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My Take: The myth and reality of the Catholic vote
The author argues there is not one Catholic vote, but three discrete Catholic votes.
February 20th, 2012
11:39 AM ET

My Take: The myth and reality of the Catholic vote

Editor's Note: Stephen S. Schneck is director of the Institute for Policy Research and Catholic Studies at The Catholic University of America.

By Stephen S. Schneck, Special to CNN

For years, pollsters and political scientists have been stumped about Catholics.

On one hand, it’s been pretty clear that as American Catholics go, so goes the nation. George W. Bush narrowly won the Catholic vote in 2004 and won a second term. Barack Obama narrowly won the Catholic vote in 2008 and, with it, the White House.

It’s easy to see why Catholics are sometimes seen as the swing voters whose shifting political preferences swing elections.

Nevertheless, the idea of a Catholic bloc is patently ridiculous. As voters, American Catholics mirror the electorate as a whole, divided into Democrats, independents, and Republicans at about the same percentages as all Americans. And it’s hard to trace such political complexity to religious allegiance.

One explanation for why is the sheer number of Catholic voters and their now multigenerational assimilation into American society. About 35 million Catholics voted in 2008. That’s about 27% of all voters.

In the 19th century and for much of the 20th, Catholics self-consciously occupied a distinctive identity in America. Predominantly blue collar, they often lived in white ethnic neighborhoods, attended their own schools and colleges, established their own hospitals and charities, and experienced some level of discrimination.

In those years, Catholics associated overwhelmingly with the Democratic Party, which not only accommodated but promoted policies that advanced ethnic assimilation – everything from minimum wage laws to the GI Bill.

But by finally achieving that assimilation, Catholics in the last 50 years have lost much of their sense of special self-identity. For white Catholics, who are about 60% of the Catholic vote, their distinctiveness in class, education, income, and even ethnicity has grown increasingly ambiguous in America’s famous melting pot.

The melting pot has even transformed Catholics’ relationship to their church. Polling numbers released Friday by CNN about the White House contraception dust-up illustrate this: Only 11% of Catholics polled said they should always obey official church teachings on moral issues like birth control and abortion.

To put this differently, 88% of Catholics in the poll said that it’s OK for Catholics to make up their own minds about these moral issues. That represents a growing trend. In 1992 only 70% supported the “make up their own minds” argument. In 1999 it was 80%.

Today’s Catholics are picky and even suspicious about political signals from the institutional church.

Politically conservative Catholics bristle at do-gooder messaging from their bishops about climate change, immigration reform and Catholicism’s important “preferential option” for the poor. Politically liberal Catholics, meanwhile, are not much swayed by the righteous tone of church pronouncements about same-sex marriage and contraception.

And yet despite the pattern and consequences of assimilation, something Catholic is going on in politics. It’s evident when you drill down into the polling numbers. While there is not an obvious Catholic vote on the macro scale, there are three discrete "Catholic votes” that really matter in American elections.

The first of these is Latino Catholics.  Over the last three decades, Latino immigration has washed over the church in America like a flood.  From insignificant numbers 40 years ago, Latinos now constitute one-third of all American Catholics.

In the not-too-distant future, the majority of American Catholics will probably be Latinos.

Unlike the Italians, Poles, Irish and similar white ethnics, Latino Catholics have retained their distinctive identity as Catholics. Their voting behavior reflects that.

This is particularly true when considered from the perspective of the famous social teachings of the church, which emphasize social and familial solidarity, the common good, preference for the poor, tradition, and welcoming of the immigrant.

Latino American Catholics (excluding Cubans) strongly associated with the Democratic Party in 2008, with 67% of Latino Catholic voters supporting Obama. But the bloc includes swing voters, and turnout can be volatile. This vote can be critical in swing states like Colorado, Florida and New Mexico, and perhaps soon in states like Arizona and Texas.

A little deeper in the weeds are two other important groups of white Catholic voters, who might be called “intentional Catholics” and “cultural Catholics.”

An important social phenomenon for understanding intentional Catholics is what’s sometimes referred to as distillation. A study by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life last year found that one-third of those raised Catholic have left the church. Fully 10% of the American electorate is formerly Catholic.

Because of assimilation, the glue of tradition and culture that previously inclined many to adhere to the church has lost its stickiness. Leaving is easy, whether by decision or atrophy, and little shame results.

Such disaffiliation happens for liberal reasons, conservative reasons, personal reasons and no reason at all. Some who leave still feel lingering allegiance to things Catholic, but many do not, and former Catholics do not have a distinctive political identity.

