February 22nd, 2012
05:11 PM ET
After Anne Frank baptism, Mormons vow to discipline members
By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
(CNN) - Reacting to a report that well-known Holocaust victim Anne Frank had been baptized by proxy in a Mormon temple, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says it is committed to disciplining members of its church who conducted such baptisms, which violate church policy.
Word of the Frank baptism came a week after the issue of Mormon posthumous proxy baptism of Jews attracted national attention. This controversy surfaced after it was reported that the dead parents of Jewish Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal had been baptized in a Mormon temple.
The church apologized for that baptism, blaming it on a technical glitch in its system for submitting names for posthumous proxy baptism.
“It takes a good deal of deception and manipulation to get an improper submission through the safeguards we have put in place,” LDS Church spokesman Michael Purdy said in a statement Tuesday, responding to the report about the Anne Frank baptism.
Explainer: How and why do Mormons baptize the dead?
Though the church regularly conducts proxy baptisms for dead, in what it calls an attempt to give everyone a chance to accept salvation through Jesus, it has a 1990s-era policy against conducting such baptisms for Holocaust victims.
The policy was adopted after complaints from Jewish groups, which said it was offensive to conduct Mormon baptisms for Holocaust victims who were killed because of their Jewish faith.
“The Church keeps its word and is absolutely firm in its commitment to not accept the names of Holocaust victims for proxy baptism,” said Purdy in his Tuesday statement.
The church said it is “committed to taking action against individual abusers by suspending the submitter’s access privileges,” the statement continued. “We will also consider whether other Church disciplinary action should be taken.”
According to Helen Radkey, a former Mormon who tracks Mormon posthumous proxy baptisms, the one for Anne Frank was conducted on Saturday in the Dominican Republic.
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Hey Mormons – wanna baptize my dogs ?
AWWWRRR!!! Nevah! We prefer to be an atheist forever.
Mormons are NOT a religion, they are a CULT – one that worships Lucifer. They have been "stealing" souls for decades. It is super gross and horrifying. Thanks be to God that they have no actual divine authority. Ever wonder while they have the largest genealogical database on the planet? Ever wonder why they think it's okay to baptize a dead person who never indicated a desire to have this done? Truly other-worldly!
Thank God, you doesn't make sense.
Mormon's are far more Christian than you my friend. Try reading your Bible you hold so dear! 1 Corinthians 15:29 – Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Fools mock, but they shall morn. Open your eyes while there's still time!
Jason. Read ALL of Chapter 15. Baptizing FOR the dead does not mean TO baptize the dead. English must be your second language. The chapter is Paul telling the Corinthians to keep the Faith, as the Resurrection of the Messiah did indeed happen. That all men are dead due to Adam, but born again throught the Resurrection of Christ. At the last Trump, the dead will rise and their bodies will be incorruptable. Perhaps you should practice your reading comprehension.
Also, if Mormons are such super-Christians, why are they considered a CULT by ALL other sects of Christianity? Oh, that's right, Joseph Smith was the only human to find the Truth. NOT!
I'm sorry but I have to tell you that you've just extremely overrate you reading comprhension that you made your own interpretation and opinion as a standard to be followed and license to malign others.
In verse 29, it says and I quote" ELSE WHAT SHALL THEY DO WHICH ARE BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD, IF THE DEAD RISE NOT AT ALL? WHY ARE THEY THEN BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD?"
It's very clear, that Paul spoke about "Baptism for the Dead".
The only questions to have in mind will be:
1.) Who are practicing the posthumus baptism that time, and
2.) Why it has not been practiced by almost all Christians today?
Let's lil bit deeper about the entire passage. In chapter 14 it says and I quote,
"14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching in vain, and your faith is also in vain."
Now let's check it:
In verse 14 Paul used the (pronoun) "OUR" and "YOUR", while in verse 29 he used "THEY" to address who he was referring to.
I think that there's no need to argue that Paul was talking to with other disciples and/or with other Christians when he speaks those words, right?
Hence, the sub-question will be, who was OUR and "YOUR" and who was "THEY"?
Lets go back to the passages again, paul had mentioned in verse 14, "is our preaching". That most probably him and and other disciples right?
"your faith is also in vain." That could either be the other disciples or the other faithfuls, or both. While in verse 29 he mentioned:
"What shal THEY do..." and "Why are THEY..."
Since Paul was speaking to other disciple and other faithfuls, therefore, he was referring to other people/belief when he said "THEY".
And there's no other dominant religion in Jerusalem that time than the "JEWISH". Hence, we could safely presume that he was referring to the Jew when he used "THEY". Then, most definitely "Baptism for the dead was an ancient Jewish practice. And it might be the reason why that almost all Christians don't practice it JUST because it was a Jewish practice that's why they set aside its importance and significance.
However, it is in the Bible, thus, should also be practiced.
And lastly, for your question on why other sects of Christianity considered Mormons as cults.
