Catholic parishioners voice different opinions on contraception controversy
The American Catholic bishops at New York's St. Patrick's Cathedral in 2009.
February 13th, 2012
12:08 PM ET

Catholic parishioners voice different opinions on contraception controversy

By Stacey Samuel, CNN

Washington (CNN) – As the fight between the White House and Catholic bishops over contraception coverage continues, parishioners attending Mass on Sunday appeared to be divided over which side to support.

“I feel people should have a choice. And, that’s where I stand, even though it might be contradictory” to Catholic teaching, said Ron Kramer as he left an 8 a,m. mass with his wife at St. Patrick’s Catholic Church in Washington.

James Class, leaving the same Mass with his young family, disagreed.

“They’re having to reverse engineer their way out of this problem,” he said, referring to the White House’s attempt to revise its contraception rule to address Catholic concerns.

Class said that even after a revision President Barack Obama announced Friday - which makes insurance companies, not Catholic institutions, responsible for paying for no-cost contraception coverage - he still worried that Catholic hospitals and universities would be indirectly funding contraception, which the church opposes.

The original White House mandate required religiously affiliated institutions, with the exception of churches, to pay for contraception for female employees, triggering a national outcry among Catholic bishops.

On Friday, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops released a statement condemning the revised contraception rule.

Polls show that more than 90 percent of practicing Catholics use contraception but that they are split on whether Catholic institutions should be exempted from covering birth control for employees in their insurance policies.

“If I was to work in the Catholic Church I would just know that, OK, [birth control is] not covered by insurance,” said Monica Forquer, another St. Patrick’s parishioner. “They don’t believe in those kinds of things, that’s how it’s going to be.”

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soundoff (125 Responses)
  1. Tom

    Catholic Bishops, don't they have anything better to do? Like protect little boys from say, the Catholic Bishops.

    February 13, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Bam Bam

      Of course they have better things to do! You think those snappy outfits just appear out of thin air? There are design meetings and fittings and cloth selection and internal fashion shows, and they have to go get the sweat shops in Asia to produce them.

      Those are busy men in those fancy dresses!

      February 13, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  2. PrimeNumber

    Old Guys wearing dresses. Let's all laugh! Oh, I just realized: they're gay guys in drag. That's okay then. (I feel so broad-minded, now.)

    February 13, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • sam

      Every time you have another one of your liquid lunches and then get on this blog, we all suffer. AA has 12 steps you might like.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
  3. Yup

    Atheists are one sad and angry bunch........atheast the ones that gather on CNN's comments section.

    February 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Never been happier dude.

      This Internet thingy has made me realize that not all the world is bigoted and Christian!

      So party on, but be advised, we are sleeping with your "good Christian" girls behind your back.

      It seems they like the liberation of it!

      February 13, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • arrogance

      Why don't you address a specific post rather than showing your ignorance by making such an obviously untrue generalization.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Baba O'Reily

      I see by the repetitions and gumpian thinking, Prayer Troll/Just Saying has a new ID and a new schtick. Just when you think he cannot get any dumber . . .

      February 13, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      *SNARL* No god! *growl*
      **mouth frothy with spittle* Jesus zombie bad! GRRRRR
      *sobbing uncontrollably* Oh for the sweet embrace of blind faith! boo hoo hooey

      February 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      @Demuth Sleeping with our Christian girls behind our back., you say Watch out you don't spread an STD, father an unwanted child you're clueless about raising, or break up a marriage. Oh! Wait ! You can blaim the church for that, too.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • sam

      Prime, are you drunk again?

      February 13, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Snow

      @prime.. everybody knows how hypocritical you bunch are.. so, lets breakdown your argument..

      Watch out you don't spread an STD:: with the amount of sleeping around they do, it is Will who should be careful when he out with one of your girls..

      father an unwanted child:: Not a chance.. maybe you missed it in the last few weeks, but studies show over 90% of those devout catholic ladies are popping pills everyday..

      break up a marriage:: heard of this devout christian named Newt.. apparently, he is your salvation

      February 13, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • .....

      "Atheists are one sad and angry bunch........atheast the ones that gather on CNN's comments section."

      Your poor spelling gives you away every time. How's that log doing in your eye? LOL! 4

      February 13, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Yup

      More desperation for the xtians, too funny! LMAO!

      February 13, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • Yup

      @baba oreilley – Haha nice try, but wrong......You won't know who I am because I change my moniker almost daily. It's quite comical though when someone assumes they know who it is behind a handle, in all reality nobody has a clue.

      I've had many monikers before so doubtful you'll recognize me, hippypoet, reality, just saying, prayer changes things, tom tom the pipers son, william demuth, chuckles, etc.....the list goes on

      February 13, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      @Snow " father an unwanted child:: Not a chance.. maybe you missed it in the last few weeks, but studies show over 90% of those devout catholic ladies are popping pills everyday.." If you read posts by REALITY, he/she explains the high failure rate of condoms and conrtaceptives. Do you atheists ever listen to each other?

