murders take place in many parts of the world.

"It's definitely a problem that happens in many different places: the Middle East, Pakistan, Bangladesh and among immigrant communities in North America," said Nadya Khalife, a researcher on women's rights in the Arab world for Human Rights Watch.

Several Arab countries and territories, including Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Yemen and the Palestinian territories, have laws providing lesser sentences for honor murders than for other murders, Human Rights Watch says.

Egypt and Jordan also have laws that have been interpreted to allow reduced sentences for honor crimes, the group says.

Reliable figures of the number of honor murders are hard to come by, Khalife said, but she pointed to a United Nations Population Fund estimate of 5,000 per year.

Khalife agreed that the practice should not be blamed on Islam.

"It's not linked to religion; it's more cultural," she said. "There have been several Islamic scholars who have issued fatwas against honor killing."

Mohammed Shafia, who denied murder, said himself in court that Islam did not justify honor murders.

"In our religion, a person who kills his wife or daughter, there is nothing more dishonorable," he testified.

But Shafia was heard condemning his dead children in wiretapped conversations played in court.

"May the devil defecate on their graves! This is what a daughter should be? Would a daughter be such a whore?" he said.

Hargey, the director of the Muslim Educational Centre, said violence was sometimes the result of painful transition.

"Muslims are in a state of flux," he said.

"They are between two worlds: the ancient world and the new technological age," he said. "Women are getting rights and the ability to choose their own spouses. The family in Canada didn't know how to respond to this: the conflict between the discipline of children and the new reality."

Irshad Manji, the author of "Allah, Liberty and Love: Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom," said there was another conflict at work in honor murders, a term CNN uses in preference to "honor killings" because the latter phrase does not properly describe the crime.

It is "a tribal tradition that emphasizes the family or the tribe or the community over the individual," she said.

Although the practice may not be Islamic, she said, not all Muslims understand the distinction.

"It is a problem within Islam because of how Muslims often confuse culture and religion," she said. "It's Muslims who have to learn to separate culture and religion. If we don't, Islam will continue to get the bad name that it gets."

But one vocal British campaigner against honor violence points out that not all the crimes are perpetrated by Muslims.

Jasvinder Sanghera, who was the victim of a forced marriage, is not Muslim; she is Sikh.

"Significant cases are happening within South Asian communities, be it Pakistani, Indian, Sikh, Muslim, Kurdish, Iranian, Middle Eastern communities," she said.

"And we have to recognize that because the statistics don't lie. I am not standing here trying to embarrass those communities. But equally, those communities should be ashamed because this is happening in their community and they are not taking a stand," she said.

On the other hand, honor murders are not a problem in Indonesia, which has the world's largest Muslim population.

"No such a practice can be found among Indonesian Muslims," said Azyumardi Azra, the director of the graduate school at the State Islamic University in Jakarta, Indonesia.

" 'Honor killing' is, I believe, a cultural problem among Arab and South Asian Muslims. I don't think that kind of practice has an Islamic basis," he said.

Although women and girls make up the overwhelming number of victims, there have been at least some male victims, including Ahmet Yildiz, a gay Turkish man whose fugitive father is the main suspect in his 2008 shooting death.

Britain has had about a dozen honor murders per year for the past several years, said Ghayasuddin Siddiqui of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain.

He, too, said the crimes were not justified by Islam.

"This comes from tribal customs where the father - not both parents - see children as their property. A girl decides to marry somebody of whom their parents do not approve, and they conspire and find some way to kill and dispose of this body," he said. "This is a kind of misplaced shame that parents feel that their daughter has decided to marry somebody of her choosing, not theirs."

Britain's Crown Prosecution Service has an expert devoted to prosecuting honor-based violence, Nazir Afzal.

Convicting perpetrators can be difficult, he said.

"There is a wall of silence around this, and people are not prepared to talk," he said.

But Afzal insisted that it was "absolutely important that you bring every single person to justice because you want to deter other people from doing it."

And along with the Islamic scholars and human rights advocates, he rejected out of hand the idea that religion justified it.

"At the end of the day, murder is murder. There is no faith on Earth, no community on Earth that justifies this," he said.

"Abrahamic faiths say 'Thou shalt not kill,' " he pointed out. "At the end of the day, nobody should die for this."