But as a result of disaffiliation, many Catholics who remain with the church are “distilled.”  More and more of those who remain are those who actively choose to embrace the church and its teachings. These “intentional Catholics” are the second of the three important groups of Catholic voters.

Largely white, with impressive education levels, mostly suburban and with moderate to high income levels, such Catholics are in evidence in weekly Mass attendance and parish activities. Politically active, intentional Catholic voters lean toward the Republican Party (with some youthful swing voters) and are motivated by economic issues and increasingly by opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage and illegal immigration.

“Cultural Catholics” make up the third important group of Catholic voters. They are a complicated mix of mostly white Americans with lower levels of Mass attendance and higher levels of ambivalence toward Church authority.

These assimilated voters have varying education and income levels, often hail from urban and suburban communities, are more female than male - often with blue-collar roots - and are not intentionally but culturally oriented toward the church.

Because of the relative size of the Catholic population in battleground states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin, swing voters in this group can be pivotal in presidential elections.

Many culturally Catholic voters are at odds with both conservatives and liberals on many issues. They are more socially conservative than the majority of Americans, but many are put off by the more intense social conservatism of intentional Catholics and evangelicals.

They are more economically populist than most Americans but are uncomfortable with the libertarian zeal of the tea party.  They are alienated from the lifestyle liberalism of many progressives but remain supportive of unions and governmental programs for the middle class.

The bishops may have little role in these voters’ personal faith, but cultural Catholics look to the church for the sacraments that mark the turnings of their lives and for the traditions that connect generations. Their religious sensibility might almost be described as ethnic.

Neither Obama nor any of the Republican candidates has clinched the deal for the voters in this group. Whoever does will probably win in November.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen S. Schneck.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Politics

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  1. Marcus

    What is a larger myth is that Islam is a peaceful religion.

    February 20, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • momoya

      Religions are not inherently evil; they are just easily hijacked by evil persons. Once a person believes in an almighty judging power, and that you know what that power expects of him, it's easy to convince him to do evil that he would not otherwise do.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
  2. ashrakay

    In 2004, the John Jay report tabulated a total of 4,392 priests and deacons in the U.S. against whom allegations of se x ual abuse had been made.

    In a statement read out by Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi in September 2009, the Holy See stated "We know now that in the last 50 years somewhere between 1.5% and 5% of the Catholic clergy has been involved in se x ual abuse cases", adding that this figure was comparable with that of other groups and denominations.

    Maybe CNN will write about how NAMBLA will affect the vote as well.

    February 20, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • pervert bishops

      False.. That was another con job by the bishops. The John Jay report was NOT an independent study. It was paid for by the US bishops in a ploy to fool others, since JJ is a law school it would trick others into thinking this was legal (JJ now states the report as grossly inaccurate) The data for this 'study' was to be gotten from the bishops.. Rather odd they'd pay some one to pull what is ultimately their own data only, just part of their game.

      The bishop who abused me, pedophilia, was one who they asked for info. Other bishops who abused, also responded. In speaking with victims, they were not even considered as victims (not counted) making the percentages appear far smaller than they ac actually are..

      As victims (the true source) we counted the number of child abusing priests and bishops and found the following; 1. almost every single diocese in the US has had volumes of abuses. 2. Many had 15 to 20% who abused.

      Now the worst crime of all.. The Cover Ups.. Small children denied help because the pope and bishops cared for their reputation over the lives of small children abused. Small children repeatedly threatened and denied help, left to live in the paon alone.

      As long as politicians protect this organization, the truth will never be exposed and victims will continue to suffer.The real truth is that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg, much deeper and filthier.

      Many victims committed suicide and others mentally ill due to the abuses.. the cover ups demanded threats.

      We need our fellow citizens to help in exposing this filthy catholic church. The truth is the greatest healer and the catholic church wants to deny the truth.

      February 21, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • ashrakay

      Thank you for the added information. I hope you know that I too believe that the problem is far worse than reported, but even the small amount reported is disgusting and worse still when you consider that there have been no criminal charges filed. I guess it takes something like religion to make ra-pe legal.

      February 21, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  3. TurnBlue

    CNN having intelligence – THAT'S a myth.

    February 20, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
  4. momoya

    @ T

    Atheists and agnostics do not claim to "have [it] all figured out." Indeed, we think that it's silly for a person to claim to have it all figured out via some myth and its associated beliefs and rituals. Atheists and agnostics want to keep asking questions in order to figure out more and more such as why we feel a certain way looking at a newborn or why atoms work the way the do or how the universe does its thing. We don't "wonder" if "we might be missing something:" we KNOW that we ARE missing quite a lot.

