February 16th, 2012
01:36 PM ET

Explainer: How and why do Mormons baptize the dead?

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

The recent disclosure that Mormons baptized the dead parents of Jewish Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal by proxy has sparked outrage in the Jewish world. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has apologized for the baptism, which it says resulted from the actions of a church member acting in violation of church policy. The LDS church vowed to stop baptizing Jewish Holocaust victims in 1995.

But proxy baptism for the dead is a proud Mormon tradition. Here are the basics about how it works and why Mormons do it.

Why do Mormons practice proxy baptism for the dead?

For Mormons, baptizing the dead solves a big theological problem: How do billions of people who never had the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ – including those who lived before Jesus walked the earth – receive salvation? By baptizing the dead, a practice known as posthumous proxy baptism, Mormons believe they are giving every person who ever lived the chance at everlasting life. That includes Muslims, Hindus, atheists, pagans, whoever.

“Mormons believe that there is a place the dead go where they are in ‘spirit prison’ and where they have the chance to accept the Christian baptism,” says Richard Bushman, a Mormon scholar at Columbia University. “But it’s a duty to actually perform Christian ordinance of baptism, so Mormons seek out every last person who ever lived and baptize them.”

Many Mormons are proud of the fact that they attempt to make their faith universal through baptizing the dead. “Historically, Christians have been exclusive,” says Terryl Givens, an expert on Mormonism at the University of Richmond. “Catholics have taught that only Catholics are saved, and evangelicals say only if you confess according to their tradition. Mormons say, ‘No, salvation is open to all people.’”

“In that sense Mormonism is the most nonexclusive religion in the Christian world,” Givens says.

So are all those who are baptized after death considered Mormon?

No. Mormons believe that baptism provides the deceased with the opportunity to join the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but not the obligation. They don't know if the dead actually accept Jesus. “This is about putting names on the guest list,” says Givens. “They might not go the party, but they are given the chance.’

How does the church decide who is baptized?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints encourages its members to baptize the dead in their families going back at least four generations.

The church also has teams at headquarters in Salt Lake City and that travel around the world to identify as many people as possible to baptize, whether or not they’re in the lineage of present-day Mormons. “The church is constantly going through parish records, wills, deeds and every other genealogical source so they can extract names and put these people through the temple process,” says Bushman.

The LDS says it does not know how many deceased have been baptized. Experts say the number is in the millions.

There is no way for a person to prevent himself or herself from being baptized by the LDS church after death.

After Jews complained about baptisms of Jewish Holocaust victims, saying such baptisms deny the Jewish identity of those who died because of their faith, the LDS church worked with Jewish groups to stop the practice. But the system of preventing the baptism of Holocaust victims, initiated in 1995, has not been foolproof, as was shown this week with the disclosure about Wiesenthal’s parents.

What are Mormon baptism ceremonies like?

Baptisms for the dead happen inside Mormon temples. Members of the LDS church volunteer to undergo full immersion baptism while the names of the dead are read. An LDS member might participate in 10 or so posthumous proxy baptisms at a time. Young Mormons especially are encouraged to participate, as a way to participate in temple life.

How old is the practice of baptizing the dead?

Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, introduced baptism for the dead in the 1840s. Mormons cite Paul’s letter to the Corinthians as precedent to the practice. “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead not rise at all?” reads Corinthians 15:29. “Why are they then baptized for the dead?”

For Mormons, baptizing the dead is not seen as a new Mormon tradition but as a practice that ancient Christians practiced and that the LDS Church has reintroduced.

What other questions do you have about the practice? Let us know in the comments below.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Judaism • Mormonism

soundoff (2,301 Responses)
  1. Joe

    All christians are goofy. This is just one example of outdated cultic practices the uneducated and unintelligent cling to. Religion is a complete waste of time.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • W247


      February 17, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
  2. Joe

    Wow, I noticed a ton of negative comments below a very accurate, factual, and unbiased article. Thank you CNN for actually stating the facts without trying to throw a spin on this story.

    For everyone else, if you don't believe in baptisms for the dead, then why do you care if mormons say a bunch of words about some dead person?

