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January 30th, 2012
01:30 PM ET

Islam doesn't justify 'honor murders,' experts insist

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Zainab Shafia's crime was to run off to marry a man her parents hated. Middle sister Sahar's crime was to wear revealing clothes and have secret boyfriends. Youngest sister Geeti's crime was to do badly in school and call social workers for help dealing with a family home in turmoil.

The punishment for all three teenage Canadian sisters was the same: death.

Their executioner: their brother, acting on instructions from the father to run their car off the road.

Another family member, their father's first wife in a polygamous marriage, was also killed.

Hamed Shafia, his father, Mohammed, and his mother, Tooba Mohammed Yahya, were sentenced to life in prison for murder, with Judge Robert Maranger excoriating their "twisted notion of honor, a notion of honor that is founded upon the domination and control of women, a sick notion of honor that has absolutely no place in any civilized society."

Leading Muslim thinkers wholeheartedly endorsed the Canadian judge's verdict, insisting that "honor murders" had no place and no support in Islam.

"There is nothing in the Quran that justifies honor killings. There is nothing that says you should kill for the honor of the family," said Taj Hargey, director of the Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford in England.

"This idea that 'somehow a girl has besmirched our honor and therefore the thing to do is kill her' is bizarre, and Muslims should stop using this defense," he said, arguing that the practice is cultural, not religious in origin.

"You cannot say this is what Islam approves of. You can say this is what their culture approves of," he said.

The Shafia family is originally from Afghanistan.

Experts say honor murders take place in many parts of the world.

"It's definitely a problem that happens in many different places: the Middle East, Pakistan, Bangladesh and among immigrant communities in North America," said Nadya Khalife, a researcher on women's rights in the Arab world for Human Rights Watch.

Several Arab countries and territories, including Iraq, Kuwait, Syria, Yemen and the Palestinian territories, have laws providing lesser sentences for honor murders than for other murders, Human Rights Watch says.

Egypt and Jordan also have laws that have been interpreted to allow reduced sentences for honor crimes, the group says.

Reliable figures of the number of honor murders are hard to come by, Khalife said, but she pointed to a United Nations Population Fund estimate of 5,000 per year.

Khalife agreed that the practice should not be blamed on Islam.

"It's not linked to religion; it's more cultural," she said. "There have been several Islamic scholars who have issued fatwas against honor killing."

Mohammed Shafia, who denied murder, said himself in court that Islam did not justify honor murders.

"In our religion, a person who kills his wife or daughter, there is nothing more dishonorable," he testified.

But Shafia was heard condemning his dead children in wiretapped conversations played in court.

"May the devil defecate on their graves! This is what a daughter should be? Would a daughter be such a whore?" he said.

Hargey, the director of the Muslim Educational Centre, said violence was sometimes the result of painful transition.

"Muslims are in a state of flux," he said.

"They are between two worlds: the ancient world and the new technological age," he said. "Women are getting rights and the ability to choose their own spouses. The family in Canada didn't know how to respond to this: the conflict between the discipline of children and the new reality."

Irshad Manji, the author of "Allah, Liberty and Love: Courage to Reconcile Faith and Freedom," said there was another conflict at work in honor murders, a term CNN uses in preference to "honor killings" because the latter phrase does not properly describe the crime.

It is "a tribal tradition that emphasizes the family or the tribe or the community over the individual," she said.

Although the practice may not be Islamic, she said, not all Muslims understand the distinction.

"It is a problem within Islam because of how Muslims often confuse culture and religion," she said. "It's Muslims who have to learn to separate culture and religion. If we don't, Islam will continue to get the bad name that it gets."

But one vocal British campaigner against honor violence points out that not all the crimes are perpetrated by Muslims.

Jasvinder Sanghera, who was the victim of a forced marriage, is not Muslim; she is Sikh.

"Significant cases are happening within South Asian communities, be it Pakistani, Indian, Sikh, Muslim, Kurdish, Iranian, Middle Eastern communities," she said.

"And we have to recognize that because the statistics don't lie. I am not standing here trying to embarrass those communities. But equally, those communities should be ashamed because this is happening in their community and they are not taking a stand," she said.

On the other hand, honor murders are not a problem in Indonesia, which has the world's largest Muslim population.

