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January 31st, 2012
11:48 PM ET

Inside a Scientology center

The Church of Scientology opened its newest facility. KOVR reports.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: California • Church • Scientology • United States

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  1. Mr. M

    I wonder who the architect is. They did a beautiful job. It is so light inside–not what you'd expect from the exterior.

    February 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
  2. Erwin

    I consider myself a modern annthropologist - whenever I hear of something new that's catching on, I like to research and learn more about it. Scientology is a relatively new religion and it has caught on quite well, it seems that more and more people are getting attracted to this applied religious philosophy. What's surprising though is the real Scientology is not really reflected accurately in many public forums. It is a body of beliefs that gives one tools to deal with issues of past memories, difficulties in learning, professionalism in the work place, running a business, having a successful marriage, and even just communicating in a better way to your peers and colleagues. I've spoken to a few people who swear by it, and they have nothing but great testimonies on how Scientology has helped them. Advice to those who haven't consulted the right sources - don't jump on the negative bandwagon. Research for yourself from the ones who actually are in the church. A good place to start is scientology.org.

    February 1, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Jabberwobby

      What a levelheaded approach to a controversial topic. Good advice

      February 1, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > I consider myself a modern annthropologist – whenever I hear of something new that's catching on, I like to research and learn more about it.

      That's not what anthropology is. You may want to look up words before you use them. Clearly you need to clear your words.

      > Scientology is a relatively new religion and it has caught on quite well, it seems that more and more people are getting attracted to this applied religious philosophy.

      Actually, numbers are decreasing. You'd know this if you had bothered to look at the census information. However, you're not really interested in what's actually occuring, what you're interested in is posting the company line.

      > What's surprising though is the real Scientology is not really reflected accurately in many public forums.

      Yes, because it's fairly small and doesn't affect many people. Those who do know of it have no real fear of it spreading because of how silly and stupid it's teachings are.

      > It is a body of beliefs that gives one tools to deal with issues of past memories, difficulties in learning, professionalism in the work place, running a business, having a successful marriage, and even just communicating in a better way to your peers and colleagues.

      It's also a foundation of aliens, past lives, controling inanimate objects, irrational hatred of psychology and the government. It's also about making ridiculous claims and not bothering to prove them via experimentation. What's funny is that Scientology rags on psychology all the time, yet psychology proves things. Scientology has never proven any aspect of what they say, even for things that are easily proven!

      > I've spoken to a few people who swear by it, and they have nothing but great testimonies on how Scientology has helped them.

      I've spoken to people who swear by Kim Jong Il and swear he was the best leader North Korea ever had. Reality and what people think are two different things. Of course, you'd know this if you were a rational individual. Then again, if you were rational, you wouldn't be a scientologist.

      > Advice to those who haven't consulted the right sources – don't jump on the negative bandwagon. Research for yourself from the ones who actually are in the church. A good place to start is scientology.org.

      Yes, you should go to that site. You should also google operation clambake and go to the xenutv channels on youtube. You see, rational and sane people look at both sides of an issue, not just one. I've read the scientology website and quite frankly, it's not honest about what it's books are or what they teach. It's almost like they're trying to trick people into coming in.

      Oh, they should also read the first hand accounts of people who are critical of scientology too. To see what their points of view are. Books like "My Billion Year Contract" are excellent for outlying what acctually occurs in scientology.

      February 1, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • Nonimus

      "It is a body of beliefs that gives one tools to deal with issues of past memories, ..."
      What exactly are those beliefs and tools? Alien souls and galvanometers?

      February 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Mary Baker Eddy's book, Science & Health With Key to the Scriptures, is full of testimonials from people who say that she healed them through the power of prayer.
      Christian Science is still 10 pounds of bullsh1t in a 5 pound bag.
      Never underestimate the power of a placebo!

      February 1, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  3. Theo

    So do you guys read through the rest of the 'belief blog'? To put things into perspective, you've got stories about people blowing other people up in the name of salvation. That seems pretty ludicrous to me. A church opening is good news because even if you don't subscribe to the philosophy a religious presence usually does a community good. New buildings usually attract more people which helps the local economy. Social programs to prevent drug use, gang violence et doesn't hurt. THe building was entirely restored..a good look for the area where it resides.

    February 1, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Erwin

      So true. A church opening like this can only be good for the community.