    February 17, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Joe

      There is nothing unbiased or factual about christianity... It is full of hate-filled lunatics. This is just one example of what these wacko christians do in the name of their "god"

      February 17, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • JJ Jukebox

      because putting up with fools sucks

      February 17, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Truthship

      I want to be in with the Jews on this one. I want to be on the Mormon do not call list when I am dead.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • meemee

      For many reasons, but not the least that Mormons make their doings public. If they did it in a "closet" they could keep it a secret and no one would know so no one would have any thoughts on it. Making it public is to say to others of a family or group, "Look, we've come into your lives and done this with your ancestors, and you can't do anything about it." Respect for the dead would dictate an ethic that once dead, you leave them alone because they cannot speak for themselves or defend themselves. Your religious neurosis is your own problem. Your need to foist it onto to others and even the dead, is arrogance. I'd love to see you try to baptize some dead Native Americans.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  3. Qularkono

    they are not Christians because they do not believe the basic teachings of the Old and New Testaments. The "Jesus" they believe in is not the Jesus of the Bible (it is equivalent to saying they are holding a rose when in fact they have a weed in their hands". Their "Jesus" is a created being just as we are whom they say lived a "good" enough life to become devine. While Jesus in the Bible is the eternal God, the alpha and the omega ... He created all things including you and me.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • capnmike

      You really believe all that nonsense? Pathetic!

      February 17, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • murpis

      Hate to break it to you but you are dead wrong. Mormons are Christians and believe in the same Jesus that is in the Old and New Testament. The whole Bible is a huge part of that religion.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • yupyup

      I have many LDS friends and I can promise you they are christians, more so than anyone other religion I know. They're practices and beliefs are identical to how Christ organized his church. My guess is you're going off information received from third parties.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • aracruz

      My Jesus is better than your Jesus. Come on, get real. Such argument makes me wonder if you would recognize him if he was sitting right in front of you...then again can he sit or can he not sit?...

      February 17, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Ghostdog

      Actually, we do believe that Jesus is the Eternal God. We also believe that He is the divine Son of God (or Heavenly Father), whom He prayed to and spoke to while on the cross. He was the Son of God and Mary. He did live an exemplary life, a perfect life, in which He was obedient to the Father in all ways. He was baptized by immersion by John the Baptist.

      In other words, we do believe the Bible. We also believe the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

      If you really want to think about it, Catholics believe in a purgatory which is very similar to what we term a "spirit prison", which a place in which the spirit resides and can still learn and progress until the resurrection when all men and women will be judged based upon their works and desires. If you look at most Christian religions you would find that many actually have this as part of their beliefs.

      Perhaps, you try to understand others beliefs instead of discriminating against people because of their religion.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • dave

      Qularkono, I love comments like yours because they start of by saying "Mormons don't believe..." and then proceed to list things Mormons do in fact believe in. I mean no offense, but your info is totally off base – if you want to know what Mormons believe, go talk to, you know, a Mormon. Chances are one of your neighbors or coworkers is a Mormon – just go ask them.

      It cracks me up how often people speak authoritatively on what Mormons believe without actually bothering to talk to a Mormon.

      February 17, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
  4. Joe

    Maybe mormons are just Pac fans. "god bless the dead" and all that...

    February 17, 2012 at 11:42 am |
  5. cronewinter

    I cannot think of a more angering or offense practice. If I found that my parents had been violated after death by the presumptuousness of some morman (or any other religious group) I might become violent. Baptize this proud pagan after my death and I'll do my utmost best to haunt the most sacred place in their temple and scare the jesus right out of them. Oh!!!..How dare they think they have the right to interfere in anothers spirit life.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • murpis

      If you don't believe that it works, then why do you care?

      February 17, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • juraman123

      Funny stuff...(haunting them once you're dead and scaring the bejesus out of them:). Go get 'em!:)

      February 17, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • CJB

      As a proud atheist, I have to say you're being more than ridiculous. If someone wants to pray for me or be baptized by proxy for me...go ahead. The thing is, I don't believe it does anything, so what difference is it to me? To say you think it violates you is silliness.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • Oakspar

      Either they are correct and offering you a blessing or they are incorrect and are getting a fancy bath that means nothing.

