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February 22nd, 2012
10:47 PM ET
For the rushed on Ash Wednesday, ashes on the goBy Gabe LaMonica, CNN (CNN) - Got ashes? If not on this Ash Wednesday, groups of Methodists and Episcopalians took to the streets in cities across the country to make sure you got them, representing a growing ashes-on-the-run movement. In Washington, Julie Bringman of the Foundry United Methodist Church led a group of four Methodists outside the Dupont Circle Metro station with manila folders emblazoned with the question “Got Ashes?” in black ink. “It’s kind of a little ashes flash mob,” she said. Emily Mellott, the pastor of Cavalry Episcopal Church in Lonbard, Illinois, runs a website callled ashestogo.org, which provides resources for “folks starting to take ashes to the streets.” Mellot has heard from 85 churches in 22 states “I know there are more out there that have heard of the idea and developed their own resources and there are others who have taken it and run with it,” she said in an interview. “We started doing ashes to go at the train station 3 yrs ago,” Mellot said. “It’s becoming a movement that’s growing throughout the country.” On Ash Wednesday 2007, the Rev. Teresa KM Danieley of St. John’s Episcopal Church in St. Louis, Missouri, started distributing ashes outside a coffeehouse, an event that some credit with starting the movement. On Wednesday, the Rev. Patricia Anderson Cook of Mt. Healthy United Methodist Church in Cincinnati, Ohio, offered drive-thru ashes in her church’s parking lot, reported Cincinnati affiliate WLWT. Cook said that “there was some pushback because people said, ‘Oh, you need to come to a sanctuary and do this.’” “I’m not sure that’s really what Jesus would have said,” Cook said. Bringman said that the ashes-on-the-go movement was born of practical need. “A lot of people forget that it’s Ash Wednesday or don’t know where to go or don’t have time to show up,” she said, standing amid the morning rush in Washington. “We thought that we would bring Ash Wednesday to the streets and make it open to anyone,” said Bringman. Janice Robinson-Harper, who stopped to get ashes from Bringman’s group, said, “I’m planning to go to church on my lunch break, but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to go, so just in case I don’t, that was my opportunity.” Ash Wednesday marks the first day of Lent, a season of reflection in the run-up to Easter. “You come from dust and you will return to dust, beloved child of God," said Sam Hedlund, using his thumb to make the sign of the cross in ash on Robinson-Harpers’ forehead. “It’s basically just a reminder of who we are and where we come from as Christians,” said Serge Thomas, who also got ash from Hedlund. “I think about a dozen people received the ashes, but I think the effect of the people who walked by and saw it or thought about it or who already had ashes from this morning and then saw companionship in us here, I think that the ripple effect was much larger than the dozen people who received the ashes,” said Bringman. Mary Ann Walsh, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Catholic Conference of Bishops said there was not a Catholic ashes-on-the-go program: “We feel that ashes should be part of a liturgical service whether it is mass or a service of the word.” But asked if it was wrong to receive ashes at a metro station, she said, “Personally, no I don’t think so.” “My brother was a lazy college kid who took the ashes from my forehead and put them on his,” she said. “Obviously the ashes are a public sign of repentance,” Walsh said, “and if you promise yourself that you’re going to clean up your life some how, you’re close to the spirit of it but we really do believe that it belongs in a sacred environment surrounded by prayer.”
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higher % of people incarcerated in the US.. US is 74% christian. Interesting, and they are the moral standard?
these cathoholics are freaks. Rituals that brainwash small children, how unfair to them. Then again, the catholic church is not new to child abuse.
What else they do.. Drink wine pretending it's human blood, eat wafers and pretend it's human flesh, and they kiss the bones of dead people. This stuff is NOT for children.
And im asking myself why kings were treated with oil when being chosen by God and not ashes, although they too where made from earth like the rest. Once again an interpretation error. People !!! go to a normal christian orthodox church and see the real meaning of the testaments ! God Bless !
fuc.kget ash wednesday...... want meat, eat it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaRoT0mr5oI&feature=player_detailpage
Lane Craig tries to rationalize genocide.
Prayer changes things.
Perception of prayer works in ALL religions.
"...then did Tilius say to the people of the low plains: seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors, lest it find purchase in your own house."
"Hallowed are the children of the Ori."
2006 Harvard Prayer Study – faith and prayer are delusions
Bible stuff is always relevant, right?
"And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his MARK on his forehead, or in his hand." –Revelation 14:9
Just a bunch of idiots rubbing the equivalent of dog s-hit on their forehead.