      February 1, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > So true. A church opening like this can only be good for the community.

      Unless it's socially destructive. Which it is.

      February 3, 2012 at 7:57 am |
  4. Jabberwobby

    Love it. Restoring historical landmarks in downtown and doing such a beautiful job of it seems to be their specialty. And this one is Gold LEED. That's impressive.

    February 1, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Trista

      Anyone who has been to downtown Sac in the last 10 years is jumping for joy. More power to the church for moving in and invigorating the economy. This is such a sad thread. The bigots are out in droves. I don't care what someone believes as long as there're good people

      February 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Anyone who has been to downtown Sac in the last 10 years is jumping for joy.

      I've been to downtown sacremento. I'm not jumping for joy. What does your organization say about generalizations again there Trista?

      > More power to the church for moving in and invigorating the economy.

      If scientology actually pays it's contractors. Which they don't.

      > This is such a sad thread. The bigots are out in droves. I don't care what someone believes as long as there're good people

      Anyone who disagrees with my faith is a bigot. The calling card of the weak minded. The reality here is that scientology is a nutbar religion which makes asinine claims that are demonstratably untrue. Not only that, they violate the human rights they claim to support by imprisoning people and attempting to break up families when a member decides to leave the churhc.

      And let's not forget forcing women to get abortions so they can continue to work for the organization.

      For a faith that is supposed to give you untold ability, why do they have to rely on such shoddy and crappy ways of dealing with people? Why is it that they are unable to succeed and are right behind druids or wiccans for total religion population.

      Why is it that they can't manage to be bigger then they are, if everyone there is so much better?

      The answer is because they're not. They've only convinced themselves they are, because thinking that the faith might be wrong is too much for them to confront.

      February 3, 2012 at 8:02 am |
  5. Ken D

    This is amazing news. I am so happy for the Scientologists in Sacramento and for the entire community that will inevitably be served. The building is beautiful and rooms are available for community leaders outside of Scientology, to use for their good works. Anyone who so desires can find real information on the principles of Scientology can do so by visiting the church. There you will find people from all walks of life, eager to live their best lives and make a positive impact on their community. Sunday services are open to all and anyone with additional questions can ask at the public information center. If you're not close to a church, there are many free courses online that anyone can take, from basic communication to stress management.

    February 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      They're not being served. They're paying for a product.

      Second of all, the product they're paying for is deomonstratably wrong.

      Third, the organization has chosen to deny people their human rights and prevents them from leaving by having them escorted by guards.

      Telling people to "come in and learn for themselves" as a response to criticism makes as much sense as saying "Don't pay attention to all the negative informaiton. Talk to a drug dealer to discover drugs for yourself."

      February 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Bizarre

      You might be better served at a Sacramento meet-up of The Brights.

      http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/bright-side/content?oid=1468499

      I wonder if the Scientology folks will let them meet at their center?

      February 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Evan

      Wow The Bobinator, negative outlook on life much? I sincerely hope that improves for you so that you can spend the majority of your time improving your life and others, rather than attacking them anonymously on the interwebs. Additionally, you are lacking a few key facts regarding Human Rights and The Church of Scientology. 1) The Church of Scientology is one of the key drivers of 'The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.' The grand daughter of Eleanor Roosevelt, who drove the creation of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, has spoken at church events of the Church's humanitarian and altruistic efforts in this area. Who should I believe, you? Or the grand daughter of the woman who made the Universal Declaration of Human rights a reality? See more: HumanRights . com

      February 1, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Wow The Bobinator, negative outlook on life much?

      Not at all.

      > I sincerely hope that improves for you so that you can spend the majority of your time improving your life and others, rather than attacking them anonymously on the interwebs.

      I am helping people. I'm trying to prevent them from getting scammed and being tricked into believing nonsense. Which is what LRH wrote. Nonsense.

      > Additionally, you are lacking a few key facts regarding Human Rights and The Church of Scientology.

      > 1) The Church of Scientology is one of the key drivers of 'The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.' The grand daughter of Eleanor Roosevelt, who drove the creation of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, has spoken at church events of the Church's humanitarian and altruistic efforts in this area. Who should I believe, you? Or the grand daughter of the woman who made the Universal Declaration of Human rights a reality?

      Are you kidding me? Really? This is your best argument?

