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January 30th, 2012
01:30 PM ET

Islam doesn't justify 'honor murders,' experts insist

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Zainab Shafia's crime was to run off to marry a man her parents hated. Middle sister Sahar's crime was to wear revealing clothes and have secret boyfriends. Youngest sister Geeti's crime was to do badly in school and call social workers for help dealing with a family home in turmoil.

The punishment for all three teenage Canadian sisters was the same: death.

Their executioner: their brother, acting on instructions from the father to run their car off the road.

Another family member, their father's first wife in a polygamous marriage, was also killed.

Hamed Shafia, his father, Mohammed, and his mother, Tooba Mohammed Yahya, were sentenced to life in prison for murder, with Judge Robert Maranger excoriating their "twisted notion of honor, a notion of honor that is founded upon the domination and control of women, a sick notion of honor that has absolutely no place in any civilized society."

Leading Muslim thinkers wholeheartedly endorsed the Canadian judge's verdict, insisting that "honor murders" had no place and no support in Islam.

"There is nothing in the Quran that justifies honor killings. There is nothing that says you should kill for the honor of the family," said Taj Hargey, director of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford in England.

"This idea that 'somehow a girl has besmirched our honor and therefore the thing to do is kill her' is bizarre, and Muslims should stop using this defense," he said, arguing that the practice is cultural, not religious in origin.

"You cannot say this is what Islam approves of. You can say this is what their culture approves of," he said.

The Shafia family is originally from Afghanistan.

Experts say honor murders take place in many parts of the world.

"It's definitely a problem that happens in many different places: the Middle East, Pakistan, Bangladesh and among immigrant communities in North America," said Nadya Khalife, a researcher on women's rights in the Arab world for Human Rights Watch.

Several Arab countries and territories, including Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Yemen and the Palestinian territories, have laws providing lesser sentences for honor murders than for other murders, Human Rights Watch says.

Egypt and Jordan also have laws that have been interpreted to allow reduced sentences for honor crimes, the group says.

Reliable figures of the number of honor murders are hard to come by, Khalife said, but she pointed to a United Nations Population Fund estimate of 5,000 per year.

Khalife agreed that the practice should not be blamed on Islam.

"It's not linked to religion; it's more cultural," she said. "There have been several Islamic scholars who have issued fatwas against honor killing."

Mohammed Shafia, who denied murder, said himself in court that Islam did not justify honor murders.

"In our religion, a person who kills his wife or daughter, there is nothing more dishonorable," he testified.

But Shafia was heard condemning his dead children in wiretapped conversations played in court.

"May the devil defecate on their graves! This is what a daughter should be? Would a daughter be such a whore?" he said.

Hargey, the director of the Muslim Educational Centre, said violence was sometimes the result of painful transition.

"Muslims are in a state of flux," he said.

"They are between two worlds: the ancient world and the new technological age," he said. "Women are getting rights and the ability to choose their own spouses. The family in Canada didn't know how to respond to this: the conflict between the discipline of children and the new reality."

Irshad Manji, the author of "Allah, Liberty and Love: Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom," said there was another conflict at work in honor murders, a term CNN uses in preference to "honor killings" because the latter phrase does not properly describe the crime.

It is "a tribal tradition that emphasizes the family or the tribe or the community over the individual," she said.

Although the practice may not be Islamic, she said, not all Muslims understand the distinction.

"It is a problem within Islam because of how Muslims often confuse culture and religion," she said. "It's Muslims who have to learn to separate culture and religion. If we don't, Islam will continue to get the bad name that it gets."

But one vocal British campaigner against honor violence points out that not all the crimes are perpetrated by Muslims.

Jasvinder Sanghera, who was the victim of a forced marriage, is not Muslim; she is Sikh.

"Significant cases are happening within South Asian communities, be it Pakistani, Indian, Sikh, Muslim, Kurdish, Iranian, Middle Eastern communities," she said.

"And we have to recognize that because the statistics don't lie. I am not standing here trying to embarrass those communities. But equally, those communities should be ashamed because this is happening in their community and they are not taking a stand," she said.

On the other hand, honor murders are not a problem in Indonesia, which has the world's largest Muslim population.

"No such a practice can be found among Indonesian Muslims," said Azyumardi Azra, the director of the graduate school at the State Islamic University in Jakarta, Indonesia.

" 'Honor killing' is, I believe, a cultural problem among Arab and South Asian Muslims. I don't think that kind of practice has an Islamic basis," he said.

Although women and girls make up the overwhelming number of victims, there have been at least some male victims, including Ahmet Yildiz, a gay Turkish man whose fugitive father is the main suspect in his 2008 shooting death.