    According to our own reckoning, we think we are the smartest animals on this planet, but we admit that life seems prolific and so on other worlds there may be much smarter animals than we can even imagine. We keep searching with science and building upon proven facts; we don't hold ideas religiously, but overturn them when we find a more efficient and sensible answer. Atheists admit that nobody knows 'the purpose of life" and so we keep looking at what we can see while we refuse to make statements about those things that cannot be seen and proven. Atheists admit that nobody knows what happens after death, but it seems like we simply cease to exist when our brain is no longer able to process information. Atheists admit that there are a whole lot of things bigger than us; we simply don't file all our "unknowns" under the heading "god," and pretend to know stuff that we don't know and judge other people by ancient myths that have no relevance to the current body of knowledge we have attained.
    .

    February 20, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • kipper601

      Maybe your atheist position is the true MYTH....

      February 20, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • momoya

      No god seems willing to dispel it.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
  5. Descarado

    The THREE-FOUR-THREE Coalition of Catholics Jews and Protestants.

    This November we will call THREE friends with FOUR reminders.

    1. Remind them to vote.
    2. Remind them to vote their religious convictions.
    3. Ask them if they need a ride to the polls.
    4. Ask them to call THREE friends with these reminders.

    The indelible signature of every oppressive dictatorship throughout human history is the unconditional demand upon the private citizen to disavow its own burning conscience in favor of the state.

    CJP 3 4 3

    February 20, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • pervert bishops

      help everyone get to the polls,, that's the good and kind thing to do.

      February 21, 2012 at 9:11 am |
  6. Rosemary

    Interesting article, but as a practicing and life long Catholic I don't fit into any of the categories. I have a master's degree, have never voted for anyone named Bush, have practiced birth control and support Obama.
    That's the problem with trying to categorize voters – at least those of us who think for ourselves.

    February 20, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • edwardo

      So glad you said that. I tend to think all Catholics are Republicans, and forget some people really do use their noggins.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • chas

      If you practice birth control....how could you possibly be a practicing Catholic??

      February 20, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
  7. helinahandbasket

    My good evangelical Christians let us find these Catholics and kill them like we killed the Witches!!!!!!

    ROOOOOOOOOAR I AM ATHEIST HEAR ME MY VIEWS ARE SOOOO EDGY.

    ^ Sums up everything posted on this website today.

    February 20, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you've been here ALL DAY and read EVERY POST?

      Hmm. If that's your ideal way to spend a day as a Christian, I wonder if Jesus would agree with you.

      Somehow I doubt it.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
  8. Dave

    II'm Catholic but I vote with my brain and not my heart. The Catholic doctrine was created by humans and presupposes what God wants. I don't believe God judges you by how you vote. Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and give unto God the things that are God's.

    February 20, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
  9. georgex

    The problem is not a yes or no, but is how many Catholics will vote the way their church dictates. When they say artificial birth control devices are evil and 98% of Catholics have actually used them there will still be some who are swayed by the bishops. Here they are influencing the politics of the country in trying to force into laws their minority point of view. They actually said voting for someone who supports freedom for women to choose abortions lead many to not vote for John Kerry for president. Organizations that are political do not get to keep donations as tax deductibles..

    February 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
  10. Thannak

    Agnostic here: remember that thing about the twin billboards in New York? How the atheists put up one that declared religion as myths while the Catholics put one up in response to it about atheists?

    Remember how both blew millions of dollars in a billboard advertising fight, millions that SHOULD (not could, should) have gone to charities? Remember how both sides were just fighting a petty little game of chicken over who ran out of funds first? Remember how by the end, the two sides acted EXACTLY the same?

    Moral: FAITH is stupid. The second you declare "I'm right, no exceptions no matter what you say or do or I see or hear" you've failed at learning anything more from life. Atheism is just as much a faith (since you're declaring "I believe that there's nothing out there!" as opposed to the agnostic who declares "I don't believe anyone! I have no beliefs, you're both possibly correct! Now shut up and leave me alone!"), and for some reason it's increasingly gaining rules and followers of atheist organizations (read: churches).

    Oh yeah, about the Catholic vote: it's as divided by region as the "Latino" vote is.

    February 20, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • edwardo

      Pretty much agree. My atheism is not a faith or a religion, no more than anarchy is a type of government. I simply dismiss the notion of a god, as much as I dismiss the notion of invisible unicorns, witches and tooth fairies.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • Aezel

      "Atheism is just as much a faith"

      No. Try again stupid.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:53 pm |
  11. Montario

    Those damned Catholics......occupying the Muslims land and genitally mutilating their children...oh wait.. that's the JEWS!!

    February 20, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • helinahandbasket

      bigot go back to the south

      February 20, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • Montario

      I'm surprised you apes know how to use computers.....black trash.