      There are two key issues with your statement. First of all, lineage from a great person does not make for a convincing argument. So what if someone's granddaughter speaks at scientology? She's either right or wrong. She's either doing good stuff or not. Her lineage has no impact on the reality of the situation. For someone who's supposed to be better then us WOGs, you sure can't seem to rationally examine your arguments.

      Second of all, being part of a good organizaiton, doesn't mean you're telling the truth or that you're a good organizaiton. Heck, the hells angels gave toys out to children.

      Your arguments are laughable and what I'd expect from a 14 year old child. I would honestly suggest you spend some time learning about logic and how to think rationally.

      See more: HumanRights . com

      February 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  6. Germaine P.

    I may check out the church pretty soon. I live in the area, and have always been curious about Scientology. I've read a bit of Dianetics and wanna learn more.

    February 1, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      If you want to learn more about scientology I'd suggest looking that the churches' resources and critic's resources. Look at both and then make a decision.

      For me, scientology is nothing but a scam that targets the mentally stunted people in this world. They're told that the reason they're different and not fitting in is because they're actually way better then everyone else. Which is nonsense.

      I'm sorry, but to believe that auditing will improve a physical trait such as eyesight or prevent you from becoming sick, or prevent you from having accidents is insane. That's what scientology teaches. And that's what it charges you thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) for.

      February 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
  7. Tara

    This is a great indicator that democracy and religious freedom are alive in America - "the land of the free, and the home of the brave." Different religions can flourish, from Christianity, Buddhism, Mormonism and Scientology, or even the lack of belief in it such as agnosticism and atheism. I'm an immigrant and where I come from, people are either Catholic or non-Catholic Christian. It is great to live in a country where you are not born into what you're supposed to believe; at the ripe adult age, you are free to choose the religion/ideology/political inclination that you feel is the best for you.

    February 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Eve

      Right on, Tara! This is such an Important aspect of living in the United States of America. FREEDOM!

      February 1, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Jabberwobby

      Agreed

      February 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Freedom is great...
      unless it violates copyrights, huh?

      February 1, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      Walk up to a rabbi and ask "Who was Moses", he'll tell you.
      Walk up to a priest and ask "Who was Jesus", he'll tell you.
      Walk up to a Imam and ask "Who was Muhammad", he'll tell you.
      Walk up to a scientologist and ask "what is OT6" and he'll tell you for 250,000 dollars.

      February 3, 2012 at 8:08 am |
  8. Believer

    I'm always amazed at how many atheists read these articles on religion. Looking for something???

    February 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • I Don't Get It

      Believer,

      And exactgly what are Christians doing here on a Scientology article?

      February 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • ReligionIs4Dolts

      Yeah, looking for a LAUGH! Like when lunatic religious freaks claim that dinosaurs coexisted with humans! HA HA! The Flintstones was a reality TV show! The Creation Museum in KY is FACTUAL! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

      February 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Mr. M

      Oh really? You have to be Christian to be religious? Did you really mean to say that?

      February 1, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Jessie

      A lot of us are very interested in religion. As interested as vegans are in slaughterhouses. πŸ˜‰

      February 2, 2012 at 8:17 am |
  9. Megia

    The church looks like more than I would have imagined, scientology's a bit of a mystery to me, it also makes me think about the entire Mitt Romney Mormon controversy and the larger issue of new vs. old religions. Is it time alone that makes religions legitimate? Or, is it the actions of a religion? It seems to me its the former, for example, christianity/catholisism and islam have been around a very long time and they are accepted, while at the same time, their actions have been associated with horrendous atrocities over time, still, because they've been around so long, people accept them it seems. Whereas, mormonism and scientology are new, and although they have not had any atrocities anywhere equal to christian crusades, missionary actions that have eradicated entire races, the inquisition, etc.., they are not yet accepted in the same way. It will be interesting to see how big an issue Mitt Romney's mormon religion is during the rest of the campaign and while president if elected.

    February 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Ken D

      Thank you for this. It's amazing to think that bigotry can exist with such fervor in this day and age. In a world where we have access to so much information, fear still presents itself in a harsh inability to allow people basic freedoms without condemnation. I do believe this will be quite an interesting race indeed.

      February 1, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Nonimus

      It's interesting that an organization that stresses precise definitions so much could play so loose with the word "religion". Surely, they have a dictionary or two in that new "church". πŸ˜‰

      February 1, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Thank you for this. It's amazing to think that bigotry can exist with such fervor in this day and age.