"No such a practice can be found among Indonesian Muslims," said Azyumardi Azra, the director of the graduate school at the State Islamic University in Jakarta, Indonesia.

" 'Honor killing' is, I believe, a cultural problem among Arab and South Asian Muslims. I don't think that kind of practice has an Islamic basis," he said.

Although women and girls make up the overwhelming number of victims, there have been at least some male victims, including Ahmet Yildiz, a gay Turkish man whose fugitive father is the main suspect in his 2008 shooting death.

Britain has had about a dozen honor murders per year for the past several years, said Ghayasuddin Siddiqui of the Muslim Parliament of Great Britain.

He, too, said the crimes were not justified by Islam.

"This comes from tribal customs where the father - not both parents - see children as their property. A girl decides to marry somebody of whom their parents do not approve, and they conspire and find some way to kill and dispose of this body," he said. "This is a kind of misplaced shame that parents feel that their daughter has decided to marry somebody of her choosing, not theirs."

Britain's Crown Prosecution Service has an expert devoted to prosecuting honor-based violence, Nazir Afzal.

Convicting perpetrators can be difficult, he said.

"There is a wall of silence around this, and people are not prepared to talk," he said.

But Afzal insisted that it was "absolutely important that you bring every single person to justice because you want to deter other people from doing it."

And along with the Islamic scholars and human rights advocates, he rejected out of hand the idea that religion justified it.

"At the end of the day, murder is murder. There is no faith on Earth, no community on Earth that justifies this," he said.

"Abrahamic faiths say 'Thou shalt not kill,' " he pointed out. "At the end of the day, nobody should die for this."

CNN's Paula Newton, Atika Shubert, Bharati Naik, Ashley Hayes, Ivan Watson and Becky Anderson contributed to this report.

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Canada • Islam • Violence

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  1. Ali

    I like how everyone is ignoring the Armenian honor killing that happened in LA. IN Armenia over 300 women die due to 'family honor'. Armenia is 95% Christian with Christianity as the state religion. Arab Christians are notorious for honor killings as well but of course no western media outlet will look into that.

    BTW we've had 4 Sikh honor killings since 2005 in Canada. Of course since they're not Muslim no one is gonna blame them.

    To see Christian honor killings see the "Why Christianity is the Wrong path" blog.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
  2. Reality

    Islam gives women almost no rights and treats them like fodder for the male species as so bluntly noted by Aya-an Hi-rsi Ali in her autobiography, In-fidel.

    "Thus begins the extraordinary story of a woman born into a family of desert nomads, circu-mcised as a child, educated by radical imams in Kenya and Saudi Arabia, taught to believe that if she uncovered her hair, terrible tragedies would ensue. It's a story that, with a few different twists, really could have led to a wretched life and a lonely death, as her grandmother warned. But instead, Hi-rsi Ali escaped – and transformed herself into an internationally renowned spokeswoman for the rights of Muslim women."

    ref: Washington Post book review.

    some excerpts:

    "Some of the Saudi women in our neighborhood were regularly be-aten by their husbands. You could hear them at night. Their scre-ams resounded across the courtyards. "No! Please! By Allah!"

    "The Pakistanis were Muslims but they too had cas-tes. The Untou-chable girls, both Indian and Pakistani were darker skin. The others would not play with them because they were unt-ouchable. We thought that was funny because of course they were tou-chable: we to-uched them see? but also hor-rifying to think of yourself as un-touchable, des-picable to the human race."

    "Between October 2004 and May 2005, eleven Muslim girls were ki-lled by their families in just two regions (there are 20 regions in Holland). After that, people stopped telling me I was exa-ggerating."

    "The kind on thinking I saw in Saudi Arabia and among the Brotherhood of Kenya and Som-alia, is incompatible with human rights and liberal values. It preserves the feu-dal mind-set based on tr-ibal concepts of honor and shame. It rests on self-deception, hypro-cricy, and double standards. It relies on the technologial advances of the West while pretending to ignore their origin in Western thinking. This mind-set makes the transition to modernity very painful for all who practice Islam".

