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February 1st, 2012
10:51 AM ET

Islamist or Islamic?

(CNN)–CNN's Erin Burnett examines two recent cases of violence against women. Were they the product of religion or culture? Is there a difference?

In this video essay Burnett discusses her own experiences in the Middle East and speaks to an awarding-winning journalist, Deborah Scroggins, the author of "Wanted Women: Faith, Lies & The War on Terror," to try and answer the question "Islamic or Islamist?"

Read more about the issue of "honor murders" here and here on the Belief Blog.

And don't miss all the latest on Burnett's show from the Out Front Blog.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Culture wars • Islam • Islamic law • Quran

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  1. Muneef

    For easy reference

    Quran & Logic_Part I – The Source of Quran

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCtqazfyMDs&feature=youtube_gdata_player
     

     The Second Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part II – The challenge

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxLihN1vjFk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
      
    The Third Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part III: The renewable Miracle

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sme2X3xFcc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    February 2, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
  2. Muneef

    Would like to share with you the following received;

    What proves that the Qur'an is the Word of God? What proves that the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not write it?
    This claim was studied and analyzed carefully in
     http://Rasoulallah.net
    The answer to such claim is divided into two parts:
    Logical answer and scientific answer.
    Both aspects of logic and science are the qualities that combine and distinguish humans.

    In the following videos we address those who disagree through rational and scientific methods can be found at ; http://Rasoulallah.net

    The First Video:
    Quran & Logic_Part I – The Source of Quran

    The Second Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part II – The challenge
      
    The Third Video:
    The Quran & Logic _Part III: The renewable Miracle

    February 2, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  3. Zia Shah

    Islam teaches equal rights for men and women and advises believers to deal with their spouses compassionately and kindly. The Quran says: 'They are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them.' (2:188) The Prophet Muhammad, may peace be on him, addressed women as crystals, who need to be handled with care. In another Hadith he said that paradise lies beneath the feet of the mothers and yet at another occasion he said the best among the believers is one who treats his wife the best!

    February 2, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  4. dawood

    Thank you Erin Burnett. As a Muslim I am amazed at how on the point you are. Islam in its roots is founded in its instruction to gain knowledge and you are precisely correct when you say the root of any sort of perceived backwardness is not because of the islamic faith in particular but because of a lack of education in general. Thanks for being objective, and this is what sets you and your viewers apart from those of Fox News.

    February 2, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
  5. Andrew

    Erin Burnett -– SHAME ON YOU. I REMEMBER YOUR TRIP TO SAUDI ARABIA. YOU HAD HUNDREDS OF WOMAN SHOWING YOU THE BEAUTY OF ISLAM. YOU DISCOVERED THAT THERE ARE THOUSAND OF WOMAN THAT ARE ENTREPRENEUR IN SAUDI ARABIA. AND YOU FOUND THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF WOMAN THAT ARE MEDICAL DOCTORS IN SAUDI ARABIA. NOW A FEW MONTHS LATER YOU COME BACK TO THE STATES AND RIGHT THIS STUPID HATEFUL ARTICLE CALLED "ISLAMIST OR ISLAMIC". THIS ESSAY IS A PROF POSITIVE THAT YOUR NOT A JOURNALIST THAT'S INTERESTED IN WRITING AND REPORTING ABOUT THE TRUTH. ERIN BURNETT IS JUST A JOURNALIST THAT INTERESTED IN WRITING ABOUT HER BIASES. I'M LAUGHING AT YOU THOUGH. HERE IN NEW YORK CITY, SOMEBODY EVERY DAY IS CHANGING THEIR RELIGION AND WALKING INSIDE A THE MOSQUE TO EMBRACING ISLAM. SO THIS MEAN "CNN" PROPAGANDA IS FAILING. FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM THE SHOULD GO TO THIS WEBSITE WHYISLAM.ORG

    February 2, 2012 at 4:31 am |
    • Reality

      One more time:

      Islamist, Islamic, Muslim, Moslem? There is no difference when in comes to the following:

      What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means. Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed.

      Until then, no male Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................

      February 2, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Iqbal Khan

      Great observation and very upto the point...as the saying goes " you may lie as much as you want or smear or accuse as much as you can, but TRUTH will ALLWAYS PREVAIL.
      ISLAM IS TRUTH ,check it out research as much as you want!