CNN's Paula Newton, Atika Shubert, Bharati Naik, Ashley Hayes, Ivan Watson and Becky Anderson contributed to this report.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Canada • Islam • Violence

soundoff (2,115 Responses)
  1. JPS

    Science and te hnology are creating complete chaos for all religions on this planet.
    Humans are on the brink of creating our own immortality and utopian. We have that ability now.
    The only thing holding humanity back is RELIGION. As long as we allow religion to control our lives with
    false hopes and of a rapture or deliverance from a god that does not exist we will not achieve that spot in our history.
    We will continue in infancy allowing our imaginary friends to create wars and violence because they told us to.
    Religion haunts the human race and no longer has any reason for existence except to restrain us from reaching our next step
    in planetary evolution.
    It is time to put away our childish ways and move on to the next phase in our evolution.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • pirate

      Right on the money! Except for the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster, of course!

      January 30, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
  2. Liam

    Last year there were 3000 honour attacks in England ..guess who committed them? Starts with M...

    January 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • changomango

      There's been several in the U.S., I remember a few years ago in San Antonio, a Muslim man killed his Hispanic daughter in law because she wasn't Muslim.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  3. Zia Islam

    I am a Muslim and THIS IS NOT A MUSLIM PROBLEM, THIS IS AN AFGHAN PROBLEM. 75% of all Muslims live in Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia and China!!! None of these countries have EVER had a single honor killing – EVER>>>>

    January 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Liam

      No its not it happens in Pakistan all the time...

      January 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • changomango

      JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA and not one, one single terrorist act has ever been committed by a Muslim JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

      January 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Fredflintstone

      WRONG!

      January 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Beth

      You are right that it isn't about Islam. It is a cultural tradition. You are not right about Pakistan and India. There are lots of honor killings in those countries. It is HUGE problem in India, actually! I am sorry so many other posters here are saying hateful things about Islam. It's embarrassing as an American.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • changomango

      @Beth–"saying hateful things about Islam. It's embarrassing as an American", Ever lived in a "Muslim" country? Muslims say, write, promote and mock hateful things about Christians and Westerners all the time, they aren't "embarrassed", heck they're proud of it! Stop being an intolerant weakling and express yourself as you see fit.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  4. Kyon

    In China there used to be some thing like this where they killed girls because there is more honor in having a boy. Unknown to them, they are making a lot of gay dudes this way

    January 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • JPS

      And unbeknownst to ignorant people 1 out of 10 men are gay and most of society doesn't have a problem with.
      just ignorant kretons think that more gays is a bad thing. Is 7 billion not enough straighties for you

      January 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • changomango

      @JPS–I have 10 brothers, you mean to tell me that one of them or even I am gay?

      January 30, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
  5. Fredflintstone

    Bukhari (4:149) – Muhammad's wives are even trained to defecate on his command.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • changomango

      Which ones, the ten year old or the nine year old?

      January 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
  6. k

    What is Islam in few lines is something everyone deserves to know, it is to believe and obey only one God. Every time humanity deviated from this path, God sent down His of prophets (Noah, Ibrahim, Mosses Jesus and Mohammed were among thousands) who carried this single message to the whole humanity (And they all had the highest moral standards). That is the message of Islam.

    God speaks to the whole humanity through His book Quran..

    “Proclaim, He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him." [112:1]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    “…anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people....." Qur'an [5:32]

    Most exalted is the One in whose hands is all kingship, and He is Omnipotent.The One who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. Quran [67.2]

    Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous. Quran [5:46]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to clear your misconception by going to whyIslam org website.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • joe

      Jesus was around looong before islam even existed

      January 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  7. RightTurnClyde

    You do have to admit (however) that some fan-attic who .k.i.l.l.s. doctors and nurses in a clinic is not much different.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • changomango

      One or two fanatics who do that, millions of Muslims who do what this man did.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Steven

      @changomango : Millions really ? Prove it !

      Come on, if it were millions it should be extremely simple to prove it. But you know as well as I do that you're lying.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • changomango

      Stephen, dude, you know how long it would take me to list them all?

      January 30, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
  8. breta keating

    ARE THESE SO CALLED HONOR MURDERS AGAINST WOMEN ONLY. I KNOW OF NO RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THAT CONDONE MURDER. THESE ARE COWARDS HIDING BEHIND THEIR SICK PRACTICES.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • pirate

      What about Christianity?

