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February 1st, 2012
02:41 PM ET
My Take: Inside our scary, society-destroying family
Washington's Senate could vote as early as today on a bill that would allow gay marriage in the Evergreen State. A House vote is expected within days. If it passes both chambers, Gov. Christine Gregoire has promised to sign it into law. By Marci Weis, Special to CNN "Mama, if it doesn’t pass, will we still be able to be a family?" Those were the words of my then-7-year-old daughter on the night of the 2009 election. Over the prior months, sides had been chosen, harsh words had been hurled from all fronts, battle lines drawn. Up for vote was a referendum on whether Washington state would allow gay and lesbian couples to have several of the rights and responsibilities of legally married heterosexual couples.
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Editor’s Note: Marci Weis is the chief operating officer at a healthcare consulting and care management company in Washington. She is pursuing a Masters in Divinity degree for ordained ministry in the United Church of Christ. Weis and her lesbian partner have been together more than 20 years and they have two daughters.
God is responsible for every single abortion in history. It says so in the Bible. He is a sick prik.
Where does it say that specifically.
@yak
Psalm 139:16
Evil one, God creates everything, also free will he gave to men. Therefore, I'd repent if I were you.
Amen.
HS
You are incorrect.
"God creates everything, also free will he gave to men"
Not only does the existence of God logically, philosophically and theologically deny the possibility of free will, but the Bible also says that there is no free will! Examining the writings of St Paul, the Biblical books of Ephesians, Romans, 2 Timothy, 2 Thessalonians and Revelations, we see that God's plan overrides our free will; those that do good do the specific good that God predestined them to do, and all others are ruled by Satan because God sends "powerful delusions" to them. The Christian Bible frequently states that God creates our future and decides our fates, no matter what our own will is. It constantly denies that we have free will.
@God is the Evil One- your verse failed to show that God is resonsible for abortion. Fail.
@ yak
I disagree with you. Please state your case.
@God is the Evil One- you are most welcome to disagree. But the verse you cited only shows that God knows one before birth. It states nothing beyond that. Anything else would be the result of you straining to justify your position.
@yak
I don't what translation you are referring to, but they all pretty much say the following:
"You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed."
Cherry pick all you want, but according to the Bible, he makes us and he kills us. Plain and Simple.
@ʎɐʞ
Please define the word "know", (as in god knows).
You still have it wrong. That verse you cherrypicked doesn't say anything about killing.
Yak,
I am an athiest. I don't even believe there is a God. It was fun chatting with you though.
I figured that..and you were still incorrect on that verse.
What do you think about Philbin as Dolphins Head Coach? Hope it is not another "Cam Cam" one and done! Wouldn't mind have P. Manning for a couple of years....
Floyd Mayweather Jr. said Wednesday he will fight Miguel Cotto on May 5 in Las Vegas. Should be a good fight (If Floyd can stay out of trouble until then.)
Over one million people die by suicide every year. Thank you God. We know how you love despair and grief.
Why blame God? You wouldn't be implying you know how God should be acting do you?
Those in despair are NOT being taught Jesus’ truth ...
Matthew 24:13
John 15:1-6
Romans 11:22
1 Corinthians 15:2
Colossians 1:23
Hebrews 3:6
Hebrews 3:14
Hebrews 12:25
1 John 5:4
Amen.
"Those in despair are NOT being taught Jesus’ truth ...
Matthew 24:13
John 15:1-6
Romans 11:22
1 Corinthians 15:2
Colossians 1:23
Hebrews 3:6
Hebrews 3:14
Hebrews 12:25
1 John 5:4"
Heaven Sent you wouldn't know what that is because if you did you wouldn't have used John 15:1-6. You're clueless to reality babe and your a horrific Christian. Your lack of love and kindness is deplorable.
Everyone knows the story about Jesus and the woman about to be stoned by the mob. This account is only found in John 7:53-8:12. The mob asked Jesus whether they should stone the woman (the punishment required by the Old Testament) or show her mercy. Jesus doesn’t fall for this trap. Jesus allegedly states, let the one who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her. The crowd dissipates out of shame. That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes. The story is not found in the oldest and best manuscripts of the Gospel of John. Nor does its writing style comport with the rest of John. Most serious textual critics state that this story should not be considered part of the Bible.