      February 2, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
  6. CRG

    Islamist or Islamic, this is all crap pushed on society by a bunch of news media imbeciles. It is foolish and grotesque to think of Islam as a religion of freedom for women. Islam like most other religions is dominated by males and actively promotes the subjugation of women and non believers. It has nothing to do with faith but rather continuing a culture of ignorance based on absurd beliefs. It should be noted that slavery is still an acceptable practice in Islam. Of all the religions still practiced in the modern world, Islam is clearly the most evil.

    February 2, 2012 at 1:16 am |
  7. Liar

    How ignorant and stupid these media really is! There is no honor killing in Islam, Period. If some fool does not know about Islam , he/she should study this religion before giving wrong and false info to the public.

    February 2, 2012 at 12:16 am |
  8. Atheist #1

    The Christian Religion also says to Murder nonbelievers ,but they have the common sense not to follow a thousand year old book verbatim!

    February 1, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • cold hard facts

      really when and wehre does the bible tell Christians or Jews to kill unbelievers..except for the few incidences as pertaining to the time sucvh as clearing out the land of promise which was the HEBREWS only ... 🙂

      February 2, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  9. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer causes small kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you crave the smell of kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.</b

    February 1, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • cold hard facts

      Prayer works for me ... I have more than 60 verbal responses from God and unctions almost daily since the 90's...

      This is the first thing he ever communicated to me...it was liek a wink from the bible ... not verbal.. in about 1977-78..

      "If you abide in me and my words abide in you you shall ask what you will and it shall be done unto you.."

      I forgopt it though...because as I rose up to tell my wife at that tiem , "look what Jesus said in the bible," her response surprised me she being such a good baptist woman" t5hat I forgot marvelling over what she shad to me...

      anyway God spoke to me in 1991, saying a bible verse to me..."remember the word unto thy servant upon which thou has caused me to hope... it took me some time later to realize what he was talking about... that verse in JOhn 15:7...
      What that verse says to me is that God is saying to me " LET ME BE YOUR GENIE !!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

      needless to say, from that time on I have dedicated my life to listening to and obeying HIs voice....

      February 2, 2012 at 11:58 am |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Prayer changes lives

    February 1, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • Nope

      ~The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      February 2, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • cold hard facts

      I dis agree with the unbeliever person...the statistics i get from God says that your statistics are wrong ..they pass away but his words endure for ever...So I gotta say there's a YEP right here... 🙂 🙂

      February 2, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  11. If you really are peaceful..

    ..then free Pastor Yousef.

    Why is he still in prison for his faith??

    February 1, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
  12. Jeff K.

    What is the difference, CNN?! CNN is mute on Saudi and Co, why?

    "Ethiopian Christians to be deported from Saudi Arabia"

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16808429

    February 1, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
  13. hamsta

    why does it matter?islam is terrorism so just use the word terrorism-end of debate.

    February 1, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  14. T$F%

    MILLIONS TO BE ASSASSINATED FOR THE SAKE OF $$$ LIABILITIES (mk-ultra, chip implants, electroshocks etc. performed on them) AND NEW WORLD ORDER (multiculturalism = terrorism) POLITICAL AGENDA KNOWN AS "YOU ARE
    NEXT"(financial liabilities are 2 expensive for the government and it is cheaper to get rid of you instead!!!!)

    NOW YOU KNOW WHAT ORWELLIAN UNITED STATES CONGRESS (USSR#2 which consists of lawyers or what are liars and physicians...lawyers, so crime per physicians can get away with it) AND OTHER GOVERNMENTS WORLDWIDE ARE SO BUSY WITH WHEN PLAYING/CLOWNING(acting) IN FRONT OF CAMERAS ONLY HOW SOMETHING HAVE TO BE DONE(deliberately omitting/delaying facts of genocide as seen on this complain) ROMNEY'S FATHER ALIKE WHO EXCELLED AFTER GM WAS DELIBERATELY BANKRUPT(LIKE AMERICA TODAY = success based on deliberate sabotage = known as grand treason) !!!


    LEARN TRUTH ABOUT UNITED NATIONS, AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL AS WELL AS NEW WORLD ORDER(MULTICULTURALISM = TERRORISM) GOVERNMENTS(Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) !!! NOT THERE TO PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS, BUT TO DENY YOUR RIGHT TO EXISTENCE !!!