      You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

      January 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • pirate

      Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

      January 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • pirate

      Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

      January 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • pirate

      Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

      January 30, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • pirate

      A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

      January 30, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • pirate

      Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
      Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

      January 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • ProudInfidel

      @Pirate you are an idiot. Exodus 2:20 "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed. BY GOD YOU IDIOT, NOT BY MAN.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • pirate

      "By god and not by man"? Those verses sure look like instructions to me! When's the last time you saw the invisible man in the sky complete a stoning of someone who acted as a medium or a fortuneteller, for example?

      January 30, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • wiggletail

      Aw I'm in a swashbuckling mood and have a penchant for parrots so I'm gonna jump to Pirate's ship against ProudInfidel... Now why in heaven would the writer of these passages (vicious gossip purports it was Moses, the stammering swamp baby) intend that it was GOD who is the destroyer and then follow up all that destruction with "Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. " Huh? If God is earnest in all this destruction then God will turn from anger to mercy? Just how are you squaring that little bit of nonsense?

      January 30, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
  9. gabbo

    Islam IS the culture of the MIddle East !! Absolutely barbaric, and Islam should take the lead in stopping this .... but wait, they never take the lead in anything other than vengence and hate.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Zia Islam

      75% of all Muslims live in Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia and China!!! None of these countries have EVER had a single honor killing – EVER>>>>

      January 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Thinker

      wait then where christianity originated and where jesus and moses were born? think before you spread baseless claims.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Rev. Charles

      It seems you do not know that India-Pakistan-Afghanistan are not in middle east, and people in those countries are NOT Arabs, some of them are are Muslims and most of them are Hindus and chriatians. Now whose culture are you talking about? Also, Dou you know that Indian christians still practice honor killing? Do we then condem christians and christianity? Think of it. Adherents of many religions carry their baggaes to the religions they confess to, and their cultural practices should NOT be confused with their religion.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • pirate

      "There have been several Islamic scholars who have issued fatwas against honor killing." - Interesting.. Only "several"??? wow.. You'd think it should be "thousands of Islamic scholars"...

      January 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
  10. Salman

    Islam has nothing to do with honor killings. This is something that happens rarely in that part of the world(Afghanistan).
    Western media is always looking to blame Islam for anything. Remember there are more than billion muslims in the world living in more than 50 countries. Don't take one incidence and blame the whole religion. Islam is a peaceful religion. Don't forget lots of terrorism in the world today has something to do with the policies of the west including our own usa

    January 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • NolaJim

      How can you say that western media always blames Islam when a western media news source releases an article contrary to the idea? This article clearly states that honor killings are cultural not Islamic and sites scholars and leading experts.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Harsh Reality

      Of course it does. Islam has everything to with it. The leader of the islamic religion, mohammed, murdered his owm grandson for a matter of "honor". Muslims see him as the guy to emulate. With role models who murder for honor, well, need I say more? He did set the example, after all. (and a bad one it was)

      January 30, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • pirate

      MOST religions have barbaric customs in their religious writings. Islam is no different than Judaism or Christianity – which are both full of hate, slavery, murder, war mongering, racism, etc.. all in the name of some invisible man in the sky! Someday (soon I hope!) science will finish debunking these fairy stories and mankind will be able to move forward! All Hail the Great Hadron Collider!

      January 30, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
  11. Cyg

    Nothing we haven't seen a Christian do with an Abortion clinic or a federal building.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
  12. Andrew

    ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WESTERN WORLD. AMERICA AND WESTERN EUROPE ARE INCLUDED. I MYSELF AM A CONVERT TO ISLAM. THERE IS NOTHING IN ISLAM THAT JUSTIFY HONOR KILLINGS AND THERE IS NOTHING IN ISLAM THAT SUPPORT HONOR KILLINGS. WITH THAT SAID, CNN CAN TRY ALL IT WANT TO PAINT A BAD PICTURE OF ISLAM. PEOPLE THREW OUT THE WORLD WILL CONTINUE TO EMBRACE ISLAM, AND PEOPLE THREW OUT THE WORLD WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THE RELIGION OF ISLAM AS A JUST AND PEACEFUL RELIGION.