Less atheist crime in America is like less atheist voters. It is a function of population. I wonder why these Voodoo statistics keep cropping up. I also read the more atheists in schools thing and it can be knocked over quick. Non-religious are not atheists. Some are but they r minority of minority
Rate, not number.
RL please read the report. It is by a Science Journal.
rate is a function of number n I rationally did the numbers. If you r serious u wud too.
This sounds like a fun hobby.
I'm going to head down to the subway station and cleanse the unclean like Hebrews 9:13 says to.
Anyone know where I can a phial of goat blood mixed with heifer ashes?
This has been so ludicrous. There were no ash days in Acts. Nobody needed ashes on their forehead. It is not even a RCC sacrament (it's just an RCC stage show). It has not connection at all to faith. The RCC does not use the phrase "ashes to ashes, dust to dust" and that phrase is not in the Bible (it is ion the Book of Common Prayer). The entire "story" about ashes and drive through ashes ... it is a dumb joke. People with advanced degrees and they cannot think this through? Herds of cows who need bells around their necks so they can follow the leader. Really dumb. Here - from the Book of Common Prayer "UNTO Almighty God we commend the soul of our brother departed, and we commit his body to the ground; earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust; in sure and certain hope of the Resurrection unto eternal life, through our Lord Jesus Christ; at whose coming, the earth and the sea shall give up their dead"
The phrase is taken from Genesis 3:19.
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." does not contain the word "ash" in any form. There is no directive to put ash on anyone's fore head. There is no "sin" if one does not get (ordained clergy) to put *ash* on their lay forehead. There is no directive to go to a church (or a drive in) and put ash on any part of head or body. There is no donation required and no ordination. So it is quite an invention to convert that phrase into "Ash Wednesday" and OBLIGE followers to obtain the services of an ordained clergy OR to donate to the ordained clergy (for the service). You also need to stretch the red-letters to convert this "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." into SACRAMENTS, holy water, candles, special blessings, stations, rosaries, holy days of obligation. "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." .. does that mention sacraments or popes? ....And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. [48] And ye are witnesses of these things. ....And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans. {so where does it say "Ash Wednesday?" Holy water? Saints medals? Rosary? Indulgences? Absolve? Eucharist? (it does not)
Thanks for pointing that out so I can clarify. I was simply referring to the words usually spoken by the celebrant. I would point you to Genesis 18:27 as well. "Putting on ashes" is a traditional way to show sorrow and repentance (see Esther 4:1 and Job 42:6 among many others). You are right to point out that, by themselves, the ashes mean nothing. But for those who believe they are a physical reminder of our need of repentance. Cheers!
fuc.kget ash wednesday...... want meat, eat it! No imaginary sky fairy will tell me otherwise ~ not that the fairy is talking to anyone anyway, or ever has for that matter! And just so you all know, fish and chicken are NOT to be eaten either – why you ask, why the definition of the word meat may be of service here – meat :The flesh of an animal as food. Fish and birds are animals too for any who are too stupid to not know that already!
Oh and just to give some insight here – jesus supposedly spent 40 days in the desert...the fasting is penance and inner cleansing for catholics....which is confusing because if one was to be not clean by eating meat then why eat it in the first place if once eaten one has to fast to be clean from it? Second, (in the form of a condescending question) what do you think the J man ate while in the desert? lots of vegetation there right? My answer (in the form of a condescending answser) I mean, its like a garden of eden in the desert wherever jesus went, sure – totally buy that! Or he ate anything he had at arms reach...now thats more likely, but why be rational when religion is on line...so sorry, never again, i swear to god!
hugs and kisses,
the Hippypoet
Now fuc.k off!
just another pagan tradition so unbelievers will be tricked in feeling some kind of "religous" connecting to the church....
Still, even the most admirable of atheists is nothing more than a moral parasite, living his life based on borrowed ethics. This is why, when pressed, the atheist will often attempt to hide his lack of conviction in his own beliefs behind some poorly formulated utilitarianism, or argue that he acts out of altruistic self-interest. But this is only post-facto rationalization, not reason or rational behavior.
Vox Day
Empathy is a borrowed ethic?
you're insane. atheists worship truth. something you know little about. christians hate facts. here some for you: atheists have a lower rate of divorce and going to prison than christians. and atheists have a higher rate of going to university. we also have more ethics. we don't believe in a book that tells us to hate women and h_o_m_o_s_e_xuals. fear and guilt are the building blocks of christianity. try thinking for yourself. try atheism.
Funny how the "moral parasites" commit less major crime, are less likely to support war and torture, have amongst the lowest divorce rates, and are heavily underrepresented in prison populations.