      So, if it has meaning, it is good. If it has no meaning, then it is meaningless and not worth bothering about.

      That someone would believe in their practice enough to care about it at all and then not believe it enough to be thankful for it is idiotic hypocracy.

      The Mormons can baptize my memory, the Santarians can stick my doll with pins, and the Hindus can go looking for my spirit crawling around their garden – but if they succeed in any way that affects me, it means they were right. Otherwise, they are wasting their time on foolishness, not mine.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  6. tutuvabene

    If it's so important to give the dead their "chance" to embrace Jesus Christ, why don't other Christian sects practice this as well? Also, how do the Mormons know that ancient Christians practiced baptism by proxy?

    February 17, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • CJB

      As the article stated, they get that belief from a statement made by Paul in the Bible that seems to indicate such a practice.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • craig

      Baptizing fot the dead was practiced by the pagans during Pauls time. It was seeping into the Corinthian Church and Paul was rebuking them for it.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  7. J.R.

    For my comments please refer to BoldGeorge comment, February 17, 2012 at 10:06 am
    I agree in it's entirety.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:41 am |
  8. Hitchalike

    This practice reaffirms my belief that Mormons have the goofiest dogma of any organized religion I know. Ranks right up there with Christ burying those tablets for ole' Joe to find. Funny also how they have "epiphanies" whhenever their practices land them in hot water

    February 17, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • Mike

      But it's perfectly understandable that the Son of God suffered and died for all of us, BY PROXY, so that we can all be saved.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:50 am |
  9. ZL

    what this article leaves out however...is that no Jew can be saved. If you have jewish ancestry then you are doomed to hell. These people also believe whites are 'God's' race and blacks are 'Satan's' race. So Jews and African Americans can't be redeemed. They wouldn't even allow them near the church until 1978 when they were forced to. Which begs the question, how can these people support Israel, when they believe the Bible came from America.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • efgdf

      You are very uninformed.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Ashley

      Sounds to me like you don't know very much about the LDS church.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • CJB

      As a former Mormon who left over ideological differences (the biggest of which is that I don't believe in God), I have to say that your attack on them is unfounded. There is nothing in Mormon doctrine that prohibits Jews or African Americans from Salvation. There are certainly problems with the tradition of needing baptism to be saved, but they're hardly limited to the Mormon church. Which is worse, being told your ancestors have to wait for a proxy ceremony to be saved, or being told they're damned to Hell for all eternity because they didn't hear your religion? Again, both are ridiculous, but it's not like the Mormon position is worse.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • murpis

      Congratulations! You just won for the most ignorant comment.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Ivan

      It's funny how people outside the LDS faith think they are the experts on what Mormons believe and practice. I'm a Mormon, and I'm calling you out. That was a full load of baloney.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • rafael

      All the lunacy seems about right.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  10. blake

    What lunacy, and it goes far beyond this practice. Please do not call these folks Christian, they are not. They are a cult that claims to be Christian.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • CJB

      Let me get this straight...these folks are crazy, but somehow you aren't? I'm getting from your comment that you are Christian. So you believe that a carpenter from the time of the Roman empire was killed and because of that, everybody gets to go to heaven, and that if he hadn't done it, we'd all be damned because a lady ate an apple offered to her by a snake. That's right, Christianity is perfectly logical.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
  11. Jeepers

    Why? Because they are cra-za-zy.

    February 17, 2012 at 11:34 am |
  12. pastmorm

    I'm surprised at the blatant bias of this article. It's like a little conversion tool provide by CNN. How do you non-mormons like the idea that no matter how good your family members were while they were alive on this earth, they still have to live in "spirit prison" until some mormon does a proxy baptism for them...and worse yet, what happens if your wise relation refuses to accept this proxy baptism? Then they stay in prison regardless of their goodness or own beliefs? How presumptuous and pretentious and offensive can the mormon religion be? They are telling everyone that if you're not a mormon – a cult formed by a boot-legging criminal less than 200 years ago – then you're never going to be with God or Christ. Say no to mormons. Say no to their beliefs. Push back and get the word out that their practice is unacceptable!