    I HAVE A BETTER QUESTION OF CNN

    WHAT IS THE TIE BETWEEN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, 'PEDOPHILIA'?

    TIME TO PULL OUT THE ARCHIVE

    IT IS A UNDENIABLE FACT THAT THERE ARE MORE FAMILY MASSACRES HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THEN ANY PART OF THE MUSLIM WORLD.

    WHY ARE SO MANY CHRISTIAN MEN MASSACRING THERE FAMILIES HERE IN THE UNITED STATES?

    WHY ARE SO MANY CHRISTIAN YOUNG BOYS AND TEENAGERS SLAUGHTERING THERE PARENTS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES?

    WHY ARE SO MANY CHRISTIAN TEENAGERS AND YOUNG ADULTS KILLING PEOPLE THAT THEY GO TO SCHOOL WITH?

    CNN, CAN YOU PLEASE WRITE ARTICLES ON WHY THE ISREALIS ARE KILLING LITTLE PALESTINIAN BOYS AND GIRLS. AND WHY ISREALIS ARE DENYING WATER TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE. WHY ARE THE ISREALIS ARE FORCING THE PALESTINIAN TO LIVE IN GETTOS?

    January 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Fredflintstone

      taqiyya and kitman?

      January 30, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Fredflintstone

      Abu Dawud (2141) – "Iyas bin ‘Abd Allah bin Abi Dhubab reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: Do not beat Allah’s handmaidens, but when ‘Umar came to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) and said: Women have become emboldened towards their husbands, he (the Prophet) gave permission to beat them." At first, Muhammad forbade men from beating their wives, but he rescinded this once it was reported that women were becoming emboldened toward their husbands. Beatings are sometimes necessary to keep women in their place.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • joe

      Nice try buddy but facts are facts..and Israelis aren't killing “palestinian” kids ....nice try at deflecting liar....

      January 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Fredflintstone

      Dr. Muzammil Saddiqi, the former president of ISNA (the Islamic Society of North America), a mainstream Muslim organization, says it is important that a wife "recognizes the authority of her husband in the house" and that he may use physical force if he is "sure it would improve the situation."

      January 30, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Bigboard

      Sorry, Andrew, but your "facts" are deniable. Also, the article went to great lengths to separate Islam from this and other heinous acts, including honor killings. Quit typing in all caps: it makes you look dumb. Also learn the difference between "through" and "threw."

      January 30, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Linda

      To be effective when attempting to write a rousing editorial in English one must be fluent enough in English to use the proper word in the proper manner. "Their parent" not "There parent," etc. for every word in your diatribe. You'll be taken seriously if you can learn that there are words in English that sound exactly alike but have very different meanings. The errors detract from the message you are striving to put forth.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • John

      So all your reasons justify people killing in the name of Islam? Great

      January 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Lucas

      The world will be much better when mankind is so evolved that we no longer need religion. So much is said about Islam; may we not forget however, that Christianity forged its hold it has on the great mass of people world wide, since the days of the council of Nicea, by killing and torturing more than twenty four million people, including women and children. The God of Christianity is a blood thirsty one: Thus saith the Lord of hosts (to king Saul)...Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (I Samuel XV, 2-3).

      January 30, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • pirate

      HA! Why can't your average Palestinian treat women with respect and equality like Israelis do? Why can't you lern to spel? Learn the difference between they're, their, and there, and stop this all caps tirade!

      January 30, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • pirate

      Besides, not that its a religion, but atheism is growing faster!

      January 30, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  13. Muslim4Life

    Islam does not justify honor killing, it prohibits the killing of daughters in all cases. This is all culture baggage from their home country who have perverted islam from their own interpretations to justify these crimes.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • changomango

      If Islam prohibits such acts then why is it so common? Why is the murdering of innocents so common? I understand that there is nothing in the Qur'an about wearing a burkha or head scarf, why is it so common?

      January 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • Fredflintstone

      kitman and taqiyya

      January 30, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Fredflintstone

      Abu Dawud (2142) – "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife."

      January 30, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
  14. RightTurnClyde

    You just do not know how lucky you are if you are born American and have rights with Christian ideals and a free education K-through-B.S. Because FEW others have any of that. Immigrating to a free country does not make you free. They ere just as enslaved as any antebellum slave... owned and abused at the will of the owner.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Yugo

      Well said my friend and exactly right!