      Criticism is not bigotry. When will you people learn this. Look up the words. Clear them. Let me provide you an example...

      "The teachings of scientology contradict known science and are therefore false." <- Criticism
      "Scientology is full of morons and I'd have nothing to do with them." In a world where we have access to so much information, fear still presents itself in a harsh inability to allow people basic freedoms without condemnation.

      You are free to believe anything you want. I'm also free to mock you for being a moron. That's the nature of freedom. You don't get this special shield that protects you from being mocked because you believe in a religion that has an alien overlord bringing people to earth in planes with rocket engines, placing them around volcanos and then blowing them up. As if that wasn't bad enough, these aliens released souls that were caught, put into boxes and taken to theatres where they're convinced of a false reality so that they wouldn't return and be trapped on earth.

      That's f'ing nuts. That's so far beyond any reasonable thought that it's comical. I do believe this will be quite an interesting race indeed.

      It doesn't matter to me what you believe because you've demonstrated that you're not interested in truth. You're interested in believing whatever makes you feel good. <- Criticism.

      February 3, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • The Bobinator

      I apologize for the typo. This is how it's supposed to read.

      "Scientology is full of morons and I'd have nothing to do with them." In a world where we have access to so much information, fear still presents itself in a harsh inability to allow people basic freedoms without condemnation.

      February 3, 2012 at 8:14 am |
  10. Mina

    Glad to see that the Church of Scientology is expanding in Sacramento. Scientology always does a good job in restoring old buildings, like they did in Ybor Square recently. I've heard that they've put up churches in Tel Aviv, Pretoria and Hamburg recently too. This is great for the communty and a wonderful addition to an already great city.

    February 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      I'm not. It means the stupidity of scientology may be spread to another set of people.

      I mean, for f's sake, you can prove scientology wrong. It's not hard. Test people's IQ before and after becoming clear. See if OT's have more resistance to getting sick in lab conditions.

      Scientology is a scam and it's for stupid people. I'm sorry, but if you haven't figured out that it's a bunch of nonsense, you're a knob.

      February 1, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  11. ReligionIs4Dolts

    Who the h&ll believes in stupid religions made up by these lunatics? I mean it's either:
    (1) a science-fiction/self-help author
    (2) a self-acclaimed guru bent on leading his followers to mass suicide
    (3) a power hungry individual or cabal of leaders bent on controlling the masses by fear
    (4) ignorant ancient people with no concept of science, who therefore need to invent gap-filling magic men to fill the vacuous expanses of their supersti-tious, primitive knowledge, who go into the mountains ALONE to talk to their alleged "god" with no independent means of verification, who go into these moments of "epiphany" after having fasted for days, or in a schizophrenic fit (either way they're hallucinating!)

    Religion only works because the stupid human mind is SO SUGGESTIBLE! Once the stupid FOLLOWER gets an idea in his/her stupid brain, he/she can't let it go. This is why advertising works! This is the same mechanism used by mass-manipulating corporations.

    February 1, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Ran

      First of all, just to clarify, if you think human beings are stupid....that would include you too correct, or do you percieve yourself as superior to mankind?
      Secondly, just because you cannot find justification for something, it's not proof that it doesn't exist. Just because you have decided to close your mind and heart to the fact that God (not religion) exists, you cannot make God non-existant. It reminds me of a cartoon of twins in their mother's womb and one is saying to the other, 'I don't believe Mom exists, because I can't see her." So while being protected, fed, nurtured by his mother in her womb, the boy doesn't believe she exists. Why? Just because he with his tiny, molecular still unevolved brain and reasoning cannot justify she exists. We are like a tiny dot in this huge complex universe that God created, of course you can't understand God or scientifically prove His existence. You can only believe He exists and He will show you in a way only you can understand that He is the Creator of all.
      I never had to go on a mountain, fast or whatever for God to meet me. He met me in a way that I understand to be true. And He will and can do that for all who open up their hearts to seek Him. I'm not asking you to believe, but at least give it a try before you flatly deny its existence.