      February 13, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • Yup

      "I've had many monikers before so doubtful you'll recognize me, hippypoet, reality, just saying, prayer changes things, tom tom the pipers son, william demuth, chuckles, etc.....the list goes on"

      Oh, and I forgot to mention I am also the emotional immature troll on this site, best to ignore me when ever possible.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • William Demuth


      So whats wrong with breaking up a family? Darwins morality is REALITY. All your Bronze Age dogma is irrelevant.

      February 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
  4. Squidward Tentacles

    Anyone who bases any part of their vote on this idiotic non-issue has failed at their civic responsibilities and really should not be allowed to vote.

    Voters are supposed to be doing what is best for the country, and focusing on the MAJOR positions a candidate takes, not on this trivial stuff. Remember, we generally do not vote on the actual issues in this country, so you are stuck voting for a representative on most things.

    Religion is not important in deciding how to run the country.

    Choosing a candidate based on religion is like choosing a tuxedo because you really like the zipper on the fly.

    February 13, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  5. Dakota2000

    Catholics used to burn "witches" who were women dispensing contraceptives and abortifacients. So, what's new?

    February 13, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      Have you ever said that the church should get up to date? Yes? Then why do people like you keep reminding yourselves about stuff that happened centuries ago?

      February 13, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • sam

      @Prime: Um...because the church is still sadly out of date.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Stevie7


      So, you can't both point out that the church behind the times and also has a not-too-stellar history? The two are unrelated – and both valid.

      Epic. Logic. Fail.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • sam

      He's just drunk-posting again.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      @Stevie7 So, you can't both point out that the church behind the times and also has a not-too-stellar history? The two are unrelated – and both valid. " Of course you can. But tell that to Sam and Dakota. Their minds are only in the past.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
  6. Nonimus

    I'm not sure what the opinions of the parishioners has to do with anything. They are members of the RCC by choice and that's pretty much their last choice on doctrine, isn't it?

    February 13, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • bff

      You would think so. I have yet to find an RCC member that can explain to my satisfaction how they can call themselves catholic in an organization that says they MUST believe in things they admit they don't believe in.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • JohnR

      Supposedly. But the term choice has been so badly twisted. "I have a right to choose. Therefore you have an obligation to pay." isn't a valid syllogism in any logic book I've ever read.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  7. William Demuth

    This photo made me realize that for want of an I.E.D. sanity might well be lost.

    February 13, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Nonimus

      I almost laughed at this, until I realized that what I had read as, "for want of an I.U.D" was really "I.E.D."

      February 13, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • William Demuth


      IED, IUD, whats a letter between freinds!

      They are both birth control, one is just expostfacto.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Nonimus


      (sorry, that was bad.)

      February 13, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • William Demuth


      I loved it! Gallows humor rules!

      February 13, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • sam

      You guys are cracking me up, today.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  8. Unforunately Not Surprised

    Wow, what's with all the hateful, ignorant, prideful, condescending comments? I feel bad for you people.

    February 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Truth

      "In his pride the wicked does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God." Psalm 10:4

      February 13, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • William Demuth

      You defend a gaggle of deviants who bugger little boys and defraud little old ladies whilst hiding behind a Palestinian Super Hero from the Bronze Age, and you call us ignorant?

      Many of the men on that altar need to be tried for crimes against humanity and hung.

      If you support this cult in ANY way, you are directly complicit in child abuse of the worst kind.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Unforunately Not Surprised

      @ William

      I was referring to the comments only, not the article. I do believe that the perishoners, or anyone involved should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I am a follower of Christ, not the Catholic Church. Anybody who does these things, regardless of religion needs to be prosecuted.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Alpa Chino

      What do you mean, 'you people'?

      February 13, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
  9. Tom, Tom, The P00PER'S Son

    I like turtles

    February 13, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Bishops in the photo

      "We like boys..."

      February 13, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
  10. boocat

    Back in the early beginnings of the RCC, popes, bishops and cardinals married and had children and owned property. The RCC changed the rules because alot of these people than designated their progeny as heirs to their property and the powers that be of the RCC didn't like it because they wanted the goods themselves so they made a new rule....no marriage and no children. Don't believe me...do some research. It's true. Same as the b.s. rule of no meat on Fridays. One of the popes had siblings that were fishermen so he thought it would increase business for his siblings if consuming meat was banned. Hence the no meat on Friday rule. Don't believe the RCC's bull**** excuse about any of this. They're liars.

    February 13, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      You're entire post is nonsense. You are ill informed about the topics listed and unless you are a scholar in Catholic Studies or the history of the church, you should refrain from comenting on things you don't understand. Your opinion isn't fact. As an example, the so called rule about meat on Fridays has nothing to do with fishermen. It's a sacrificial expression that is in fact still observed. If one wants to eat meat, they must offer up an alternate sacrifice as a way of penance for their sins. It seems liars come from both sides of the argument.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      Boocay, is not complete wrong, the celibacy was proscribe about 300dc, and did not become doctrine until Constantine Council of Nicea. NOTE: I think Peter was married and there have been Popes that were married and had children.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
  11. Hypatia

    sick filth defending medieval nonsense.