@yak
Didn't God create us? Then he is responsible for how we are, how our brains work, our ability to cope in his world. If God is perfect, all powerful and all-knowing, perhaps he might have thought to step in give and them a little pep talk before the y offed themself and ruined the lives of their families? He can create the universe but he can't help a person who is depressed or ill from comitting suicide? What, too busy to save his children?
@God is the Evil One- "Didn't God create us? Then he is responsible for how we are, how our brains work, our ability to cope in his world."
~No...he is not responsible. Is the man that created the first true gun responsible for all the deaths due to his creation? Of course not.
"If God is perfect, all powerful and all-knowing, perhaps he might have thought to step in give and them a little pep talk before the y offed themself and ruined the lives of their families?"
~I am not sure what you mean by "perfect". Define a perfect God. Then I'll have to slap a No True Scotsman falalcy on you but that's the way it works. You are under the impression that God is suppose to step in at every moment when we screw up. I doubt you will find much texts to back that notion up.
"He can create the universe but he can't help a person who is depressed or ill from comitting suicide? What, too busy to save his children?"
~I submit that you don't know how God helps. I also say there is free will tht we humans have. It's not God's fault if one decides to express that free will through suicide.
@yak
First, you are comparing an omnipotent and omniscient deity to a man. Not sure that makes sense. Second, how can you be sure, in the eyes of the Lord, that the Chinese, the creator of gunpowder (I think that is what you mean) is not responsible for all the deaths due to this invention? I am not willing to make that leap. However I don’t think that is the case. If God created people, and some of those people created gunpowder, and gun powder led to guns and guns to slaughter, I blame God. He obviously enjoys it or he would disallow it. He is Supreme.
“Perfect” meaning a God that can do no wrong. The creator of all things. Unless you disagree that he can do wrong as I have posited. I fail to see how the No True Scotsman fallacy would apply. I am under the impression that if God exists, he could do more that sit around and watch the world suffer. He just doesn’t want to. God is more like an Evil Scientist than the Prince of Peace.
I submit that there is no free will in accordance with God and the Bible. If so, God is responsible for all things good and bad.
Yo,
Please explain
"That story was not originally in the Gospel of John or in any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes"
Now why it is not in every version hence the brackets in most cases, please tell us why you came to the conclusion which manuscript was the first.
But either way I don't understand your post of not including John 15 because of John 7/8?
@God is the Evil One- "First, you are comparing an omnipotent and omniscient deity to a man. Not sure that makes sense."
Of course it doesn't make sense because I'm not doing that. I am discussing cause, effect and the responsibility. You want to pin responsibility on God for the actions we commit.
"Second, how can you be sure, in the eyes of the Lord, that the Chinese, the creator of gunpowder (I think that is what you mean) is not responsible for all the deaths due to this invention? I am not willing to make that leap."
You might not and you are welcome to not make that leap. However, I have seen nothing to make me think that God would hold anyone in the past accountable for the specific sins done today.
"If God created people, and some of those people created gunpowder, and gun powder led to guns and guns to slaughter, I blame God. He obviously enjoys it or he would disallow it. He is Supreme."
You are reaching here. You accuse me of comparing God to man...yet you have no problem dictating what you (a mild manner imperfect being) think God feels or what he would do. I am sorry but you are being a hypocrite here.
"“Perfect” meaning a God that can do no wrong."
What is "wrong" to God? Or are you judging God on what you think is wrong?
"Unless you disagree that he can do wrong as I have posited."
I believe he can do things that ppl may think of as wrong.
"I fail to see how the No True Scotsman fallacy would apply. I am under the impression that if God exists, he could do more that sit around and watch the world suffer. He just doesn’t want to. God is more like an Evil Scientist than the Prince of Peace."
You are trying to state how a True God would behave. Yes, you are falling into a version of the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
"I submit that there is no free will in accordance with God and the Bible. If so, God is responsible for all things good and bad."
I disagree. Otherwise what is the point of a book that wants you to accept the Lord as your savior. If you have no free will at any level...what would be the point?
Yak,
I am an athiest. I really thought you would have figured that out.
Yeah..you are an atheist. Did this give you some kind of diplomatic immunity from telling you how you got things wrong? I don't think so.