You don't want to ask Jesus and his disciples what the dominant religion during their time has been calling them, do you?
And one more thing, MORE PRACTICE and you are there.
Memo to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints:
You might be able to go through the actions, but you simply cannot baptize someone in your faith by proxy, especially one who is dead, and has not consented to be baptized. As Wendy put it, it is desecration of the soul at the very least. It is tantamount to forcing your belief system on someone. Then again, there's not much you folks do that surprises me.
this is all irrelevant when you realize that baptism is nothing but a traditional ceremony...it means nothing beyond that; it's not magic, it's not divine, it's tap water.
"Then again, there's not much you folks do that surprises me."
You must not know about the magic underwear then... 😉
How much more when you realize that evilution is just a product of Darwin's LBM.
at least half of her diary is faked and written in ballpoint pen which wasn't available until late 60s! stop promoting this worthless jew trash, no one cares
wow..a racist and a punk...guess all you con's are like that.
Others, including the scholars who study this, disagree. It is genuine no matter what web page you found says it is fake.
Did you research the "factoid" about ball point pens?? I think not. Loser.
More like diarrhea of the brain. Is it true that ignorance is bliss?
Considering it was first published 15 years before you claim it was written, that was a poor attempt, you fool.
Do not feed the skinhead troll.
i no proclaim you a member of the souix tribe. your indian name is apos. apos is worthless to all but the refiner who will be glad to reduce you to a bag of fertilizer.
And they say Mormonism is not a cult? Please! I just ROFLMAO with these stories. First it's baptizing dead jews, then apologizing for the baptisms, then baptizing more dead jews, then a sterner apology. I still believe in Lilly Tomlin's gag: When you talk to God, it's called prayer. When God talks back, it's called schizophrenia! Guess Mormons never learn. That's why I'm not voting for Romney, he has no clue.
so funny!. Love yer post!
The Christian Bible talks about posthumous baptism. [1Cor 15:29].
"That's why I'm not voting for Romney, he has no clue."
So, this is not politically motivated all along?
If you're a Christian you follow the Bible right? 1 Corinthians 15:29 – Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Memo to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints:
You might be able to go through the actions, but you simply cannot baptize someone in your faith by proxy, especially one who is dead, and has not consented to be baptized. Then again, there's not much you folks do that surprises me.
"especially one who is dead, and has not consented to be baptized"
Should they will, You know WHO'S YOU GONNA CALL!
Baptism is immersion by water. Prior to that is confession of sins, then baptism. Well, the dead cannot do so as Eccl. 9:5 say that the dead are conscious of nothing at all. So, they cannot confess their sins (Romans 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord). So, the church is not following bible teachings, they are following their own doctrins which is taught by men and not God.
Take a look at 1 Corithians chapter 15...
Anne Frank was a b!tch dirty jew
Wow! Speak of the dead much? What an ignorant comment.
lol has a thing called envy,,, poor widdle conservative christian using it's "God's" words, hey?, you miserable excuse for a human?
How does one have such hatred where their heart should be? Your parents must be very proud to have raised such a monster.
Because many of us are feeding them.
Please don't feed the troll.
The problem here is that some Mormons do not understand their own religion. As a life-long Mormon, I have been taught that temple work is a family thing. In other words, I do temple baptisms for my own ancestors. Mormon theology also teaches that the restored gospel will go to the entire world at different times. The Jewish people will get the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ last, when He Himself comes the second time, and He will teach His own people Himself. Then the Jewish people who accept Jesus will have the opportunity to do the work in the temple for their own ancestors. Therefore, the Holocaust victims will get to have their work done by their own family members. Maybe it is time for the prophet (Thomas S. Monson) to explain this very clearly to members of the church.
I don't believe in eany of it, so I'm not hugely invested either way, but have you ever considered that your ancestors wouldn't want to be baptized into the Mormon faith? Maybe they had their own faith, or maybe the were people who had NO faith, adn wanted it that way. In either case, isn't performing an act that they didn't ask for and possibly wouldn't agree to insulting to their memory?
I can tell you this much, if any of my fufure relatives becomes a Mormon, and baptizes my atheist corpse, I will start believing in the afterlife, will myself back into existence, and spend the rest of their natural lives haunting them.
@lee...wow, you freaks ARE nuts...
@BRC..I'm with you..our own church of we are gonna haunt you freakazoids till the cows come home.
Read 1 Corinthians 15:29 – Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
You either accept the Bible or you don't. Sounds like the Mormons do!
Problem with this is that I live my life today as a proud and practicing Jew who is fully aware of other's belief in Jesus Christ or Mohammed or Bhudda. I understand and respect those beliefs yet knowingly choose to remain Jewish. No descendent of mine has a right to change what is in my heart. I see this practice as parallel to the forced conversions, murders and inquisitions perpetrated on the Jewish people throughout history by those who shared your conviction that Jesus is the one true belief, or by those who believe just as strongly that Jesus was superceded by Mohammed. This is not "saving" a soul – it is attempting to STEAL a soul in death that could not be taken in life.