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    January 30, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
  3. gupsphoo

    Allah, just like Yahweh, is just another imaginary god invented by smart individuals (yes, I admit Muhammad was smart) to control gullible people.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
  4. Amit-Atlanta-USA

    Nadiya Khalife says

    "Jasvinder Sanghera, who was the victim of a forced marriage, is not Muslim; she is Sikh.

    I am not standing here trying to embarrass those communities. But equally, those communities should be ashamed because this is happening in their community and they are not taking a stand," she said.

    WONDER WHERE SHE GOT THAT FROM?

    The fact is honor killings amongst educated Hindus and Sikhs living in the west is almost unknown, it's RAMPANT in the Muslim community. Even in the rarest of rare event when this Sikh girl was killed by her relatives, the entire Sikh community condemned the perpetuators.

    With Muslims like Ms.Khalife there is no way this scourage will ever leave the Muslim community!

    January 30, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • JanetMermaid

      Sadly I agree with you. For those who deny that Islam is a dangerous religion (I used to be among you) take the time to read "Infidel" by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It will truly open your eyes to the realities of that religion - from someone raised in total immersion of its beliefs for many years.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Amit-Atlanta-USA

      What Nadiya Khalife says is NOTHING surprising given that even educate Muslim elite like Mr. Fareed Zakaria rarely ever address any issue within the Muslim community, without trying to tarnish other religious groups by painting them with the same brush!

      Again, with so-called educate elite like Ms. Khalife, and Mr. Zakaria it's only Muslims who will pay a huge price!

      January 30, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Study People

      You do know that when you talk about Islam, in most cases where we see their so called bizarre "Religious Behavior." You are talking about people who are living in 3rd World Countries. What you are expecting from people living in a Third World Country is asking a lot. For example...in Afghanistan, in many of the remote villages... They have no clue what a American Soldier is. All they know is some guys in uniforms, carrying weapons are fighting near their village. Some of the villages have no roads or trails connecting the next village. Our World does not exist to them. They have been living the same way for Centuries. Go back a couple Centuries in our Culture, and you will find the same behavior. Disguised as a Religious Teaching.....

      January 31, 2012 at 12:32 am |
    • Amit-Atlanta-USA

      @Study People:

      Ms.Khalife and Mr. Zakaria may be from third world countries. But they are both highly educated and live in the west. It's such people who arer NOT exactly helpful (to put it mildly!) in improving the image of Islam. Nobody really cares about the rhetoric of their Madarasa educated brethren in Af-Pak.

      Also as I said before honor killings. violence against women, even polygamy, forced marriages with first cousins are rampant in the Muslim communities RIGHT HERE in the west, particularly in the UK.

      January 31, 2012 at 8:04 am |
  5. Reality

    from the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi–

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him)
    alone."
    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

    January 30, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Reality

      A shorter version of the above:

      • There was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • There was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
  6. gupsphoo

    It doesn't really matter. Honor killings only happens within Muslims communities. Fix your religious adherents if you don't want them to give a bad name to your religion.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      And Honor Torture is in the realm of Christianity.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • gupsphoo

      Yes, O.S. Bird, Christianity is just as bad as Islam.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • gupsphoo

      @O.S. Bird – So why we don't here about Christians committing honor killings? My guess is that the West went through a period of enlightenment and scientific advancement I hope the Muslims would the same in the near future.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • gupsphoo

      @O.S. Bird – That's fine with me. Let's denounce both Islam and Christianity together.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • wasso

      Honor-killings related to caste differences are also fairly widespread amongst Hindus; especially in rural areas where the majority of people still live in India.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:01 am |
    • gupsphoo

      @O.S. Bird – so what if Christianity sucks. That doesn't meant Islam cant' suck as much as Christianity.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:04 am |
  7. wasso

    This is not a religion- sanctioned thing, just as the burqa or hijab aren't. These acts and practices are tribal, in some cases, pre-Islamic.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
  8. thes33k3r

    Just read the Koran. It is full of murderous, hate-filled dribble. The reader is reminded over a hundred times about how the infidels will be cast into the fire. Religion=Lies. Wake up and walk away.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      And the Christian Bible isn't?!? Try actually READING the books before you pronounce judgment.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • JusticePEACE4all