And this year's Nobel Prize for Literature goes to Marci Weis, for her achievements in the 'minimalist personal essay' form.
"My take:..."
I didn't see anyone's take on anything.
At most it should be "My daughter's take:..."
Prayer causes small kids to get hit by buses when they aren't paying attention.
Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you crave the smell of kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
Prayer is your salvation
"Prayer is your salvation"
It can't be it's been proven it doesn't work.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer is the gateway to heaven
"Prayer is the gateway to heaven"
No, it's not you have to believe in your Christ. Plus the statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer will bring you closer to God
"Prayer will bring you closer to God"
More desperation, keep proving the studies correct. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer is medicine for the mind and soul. Drink and be healed.
"Prayer is medicine for the mind and soul. Drink and be healed."
What an idiot, you can't drink it. Plus you've been proven wrong, prayer is worthless. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer changes things
Do not be put off
By those who would come against prayer
We wrestle not with flesh and blood
But with spiritual wickedness in high places
Prayer changes things
Welcome Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things
More desperation proving the studies right. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
You are so desperate that it's actually pretty funny. LOL! Keep em' comin'.
Prayer is a light in an otherwise dark room
Nope, the ways of man proves themselves to be wrong. You worship the ways of man ... That's your downfall stop making it our problem.
Amen.
"Prayer is a light in an otherwise dark room"
More desperation I am loving it. Prayer has never lighted up a dark room because prayer doesn't work. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
"Nope, the ways of man proves themselves to be wrong. You worship the ways of man ... That's your downfall stop making it our problem."
Thanks for proving me correct since it was men that wrote the bible, they were wrong!
HaHAHaHAHaHAHaHAHaHAHaHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prayer is the answer to the questions you have
"Prayer is the answer to the questions you have"
No, it's not because you don't get any answers because prayer doesn't work. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer is communication with God
Pray every day
"Prayer is communication with God
Pray every day"
There is no proof of your god which explains why so many are wasting their time on prayer. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Pray without ceasing in 2012
Prayer really changes things
"Pray without ceasing in 2012
Prayer really changes things"
It would be far more useful if you would all stop wasting your time and focus on fixing the starvation problem in the world.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer is the bond we have with our Father in Heaven
God hears our prayers
Anything is possible through prayer
Pray everyday
"God hears our prayers
Anything is possible through prayer
Pray everyday"
No it's not the only thing it will do is waste your time and accomplish nothing. Get off you butts and work on fixing the starvation issue, go out and help the poor, the very thing your Christ demanded of you.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer really does change things
"Prayer really does change things"
The only thing it will change is the size of your butt because you're wasting your time.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Nope...your 'statistical studies' defense won't mean much to God...He is not a lab rat.
Pray to God
Pray every day
New York Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora was fined $20,000 by the NFL for failing to participate in a mandatory media interview session at the team hotel Wednesday morning. I think that is so stupid. They should just say you have to participate in at lease one or two sessions, but you can pick which ones. Then if they don't, maybe a small fine.
God has destroyed 99.9% of every living creature that has ever lived on Earth. Why doesn't he love what he makes? He is scary and mean.
A time to be born, a time to die
To everything – turn, turn, turn
There is a season – turn, turn, turn
And a time for every purpose under heaven
-Byrds
There is no purpose under heaven except God's punishment. He is an evil tyrant who enjoys the smell of burning flesh.
Proverbs
"been there done that prayer works"
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer heals wounds to body and soul
"Prayer heals wounds to body and soul"
It doesn't heal wounds you're making that crap up now because you're so desperate. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer can fill your emptiness
"Prayer can fill your emptiness"
So now the truth comes out you didn't love yourself enough so you had to create an invisible friend. Prayer doesn't work the statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer makes miracles happen. Believe and rejoice.
"Prayer makes miracles happen. Believe and rejoice."
Even more desperation, you have love you're proving the study correct. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
So why don't you pray for the miracle that all the starving people in Africa get fed today....oh that's right prayer doesn't work.
Prayer is a divine gift
Do not turn your back on prayer
"Prayer is a divine gift"
No, it's not. LOL! More desperation, this is so much fun and thank you for allowing me to post the proof of your stupidity over and over again. This is AWESOME! The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer is a wonderful gift you receive every day
plus she's d-a-m-n ugly, too!