    February 17, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • rinsac

      I totally agree with you.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • GLM

      Seems just about as reasonable or unreasonable as anything any other religion does.

      I was under the morbid impression that they baptized the actual *corpses,* but since it's a by proxy ceremony with living people, I no longer care. Byyyye.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • jerry

      I grew up in Utah and this isnt the only thing Mormons do thats offensive to nonmormons... The argument of religious freedom is bogus, religious freedom means you can do what you want with YOUR FAMILY NOT MINE MORMONS!

      February 17, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • emerica07

      @pastmorm, First off, your statement is incorrect. We do not believe those who have lived a good life will wait in spirit prison, we believe they will live in a state of paradise until the second coming. Second off, posthumous baptisms are not a new concept see 1 corinthians 15:29, Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? Any attempts to shrug this off as a reference by Paul to a practice he does not condone but only uses to support the doctrine of the resurrection are indefensible. Paul's statement makes no sense unless the practice was valid and the saints in Corinth knew it. I don't understand the outrage in posthumous baptism, the person who is baptized, still has their own agency to choose wether they accept the gospel or not.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:49 am |
  13. BoldGeorge

    None of this is sane doctrine nor promoted/condoned anywhere in the bible. One's salvation is never someone else's responsibility. There is no limbo, nor spirit prison nor mid world between heaven and hell. The bible talks about Hades and this place is basically the gates of Hell. And most of all, no one can ever intercede nor be a middle-man between man and God the Father other than CHRIST Himself. What Mormons have done by believing this false doctrine (or making up if you asked me) is avoid Hell in their minds, which is basically what everyone else does when they want to avoid the concept of Hell just so to go on living a sinful lifestyle.

    What Mormons do by baptizing on behalf of the dead is the same concept as worshiping idols, kind of what Catholics do when they pray upon a "saint" in the form of a figurine, photo, charm, etc...all against God's commandments.

    February 17, 2012 at 10:06 am |
    • johnnyroastbeef

      Catholics do not pray to pictures, idols, or Saints. Catholics ask Saints to pray to God on their behalf. Catholic prayer is reserved for God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You probably shouldn't comment on things you don't understand. Judge not lest ye be judged.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Mike

      You misunderstand. It is merely a service that is performed by one individual for someone who cannot perform it themselves (hmm...sounds familiar). The "relationship" ends there. The individual is not interceding on behalf of the other, they are not offering their faith to save the other, it's not like that. We are all saved by the atonement of Christ, no exception.

      The Bible also makes it clear that only those born again by the water (baptism) and the Spirit cannot enter heaven. I guess it sucks for the millions who were born and died without ever hearing the Gospel, much less having been baptized. Plus, Paul makes it very clear baptisms were performed for the dead anciently.

      So who's making things up to get themselves out of hot water?

      February 17, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • emerica07

      @boldgeorge, how can you say this isn't promoted in the bible? Posthumous baptisms are not a new concept see 1 corinthians 15:29, Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? Any attempts to shrug this off as a reference by Paul to a practice he does not condone but only uses to support the doctrine of the resurrection are indefensible. Paul's statement makes no sense unless the practice was valid and the saints in Corinth knew it. Also why would Christ preach to those in prison had their souls been lost? Peter 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • W247

      boldgeorge is completely spot on with his assessment and comments.

      Paul was warning the Corinthians not to accept practices that were going on pagan cults in that area.
      Baptism is an outward symbol of turning your life over to the Lord – a renewal, a new person. Baptism has nothing to do with your salvation. The John 3:5 verse can be equated to the verse in EPH 5 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word

      They both talk about water in the same context – the word of the Lord. John 3:5 the word (water) and the spirit

      February 17, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
  14. Lorin

    I have been disappointed with CNN's lack of accuracy in this story. Though Mr. Weisel's parents' names were found in a genealogical data base, no proxy baptisms were performed for these individuals. Please see http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/jewish-names-entered-genealogical-database.

