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February 10th, 2012
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Mixed Catholic reaction to revised White House contraception planBy Eric Marrapodi CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor Washington (CNN) - As word trickled out of a White House compromise with Catholic groups on its rule around contraception coverage on Friday morning, administration officials took to the phones to sell the plan to religious leaders across the spectrum. Catholic officials say President Obama called New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, President of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, to explain the revised policy, which exempts religiously affiliated universities and hospitals for paying for no cost contraception for their employees but requires insurers to offer such coverage for for free to women who work at such institutions. Dolan responded to the White House plan Friday afternoon in a statement saying the move was, "a first step in the right direction." “While there may be an openness to respond to some of our concerns, we reserve judgment on the details until we have them," he added. But other bishops were far more critical. "I think he's punting, just kicking the can down the road," Miami Archbishop Thomas Wenski told CNN. "He's hasn't really addressed our concerns. I think the only thing to do is... to take back the whole thing."
After hanging up with Obama Friday morning, Dolan quickly organized a conference call with other bishops nationwide, according to a source briefed on the calls. It's yet to be seen how the Catholic Church will greet the revised White House policy, but some conservative religious voices say they're not satisfied. CNN's Belief Blog – all the faith angles to the day's top stories Wenski said the Miami Archdiocese pays an insurance company to cover its 5,000 employees and argued that if the insurance company is paying for and providing contraceptives, as the new compromise lays out, the church would still be paying for it. "They're missing the point when they say this is about contraception," he said. "This is about religious freedom. It's a sham to say contraception aren't widely available in this country." But some Catholic groups applauded the White House announcement. Sister Carol Keehan from the Catholic Health Association said she is"very pleased" with the White House. "Folks were extremely grateful for this," said James Salt, who heads the progressive group Catholics United, which is close to the White House. Salt was on a White House call to religious leaders Friday morning that was led by Joshua DuBios, director of Obama's Office of Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships. "This is a solution that can be universally celebrated," Salt said. " There were groups on the call that have a very pro-choice world view and there was no dissent... We're putting out a full-throated endorsement of this." Stephen Schneck, a professor from Catholic University who has advised the administration in the past, is also pleased with the new HHS policy. "There was great enthusiasm on the call, a real sense of relief," he said, referring to the conference call with DuBois. "I think [the administration] finally got it as a result of the fire storm...the religious liberty concerns, that's what turned the policy makers," he said. "The level of solidarity with the bishops in seeing this as a religious liberty issue is what I think turned the day." In recent weeks, religious leaders loudly lobbied the White House on its plan to make religious institutions offer free contraception to employees through health insurance plans. Evangelicals and conservative Jews joined with Catholics in saying the policy was an intrusion of religious liberty. "As long as the Obama portrayed this as a contraception issue they had a chance to win the pr battle," said Richard Land, head of public policy for the Southern Baptist Convention. Despite the compromise, Land said the damage has been done. "It'll be devastating with Catholics," he said, arguing that the president has "shown what he really believes." The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which brought three lawsuits in federal court against the policy, denounced the White House change Friday as an “accounting gimmick.” Becket said the new compromise doesn’t address the private religious groups and others who object the policy and still view the new policy as them paying for contraceptives, albeit through an insurer. “Hundreds, if not thousands, of religious institutions are still left out in the cold and will be forced to violate their religious convictions,” said Hannah Smith, senior legal counsel for the Becket Fund, in a statement. An administration official said the White House will convene meetings with religious leaders in coming days and that “this policy will be developed collaboratively so that the ultimate outcome works for religious employers, their workers and the public.” soundoff (2,082 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 Next »
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Well I am so glad the Catholic Authority from the Pope on down, have their say, but be careful when you molest a teenager. You surely wouldn't want to have the Church pay for you baby's child support.
Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things!
† Atheism makes you stupid, ignorant & blind.
† Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
† Atheism makes you post stupid things.
† Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
† Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
† Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
† Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
† No traditional family lifestyle, boring and feeling 'outsider'
† Atheists are angry, alcoholics and committ the most crime.
† Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
† Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
† Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
† Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
† Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
† Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
† All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
† The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
† Atheism have no holidays, no culture, no nothing. Waste of living in this planet...
†† Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator ††
And could you get away with saying this crap to jews, muslims or even hindus? Atheists are the last minority it is still politically correct to hate.