"Prayer is a wonderful gift you receive every day"
No it's not a gift it's a waste of your time, get off your lazy butt and help the needy, you'd accomplish more doing that.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer brings us gifts from God
Who/What is responsible for the other .1%?
@God is Scary and Mean- "There is no purpose under heaven except God's punishment. He is an evil tyrant who enjoys the smell of burning flesh."
You have no evidence with this statement.
God created good and evil according to the Tanakh...he is beyond those limited concepts right? How can one be a tyrant when the entire universe is theirs to begin with? If you call God a tyrant..that means at some level you must feel equal to him. That would be a silly argument based on other comments you have made.
Yak, evidence? The Bible insists that we bow down in terrified worship of the Almighty or roast for eternity in Hell. This tells us two things, one, God is a Tyrant and 2 is also the Devil or at least they have a civil relationship. Which would make God a tyrant too. I don’t even understand your last statement.
"The Bible insists that we bow down in terrified worship of the Almighty or roast for eternity in Hell."
A no. The text says to "fear" the Lord. That means a reverence, honour, respect and awe inspired fear. Check your hebrew.
"This tells us two things, one, God is a Tyrant and 2 is also the Devil or at least they have a civil relationship. Which would make God a tyrant too. I don’t even understand your last statement."
You are making judgements on an omnipotent being...I think that is above your paygrade. Also a tyrant is a human condition. Again..God does not fill the definition.
I am not surprised that you didn't understand.
Seriously Kay, you can't figure out I am an athiest?
Your status as an atheist is irrelevant to the conversation. Are we suppose to just roll our eyes and patronize you like a mentally deficient person.
Prayer changes things, it seems to me that you have not thought this Prayer thing through, consider the following and please correct me if I am wrong:
If there is a God, and all things are the will of God and God can not CHANGE his mind (because he is perfect) than what is the use of Prayer? If it is Gods will it will be done (or not done) your praying cannot make a difference if you cannot Change Gods mind about what you are praying for. If you can change Gods mind then God had to have made a mistake and thereby is changing his mind to make a correction. If the being you call God can make a mistake then what ever you call him it can not me God, not in the sense that God is perfect.
I am not a scholar I'm sure a few of you on this blog can reword my ranting into something more coherent for the believers.
Prayer changes things.
"Prayer changes things."
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer changes things
Prayer is enlightening
You've been proven wrong it's a waste of time and makes things worse.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer changes things
Prayer is enlightening
Prayers are answered by God
All you're doing is proving what an idiot you are since the statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
your problem mr quest is that you do not know or understand the character and person of God.
"you do not know or understand the character and person of God."
Neither do you because there is no proof your god exists.
You did not address any thing, repeating something over and over does not make it true.
I have a million dollars, I have a millions dollars (darn I'm still broke).
Prayer really changes things
@just sayin, what am I missing?
Prayer makes it worse, the statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer changes things
Whether by the original or a good fake
The message of the availability of God
Is made known
No naysayer or demon can come between a person of prayer and God
Prayer is an effective and active learning process
All are welcomed in prayer
Only a fool would deny prayer
Prayer is a God given freedom
Prayer changes things
Hey look more desperation from "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", the more you post the more you prove the study is correct so please continue.
Wow what desperation, you must be in a panic.
The justice of God
The eternal nature of God
The basic character of God
It is evident by your question that you know very little about God
Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you crave the smell of kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things, you are just repeating the same things over and over. If possible please address the criticism that you can not change the will of God, therefor Prayer is pointless Gods will, will be done no matter what you Prayer for. If your Prayers can change Gods mind than God can not be perfect.
@JohnQuest,
"You did not address any thing, repeating something over and over does not make it true.
I have a million dollars, I have a millions dollars (darn I'm still broke)."
You have absolutely NO PROOF that it won't happen if you keep saying it. 😉
@just sayin, you are also NOT addressing the the original post. I might be wrong but you have not shown me that I'm wrong by showing the errors of my logic.
•The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. (Isaiah 45:7)
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)
Nonimus, very cute (that had me chuckling), but seriously, should I "rely" on that to make my millions or should I go and put in the work to earn it. A bigger question, If I put in the work and I can not earn it without putting in the work (no matter how much I pray for it), is that me doing it or God?