    February 13, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Answer

      Basically – yes.

      Those that cling on to this drivel are utterly worthless.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • T$F%

      What have you done to contribute to society, to deem other worthless, but not yourself?

      February 13, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
  12. T$F%

    Can you imagine working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics:

    29 have been accused of spousal abuse

    7 have been arrested for fraud

    19 have been accused of writing bad checks

    117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

    3 have done time for assault

    71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit

    14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

    8 have been arrested for shoplifting

    21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

    84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year

    Can you guess which organization this is?

    It's the 535 members of the United States Congress.

    The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each

    year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

    February 13, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • reddragon

      For a second there... I thought you were talking about the catholic church.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • JohnR

      @reddragon But interestingly, he wasn't. The god delusion is a rather minor idiocy compared to the faith in governmental beneficence delusion.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • PrimeNumber

      T$F% , you shouldn't point out inconvenient truths on the CNN faith blog. When you threaten an atheist's fragile paradigm, he has to look beyond this blog for meaning in life. This makes him grouchy.

      February 13, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  13. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 13, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • William Demuth, child of God


      February 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • sayeth me

      Jayzus H Krist on a skate board. Will you knock it off already?

      February 13, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Answer

      No religious nut will ever understand that atheism itself is the 'factor' that changes things.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      February 13, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • JohnR

      Atheism is THE factor that changes things? Oh my, how the delusions are spreading. Must be contagious.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Nope

      *The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs."""""`~~~~

      February 13, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • nope

      nope. .

      February 13, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Yup


      nope. ."

      More desperation from the xtians. LMAO!

      February 13, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
  14. sayeth me

    Never have really understood the preoccupation that religons have with reproduction and s exuality.

    February 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Stevie7

      The fact that the RCC has a problem with possibly indirectly paying for insurance coverage for medication that it doesn't even have an issue with depending upon the reason for the medication but doesn't seem all that worried about Catholic businesses paying taxes that fund, say , wars and nuclear weapons, says a lot. Why aren't they trying to opt out of taxes used to support the DoD?

      February 13, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Answer


      What 'religion' doesn't get is s-e-x. Their kind are always s-e-xually repressed. So raping to get what they couldn't get in real life is normal for their kind.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • JohnR

      For all their many, many faults, the catholic church and the US bishops are among the few truly consistently pro-life partisans. If you want screaming hypocrites who mourn every deceased blastula but happily support military might and the death penalty, check out the evangelical community. The catholic church in recent years has been anti-war and anti-death-penalty. Its deeper history is of course something else entirely. I guess its easier to be against war when you don't have the might to wage it yourself and against the death penalty when you can no loner burn people alive for believing in the wrong bit of arcane nonsense. But it is what it is and the catholic church has been far less hypocritical than most of late, at least on these life/death issues.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
  15. tim-tam

    If altar boys could get preggers, the bishops would be singing a different tune

    February 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  16. JohnQuest

    I have read all I could find on this and still do not see where or what the problem is? The Religious affiliated organizations have been required to provide this on their insurance for years, seems with the new law it's better for them (now they do not have to offer or pay for this part of the the insurance they offer their employees). So why isn't this better for them?

    February 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
  17. 3Pigs

    Talk about flogging a dead horse with a dead stick! Catholic Bishops oppose contraception. Catholics are divided on the issue, though most Catholics use or have used contraceptives. Hmm, what else? You're not a true Catholic unless you do everything the Bishops tell you to and do it the way they tell you to. And Obama is evil unless he is not.

    February 13, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  18. J.W

    Why don't they take a vote of all Catholics over whether they favor this. If they vote yes we should just forget about it and leave it as is.

    February 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • William Demuth

      A democratic religion?

      HAHAHAHA. Power is the REASON churches exist, and you believe they might share it?

      Might I interest you in a bridge?

      February 13, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      Truth isn't up for a vote of concensus. That's what brought about the Inconvenient truth which is the biggest hoax of all. They call that relativism i think.

      February 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • William Demuth

      SPA Knight

      So now you reneg your ability to judge truth for yourself?

      Let me guess, you're a Republican?

      February 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
  19. William Demuth

    Don't the bishops look like a bunch of sperm cells standing on an altar?

    February 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • dats right

      With those goofy hats, yup.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      Every sperm is sacred.
      Every sperm is great.
      If a sperm is wasted,
      God gets quite irate.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Answer

      @Brother Maynard

      Every sperm is sacred.
      Every sperm is great.
      If a sperm is wasted,
      God gets quite irate.


      So... the best solution is to swallow. Thank you for that insight.

      February 13, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Woody

      The tops of those hats can probably used as drill bits. It makes it a lot easier for them to dig holes in the sand in which they bury their heads.

      February 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  20. William Demuth

    Please ask the Priests to wrap their rascals when they get into the altar boys.

    February 13, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
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