Atheists causes problem in our society
Reason why religion is harmful to the public!
1.) religion is based on a book written by man! Thus it is not the word of god. But the word of man with an intelligence ratio from 2000 years ago!
2). They’re murderers!
3). They’re rapist
4). They’re pedophiles
5). They’re thieves
Need more, is that not enough for you dumbazz
what is the number one cause of war? religion....what atheist beliefs have caused a war? hmmm...NONE!!!!
One day, there will be a cure for your illness. Hopefully it will be soon.....
Yeah, nazis said jews caused problems in their society.
Thank you Mr. Santorum.
Really? IS A TROLL TROLL TROLL!!!
Jasmine is a PERV, PERV, PERV! AND A PERV SUPPORTER! JASMINE IS ALSO MICHELLE, MICHELLE MICHELLE! JASMINE IS ALSO A MAN MAN MAN!
You just hate it when you have no real argument so you dwindle to name calling! I wouldn't expect any thing less from you bigot!
GET OUT OF MY WOMB, AND SHUT THE DOOR!
TAX ALL CHURCHES!
CAN I GET A HALLELUJAH?
Shut down your dad's laptop and go out and get fresh air. Everytime I open CNN I see your name here.
You must have a misrable life
Not only churches get tax exempt – synagogues, hindu temples, mosques etc. don't pay taxes either.
@ Agnostic – Really is a TROLL...you made me laugh. Thank you!
You are the biggest moron and ignorant gay I've seen
Ahh! You would you like me to address you as John, Michelle or agnostic!
How bout I just call you mr bigot! And cover all three of you names. Unlike you, I own my own computer, home, and car! Pray for some fuk*n brains you worthless moron! You hate it when im right! 😀
Bye Bye Obama 2012..... 80% of Americans are Christians, and if he keeps mocking religious people he will never win.
Orthodox Judaism prohibit birth control too.
Bye bye Obama?
Thats some funny sh*it rite3 there. Republicans are so screwed up, that
You can't even unite on a candidate yet! Why? Because even republicans know that Republicans are full of crap! but that is that mode of operation. Vote for an idiot, and then pray he'll win in the general election! Its laughable!
80% of mricans lack intelligence. The CNN poll shows 67% approval and 37% disapproval. Most of Europe and South America is Christian and they don't ga bananas like the extremists in the USA. I'm Christian too I agree with the president. Please show me where in the Bible does it say you can't use contraceptives? I want the extact quote....I'm waiting...
I believe Michelle is suffering today.
She has her side, which is the "correct" one apparently. You women with Endometriosis – the correct way is to suck it up.
Sad.
Michelle suffers everyday. Its required by her deity!
Michele isn't a woman.
ever hear of a hysterectomy? You know those operations that women tend to have after years of trying to control it with the pill in order to keep their organs in tact that just end up getting removed in the long run anyway...AFTER we've spent God only knows how much money on your treatment just to arrive at the inevitable?
Ever heard of palliative care? It doesn't prolong the life of cancer patients but makes them a lot more comfortable "before the inevitable". You would make a lousy doctor.
It is wonderful that Michele's insurance allows a woman to have a hysterectomy when said woman chooses.
You are just sad.
Ever hear of ECT, Michele? You should have it done, you moron. Hysterectomy is not an inevitable procedure by any stretch of your vivid fantasies. I repeat: you aren't a woman, nor are you anything but a troll.
Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things!
† Atheism makes you stupid, ignorant & blind.
† Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
† Atheism makes you post stupid things.
† Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
† Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
† Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
† Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
† No traditional family lifestyle, boring and feeling 'outsider'
† Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
† Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
† Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
† Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
† Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
† Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
† All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
† The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
† Atheism have no holidays, no culture, no nothing. Waste of living in this planet...
Reason why religion is harmful to the public!
1.) religion is based on a book written by man! Thus it is not the word of god. But the word of man with an intelligence ratio from 2000 years ago!
2). They're murderers!
3). They're rapist
4). They're pedophiles
5). They're thieves
Need more, is that not enough for you dumbazz?
This is the stupidest post I've seen on here today.
What special kind of dumb are you?
There are rapist, murders and idiots in all kind of religion and non-religion. Atheists commit crime as well.
Agnostic! Here's a tidbit of statistical information for you! 99.99% of all inmates are religious! so you argument holds no water!