Now that is my kind of religion. Just force it on folks after they are dead and can't object in person. However - according to the dead person, maybe they are peacefully floating around in heaven, sipping nectar, or hanging out with 72 virgins, whatever, when suddenly, due to the baptism, they are immediately yanked down to hell. Maybe that is what is actually happening, if the dead person's original religion is correct. Did you ever think of that?
Jews were responsible for Christ' death.
Yes, Jesus was Jewish! So if someone was born in America does that mean an American cannot kill him?
Those who deny this should go to h.ell !!!!!!!!
According to the story, Jesus, knowing death was on the line, refused to defend himself before the Pontius Pilate. As such, he essentially committed suicide. And again, according to your black book, we all know what happens to those guys, now don't we. Perhaps that's why you bow your heads when you pray: You're looking in the right direction.
Good, he had it coming.
Never meth with the methiah when death ith on the line!
This practice is beyond insulting and arrogant, no matter what the religion of the proxied individual. Of course, it's also laughable that Mormons would believe that they could, for example, somehow turn my profoundly Catholic ancestors into Mormons in the afterlife so that they could be given the opportunity to be saved in Christ. Doubly ironic because Mormons are followers of Joseph Smith, not Christ.
Try reading your Bible: 1 Corinthians 15:29 – Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Complete whack jobs determined to give Scientologists a run for the money on the road to the loony bin.
The Mormons main objective is to populate the earth. That's why they convert the weak, the misguided, the dead, and of course having many many and many more babies as possible per couple.
Hit on the nail.
No, it was your thumb. You just don't notice it.
Hitler was an awesome leader and amazing. I love you Hitler!!!
...and that is why you will meet the same end.
Obvious troll is obvious.
Oh I'm sure she feels much better now. Made it all worth it. What is this, you can't covert the living so you go back and do it while they are dead? I thought the point of baptism was choosing to do it and actively accepting a savior. My bad.
You would think that choosing to accept the religion would be the point of a baptism, but many Christian sects baptize infants, who also can't choose to be an active participant. That practice doesn't make much sense to me either.
Why would Jews be upset by this? If an Apache tribe out in the desert danced around a campfire to ensure her soul reaches the great spirit would they be as upset? Superst-tious people are so strange. This is 2012, right?
Thank God for the death of 6 million Jews!!
Unbelievable comment! If you were born a Jew that would have been you.
The Bear-Jew is coming for you now.
For the complete annihilation of CJ's bloodline, CHEERS!!!!!
What is considered disciplinary action in the mormon church? Take away your magic undies?
Those are just "special effect" words. The Mormon church is good and the best at PR and appearances.
As it happened with poligamy (it was stopped as a condition to join the union) and priesthood to the blacks (civil right movements), these wacko practices will eventually stop by a convenient "revelation".
Your best friend kept your wife's panty as souvenir after they crap on your head while you were sleeping soundly on your own bed.
This is akin to desecrating a dead physical body. ...Applying your belief to what you believe is the soul of another person – without their consent – is akin to desecration of their soul ... Think about it.
1 Corinthians 15
v.12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
v.13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen.
v.14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching in vain, and your faith is also in vain.
v. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
v. 22 FOR AS IN ADAM ALL DIE, EVEN SO IN CHRIST SHALL ALL BE MADE ALIVE.
v. 29 ELSE WHAT SHALL THEY DO WHICH ARE BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD, IF THE DEAD RISE NOT AT ALL? WHY ARE THEY THEN BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD?
Baptism for the dead is not some new Mormon concept. It was known and practiced in New Testament times following the resurrection of Christ and was part of the Christ's command to the disciples to 'Go ye therefore, and teach ALL nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost' (Matt. 28:20), which applied to ALL people and ALL nations, including those that have since passed from this life. Christ's doctrine is not limited to just this life or just those that believe in Him. He offers salvation to everyone. Everyone will have their opportunity to accept or reject. Other Christian religions don't believe this because they don't understand the doctrine.
how can so many people be so brainwashed with religion... the bible says this... the bible says that and you actually believe what people preach to you... Nobody knows what happens to us when we all die... death could be just that... all body functions cease to stop like a time watch... that's it... there is no afterlife.... and what would the afterlife do???? get a grip people and just be the best human beings you can be while on this earth... that is what really matters... Churches do two things: they MAKE LOTS OF MONEY and they brainwash and empower your already weak minds.. People want to be able to have faith because they are weak to begin with.
You believe what you believe. I believe what I believe. If you can force your opinion on everyone by saying that nobody knows what happens to us when we die (how do you know what other people do or do not know), then how is that any different from those that believe there is life after death preaching it to the world? The fact is, YOU do not know what happens to us after we die. You can't prove me wrong any more than I can prove you wrong. However, there are many people that do not believe and you, and the point of my post was that it isn't Mormons making this all up.
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