      January 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Zia Islam

      In Bangladesh, home to 200 million Muslims – I had free education and healthcare. I came here because I regarded America to be the land of all – not a whites only country...

      January 30, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • Judy2010

      Education is not free in teh thru B.S., yes, K-12th grade is, however beyond that you have to pay for it. And it is not cheap, nor affordable for most.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  15. Tachoman

    It may not demand it but it certainly doesn't condemn it, not to mention that Imams (Islamic version of priests) do nothing to enlighten their community about the new world they live in.
    Its offensive that they come over here and don't even try to observe our customs and above all our laws which protect us from such barbaric behavior.
    It's also offensive that their Imams come over to the west and speak ill of the very countries that allows them to speak freely and practice their religion in peace while in the muslim world, if you are considered and infidels you might as well paint a huge target on your back!
    My opinion? revoke their status and send them back to whatever desert hole they crawled rom.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  16. KJ

    Experts say a lot of things about Islam. I say actions speak louder than words. Whenever someone says something bad about Islam, Muslims all around the world rise in anger. When something atrocious is committed in the name of Islam, all we get is a muted response from self-proclaimed experts who insists that Islam is all about peace. Sorry, I am not buying it.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Zia Islam

      You are only hearing the US folks here. 75% of all Muslims live in Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia and China!!! Did you hear anything from the 75%?

      January 30, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Mr. Me

      you do not get muted response when a fanatic misguided muslim commit a crime against humanity, the problem is that media never report that response because it will not give them the rating, or most refuse to read or hear the response because something called patriotism(which i consider is a form of racism) and hate take over the normal brain function, which causes most of the ignorant to ignore the response by many muslim community, but are quick to pick on something like, lets say when a muslim community try to build a community center for the youth of all faith or with no faith, a media and racist & fanatic politician label them as terrorist, i bet you were quick to pick on that, weren't you. it is not your fault most of us wired in that fashion.

      January 30, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
  17. HHHA

    Why did the father move to a place where his daughters would be exposed to such decadence. He could have stayed where he was and put his daughters' attempt to maintain honor above his desire to make money. Hypocrite.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
  18. Rev. Charles

    We do not condem Christians and Christianity for such crimes as killing wife/husband (or entire family as we see often over the news) for the sake of insurance claims. It is just a Western culture NOT Christianity. Let us be honest in our comments.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • KJ

      Huh? There is quite a difference between killing for greed and killing because of one's belief. We condemn both. However, religious killings are not part of contemporary Western culture. They are quite common though in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • scott501

      you think there is a culture of doing that in the US?

      January 30, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
  19. Pro

    The so called Muslim scholars expressing their opinion an asumed name do not have the courage to to condemn honor killing, or killing of non Muslims in front of their mosques, especially in Islamic countries like Pakistan, Saudi arabia and many others for the fear of getting killed.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • Rev. Charles

      Please check your facts. This is only practiced in (India-Pakistan-Afghanistan region). Note that, we should NOT condem Christians and Christianity for such crimes as killing wife/husband (or entire family as we see often over the news) for the sake of insurance claims. It is just a Western culture NOT Christianity. Let us be honest in our comments.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Bazoing

      To Rev Charles: Please check YOUR facts. There are 5000 verified such murders a year in areas where this happens. That has little to do with a very few nuts in the US. Religion is plagued by predators who have no motive except dominating women and their offspring. I do not blame this on the religions, however Islam tends to attract more of these beasts than other religions and may be more easily distorted to support them.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Zia Islam

      Excellent point. These so called scholars are half-educated unfortunately. What Islam needs is educated cleric, but again the Arab Oil money comes to impede that movement. The Arab sheikhs need these half witted people – just like Republican party needs the half-wit Tea Partiers!

      January 30, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
  20. Why Just Islam

    Crazy comes in all forms of religion.

    January 30, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Pro

      Yes sir. Crazies, are not necessary murderers, come in every faith, culture and nationality but murder in large numbers in the name of Allah for a variety of reasons comes only from Islamic society. Why? Please Read Quran and Islamic history. you will know source and reason.
      Not a single Jew went around killing and bombing innocent people in Germany or Europe.

      January 30, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
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