      Oh really?
      what verse, page number, chapter does that state in, may I ask?
      By the way, it's called the Quran, not Koran.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Al

      O.S. Bird,

      thes33k3r mentions the Koran because this article is about Islam. The "religion=lies" comment would seem to suggest that thes33k3r feels the same way about Christianity. Try actually READING the post before you pronounce judgment.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:05 am |
    • EdEd

      JusticePEACE4all

      Dude, you have no Quran.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:08 am |
  9. TommyTT

    The connection here isn't really between Islam and honor killings. It has more to do with that type of fundamentalism that oppresses part of the population (often women) and relies on violence and intimidation to maintain its dominance. We see this in outlying sects of many religions, including Christianity.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
  10. JAG0419

    I'm sick and tired of everybody comparing this to the sins of Christianity.
    Can you imagine a Christian mother and father telling one their daughters to murder her three brothers? It is no more absurd.
    When you put the shoes on the other feet sometimes you can see the vulgarity of it all.
    Stop comparing this to Christian absurdity. There is no comparison.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      What about Abraham? He was ready to kill his sone because God told him to. What's the difference?

      January 30, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • Scott from NH

      So Christians didn't murder each other in Northern Ireland? They didn't murder 6 million Jews during WWII? They didn't have 400 years of barbaric torture during the Inquisition? Look, every religion has nutjobs, but most Christians, like most Jews, most Muslims and most Hindus are kind and decent people who love their children and are just trying to live their lives.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • JAG0419

      Christian boys don't kill their sisters No comparison. What religion encourages brother to kill sister. Christianity? No.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:03 am |
    • RossTrex

      Scott – The holocaust was not sanctioned or advocated by the bible.. Hitler twisted his people into an irrational hatred of Jews blaming them for every bad thing. Germans killed jews not for God but for Hitler.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:08 am |
  11. jahfer

    TO NTI:
    iam not seeing reply button there..
    JIhad doesnt mean kill anyone you dislike. it means striving. but in the context of a war, as a part of defense you can fight against your enemies. there are thousand (maybe more) of sites against islam. they strip some words from here and there strip from context of war and paste it somewhere. could you come with the context and prove me that islam preached violent. It indeed suggests strong punishemnts for the guilty. but that was intense in teaching of Moses whom you maynot disagree if u are a christian or jew. eye 4 an eye and tooth for a tooth.
    Brother since you commented nicely I'll check for the references and learn about that. hope you will read some authentic Quran ic sources and read abt things of your interest with the commentary..
    peace be upon you

    January 30, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • RespectforAll

      well donee. spoken like a true, peaceful, and REAL muslim (:

      January 30, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
  12. Chris

    Hey, relax guy! Theeeeere's no tie between Islam and honor killiiings! Come on guy!

    January 30, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
  13. Maria

    If you want to come and live in the United States don't expect others to assimilate to your way of life. Why would they come here if they want to live by their own rules? Why not stay where you are born instead of coming to the West which is full of infidels? Roosevelt said it best, if you come to this country then you have to assimilate to our way of life.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • Scott from NH

      They didn't come here.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
  14. TC Williams

    The fact that this obscure news out of Canada is making it on the front pages of American news websites is ridiculous and quite telling. The Sun News Network, which is essentially Canada's Fox News wing, has had this plastered on their website non-stop, reporting on every obscure detail from the trial for the past several months as if this is the ONLY / most important thing happening in Canada.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • Maria

      When it happened here it was all over the new as well.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
  15. O.S. Bird

    In the Christian bible it's black and white that Killing is Cool:
    I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

    He even wants the unborn to suffer. Now, how can a Christian criticize another religion for much of anything?

    January 30, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
  16. Nostalgie

    One. Jesus never spoke anything about going to war with afghanistan,two don't forget what saddam hussien did to his own people,three I'm sorry but did we fly jets into your buildings? NO. we drop bombs and paradrop tanks on your soil. And the innocent civilian bull crap won't work cause you all throw rocks or rocket proppelled grenades at us.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      They ALL fire RPGs at us? Grannies? Babies? Quardraplegics? Pthbbbt!