Britain has had about a dozen honor murders per year for the past several years, said Ghayasuddin Siddiqui of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain.

He, too, said the crimes were not justified by Islam.

"This comes from tribal customs where the father - not both parents - see children as their property. A girl decides to marry somebody of whom their parents do not approve, and they conspire and find some way to kill and dispose of this body," he said. "This is a kind of misplaced shame that parents feel that their daughter has decided to marry somebody of her choosing, not theirs."

Britain's Crown Prosecution Service has an expert devoted to prosecuting honor-based violence, Nazir Afzal.

Convicting perpetrators can be difficult, he said.

"There is a wall of silence around this, and people are not prepared to talk," he said.

But Afzal insisted that it was "absolutely important that you bring every single person to justice because you want to deter other people from doing it."

And along with the Islamic scholars and human rights advocates, he rejected out of hand the idea that religion justified it.

"At the end of the day, murder is murder. There is no faith on Earth, no community on Earth that justifies this," he said.

"Abrahamic faiths say 'Thou shalt not kill,' " he pointed out. "At the end of the day, nobody should die for this."

CNN's Paula Newton, Atika Shubert, Bharati Naik, Ashley Hayes, Ivan Watson and Becky Anderson contributed to this report.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Canada • Islam • Violence

soundoff (2,115 Responses)
  1. Notislam

    moslems are victims and prisoners of their vile ideology of islam. We didn't need to hate Germans to oppose their vile ideology of nazism. We don't need to hate moslems to oppose their vile ideology of islam. islam is vile.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
  2. Joe

    The father now gets to play the role of virgin to 72 eagerly awaiting convicts.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • jespo

      Now thats funny....

      January 30, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Alfredo

      Certainly hope so...

      January 30, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
  3. Notislam

    All moslems must be made to feel shame for their vile ideology of islam just as Germans were shamed for their vile ideology of nazism.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • jespo

      They won't....

      January 30, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • guest

      II agree!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Notislam

      islam is an ObamaNation to all humanity.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Kat

      Zionazis like you are wasting their energy. 25% of all people on earth are Muslim and occupy 2/5 of earth mass. You're only awakening a sleeping giant with your hate/war mongering.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • jespo

      Hey Kat...with the way you all keep kil-ling your breeders...you'll save us the trouble 100 years from now...go have a coke and candy bar or something...

      January 30, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • The Phist

      I don't care how many muslims there are. They all believe in a myth.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • SCS

      Go educate yourself, Notislam, before you poison others.
      It must be so easy for ignorant people like you to blame everything on Islam. I bet you don't have any culturally diverse friends either.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
  4. Joey

    Actually, the prosecution proved that they were bludgeoned to death elsewhere and the car with the bodies was pushed into a shallow canal to make it look like accidental drowning. Your news writer should have known that before writing this article. The headline is intentionally designed to stir ethnic tensions... unworthy. East is east and west is west, and ne'er the twain shall meet. If immigrants come to our countries they have to adapt and integrate, or go home.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
  5. Notislam

    islam is about killing. There is nothing honorable in islam.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • guest

      I agree!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • SCS

      Where did you learn that from? The media ?

      January 30, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
  6. Alfredo

    Allah Akbar sucka... Allah can't kill anyone because he doesn't exist but followers of the book of fiction will kill you if you don't honor their nonsense...

    January 30, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
  7. Reallyist

    Islam is a (cult) culture. Everything Muslims do in their life is covered by Muhammad's teachings, instructions and laws. From eating to "procreation" and pleasure activities, to work, money, family law business law. In Islam all wars are holy wars.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Kat

      and you're controlled by the 3" head still inserted in your rear since your first Sunday hate school attendance.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • jespo

      All religions are like that....

      January 30, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
  8. Binyamin

    Is there a pest control agency for Muslims?

    January 30, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Kat

      go back to Auchwitz you're not done.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • WaterH2O

      No, but there certainly needs to be one for bigoted pests like you.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Binyamin

      Kat: what Muslim man got into your head to believe the lies of his pedophile prophet? There is a reason Jews are on top and why Muslims are scurrying around like the roaches they are. Muslims live in the past and have no place in the modern world.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Reflecto

      Binyamin – This from someone who can't use an elevator or telephone on Saturdays!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • Kat

      yea your kind is only on top of hate and neo nazism. Take your sick fantasies to the atlas drugs blog, your roaches den.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Binyamin

      Reflectard: what is your point? Is the fact that we take a day to disconnect from our smartphones and tvs and cars to spend time with our families ridiculous? Sorry we're not spending our time stoning women or raping little girls like Muslims.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • togirl

      I really hope you're not jewish; how would that statement sound if you replaced 'Muslim' with 'jew'? FYI i'm jewish, and statements like that do not help the situation.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
  9. Bob

    There are a lot of things the bible doesn't say yet christians do too, in the name of their religion. Pretending the honor killings have nothing to do with Islam is just reality evading.