    February 17, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      A genealogical database??? Why wud that b important 2 a X'tian denomination. The X'tian Church has never needed such a thing cos this world is not our worry. Its YHWH who knows dose who r His not parish records. Also we don't baptise de dead b'cos whether X'tian or not they had a conscience to obey.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      The reason u have never heard of a Christian or Messianic Jewish Temple is that we recognise the Jews right to build the Temple of YHWH in Jerusalem.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Know What


      If you are into accuracy, you might note that this article is about Simon Wiesenthal, not anyone named 'Weisel'.

      The LDS genealogical records are incorrect for a lot of families – mine included.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Know What

      Nii Croffie,

      Genealogy not important? What's with all of those "begats" in the Bible then... and the whole tracing back of Jesus' line in the NT?... (even tho' it's based on a not-genetically-related stepfather on one side).

      February 17, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      We Christians believe Christ is God the Father and the Holy Spirit is God the Father so that they are One. He is the Self-Existent One or YHWH. If you do not believe this you are not Christian. Otherwise Jehovah Witnesses will also be Christians as they believe in Jesus and holy spirit.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      The Bible supports the notion that the children are innocent.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Our God does use deeds of loving care to judge humans regardless of religion. All u have to do is love your neighbor s urself and show it in your actions. Thank u for recognising the true biblical perspective on Judgement.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Thank u that u recognise the biblic al perspective. The God of the Bible judges people as to whether they love their fellow human beings as themselves. He crea ted man in his image and ther efore to love even your ene my is to prove you love Him as well.

      February 17, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Dan

      Right on! the world is not our worry! We are not our brother's keepers! Crap wait a second... that sounds familiar. Son of a...

      February 17, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  15. lastofall

    Sorry, but such a thing is not at all the will of God, and it is such things as this as to why many exaggerate and over-estimate God´s Word, because they refuse to stop thinking above [beyond] that which is written.

    February 17, 2012 at 7:48 am |
  16. Reality

    Since there never were an Adam and Eve, Garden of Paradise or talking serpent, there never was any original sin i.e. baptism is a silly supersti-tion that even the Catholic church is slowly coming to grips with.

    February 17, 2012 at 7:41 am |
  17. A. I. L

    http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng <- Read it people.

    February 17, 2012 at 7:03 am |
    • just sayin

      The only scripture the lds has was stolen from the Bible as misused by the false prophet joe smith.

      February 17, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • Mirosal

      What is the difference between a cult and a religion? The number of members. A few dozen = cult. A few million = religion. Other than that, the words are interchangeable.

      February 17, 2012 at 7:10 am |
    • Dodney Rangerfield

      Whats the difference between mirosal and a horses ass? Still trying to figure that one out, any help out there on the question?

      February 17, 2012 at 7:17 am |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    February 17, 2012 at 6:54 am |
    • Mirosal


      February 17, 2012 at 7:03 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things

      February 17, 2012 at 7:07 am |
    • Mike

      Prayer: How to do absolutely nothing and still think you're helping.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • Brandon

      Ha..Even our government has spent 2 million on prayer research only to find out that it is 100% ineffective. But i could have told them that. Silly supersticious fools.

      February 17, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • HappyAtheist

      Proven????? NOT!

      February 17, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • murpis

      Atheists are a cult. Prayer does work and it has been proven.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • CJB

      This is at the base of some of my biggest problems with religion. When asked why god does not stop children from being tortured and killed, you respond, "free will...god must allow people to make poor choices, but it will all be good after death." But yet you think god will intervene on an employer's free will to make sure that you get a job. Yea, you got that job because of prayer...give me a break.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
  19. TruthPrevails

    @mykids: Do not waste your valuable time arguing or debating with Nii. You are obviously better than that and Nii has proven time and time again how much hypocrisy he speaks. He would like to think he more intelligent you due to his education in theocracy and believes he has all the answers. You'll never get a straight answer...it's like speaking to a 5 year old child.

    February 17, 2012 at 6:32 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      This Canadian! U have a way with personal attacks don't u? Theology and apologetics are to help people understand their faith and explain it to people respectively. You can go to a theological school so that they help u do that with atheism. Right now u r short of ideas and that makes u angry.