      January 30, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • nostalgie

      they'd strap c-4 on the babies and the rest.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • Scott from NH

      Nostalgie, you are conveniently omitting the following facts: 1) They had no WMD, Al Qaeda or terrorists before we invaded. Shiites and Sunnis lived in mixed neighborhoods without blast walls and Christians served at the highest levels of government. 2) W was told by many experts that he needed a "plan for the peace" and instead he fired the Government, Police and Army leaving a massive vacuum. The blood of the million dead civilians who died in this war are on W's hands and I'm certain that in time history will judge him no differently than Hitler, Pol Pot or Stalin.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:45 pm |
    • JusticePEACE4all

      You're going to compare Saddam Hussien w/ Jesus?!
      Somebody who obviously has NOTHING to do w/ the Islamic faith and who obviously did not follow the religion correctly because it clearly states" Thou shalt not kill" which makes Saddam not a correct follower of the religion... you're going compare him to Jesus? Okay, let's compare Hitler to Jesus.

      January 31, 2012 at 12:12 am |
  17. careworn

    If this man arranged to have his daughter and wife killed for the "honour" of his family, surely this means his neighbours, in some way let it be known they disapproved of his children's behaviour and expected him to act as if he was back in Afghanistan. The difficulty is deterring this unspoken incitement to commit murder.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  18. Scott from NH

    I'm Jewish but have dozens of Muslim friends and have been to Muslim nations in Southeast Asia, South Asia, the Middle East and North Africa. I've spoken to hundreds of Muslims and not once have I ever met one who thought honor killings were anything other than barbaric. The percentage of Muslims who believe this is acceptable is mind numingly small.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • Scott from NH

      ooops, numbingly

      January 30, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
    • RespectforAll

      well spoken! 🙂

      January 30, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
  19. NTI

    Jesus vs Muhammad:

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm

    January 30, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • jlew

      why the vs.?

      January 30, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Emad

      That is actually funnyfor muslims because we believe that jesus and Mohammed have the same message and both are great prophets of the one and only one God so there is no this verus that. May Allah guide you to islam – Submission and surrender to the Al-mighty Allah.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
  20. jahfer

    not to hurt anyone..
    I am a muslim. I strongly oppose these acts.
    its the time to think and read and think abt islam. The commentators you are doing well for that.Thankyou guys. But you have to move a bit further. read Quran without prejudgement.
    But these kind of acts are not only among muslims. your brain is washed with CCN and FOX detergents. How many see srilankan mass killing of LTTES as budhists terrorism? Serbias ethnic cleansing as christian? Mass murdering and atrocities in India and nepal by maoists and naxalites as hindu terrorism? Chaos in christian majority african countries? Dont forget what you are doing in iraq and afgan. How many people you killed altogether in world wars. ohhh! it was islamic terrorism right? And what abt the colonial period. ohh! we people were slaves then. so can do anything. When you will understand that this has got nothing with the religion. Anybody remembered the words of jesus in your war with afgan? around 2/3 rds killed are civilians mostly children. I know you can somehow justify your act. But this is the hightime to think. lets do justice first and see the world after that. start condemning muslims and islam after that.

    January 30, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • NTI

      Yes there are lots of terrible things that happened in the history. The question you need to ask is if the things you mentioned are sanctioned by their religion.

      http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Jesus-Muhammad.htm

      January 30, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • NTI

      And, hey by the way Muslims did fight in the World War II along with the Hitler. And don't forget the Armenian genocide by Turks.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Maria

      Don't forget the Greek genocide by the Turks.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • RespectforAll

      @NTI dont forget that the person who started the Holocaust was NOT a muslim. Y are you bringing hatred to the world? What good does that do you? Hitler was christian, but he killed more than 12 million people. that doesnt mean u blame Christianity. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc are all peaceful religions. its the people that don't act accordingly. Don't judge an entire civilization or religion based off a few people's actions.

      January 30, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • JusticePEACE4all

      "Maria" - don't forget the Germans genocide of the Jewish people.
      What religion exactly were the Germans? Protestant CHRISTIAN and Catholic, right?
      Why wasn't Christianity blamed as a religion for that? But it leaned more toward the "race".
      How about the KKK... what religion are they? Protestant... yeah..... Self-explanatory
      Ignorance is a sad thing.....

      January 31, 2012 at 12:09 am |
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