      February 1, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Jessie

      Ran
      "Secondly, just because you cannot find justification for something, it's not proof that it doesn't exist."
      No, but it's solid ground to be very skeptical of it's existence. How rational is it to have 100% belief in something to which there is zero evidence? There are millions of believers who claim to be 100% sure that God exists despite the lack of evidence, but I doubt that there are many atheists who wouldn't concede that there is at least a slim chance that they might be wrong. Most of us can imagine a day when evidence will surface and we will have to change our position, as in keeping with the spirit of science, but how many true believers can even imagine evidence that could convince them otherwise if it existed? No, many proudly claim that nothing will EVER shake their faith, indicating that their minds are already tightly closed. There's the difference!

      February 2, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • jimtanker

      @ Ran

      It is all well and good that you have deluded yourself into believing something that you have no evidence for but when people start using those beliefs to encroach on the rights of others is when most of us start having problems.

      February 2, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • The Bobinator

      > First of all, just to clarify, if you think human beings are stupid....that would include you too correct, or do you percieve yourself as superior to mankind?

      He's talking about believers as opposed to all mankind. He said mankind has minds that are are prone to being tricked.

      > Secondly, just because you cannot find justification for something, it's not proof that it doesn't exist. Just because you have decided to close your mind and heart to the fact that God (not religion) exists, you cannot make God non-existant.

      You're 100% correct. God either exists or doesn't exist. My belief or non belief will not change this. But it doesn't change the fact that you're a fool if you believe things without evidence. You can only make decisions based on what you know, not on what really is. If you're going to accept concepts simply because "they haven't been disproven", you're put in the position of holding contradictory positions.

      For example:
      There is no proof Jesus was the son of God. Jesus claimed to be the son of God. <- You must believe this.
      There is no proof Mohammed was a prophet of God. Mohammed claimed Jesus wasn't the son of God. It reminds me of a cartoon of twins in their mother's womb and one is saying to the other, 'I don't believe Mom exists, because I can't see her." So while being protected, fed, nurtured by his mother in her womb, the boy doesn't believe she exists. Why? Just because he with his tiny, molecular still unevolved brain and reasoning cannot justify she exists.

      Actually, he can see the womb of the mother. That's why your comparison fails.

      > We are like a tiny dot in this huge complex universe that God created, of course you can't understand God or scientifically prove His existence. You can only believe He exists and He will show you in a way only you can understand that He is the Creator of all.

      More irrational nonsense. So because you can't know that he doesn't exist you'll believe he does. That's just stupid, I'm sorry.

      > I never had to go on a mountain, fast or whatever for God to meet me. He met me in a way that I understand to be true. And He will and can do that for all who open up their hearts to seek Him. I'm not asking you to believe, but at least give it a try before you flatly deny its existence.

      How do you know God met you and you're just not crazy? Or imagining it because you really want it to be true?

      If you can't do that, then you have no reason to believe it's so. It could be a totally different feeling that you're labeling as "God."

      February 3, 2012 at 8:26 am |
  12. Bob

    Engrams, memes, whatever – humbug.

    February 1, 2012 at 9:57 am |
  13. Doc Vestibule

    I used to live down the street from a Scientology centre and sat for an e-meter reading.
    You answer loads of questions while they interpret the "high tech" box and in the end, tell you that you're unfulfilled.
    It's like Kierkergaard's belief that anyone without God is miserable, even if they think they're really happy.
    Ignoring for a moment the dangrous stuff like denying the efficacy of psychiatry and fleecing fools out of their time, money and relationships with non-scientologists, some of it is really funny.
    They try to present Hubbard as a war hero – when his service record is anything but exemplary!
    He stole a machine gun, didn't pay for his uniform, and opened fire on a Mexican island for no reason.
    His superiors found him "unfit for any assignment" and said he was "tempermental – often had his feelings hurt".
    They show pictures of him in his impressive uniform – full of fake medals! They claim he earned almost 30 – but in reality he only received 4 minor ones. Certainly not the Purple Heart, as they claim.
    They say he served on one boat that doesn't exist at all and another that was decomissioned when he was 7 years old.

    So many easily debunked falsehoods are right in front of those who go through the auditing process – and yet they still somehow manage to fleece folk into hading over their lives.

    February 1, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Al

      Remember the "Swift Boat" garbage from 8 years ago? There is no limit to how easily people can swallow just what they want to hear.

      February 1, 2012 at 10:27 am |
  14. JohnQuest

    What does it say about a believer of a "Religion" that was started by a Sci-Fi Writer? Or maybe I just don't get it?