    I'm sure if you talked to the people who commit these murders they'd never use their religion or God to justify themselves, right? Don't make me laugh.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • WaterH2O

      There is no such thing as "honor killings" in Islam. I am not surprised as to why the media keeps pushing this falsehood down the throats of a very gullible and ignorant populace. The concept of "Honor killings" is purely cultural and practiced by a very fringe group of people in Afghanistan (the Pashtun) and parts of India, Iran, and China. It is cultural, NOT religious. In fact, the Quran clearly prohibits murder:
      "Whoever kills a believer intentionally, their reward will be Hell, to abide therein forever, and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon them, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for them." (Holy Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 93)

      "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone kills a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if they killed all people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if they saved the life of all people." (Holy Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 32)

      January 30, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
    • Alexandru

      @Bob

      Which part from this article you do not understand?
      It's clearly stated in the Holy Qur'an and Fatwa done by Muslim scholars that this is NOT PERMITTED IN ISLAM.
      It is and it was a CULTURAL THING.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
  10. vince

    They are right, Qu'ran does not teach Horner killing. please do not blame on it. QU'RAN JUST TEACH CHOP THE HEAD AND CUT THE HAND ONLY.(chop this and cut that only, Islam is religion of pieces, a piece over here, a piece over there. after suicide boming.)some one may practice wrong to kill none belief. JUST NEED SEND THEM TO SEE ALLAH THAT ALL. ALLAH EXAL IN POWER. ISLAM JUST NEED WORLD ALL BECOME ISLAMIC WORLD , PLEASE LEAVE ISLAM ALONE. thank you.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Muneef

      Wonder which is more merciful ...chopping heads or electrifying or poisoning ?

      January 30, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Kat

      halfwit, maybe if greedy rich thieves who gambled away your retiremenment money did not have hands to steal then would be better off, ranting like a drunk

      January 30, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Alfredo

      RIP ladies, your ability to enjoy life and live freely will live on. Your ignorant family will be honored in prison, over and over again...

      January 30, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Utkrista

      well said dude

      January 30, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • WaterH2O

      Calm down, Vince.

      There is no such thing as "honor killings" in Islam. I am not surprised as to why the media keeps pushing this falsehood down the throats of a very gullible and ignorant populace. The concept of "Honor killings" is purely cultural and practiced by a very fringe group of people in Afghanistan (the Pashtun) and parts of India, Iran, and China. It is cultural, NOT religious. In fact, the Quran clearly prohibits murder:
      "Whoever kills a believer intentionally, their reward will be Hell, to abide therein forever, and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon them, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for them." (Holy Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 93)

      "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone kills a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if they killed all people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if they saved the life of all people." (Holy Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 32)

      January 30, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Alexandru

      @Vince,

      Before posting here your ignorance and hatred do your home work.
      The capital punishment in Islam is beheading indeed, but it is done for grievous crimes, like Witchcraft for example.
      Cutting the right hand for theft it is done IF ONLY 4 WITNESSES CAN BE BROUGHT to the Islamic court.
      Since this is very hard to prove most of the time this punishment is not executed upon the guilty person.

      On the other hand, if the Jewish law would be respected as it is required by God people caught in
      – Adultery would be stoned to death and so on.
      This is not done as of the modern times since it requires the Temple to be rebuild.

      So, the reason I gave you the above example it is for you to understand that this is God's commandment that these people to be punished like that. It is not human invention at all.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
  11. gretagretch

    let's just pray for the poor souls of the murdered teenagers and their mother..may the soul of their father and brother burn in hell !

    January 30, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
  12. Utkrista

    whatever muslim people say it's universal truth that their religion and terrorism and linked with each other.have u ever seen hindu or christian people who blast themselves in suicide bombing or kill innocent people in public place?have u ever seen these people being a scientist or innovator?no they will never be so coz they do not get time to study and to think sth creative,they only have time to pray five times a day,that's all for them.((((((((((((

    January 30, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • Kat

      actually suicide bombing originated in non-muslim Ski Lanka by the Hindu Tamil fighters. Terrorists by non-muslims is far greater both in numbers and scale. If Muslims do not have scientists then why do the Zionazis assassinate them in terror bombings?
      yea verses you busy with parties, finding multiple partners to getting laid and spreading STD's, doing drugs, and cheating in your schools tests.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Binyamin

      Kat: Zionazis? I'm surprised you can speak with all that Muslim dick in your mouth!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • SCS

      Utkrista, what an uneducated, ignorant and intolerant person you are. Please stop leaving stupid comments and go read a book!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • WaterH2O

      Spoken like a true bigot.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
  13. Bmw678

    This is the Nomadic culture that has been inhereted by the countries like Iran and Afghanistan, etc These countries still have a large population that is nomad and depends on poppy agriculture. Honor killing has not place in Islam, it is plain murder and as the Bible says, it is eye for eye, that is Islamic justice.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • WaterH2O

      Hear, Hear.