      February 17, 2012 at 6:40 am |
    • Mirosal

      Nii's education is lacking. His spelling is poor and his grammar is atrocious. Let's hear it for the Ghana public school system!! lol

      February 17, 2012 at 6:41 am |
    • Mirosal

      Nii, I went to parochial religious schools, And THAT is what makes people angry. Just being there is not a pleasant thing, let alone the classes.

      February 17, 2012 at 6:44 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Mirosal u r still angry r u? Don't worry just say,"goose fra ba" repeatedly n I'm sure u'll calm down. My spelling stays as it is! Ghanaian public schools? U must be joking! My schools were better than most of what u call schools in ur country. No metal detectors and sniffer dogs!

      February 17, 2012 at 6:49 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      It is just a question of character and relationship training. I didn't have it easy either from my agnostic father which made me very hardened. He was angry b'cos of a strict religious upbringing but I decided to forgive n let go so I can be free to exhibit better character traits. Its working 4 me.

      February 17, 2012 at 6:55 am |
    • Mirosal

      At least we understand that the letter "u" by itself is NOT a word in the Emglish language. Neither is the letter "n", nor the dipthong "ur". Using the letters 'ur' is NOT how you spell the words "your" or "you're". There IS an ancient city called Ur, but that is a proper noun and not a possessive, or a 2nd person verb. If you are too lazy to type out simple words properly, then your opinion doesn't count for much.

      February 17, 2012 at 6:57 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: You're farther removed from the States than I am...Ghana is not a popular country moron. I'm not angry in the least....sickened that you use the 'no true scotsman fallacy' and try to correct everyone here who has a different opinion than you do. How, outside of your personal delusions, do you know you have the right god? How can you possibly sit back and call mykids out on her beliefs when your own set of beliefs are not much different? You both believe in the same god and whether or I not agree on if said god exists does not make a difference...by simply arguing the true christian thing with her, you are proving your hypocrisy. The fact remains that you have no more evidence for what you believe than she does and arguing with her is proving how brainwashed you are. You seem to think that because you have studied the stuff you are an authority on it and that is seriously wrong. Remember, I have been to your facebook page and yes, you are a hypocrite...you don't even follow your own book-you are bi-se.xual (a sin according to that book). I will be more than happy to continue to expose you via posting the link to your facebook page.
      So who are you to judge this person on her beliefs? You are the epitome of a bad christian.

      Mirosal: I'll inbox you his facebook page link. 🙂 This guy is a joke. Gotta love how he jumped on the CA bandwagon when Ghana is so much further removed from your country than we are. What is even more funny is that it looks like Nii went to seminary because he is too lazy to earn an honest dollar and instead believes in living off the avails of other people's hard earned money.

      February 17, 2012 at 6:57 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      the link to Nii's facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/nii.croffie

      February 17, 2012 at 7:01 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Next time U can just have a laugh over it as u learn forgiveness. I attended private Catholic primary n junior high school too but they were more focussed on academics than X'tianity. The cane was not far tho but it helped us more than harm us. I was lazy at Maths and I owe my engineering deg to it.

      February 17, 2012 at 7:04 am |
    • Prayer for the country

      God keep our land
      Prayer borrowed from the Canadian national anthem
      Canada founded on Judeo Christian values and dedicated to and by continual prayer

      February 17, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: What do I need to forgive? Forgiveness comes when an apology is in place and since you have yet to apologize for your attacks on me, Mirosal, mykids and any other person that disagrees with you, I see no reason to forgive.

      February 17, 2012 at 7:07 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      CA is really too cold for u, huh? It was Mirosal I was talking to but u were so much on fire trying to thaw ur poor brain that you did not notice. Calling u a Canadian is not an insult, is it? So what wud I b apologising for? If u r so happy knowing my facebook page u cud request friendship too.

      February 17, 2012 at 7:24 am |
    • Mirosal

      Nii, learn to spell. Those Catholic schools didn't teach you very well, did they? You said you were not very good at 'maths', but you owe your engineering degree to it. The word is "math", and if you owe your degree to it, you must have been at the BOTTOM of your class. What kind of engineering?

      February 17, 2012 at 7:29 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: CA refers to Captain America, not Canada! As for facebook friend request...no thank you, you couldn't handle the truth I post daily...it might scare you in to a prayer group or something!