    February 1, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • SeanNJ

      This should clear things up: 2000 years ago, sci-fi writers were called "prophets."

      February 1, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Observer

      Sic-fi writers, when they are bad (and they often are), should meet the same fate as prophets. Particularly the ones that plug the work of Immanuel Velikovsky.

      February 1, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • Al

      β€œIf you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.” L. Ron Hubbard

      February 1, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Mike

      Hey John, its a belief system. Buddha was an unemployed wanderer. Christ was an unemployed carpenter. So what? They all were people that wanted to share ideas with others that might make their lives better.

      February 1, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      There is a pagan group called The Church of All Worlds who base their beliefs on the Robert Heinlein book "Stranger in a Strange Land".
      Their founder, Oberon Zell-Ravenheart, tried to engage Heinlein, but he simply wished them well and distanced himself.
      It seems Mr. Zell-Ravenheart and his primary wife Morning Glory must have missed the part in the novel that says you have to learn to speak Martian in order to attain enlightenment....

      February 1, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • SeanNJ

      @Doc Vestibule: You have to eat the dead as well, don't you? Been a long time since I read it.

      February 1, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Sean
      Yep. When a martian "discoropates", his friends and family make of meal of him in order to Grok his essence.
      In case you haven't noticed all the times I quote him, I'm a huge Heinlein fan! I'm reading Red Planet to my kid as a bedtime story.
      I'm also an unabashed nerd and had a t-shirt printed that says "I Grok Spock".

      February 1, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Doc,
      Excellent book!
      I've heard those imaginary languages are really hard to learn, too.

      February 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Jessie

      Mike
      "They all were people that wanted to share ideas with others that might make their lives better."
      But then people took their memory and started to make them into figures that they were not; more than human. That's where the problem began. Self-help gurus are OK, but when we make them into gods then people use it as license to do and claim outrageous things.

      February 2, 2012 at 8:14 am |
  15. Jessie

    The "E Meter" in the video looks about as cutting edge as the Atari my brother got for his eighth birthday, and he just turned 40! Maybe they should write an app for that if they want to attract anyone any younger.

    February 1, 2012 at 8:20 am |
  16. AtheistSteve

    Scientology is an extra special brand of idiocy. That's not to say that any of the other faiths have any more credibility. The fact that people buy into this 'religion' merely demonstrates just how common gullibility is and that belief in just about any crazy thing without a shred of evidence is possible.

    Xenu is watching you...Be afraid...Be very afraid!

    February 1, 2012 at 8:07 am |
    • captain america

      I know what you mean,some ass holes think canadian opinion is worth something to US .There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • The Bobinator

      > I know what you mean,some ass holes think canadian opinion is worth something to US .There's your sign

      Oh no, the mentally retarded are trying to troll!

      Seriously dude, you need to work on your trolling. I mean, you're like mega bad. Trolling is an art form and needs walk the fine line between being believed and being absolutely stupid and offensive.

      By the way, even if you were good, why are you trolling on CNN, I mean, issues of faith are the shi* tier of trolling. It's like posting racist stuff on rap websites. All too easy and no effort.

      Work on your trolling, I'm embarrassed for you.

      February 1, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @CA: Religion of any form is international. The USA does business internationally and CNN is an international website you dolt!!! Have you yet to clue in that we are not going anywhere no matter how stupid you continue to make yourself look? At this point we can only as.sume that you are of a teenage mind set and have no life or education.

      February 1, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • The Bobinator

      Looks like you got one Captain.

      February 1, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • captain america

      We had bobinator described before he posted, that would be prophecy, either a canadian or canadian lackey. There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • captain america

      looks like three ass holes from where we sit. There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • The Bobinator

      > looks like three ass holes from where we sit. There's your sign

      Y u mad tho?

      February 1, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • captain america

      call em as we see em no emotion involved .There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  17. The Bobinator

    Scientology is a huge scam that needs to be taken down. There's no truth to it, they can't even defend their claims, such as "clears" not getting sick or not having accidents. Or how Dianetics is supposed to improve your eyesight. Rubbish.

    But there is good news. Scientology is dying. The reason is because the internet is spreading information about this dangerous and false religion. The reality is that Hubbard was a con man and that everyone in scientology now is his victim.

    And if that wasn't bad enough, here's a king sized helping of crazy from LRH...