      In fact, there is no such thing as "honor killings" in Islam. I am not surprised as to why the media keeps pushing this falsehood down the throats of a very gullible and ignorant populace. The concept of "Honor killings" is purely cultural and practiced by a very fringe group of people in Afghanistan (the Pashtun) and parts of India, Iran, and China. It is cultural, NOT religious. In fact, the Quran clearly prohibits murder:
      "Whoever kills a believer intentionally, their reward will be Hell, to abide therein forever, and the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon them, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for them." (Holy Quran, Chapter 4, Verse 93)

      "On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone kills a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if they killed all people. And if any one saved a life, it would be as if they saved the life of all people." (Holy Quran, Chapter 5, Verse 32)

      January 30, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
  14. Alfredo

    Less religion and more common sense would go a long way. RIP ladies. You rability to live free will live on. Your ignorant family will rot in prison...

    January 30, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  15. NTI

    The post is nothing but a deceiving cover-up for Islam! Honor killing can not be blamed on culture. Honor killings happen in almost all the Islamic countries weather it is Arabic countries, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, North African, Western African. Hello? Which culture, except for Islam, connects this vastly diverse countries with different languages and traditions?

    Qutoe: "There is nothing in the Quran that justifies honor killings. There is nothing that says you should kill for the honor of the family," said Taj Hargey, director of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford in England.

    Wow, Mr. Hargey cleaverly deceives the readers by mentioning only the Quran and does not mention the Hadiths as Honor killings come from the Hadiths and are not found in the Quran. Hadiths are narrations of what the prophet Muhammad did and said and help the Muslims understand the Quran. Muslims consider Muhammad the perfect example and Muslims are supposed to follow him in every detail (i.e. follow the Sunnah سنة). So the Hadiths are of absolute importance in Islam. You can not possible understand the Quran without reading the Hadiths. Even the 5 times Islamic prayer is not found in the Quran!

    The fact is that honor killing comes from Sahih Muslim and Al-Bukhari (the most prominent and authentic Hadiths) under the book of Nukah and the section of jealousy ...

    صحیح البخاري – كِتَاب النِّكَاحِ – بَاب الْغَیْرَةِ

    لَوْ رَأَیْتُ رَجُلًا مَعَ امْرَأَتِي لَضَرَبْتُھُ بِالسَّیْفِ غَیْرَ مُصْفَحٍ فَقَالَ النَّبِيُّ صَلَّى للهَُّ عَلَیْھِ وَسَلَّمَ أَتَعْجَبُونَ مِنْ غَیْرَةِ سَعْدٍ لَأَنَا أَغْیَرُ مِنْھُ وَللهَُّ أَغْیَرُ مِنِّي 4922
    حَدَّثَنَا عُمَرُ بْنُ حَفْصٍ حَدَّثَنَا أَبِي حَدَّثَنَا

    In Al-Bukhari says that Saad Ibn Abada told us "If I saw a man with my wife then I will kill him with my sword" and the prophet told them "Are you surprised that Saad is that jealous, because I am more jealous than Saad"

    Here is a word used in Arabic called الدیوث "Al Dayyouth"

    الدیوث: وھو الذي لا یغار علی
    أھله.

    Al Dayyouth means a man who do not feel jealousy on his family/house "Cuckold" "a word applied to an adulterer"

    According to Mohammed there are 3 kind of people that will NOT enter Al-jina/Allah will NOT look at them

    1. Ingrate to his parents الْعَاقُّ لِوَالِدَیْهِ

    2. boyish girl (tom boy)وَالْمَرْأَةُ
    الْمُتَرَجِّلَةُ

    3. Al Dayyouth الدیوث

    So we see that Al Dayyouth will not enter to Al Jana and not to mention that other people will make fun of this man because he is disgraced

    January 30, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Indonesia.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Kat

      Nice try but the story says "kill him", the man, not the woman....that's actually an evidence against you halfwit. If you consider that honor killing then the US would probably be #1 in that department.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • NTI

      Ha ha ha.. so you could name one Islamic country in the whole world to defend Islam? Shouldn't that be exception rather than the rule? And well, could there are other reasons why Muslims in Indonesia do not have this practice? For example, Islam spread in Indonesia much, much, later and not during the first century of Islam under rightly guided Caliphs as in most parts of the Middle-east, Africa and Asia.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Kat

      NTI, the fact is non-muslims from the same regions do honor killing. Honor killing among muslims is rare itself. The fig is like 5000 out of 1.5 billion Muslims so that's 0.001%

      January 30, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • NTI

      Kat, Where in the world you get the info that Honor killing among muslims is rare? There are thousands of women killed in the name of honor in Muslim countries every year. It is a phenomena!