And of course, you have invented your own understanding of atheist thought without ever having talked to any of them. That's very dishonest argumentation, Mr. Morality! Dishonest and ignorant.
Don't you just hate it when your abstact hate-screed pontification is refuted by all the evidence?
More people have died at the hand of Athiests in the last 100 yrs than have been killed by supposed Christians in the last 500 yrs. And I am defineing Atheist as anyone who does not beleive in God. When you are the center of your universe and life is nothing but time and chance plus matter, life is cheap and easily disposed of.
Oh, and those are all good Christian morals you are showing by not going to prison, staying married,educating yourselves, not supporting war, not showing hate or abusing women. I think thats where the moral parasite thing comes in. Anywho, I have several Atheist who are my friend's and work with Atheists everyday. I have no problem with them and we get along great.
Haha truth, you saying "I have friends who are atheists" reminds me of when bigots say "I have a black friend" to prove they aren't racist.
@ truth,
I'd like to know who these atheists are that you think have killed more in the past 100 years than theists have in the past 500. I know for a fact that Hitler was a catholic and all the genocide that's happening in Africa is all being done by theists.
Well before the Old Testament laws given by God, there were many other codes of ethics such as Cuneiform law (2,350-1,400 BC), Code of Urukagina (2,380-2,360 BC), Code of Ur-Nammu, king of Ur (ca. 2050 BC), Laws of Eshnunna (ca. 1930 BC), Codex of Lipit-Ishtar of Isin (ca. 1870 BC), Code of Hammurabi (ca. 1790 BC), Code of the Nesilim (c. 1650-1500 BC) and Hitt.ite laws (ca. 1650–1100 BCE).
If atheists live on "borrowed ethics", then so do Christians.
Doc-Read up 7 laws of Noah(Noahide Code) which is 2500 B.C +, what is the point.
The very first laws have existed since the origin of mankind and given by God at the Garden of Eden.
The Hitler was a Christian is like posthumous baptism of my ancestors who believed in a Creator God but were not Christians. Do u know for instance that most non-religious believe in a Higher Power 2o. Does that make them Christians? I'm the Best u r the worst lier I met. O well I forgot u r amoral
@ nii
Belief in a god does not make someone Christian but it does make them a theist. Hitler, though, specifically referenced the Abraham god in his speeches and talk much about how Jesus was his savior.
No lying being done here by my part.
@Observer,
There were fully established societies in multiple locations (seperate by some substantial geography), before 2,500 BCE. It follows that these societies would all have their own laws and codes. What's more, the laws of Noah you're describing, weren't recorded anywhere until MUCH later when someone wrote the Torah (and unfortuantely, there is no reason to believe that they weren't just invented for teh story, since there is no evidence anywhere that Noah, or the great flood are real).
If you, for some reason, believe in teh Garden of Eden story, fine, then I guess fo ryou that was the first code. Anyone who cares to really look at it can see that the reality of the planet, and the way our species developed (and the rest of the world for that matter), show that the timeline doesn't work and the story isn't true at all, and codes were developed by tribes of early humans who gradually learned to cooperate as tehy made teh shift from nomadic gatherers to farmers with established communities. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
oh so now u r making Ba'hai and Ammadhiya Muslims Christians too. I think u r old enough to know that when a conman says look up u better look down. Hitler's Christ was Aryan not Jewish. Muslims call Jesus the Christ( Massih/Messiah) but do not hold Him to be divine or God's Son. Are they X'tian?
Do they believe Jesus is their savior? If not, then they aren't Christian. Hitler was a Christian though. Even in writings that were specifically just for him, he wrote about how Jesus was his savior and that he was doing it everything for Christ. Actually read some history books before you show your ignorance
The disambiguation of hitler's religious status was undertaken by Herr MIROSAL on this board. he is an atheist. i did not want it to seem like I was defending my religion. I hate lies but I forgive you anyways. I love U as myself.
Well, its partly my fault for trying to argue facts with a theist. How dare I try and help you see reality as it truly is using easy to find facts about history. If its part of your religious belief to be ignorant who am I to try and help.
I'm sorry for wasting your time, but I do recommend you read a book other than your holy book once in a while. It might do you good
I am a keen student of History and as such atheists like u frighten me when u formulate ur own versions like that. Mussollinni was a Roman Catholic. I am ashamed of the Crusades and proud of Charles Martel. I will however not accept every Tom, Di.ck and Harry as x'tian cos' they said so!
@Nii Croffie
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
– Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."
– Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922
By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values. The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society. ...
– Adolf Hitler, speech before the Reichstag, March 23, 1933, just before the Enabling Act is passed.
“The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
If someone believes that Christ is their savior then they are a Christian. Hitler believed this. Just because you don't like the fact he was a Christian does not change the fact that he was. His actions, no matter how against the bible they may or may not be, does not negate his religious viewpoints. Which was Christian.
I am surprised that u r pursuing this matter further n with insults n half-truths too. Typical amorality = immorality. Atheist novement was the Communist Party. Germany was n still is the most X'tian European nation. Hitler lied about a lot of things so why not a little X'tianity?
What about his statement to the effect that it was unfortunate Germany was a Christian nation. The testimony of his inner circle etc? Hitler was a politician. Do you think he will let religion stand in his way? A convenient lie but it doesn't hold water. Prejudice is clouding ur judgement.
@Nii
"What about his statement to the effect that it was unfortunate Germany was a Christian nation."
Cite your source, please.
I thought so! You have not read so much on Hitler's religious views have you? I did not use citations so search for yourself!
Quoting Hitler as a source for Truth? Only a canadian could be that stupid. There's your sign
Hitler was not Catholic, or wasnt for very long. His favorite books were by Neitzcha (sp) and there is even a quote by him on a plaque at Auschwitz. Also gave Mousolini a book by nietzcha when he visited him one time.
@Nii Croffie
Citing your source is standard part of civil debate when you make an assertion.
Make a statement, back it up with facts that can be referenced by those watching the debate.
Your unwillingness to do so can be construed as an admission of untruth – much like pleading the fifth is effectively an admission of guilt.
I proved my research – now you prove yours.
There's a . . . Christian . . . born every minute.
you are wrong... there may be a child born every minute, that i can't speak to as fact, but – a child is not born a christian...being a christian is having a belief system... you sir are a moron! ITS THE PARENTS WHO BRAINWASH THE CHILD AS IT GROWS UP THAT MAKES IT ANOTHER CONFORMER/FOLLOWER... get over it!
HIPPY I don't know what ur problem is but there is a Christian mother giving birth each minute so that she can brainwash her child. How many atheist mothers are aborting theirs? U better stop them cos our methods r getting better now n we might even convert u! lol
@Hippy,
Think we might have some friendly fire here. I blelieve the cheekily handled "Pastor P. T. Barnum" was referencing the well known quote "there's a sucker born every minute", a phrase credited to teh Circus and Side Show operator P.T. Barnum, in discussing how he was sure he would always find someone willing to pay to see their acts.
I believe the original comment was intended to show that those of the religious bent are indeed gullible. Though I could be misreadig it.
Doc Vestibule
@Nii Croffie
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
– Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."
– Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922
By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values. The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society. ...
– Adolf Hitler, speech before the Reichstag, March 23, 1933, just before the Enabling Act is passed.
“The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party
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Almost sounds like some Republicans running for office.
A canadian quoting Hitler as a source for truth, what is wrong with that picture? There's your sign
Save yourself a lot of time, possible eye/skin irritation, soap and water with the following prayer:
The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)
Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??
I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)
Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,
He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
Jerusalem.
Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.
Amen
(references used are available upon request)
I've got my ash on you, sweetie pie
I tried not to get it, in your eye
I never had the least notion
That I could mix it with your face lotion
It's not goo, folks might stare
For a running ash streak who would care?
The world will never notice
Cause I've got my ash, my baby, on you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRgTtG5GMBE&list=PL4903AF9E64A129F2&feature=player_detailpage
Love the sound of Pipe Organ. Thanks for sharing this on youtube.
Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you fat.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
Prayer dulls your senses.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
When the twilight is gone and no songbirds are singing
When the twilight is gone you come into my heart
And here in my heart you will stay while I pray
My prayer is to linger with you
At the end of the day in a dream that's divine
My prayer is a rapture in blue
With the world far away and your lips close to mine
Tonight while our hearts are aglow
Oh tell me the words that I'm longing to know
My prayer and the answer you give
May they still be the same for as long as we live
That you'll always be there at the end of my prayer
More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmania.com/my_prayer_lyrics_platters_the.html
All about Platters The: http://www.musictory.com/music/Platters+The
Prayer changes things
and thinking turns you into atheists. try it. try using your brain.
equating atheism with intelligence is like equating bird droppings with flight
Blindly follow 6,000 year old folk tales, oral histories and stories told by deluded Bronze Age murderers and rapists like it's the absolute truth, then have the gall to question others' intelligence. That's rich!