Have you forgot about Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc. killing hundreds of millions of people ?! They were atheists your moron
Have you heard of Hitler? Ganges Kahn? Benedict Arnold? They were all religious. And killed many more than those you just sited!
Sorry it took so long to respond. But I unlike Michelle actually have a job! So little missy, dont think im gonna let you get away with lying to people or report false information in here, cuz I will call you out on it everytime!
You want a place where false information gets validated? Then got to your church and lie with crazy lying peers! This is the real world. Your fantasies, and invisible god can't help you in here!
Now get you azz outta my womb, and shut the freaking door! You perv supporter!
Getting a littly "prissy" are we? Layoff Biotch...you don't know who or what you're messing with. Then again as the saying goes, you don't argue with ignorance. All of your posts are emotional...that's what happens when you let a bunch of estrogen ridden, over emotional women have an "opinion". They can't put emotion aside and use logic. People like you are the reson why I'M PRO CHOICE. The world will be a better place when people like you are gone.
The one who's unhinged here is you, Michele. You're just plain old crazy.
Oh Michelle! Its perfectly clear who im messing with! Im messing with a lying little turf, thats in here pretending to be a woman. Im messing with an uneducated bigot who has spent more time lying their way through life, than trying to honestly make a difference! I messing with a perv thats supports pervs and those who allow it, and tries to cover it up!
Pick your fights wisely moron 'cus this one you will lose!
I don't pick fights, I end them. I knew if I pushed your buttons, the true you would come out. Ignorant, uneducated and just rambling stuff you've heard from a book or a professor. When you experience life a bit more, you'll learn. Ignorance for now is bliss, sweetie. I think I hear your mama calling now...time for your bottle.
Michelle! Don't you have some child molesters to protect? Go do your dirty deeds and leave intelligent conversion to those of us in the know!
Really? is the biggest perv in history.... he has terrible life terrible terrible!!!
Really's real 'job' is McDonald's and cleaning the bathrooms LOOOOOL!!!!
People like you and that childish brain needs to get wiped away your Stalin supporter. Go to h..e...l....l your gothicl!!
Really? = Troll
You just causes problem here your idiot.... Go away and stop commenting at religious articles your atheist satanic
Thanks batman forever and matt, I am feeling the true christian love.
Oh, Michelle! What a vile ignorant person you are. You dont know what youre talking about! And its clear the on 20 years experience you have is at lying your azz off! 100% of insurance companies offer plans that cover contraception. Stop pretending they dont! But the fact that you choose to support child molesters doesn't mean we all have to! Be a disgusting creep if you want. But dont push you crazy azz beliefs on the rest of us! You perfect excuse for contraception!
Why are women's rights questioned and put at risk at every election? Historically, the discussion involves abortion and now it is contraception – we are going backwards, how depressing!
The games these people play really frustrate me. We can't get anywhere like this. "...take back the whole thing" and "the church will still be paying for it." How about this: The whole idea is scrapped, then the employees purchase their own contraceptives! Oh, but wait... the church would still be paying for it. RIDICULOUS.
Go whine somewhere else. 90% of catholic women use or have used contraceptives. Back under your pedophiliac rocks, chumps.
I'm a Roman Catholic and I'm proud to belong to that Church.
For moral issues, I rely on The Holy See and or bishops and priests.
But first and foremost, I'm a law abiding citizen.
I ask no privileges for my religion.
Equality under the Law is my paramount criteria.
If there's a special status for Roman Catholics, who's next ?
When religion starts paying taxes, they can speak.
If CNN were doing its journalistic job, this story would be updated to reflect a lengthy statement from the United States Council of Catholic Bishops YESTERDAY that, after considering the "compromise" which will require "careful moral analysis", that out the outset there are many aspects to it that are "unacceptable and must be corrected" and which raise serious moral concerns." Thus the Bishops state they will continue with "no less vigor, no less sense of urgency" to correct this problem through the two other branches of government. WHERE is this in CNN's news coverage of this story???
The problem isn't CNN, the problem is the church!
you still have not answered the main question I just wonder if Catholics can op out of contraceptives can Jehovah Witness's op out of providing blood transfusions for their employee's?. Science and religion must always be seperate in this country. Should All Religion dictate to believers and non believer what they should be cover for?