Prayer is your guiding light
"Prayer changes things
Prayer is enlightening'
More desperation....The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Keep the desperation going, so you can prove how right these studies were.
Let me illustrate your error with a scenario and a question mr. quest , i am assuming you are intelligent enough to see the parallels and possibilities. I am going from London England to San Francisco California. I have 2000 years to make the trip. What is my route?
Prayer is food for the soul
"I am going from London England to San Francisco California. I have 2000 years to make the trip. What is my route?"
It's already been predetermined you have no say in it, your God already made the choice for you.
@just sayin
What does that have to do with anything. Just address the original post, and if you can't just say so. Giving a scenario that has no bearing on the original question is worthless.
"Prayer is food for the soul"
No, its not it doesn't work. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
wrong duh there are 2000 years of choices options and possibilities that can be made . The only two unchangables are the beginning and the end. Try thinking some more.
"wrong duh there are 2000 years of choices options and possibilities that can be made . The only two unchangables are the beginning and the end. Try thinking some more."
No there isn't God already made those choices you have no say in it. Not only does the existence of God logically, philosophically and theologically deny the possibility of free will, but the Bible also says that there is no free will! Examining the writings of St Paul, the Biblical books of Ephesians, Romans, 2 Timothy, 2 Thessalonians and Revelations, we see that God's plan overrides our free will; those that do good do the specific good that God predestined them to do, and all others are ruled by Satan because God sends "powerful delusions" to them. The Christian Bible frequently states that God creates our future and decides our fates, no matter what our own will is. It constantly denies that we have free will.
Hawaii guest
The conversation is with mr. quest, with the assumption that mr quest can connect the dots, you apparently cannot sorry.
"The conversation is with mr. quest, with the assumption that mr quest can connect the dots, you apparently cannot sorry."
Nice cop-out.
Prayer is there for you. It is a gift.
"Prayer is there for you. It is a gift."
Nope it's a waste of time. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Not at all duh , i politely replied even though you butted in, i won't be replying to you anymore it would be an exercise in futility. Please allow mr quest the courtesy of his reply. Thank you
"Not at all duh , i politely replied even though you butted in, i won't be replying to you anymore it would be an exercise in futility. Please allow mr quest the courtesy of his reply. Thank you"
===> Another cop-out
@just sayin
Oh my I'm all hurt now. just sayin thinks I cannot connect the dots oh boohoo, even though the ways that you could get from point a to point b are nearly infinite depending on the mindset of the person, the resources available, and the reasons for wanting to get to point b. This scenario, however, is completely moot to the subject at hand. You have not even stated where you stand on the question. Without this your posts literally have no contextual meaning.
Prayer guides you when the path is unclear
"Prayer guides you when the path is unclear"
No it can't because it doesn't work. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Prayer is the answer to all of your questions
"Prayer is the answer to all of your questions"
No wonder so many people are failing in this life, cause prayer doesn't work. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Nope
Get real and get honest with yourself. You keep pulling stats that you claim prayer does not work when those studies themselves always have a footnote explaining why they are in error. In short you can never test prayer because God is smarter than you are. If you can trap God in one of your exam rooms the game is up because even then I will fold and say there is no God. Only man made gods play your game not the God who always was.
"Get real and get honest with yourself. You keep pulling stats that you claim prayer does not work when those studies themselves always have a footnote explaining why they are in error. In short you can never test prayer because God is smarter than you are. If you can trap God in one of your exam rooms the game is up because even then I will fold and say there is no God. Only man made gods play your game not the God who always was."
You've been proven wrong, look more desperation, you have to love it. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
fred
If "the God who always was" is true, then (the dimension of) time "always was", also, it she could not be it's creator. 😈
Prayer helps us to live God's word
I like the G-Men in the big game. I think the injury to the Patriots Tight End (high ankle sprain) could be a big issue.
I think they need to change the name of the position. "Tight End" emphasizes men's a-s-s-e-s, making them just meat, instead of emphasizing their talent. I find myself offended, and might just sue.