      February 21, 2012 at 8:24 am |
  12. T

    I'm Catholic – And I'm trying to understand why so many atheist (or just plain haters) have such a big problem with the Catholic church

    February 20, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • T

      For other arguments such as saying that religion, believers are delusional, or believe in fantasy – So for you that have all figured out – Here are a few questions:
      When you look at a new born baby in the arms of his/her mother... and all the living things...and the cycle of life …When you look at all the things we discover every day, being infinitely small like atoms, quartz, or all the wonders of the universe ... … and yet, humans are the only ones that have a conscience to understand (some of) that… do you ever wonder if you might be missing something?? Do you really have everything figured out? What is the purpose of your life? Does it end once you die?
      Our understanding of the Creator might differ, but one cannot deny that there is something that is infinitely bigger than us.

      February 20, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Thannak

      Oh, it's not you in particular: it's just that there's an article about you at the moment.
      Haters gonna hate, trollers gonna troll.

      February 20, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Dan

      Well, blinded zeal and bigotry is a common human characteristics. You don't have to believe in a deity to regard other's people belief as foolish or to massacre another group of people. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot are vivid examples for murderous atheists, as the crusaders and jihadists are for Christianity and Islam.

      February 20, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • edwardo

      @Dan – Because those people were atheists was not why they were horrible people. They didn't kill in the name of Atheism, as Christians kill in the name of Christianity. They killed for power and wealth (and other reasons), not because of their lack of religion.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  13. ben

    is the vote a measure of actual catholics who actively go to church or the posers who run around declaring the faith yet havent seen confession since 12 years old?

    even then, since the catholic church is the biggest fraud of all time was this article worth the effort?

    February 20, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Casey

      Another hater who spouts out bigoted opinion... nobody cares what you think. If you have something constructive to say, or want to discuss/debate in a rational human way.... OK... lets talk.. but until then, you are irrelevent.

      February 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
  14. Tom

    comment deleted again?

    February 20, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Helpful Hints

      Tom, maybe you have run afoul of the automatic word filter here.

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters to modify the "offending" letter combinations.
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      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-ntthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      hu-mp… as in th-ump, th-umper, th-umping
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      que-er
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
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      sp-ic.....as in desp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
      sp-oon
      sp-ook… as in sp-ooky, sp-ooked
      strip-per
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!

      February 20, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • ashrakay

      ridiculously, words like consti.tution will also be blocked as it has t.it in it. Sad, but true.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  15. William

    Want to know the extent of Catholic crimes, even tracing back to the 1100s? visit: http://www.incogman.net

    February 20, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
  16. Casey

    What a bunch of hateful bigots you athiests are. You don't believe in anything... you have this massive ego that makes you think you have all the answers, and those who practice the faith, especially Catholics, are just so targets for your mindless drivel. Jesus says we are supposed to love our enemies... and I can tell you this is really really tough.

    February 20, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • I wonder

      Who has a big ego? Wouldn't that describe someone who thinks that a super-duper, all-powerful, all-knowing, incredibly fantastic being loves YOU, is totally interested in YOU, and desperately wants to spend eternal bliss with YOU?!

      February 20, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • ashrakay

      Yeah, I'm an ignorance bigot. That includes religion. You say it like it's a bad thing. We should all be intolerant of ignorance if it is held up as truth.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      This is hilarious. As an agnostic, I don't claim that I have any answers at all. As I see it, it's the self-aggrandizing Christians who claim to know the absolute truth about every issue and seem to believe they have the answer to every puzzle and problem.

      I wonder why yutzes like you think anyone else is arrogant?

      February 20, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • Casey

      The thing you guys don't get... and probably never will... is that faith is a journey. That God reveals truths to us in time, when we are ready for them, and it often requires study, thought, and prayer. This is because the word of God is a living thing. He speaks to us all the time, we just need to learn to listen.

      People of faith are always asking questions, and trying to understand the nature of the Lord, and the universe He created.... so... do we think we have all the answers? No... I come to this Blog to have discussions relating to faith and God... I don't come here to be the target of hate filled vitriol that spews forth from the bigots and athiests. If you have something to add to the discussion that is positive, or thought provoking and has the semblence of humanity, if you want to discuss/debate the topic in a rational way, if you want to compare the various religions and find their similarities or differences... That would be GREAT!

      On the other hand, if you just come here to tell everyone they are stupid, or ignorant for their belief in God, or you just want to belittle, or call others names, or tear down that which is sacred, use hateful speech, or serve some self centered need to hurl hate and bigotry at others, then I would rather not hear anything from you. Your opinions don't matter... you are irrelevent...