It makes me laugh to think that the Catholic bishops are capable of "careful moral analysis" when they don't even know to call the police when their priests are raping children!
Insurance companies have ALWAYS covered abortions...thankfully that will NEVER change.
No Ron, they didn't. Employers purchased riders to have that "benefit" added to their plans. It has grown since then into a more "generic" portion of a plan. Perfect example of another idiot who thinks he knows what he's talking about.
Michelle, stop being a goon!
Insurance already has that in their plan. Catholics want the right to not offer it to their employees! The bottom line is. If you dont want it, then dont take it! Its that simple! And 98% of the churches followers take it! The hospitals are equal rights employers, and therefore must adhere to equal opportunities for their employees! get it?
@ Really...when you have 20+ years of LIFE EXPERIENCE in the health/insurance industry then come talk to me. You're too busy listening to eveyone else's opinions instead of having actual knowledge of how anything works. Educate yourself and then make a decision and/or comment. Anyone that knows how the "industry" works knows that you're clueless.
@ Really. Also keep in mind that no employer regardless as to its religious affiliations or otherwise should be forced into providing and paying for services that go against their grain...not to mention services that are just that, services...these are NOT medically necessary NOR services to sustain life. LEARN!
While Michele is correct on how insurance works (a contract between the insurer and the employer), she is completely wrong in her assessment that these services are not medically necessary nor are they to sustain life. That is not true at all. Oftentimes, a contraceptive is medically necessary. And contraceptives and even abortions may be used to sustain the woman's life that may be threatened by pregnancy.
@ Chris in Toledo...there are always exceptions, but the mass majority are running around rampant using the most extreme measures of contraception at the cost of all the rest of the insured in the group.
oooooh, "running around rampant", are they? Have you ever had mental health care, Michele? You should try it.
Hey Tom...Mental Health is a bunch of BS too...have any idea what is spent on people's state of mental health nowadays? Have any idea that half the mental health/diseases out there are man made with no medical proof? Go up your dose of Ritalin or Adderal, and do us all a favor...BTW when your pay check is 1/2 of mine, then come talk to me about what I do for a living. You little "college kids" make me sick. Learn everything from a book or professor that hide in the schools. When you learn what life's about from experience instead of from a book, then come talk to me.
Lol.Keep posting. You're an even bigger entertainer than I thought.
Really, Michele is digging itself in deeper with every post. You're from the same bolt of cloth as that idiot Dietrich who posts moronic drivel on every health board here. Get help, sweetie. You need it.
Pretty funny, though, I must say. This "college kid" is over 50 and has a Master's. I suspect Michele's distrust of book larnin' ended its education at the local high school. Oh, and Michele, you really are terrible at this. You should definitely take a fiction writing class. It might help you lie a bit more convincingly.
Jesus said, GOD, PLEASE PROTECT ME FROM YOUR FOLLOWERS! FOR THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND COMPASSION!
I thought you were Non-Christian?
I am! I just find it funny that Jesus himself asked for protection from relious idiots!
I think if you believe in science you should be exempt from taxes! At least believers of science has proof that it exists!
Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things!
† Atheism makes you stupid, ignorant & blind.
† Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
† Atheism makes you post stupid things.
† Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
† Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
† Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
† Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
† No traditional family lifestyle, boring and feeling 'outsider'
† Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
† Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
† Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
† Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
† Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
† Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
† All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
† The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
† Atheism have no holidays, no culture, no nothing. Waste of living in this planet...
†† Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator ††
Did you learn to copy and paste just today?
I just wonder if Catholics can op out of contraceptives can Jehovah Witness's op out of providing blood transfusions for their employee's. Science and religion must always be seperate in this country.
Surprise Surprise. And what do you think the insurance companies are going to do when they HAVE to cover "FREE" birth
control. You're right....... RAISE INSURANCE RATES
When they have to cover?
Are you retarded? They already cover it you moron! Churches want a special exemption to not offer it! Even to those who aren't catholic! What's next? Mandatory exorcisms for the insane? cuz you could use one you nut!
News Flash: Insurance companies have ALWAYS covered abortions...or did FOX News leave that part out for you.