    ======================================================================================

    Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

    Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

    Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).

    These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

    The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

    After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".

    When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

    As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xemu is still alive today.

    ======================================================================================

    I mean, seriously? You can believe whatever you want, but I can also believe that people who think this are true are either crazy, retarded or a little of both.

    February 1, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • Jessie

      Read Revelation and tell me it's any saner!

      February 1, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • The Bobinator

      Well, there's the chance that revalation is metaphorical. There's no chance the Xenu story is. But then again, the Xenu story is contained within the natural universe and revelation is not. Hrm.

      February 1, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • ReligionIs4Dolts

      HA HA! The rocket planes looked like DC8's! Not an Enterprise or a Millenium Falcon or anything with more imagination....just a mere bucket of an old-fashioned DC8 plane! HA HA!

      February 1, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • Al

      ReligionIs4Dolts
      L. Ron may have been a prolific science fiction writer, but nobody could accuse him of being one of the more gifted ones. I remember reading Battlefield Earth and thinking that the "good" part ended a third of the way through. The other 600 pages were just completely unnecessary to the story. A holdover from his days of getting 2 cents a word for his work, I suppose.

      February 1, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • been there done that prayer works

      Read Revelation, challenging but understandable and timelessly accurate.Lack of understanding is not insanity.

      February 1, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Jessie

      been there done that prayer works
      Revelation is challenging, but only really understandable within the context of the second century audience it was intended for. It's silly to think of it as "timelessly accurate", foretelling future events.

      February 2, 2012 at 8:06 am |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 1, 2012 at 5:53 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      blah blah blah...it's all we see when we see this post

      February 1, 2012 at 6:55 am |
    • captain america

      We see a butt in canadian with less brains than an American gopher. There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 7:49 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @CA: When your country stops bringing its companies to my country and stops being the driving force behind most of the world's economic issues, I will stop having a say but until then I will work for the American Company as I have been employed to do and will ask that you stop being so god damn ignorant. CNN employ's 2 Canadian's, is seen internationally on tv and as this website well proves it is an International station. Your country owns a great many businesses that are not directly within it...making your countries business everyone's business!

      February 1, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • captain america

      There is a sh it plant on the border that employs two canadians too it doesn"t mean we want them dumping their crap on US. There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • Nope

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      February 1, 2012 at 8:10 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      The prayers of a righteous man avails much

      February 1, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • Nope

      "Prayer changes things
      The prayers of a righteous man avails much"

      Thanks for proving that people like you will make a "desperate effort to confirm their beliefs." LOL!

      February 1, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Jessie

      Nope
      People have faith in lucky rabbit's feet and wishing wells too, which are about as effective as prayer.

      February 1, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @CA: Jealousy of our country is unhealthy!!

      February 1, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • captain america

      We rule the world and demand all resources as fair tribute we do not envy third world nations we loot them. There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @CA: Oops wrong loser...our countries credit rating is triple 'A'...go back to FAUX (aka FOX)

      February 1, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • Joe Bobbit

      @captain america
      Why does the nation with the most powerful military in history have trouble subduing even third-world countries? All talk, no action!

      February 1, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • captain america

      Did you miss shock and awe? There's your sign

      February 1, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Joe Bobbit

      @captain america
      Too bad you didn't finish off Sadam then, when you had the chance. Lame!

      February 2, 2012 at 8:22 am |
  19. Dean Fox

    How much more scientologist donations must the ecclesiastical leader of the church of scientology, David Miscavige, waste on grand palaces that will be empty of followers before the donors wake up to just how chubby David Miscavige is getting of their donations?

    February 1, 2012 at 5:32 am |
    • UMight

      Hey Dean, I'm a Scientologist, and I like many, are happy and proud that my church now has beautiful, inspiring, state of the art, and welcoming churches to share with the world via my donations! Scientology rocks. Try it for yourself.

      February 1, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      > Hey Dean, I'm a Scientologist, and I like many, are happy and proud that my church now has beautiful, inspiring, state of the art, and welcoming churches to share with the world via my donations! Scientology rocks. Try it for yourself.

      Scientology is a scam where they teach you things as fact when they're easily proven wrong by science. For example, if you read history of man, read the clam story.

      February 3, 2012 at 8:31 am |
  20. sam

    ::goes blind from horror::

    February 1, 2012 at 4:25 am |
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