      Regarding your non-Muslim comment – I already responded to you before:

      HA HA HA over 90% of honor killings are Muslim in origin. The other 10% are mostly Sikh and Hindu. Note that both Sikhs and Hindus have been governed by Muslim emporors for centuries and therefore influenced by the Islamic culture. Honor killings did not exist in India before advent of Islam!

      January 30, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Alex

      PLEASE, no matter what religion you are in, DO NOT FORCE others to believe what you believe, DO NOT FORCE others to live the way you want them to live. AT LEAST, please DO NOT KILL THEM if they failed to follow the path you designed for them.

      January 30, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
  16. Maya

    They are right. It IS a cultural problem. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all rooted in this same barbaric culture that treats women and children as property and values blind submission to the collective (in the convenient guide of religion) over freedom and individual autonomy. These Muslims are only more adherent to their barbaric beliefs than Western monotheists. Christianity and Judaism are no less barbaric. Their followers are just more hypocritical.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • Sue

      100% agree with Maya.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • NTI

      You got no clue! Please read this and educate yourself:

      http://www.politicalislam.com/pdf/WebSitePDF/ShariaNonMuslim.pdf

      January 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Camaro

      Christianity degrades women? No it doesn't!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
  17. Binyamin

    No more Muslims! The world has had enough of these dogs!

    January 30, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Kat

      you must be # 1 student in your yeshiva and just showing off. You just keep repeating the hate lessons you are fed everyday.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      No more reading comprehension impaired poster! The world has enough of these wickerheads!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • N Habib

      Suppose, I said something very unsavory and unpleasant about your physiological setup and something more, would that not exacerbate humankinds inter personal relations? No religion permits wanton murders. This interpretation is an extension of tribalism and fanaticism (honor killing).
      Please, in future be very careful of your remarks. This is certainly no way to live a life of hatred. Salams and have a nice day.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • Muneef

      How has more hatred to Muslims than a Jew...?

      January 30, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
  18. Dado

    It is not religion. It is culture- Islamic culture.

    The muslim scholars issued fatwas to condemn honor killings. The Imams didn't. Muslims listen to Imams not scholars.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Ishtar12

      Imams should listen to themselves!! All they preach about is women women women ... sick of it!

      January 30, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Muneef

      Rabbi's seem not to talk much about women but just wonder what they talk about more..? Must be money money money...

      January 30, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Binyamin

      Muneef: muslims are too busy preaching about molesting little girls

      January 30, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Muneef

      Bin.

      I think you got the wrong religion for molesting issues....!

      January 31, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
  19. ytuque

    If honor killing is cultural, why don't Arab and South Indian Christians or Bahais commit these crimes? Are Christian Arabs or Pakistanis no longer Arab or Pakistani? Let these apologists answer that question!

    January 30, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Maya

      They do.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      I love it when ignorant posters insert their feet so far down their throat that they start passing toes. Absolutely Christian Arabs commit "honor" murders. Well established.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • Linda

      Yes, they do. For example, there are a large number of honor killing that occur in the Levant area of the Middle East (Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel/Palestine, Egypt). These countries also have most of the Christians in the Middle East. Some of these Christians commit honor killings. Yazidis (a non-Islamic religion in Iraq) also kill people for marrying outside their group. Need I go on?

      January 30, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • WaterH2O

      er, actually they do, my dear! the lovely biased media will never report on these. toodles.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
  20. Tom

    Like the saying goes, not all Muslims are terrorist but lately seems all terrorists are Muslilm...so the analogy goes, not all Muslims are honor murderers but sure seems all honor murderers are Muslim.

    January 30, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • :)

      like the saying goes, not all americans are violent, but since day one they have invaded abd wiped out entire nations... so the analogy goes, not all americans are idiots, but sure seems a lot of them are.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:05 pm |
    • MarkinFL

      Things as are not always as they seem. They merely seem that way because that is what gets most reported.

      January 30, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • johns

      Well said, Tom. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

      January 30, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
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