      February 20, 2012 at 11:46 pm |
    • I wonder

      Casey,

      "massive ego", "mindless drivel" "hateful bigots" - if that's not nasty name-calling, I don't know what is.

      Listen, if you can't play with the big kids here, you are welcome to go to one of the many Christian-only web sites where they delete the posts of people who don't agree with them and ban them from further posting.

      You are here to rumble, and you know it.

      February 21, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • ashrakay

      @Casey, Faith is not a journey. It's a surrender to intellectual laziness. You may continue to ask questions, but you always come back to the same answer. Why did my mom die of cancer? God wanted it that way. Why are we here? God wants it that way. Why is the sky blue? Because god made it that way. Ignorance is not always the same as stupidity. Ignorance is not knowing—nothing wrong with that. Willful ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence... that's insanity. We just call it stupidity to be nice.

      February 21, 2012 at 1:32 am |
  17. Mary

    What about black Catholics? Didn't see any mention of them in this article.

    February 20, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • helinahandbasket

      you can thank racist America for that

      February 20, 2012 at 9:59 pm |
    • bannister

      SInce 98% of all blacks voted for Obama, the "black Catholic vote" is statistically insignificant.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
  18. The Martyred

    History is full of the Catholic church murdering innocent people.

    February 20, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
    • Mark

      Your bigotry has blinded you to the reality of the holocaust that is going on silently in this country. Since Roe v Wade, Planned Parenthood has killed 60 times the number of people that Hitler did, are very children. The church has been the once voice crying out against this evil, and you not only close your eyes but also give vent to your infantile ignorance. The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a Nazi devotee. She was a believer in eugenics. the belief that it s possible to develop a superior race, just like Hilter believed. She is quoted as wanting to eliminate the black race from America, and her brain child, Planned Parenthood, kills far more black babies than of any other race. When are we going to wake up to the real horror of what we have allowed in our midst.

      February 20, 2012 at 9:26 pm |
    • Montario

      Not as much as the joos tho. Those monsters got the blood of 100+ million white Christians on their hands from eastern and central Europe during the 20th century. Check out the FACTS: http://www.zioncrimefactory.com

      February 20, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • helinahandbasket

      Christians killed 11 million Indians and atheists killed 10 million jews... your point?

      February 20, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • Got2BKidding

      Mark: I'm sick of hearing this anti-abortion rhetoric from the biggest sponsors of baby killing on the planet. The Catholic and Muslim religions are the largest organized supporters of abortion on earth. The only way to stop abortion is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Planned and wanted pregnancies by responsible, prepared, parents, don't get aborted. A combination of education and readily available contraception is the only way to eliminate unwanted pregnancies and abortion. And don't be yammering about abstinence, it hasn't worked for 4000 years and it won't work now. There isn't even anything actually in the Catholic and Islamic religions about contraception. It's prohibition is a policy decision made by the MEN of the "church" who have been discriminating against women for 2 thousand years. The purpose of the prohibition is conscription by procreation. To win the war of the collection plate, by out breeding the competing religions. Roe v Wade didn't invent abortion, it just enabled women to survive it. Unwanted pregnancies have been aborted since the beginning of man. Believe what ever you want, what ever gets you through the night, but don't kid yourself, if you oppose contraception, you support abortion. Lie to yourself if you must, but the people out here in the real world, that are actually trying to put and end to abortion aren't buying it for a second. You're trading babies lives for bucks in the collection plate.

      February 20, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • ashrakay

      @helinahandbasket, Read your history. You'll see that the catholic church was complicit with the nazis during that time. I will also leave you with this gem from Adolf Hitler:
      "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." (Speech delivered at Munich 12 April 1922)

      February 20, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
  19. Pervert Bishops

    I'm actually an Evangelical Chri-stain and ani-pedo, which means, I enjoy licking my dog's pen¡s.

    February 20, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • pervert bishops

      I see, steal my handle.. You proved your level of dishonesty.. Must be disgusting to be you.

      February 20, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
  20. Pervert Bishops

    Yes I molest myself. I enjoy stick my head up my man-gina, what's it to you? My mom use to do John, while I was in the room... I'm feeling a little fragile, okay. Do you have a problem with that?

    February 20, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Mark Russell

      Are you my buddy Erik Von Krapp?

      February 20, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • pervert bishops

      For the rest here.. above is a catholic who is mocking my abuse by copying my handle. One of those who abused me abused another who committed suicide.

      Note: pedophiles never grow up. (now rate that catholic)

      February 20, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • helinahandbasket

      we all know i molested you

      February 20, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
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