A Ron and Really...children should learn to be seen and not heard until they know what they're taking about. Ron, see previous post about "abortion alwasy being covered." Really....Yes, insurance companies cover birth control provided that the employer CHOOSES to provide that benefit, and it is more often than not covered with a COPAY...not at no add'l cost to the insured....now that there's no copay, premiums WILL rise in order to subsidize the cost. What a woman once paid for a copayment (let's say $7/month) will now cost ALL OF US since the copay needs to be subsidized by the employer group or insurance company. For argument's sake, let's say your monthly premium goes up $15....now you're still paying your $7 copay (just not as a copay but as a premium) plus another $8 in premium. Why should I or anyone else for that matter get stuck paying for YOUR choice in contraceptive use? Contraceptives ARE NOT medically necessary despite all the whining from women about bad periods, moods, cramping, bleeding...it's a choice for birth control purpose and a way out for women "suffering" from PMS/PMDD who aren't big enough to suck it up and tough it out for a few days. Instead they drug themselves every day....now at everyone else's expense!
Excuse me Michele, isn't this the whole point of having health insurance? Why ever have health insurance if you have to "grow up and tough it out", regadless of how crippling and debilitating the symptoms are, and on a monthly basis at that? As far as as I can tell your post only shows how cruel and heartless you are.
@ UPRIGHT APE...I'm not cruel and heatless, I'm just not a baby. I suffer every month too...extremely, but after a few days it goes away. Have any idea just exactly WHAT the pill does and/or how it works? Probably not. We have health insurance to SUBSIDIZE THE COST....NOT to pay for everything under the sun...especially things that aren't medically necessary. Your problem is that you've fallen for all this medical crap hook line and sinker. Every day there's something new out there that hasn't been tested properly, and your quack doctors push it like wildfire to make a few bucks. Most don't know better and fall for it without knowing the long term affects of the treatment and or meds. Despite the fact that there's so much disputed research and research that shows that the public is being misled, no one wants to hear it because they simply don't want to believe it and are unable to accept that they've been taken for a ride. Keep popping your pills...despite the fact that high estrogen levels are highly linked to breast cancer....is it any wonder why mammograms are saving the lives of women on a daily basis? Shove a pill down your throat not knowing how it works, then let them shove mammograms down your throat for "preventive" measures for everyone instead of for people at high risk, and then give the mammograms all the credit for "finding" cancer early. If women were to use their heads and see that half the crap they take with the pill being at the top of the list in conjunction with breast cancer instead of just blindly doing what the doctor says and/or taking stuff to make them feel better for a few days out of the month, health costs wouldn't be where they are now. So to answer your question, NO this is not the whole point of having health insurance.
Wow. I thought you were ONLY cruel and heartless. Now I can add a few more adjectives: a sadomasochist and a conspiracy theorist to boot. So if there has been no increase in breast cancer rates despite high rates of use of birth control that means there is a conspiracy to perform more mammograms? I guess if there is no increase in rates of brain tumors that is a conspiracy to sell more cell phones. Buttom lines, if you want to be miserable several days a month be my guest. But don't denigrate other women who are not sadomasochists like you.
Michele, I don't care if you RUN a healthcare or insurance company. If you are contending that there are women who do not benefit from the Pill because it relieves SEVERE symptoms of hormonal imbalance for more than a week every month, you're ignorant. It has been shown that the cost of coverage will NOT increase everyone's premiums but may very well result in savings.
Educated yourself.
I think Michele is the one who doesn't know how the pill works.
I'll wager Michele doesn't work in the healthcare industry at all–she's likely one of the nut jobs who post this baloney on the health boards all the time–along with idiotic conspiracy theories about vaccines.
@ Upright...Feel free to do whatever it is that you want...Just don't expect ME to have to pay for it. When you know what I know, then you'll shut up, until then, ignorance is bliss!
I am sure you know a lot no one else knows Michele. That is the good thing about hearing voices. In the meantime when your church starts paying taxes, hence not being subsidized with my money, you can expect your insurance premium not to pay for things you deny yourself and demand others do the same.
"When you know what I know, you'll shut up."
How come that doesn't seem to the case with you, Michele?
Michele, I would be very happy to opt out of paying your insurance-industry salary and have healthcare administrated through a Public Option. Then you wouldn't have to worry about women's birth control pill co-pays and just pay for cheap pregnancies, births and children. However, your industry fought that tooth and nail, so I am stuck with people like you between my money and healthcare, so you can push your paper around and make sure your bosses make a lot of money that would be better spent on healthcare.