Well I don't know about that, but Gronkowski hasn't been on the field since hurting his ankle in the AFC Championship Game Jan. 22. If he doesn't play the Pats will have trouble moving the ball down the field.
yup, gotta love narrow minded stupidity and by that i mean christians...believers are in general a tad slow to the up take but christians more so then any other group.
@hippypoet: "yup, gotta love narrow minded stupidity and by that i mean christians"
Uhhh, hate to mention this, but pretty much both sides are closed minded, hateful and more than a little stupid.
If you love God, you love pain and suffering.
Oooh, and infanticide. Don't forget about all of the infanticide.
And childhood cancer. If you love God you love diseases.
Is it me or is it really Insane to believe two (or three) diametrically opposing ideas at the same time about the same subject matter.
Examples: a and b are both right and both wrong, a subject is p and not p, Jesus was a man and not a man, a God and not a God. God is perfect, Man was made by God in Gods image, man is entirely imperfect from birth, but God is perfect.
Thank God there is no God and all this is just made up or it would be really confusing.
Prayer changes things
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things
"Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"
You have no proof of that and lying is a sin moron by the way even your bible states animals have no soul. Still being desperate even though you've been proven wrong.
Meds lacking nope?
"Meds lacking nope?"
Still desperate because you were proven wrong.
Prayer parts the clouds so the sun can shine through
"Prayer parts the clouds so the sun can shine through"
That's funny, your desperation is hysterical. So get your butt to Seattle and pray the rain away...wait that won't work because prayer can't do that. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Love the desperation.
Prayer will save you
Pray every day
Morning prayer will awaken your spirit
"Abrahamics" believe that their god created all of us and of course that includes the g-ay members of the human race. Also, those who have studied ho-mo-se-xuality have determined that there is no choice involved therefore ga-ys are ga-y because god made them that way.
To wit:
o The Royal College of Psy-chiatrists stated in 2007:
“ Despite almost a century of psy-choanalytic and psy-chological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heteros-exual or hom-ose-xual orientation. It would appear that s-exual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of ge-netic factors and the early ut-erine environment. Se-xual orientation is therefore not a choice.[60] "
"Garcia-Falgueras and Swaab state in the abstract of their 2010 study, "The fe-tal brain develops during the intraut-erine period in the male direction through a direct action of tes-tosterone on the developing nerve cells, or in the female direction through the absence of this hor-mone surge. In this way, our gender identi-ty (the conviction of belonging to the male or female gender) and s-exual orientation are programmed or organized into our brain structures when we are still in the womb. There is no indication that social environment after birth has an effect on gender ident–ity or s-exual orientation."[8
See also the Philadelphia Inquirer review “Gay Gene, Deconstructed”, 12/12/2011. Said review addresses the following “How do genes associated with ho-mose-xuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?”
Of course, those gays who belong to Abrahamic religions abide by the rules of no adu-ltery or for-nication allowed.
And because of basic biology differences said monogamous ventures should always be called same-se-x unions not same-se-x marriages.
Respond to reality? hit report abuse
this is so freaking g@y.
freaking lesbian, actually.
LOL. Still pretty d-a-m-n ho-mo
I have nothing against the topi, very interested actually, but where is the rest of the article?
What's her point? What a dumb article.
This just proves that CNN is anti-christian. What is this crap doing on a belief blog?
"She is pursuing a Masters in Divinity degree for ordained ministry in the United Church of Christ."
Because belief isn't limited to your horrible, hate-filled Christian beliefs.
George R, "This just proves that CNN is anti-christian.
Ah, but I see you over there spewing on that "vomit" article (next on the list), you bloviating baboon.
Change you comment to 'I can't actually read, I just feel persecuted' to be more accurate.
2 Timothy 3:1-17
Amen.
Genesis 19:33-36
Amen
Anatomically Bombed, I can wait to hear your explanation of said scriptures. I'm sure you are clueless.
Amen.
"Anatomically Bombed, I can wait to hear your explanation of said scriptures. I'm sure you are clueless."
Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot
Joe T, what relief are you going to get following the ways of satan? The father of all lies.
Amen.
.... I said I can wait. So much for your reading skills.
Amen.
"So much for your reading skills."
Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.
That whooshing sound is the point flying over HS's noggin. Her EGO must be in the way.
Not exactly a target-rich environment TT. Things are a bit slow today.