    ABDUCTIONS / FORCED BRAIN CHIP IMPLANTS / BLACKLISTING / FORCEFUL UNEMPLOYMENT / MK-ULTRA BRAINWASHING AGAINST WHITE (under "NAZI" lie) CIVILIAN POPULATION TODAY IN 2011/2012 ACROSS THE EUROPE AND NORTHERN AMERICA !!!WHY TO ACCEPT LIABILITIES FOR CRIMES COMMITTED WHEN WE CAN SIMPLY ASSASSINATE OUR VICTIMS(YOU) THANKS TO HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS AND FREE PRESS/MEDIA(most severe censorship of genocide ever !!!)!! Related to WHITES NO LONGER WELCOME IN AMERICA

    February 1, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  15. George

    I would so hit that.

    February 1, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • KRussell

      Most insightful comment on the page.

      February 2, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  16. Yousaf Khan

    “Honor killings” have nothing to do with Islam which is a religion that stresses religious freedom in its sacred scriptures the Qur’an: “there is no compulsion in religion” (2:257), “Admonish, therefore, for thou art but an admonisher; Thou hast no authority to compel them.” (88:22-23), and “Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in a way that is best.” (16:126)

    Truly, “honor killings” have nothing to do with Islam whose founder waged a holy war against female infanticide. In Islam, true honor lies in following the ways of God Who Himself does not enforce His will on His creation. Those who kill for the sake of their “honor” have inherited an erroneous understanding of honor which stems from their culture and not religion. This is the reason that “honor killings” exists among Christians living in the Middle East, which shows that it is truly a cultural trait that has nothing to do with religion. The Media has a responsibility to highlight this and not spread Islamophobia.

    February 1, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • Robert

      What religious texts say and what religious people do aren't always the same.

      February 1, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Leif

      Sharia allows people to convert to Islam, but it forbids conversion from Islam to another faith or atheism. That sounds like compulsion to me.

      February 2, 2012 at 3:36 am |
    • cold hard facts

      I agree Leif ...

      yousef that's a bifg no to you and whay your saying here...
      I know you love yorue religion and you should... but your wrong..Jesus is the first the last adn My everything.../
      and there ain't no in betweens... 🙂 🙂 🙂

      February 2, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Simm

      Leif-

      Sharia is not the same as the Quran. Sharia is man made law that apparently is based on local interpretations because apparently there are hundreds of different practices of 'sharia' worldwide for places that actually do use it as a basis for their law.

      February 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer is crap! Party all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    February 1, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Prayer changes things

      Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      February 1, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Nope

      We've been through this the statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      February 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  18. Reality

    Islamist, Islamic, Muslim, Moslem? There is no difference when in comes to the following:

    What instigated the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? And what drives today's 24/7 mosque/imam-planned acts of terror and horror? The koran, Mohammed's book of death for all infidels and Muslim domination of the world by any means. Muslims must clean up this book removing said passages admitting that they are based on the Gabriel myth and therefore obviously the hallucinations and/or lies of Mohammed.

    Until then, no male Muslim can be trusted anytime or anywhere..................................

    February 1, 2012 at 11:10 am |
  19. Islam: The Relgion That Goes BANG !

    The correct word is not "Islamic" or "Islamist"; it's "moron." Just as the correct word for "Christian" is "rube."

    There is no evidence anywhere in the universe that any religion is correct or that any deity exists. Anyone who believes despite the total lack of evidence is a moron and a rube, no matter what religion it is. The are just lowly conformists to what other people told them, free of all ability to think critically.

    February 1, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • momoya

      Agreed, but the problem is one of "critical mass." The non-believers do not have the numbers nor the imaginary fuel of a cohesive mythos to allow your idea to become realized. I do hope the day will come soon, though.

      February 1, 2012 at 11:14 am |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 1, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • Osama bin Laden

      Prayer lets the plane hit the building correctly.

      Prayer worker for us!

      February 1, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Nope

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      February 1, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      As you guessed, I am totally capable of thinking. That's why I post the same absurd stuff over and over. Not a brane in my hed.

      February 1, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      I still live with my parents.

      February 1, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • just sayin

      i think you meant to say brain in my head not brane. You would be ever so more witty if you could spell what you were talking about

      February 1, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • Duh

      "i think you meant to say brain in my head not brane. You would be ever so more witty if you could spell what you were talking about"

      It's because it doesn't have a brain it spelled it wrong, DUH!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow are you dense.

      February 1, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • cold hard facts

      Jesus said, "if you abide in me and my words abide in you , you shall ask what ye will and it shall be done unto you... 🙂 🙂

      February 2, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
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