      February 17, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Now Mirosal can u focus please? Math is ur short form but in ours we use maths. Secondly I said when I was in those schools they helped me to improve in maths a great deal. I loved it from then onwards. As to what type of engineer u now know where to get it. What language do u call EMGLISH the way?

      February 17, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      TP I have seen Canada designated CA just as Britain is UK n Ghana is GH. However if u meant Captain America I thought u had laughed off the joke already n forgotten about it. The only thing TRUE about u here is de pseudonym u use. I doubt that on FB it will change much. Unforgiveness is dangerous

      February 17, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • Mirosal

      fine - "emglish" was a typo.. ENGLISH .. happy now? But as for you using 'de" for 'the' and 'u' and 'ur', those are NOT typos, those are just a very good indication that you are unable to spell. Must have been that classy a-nnumber-one education with a cane nearby, huh?

      February 17, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      What is a typo...? Am I supposed to read ur shorthand, now? Am I to even use math(ur shorthand) instead of mine? Thats absurd and u know it. Please if u claim to be rational then u must also know that emotional maturity is part and parcel of that rationality. Pettiness is very much a no go area.

      February 17, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Nnumber? U seem to be commiting these mistakes one time too many. Don't blame typographical error again. Just relax I have the time to listen.

      February 17, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • Mirosal

      A "typo" is a typographical error. It means to hit the wrong key on the keyboard (or typewriter in the days before home computers were popular) by mistake. It happens once in a while, even to the best typists, of which I am not one of. But to use "u" and "ur" is just sloppy, and lazy, and it makes you seem like an uneducated "redneck", to use American terminology.

      February 17, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      U Mirosal r an example of what I do not like about religious people. You fight over silly little things. U understand my shorthand perfectly but u r so determined to stop me that u'll go to any length. You remind me of Pharisees 2o. The type who do not see the benefits of spirituality till they die.

      February 17, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • **


      The British call mathematics, "maths". There's a heavy Brit influence in Ghana (it's a former British colony). I wouldn't be surprised if Nii speaks with a British accent...

      February 17, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • **

      Mirosal - sorry for misspelling your name.

      February 17, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  20. AtheistSteve

    Bill Maher had a pretty funny take on this when he un-baptised Mitt Romney's father-in-law.Edward Davies. Edward was a scientist and atheist who was no doubt, according to Bill, spinning in his grave or 14 months prior to being posthumously baptized....lol.
    But really this is not much different from desecrating a body when you think about how vehemently people like Edward would have opposed this unwanted religious treatment.

    February 17, 2012 at 6:27 am |
    • Mirosal

      Hey Sir Steve... maybe the Jews should raid Mormon cemeteries and circu'mcize all the males in their graves? lol

      February 17, 2012 at 6:29 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      Yes friend Mirosal that would certainly open their eyes to just how distasteful this whole idea is.

      February 17, 2012 at 6:32 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Is the baptizing kind of like an Irish Wake-set the deceased on display, play horrific music and chant while getting soused?

      AtheistSteve: We do get another episode of Real Time tonight....this week it will be focused on Whitney's return to 'heaven'...wonder if he will de-baptize her 🙂 ?

      February 17, 2012 at 7:04 am |
    • Prayer for the country

      God keep our land
      Prayer borrowed from the Canadian national anthem
      Opposition to God is the extreme minority position in Canada

      February 17, 2012 at 7:06 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Prayer changes nothing and if you did any form of research and had any form of actual knowledge you would know that Canada is founded on secular notions and is more secular (approximately 47%) than your country is. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true!

      February 17, 2012 at 7:10 am |
    • Mirosal

      I read some kind of survey not too long ago, and it listed the top 10 countries where religion was expected to pretty much die out within 3-4 generations. Canada was on that list. So much for a "religious" country, right Mr. Spewin', or whichever alias you're using for this post?

      February 17, 2012 at 7:15 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      In a monarchy the monarch is the State. So it does not matter if all CAns were atheist. Their monarch is a Christian hence the State of Canada is a Christian(Anglican) State. Come to Ghana for true secularism.

      February 17, 2012 at 7:37 am |
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