February 22nd, 2012
12:06 PM ET

Graham clarifies remarks on Obama's faith

By the CNN Political Unit

(CNN) – The Rev. Franklin Graham clarified his thoughts on President Barack Obama's Christian faith Wednesday, one day after the evangelical leader took heat over making comments about the president's ties to Islam.

"I don't question the president's faith. I'm not questioning whether he's a Christian," Graham said on CNN's "Newsroom." "I disagree with his position on abortion."

On Tuesday, Graham stirred controversy when he expressed uncertainty over whether the president is sincere enough in his faith.

He said when he asked Obama about how he became a Christian, the president said he joined a church in Chicago after becoming a community organizer, leaving Graham to speculate whether he became a Christian for the right motives.

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  1. hippypoet


    fuc.kget ash wednesday...... want meat, eat it! No imaginary sky fairy will tell me otherwise ~ not that the fairy is talking to anyone anyway, or ever has for that matter! And just so you all know, fish and chicken are NOT to be eaten either – why you ask, why the definition of the word meat may be of service here – meat :The flesh of an animal as food. Fish and birds are animals too for any who are too stupid to not know that already!

    Oh and just to give some insight here – jesus supposedly spent 40 days in the desert...the fasting is penance and inner cleansing for catholics....which is confusing because if one was to be not clean by eating meat then why eat it in the first place if once eaten one has to fast to be clean from it? Second, (in the form of a condescending question) what do you think the J man ate while in the desert? lots of vegetation there right? My answer (in the form of a condescending answser) I mean, its like a garden of eden in the desert wherever jesus went, sure – totally buy that! Or he ate anything he had at arms reach...now thats more likely, but why be rational when religion is on line...so sorry, never again, i swear to god!

    hugs and kisses,
    the Hippypoet

    Now fuc.k off!

    religion has no place in politics! delusions belong on the funny farm with chevy and old mcdonald!

    February 22, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
  2. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.

    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.

    Prayer makes you fat.

    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.

    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.

    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.

    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.

    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.

    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.

    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.

    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.

    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.

    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.

    Prayer dulls your senses.

    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.

    Prayer makes you hoard cats.

    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.

    Prayer wastes time.

    February 22, 2012 at 9:13 pm |
  3. bad

    Justin the fact that there is one on u and not the other points to a devine order of life unlike the hapnstance with holes in it from a christian theorist as Darwin was.This has nothing to do with the blog.

    February 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  4. bad

    First he was not raised muslim. His father left the mother and Prez lived with his moms mother and father. Next as christians we are to be no repector of a persons look.Also Prez was being raised during a time when racists where burning down Black churches. Not a safe to be. The bottom line to be true to himself, Fanklin never should have bared false witness and in doing so he will have answer. Too many times in the bible people who were not christians were more christian in their actions. His faith is his own, as yours or mine. Let us not forget history is full of christian zealots that did horrible things.Franklin needed to just say I have no comment on that issue and stick to ones he knows.

    February 22, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  5. alicepee

    I am a Christian but it's not up to me to question whether or not someone else is or isn't!! I was shocked when I heard his response this morning. A seasoned believer should know Romans 10:9-if you confess with your mouth Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Was he there? I think not! This is truly something that God will decide. So if you TRULY believe in God then let him handle the president and yourself.

    February 22, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Bob

      I'm guessing that guys like Graham think that everyone who joins the 'saved' club will automatically think and decide things exactly like they do. That there's no room for individualism or free thinking and, of course, that everything they believe and value as Christians are the exact same things that all good Christians should believe and value. Such ego!

      February 22, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • JustIn

      After what his representatives do with kids, I sure don't think I want your god handling our president.

      February 22, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  6. Reality

    Time to put Franklin ($800,000/yr) and Billy ($400,000/yr) out to pasture as both suffer significantly from the Three B Syndrome i.e. Bred, Born and Brainwashed in their religion, in their case, redneck Christianity !!!!

    There is, however, a quick prayer cure:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    (references used are available upon request)

    February 22, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • ......

      Hit report abuse on all reality garbage

      February 22, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Bellevue

      poster @..... has gone dotty again!

      February 22, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Spiritual abusers (like REALITY) often are sincere but misguided individuals who feel they need to repeti.tively say something because others are so dumb they can.not remember. Actually all they want is for people to give them attention and do what they, abusers, believe is right.

      February 23, 2012 at 4:10 am |
    • Reality

      Prayers are effective only when reiterated.

      February 23, 2012 at 7:54 am |
  7. screamin raven

    Is Graham running for President now? Maybe the guy with the Kool Ade and the Wako TX cult should put their hats in the ring too? Honestly, WHO CARES! I never listened to these fools who preach to people who can't think for themselves! Graham has never asked Obama how he feels about aborttion, Obama is a politician who REPRESENTS THE MAJORITY of US citizens, Obama is obligated to vote on the side of the People,. Majority rules in a democracy not a big mouth!

    February 22, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
  8. boocat

    I'm tired of these Jesus freaks and their arrogance. They don't know the meaning of the word "christianity." To quote their bible "judge not lest ye be judged." Guess they missed that chapter.

    February 22, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      TRUE BELIEVERS JUDGE (not according to their own standard Matthew 7:1-2)

      "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 (Ephesians 5:11, 1 Corinthian 5:12)

      "But he who is spiritual judges ALL things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one." 1 Corinthians 2:15 (1 Corinthian 6:2-3; 10:15; 14:29, Romans 16:17)

      Judging Is Believing.

      Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? (Luke 12:57)

      What is right?

      The statutes of the Lord are right (Psalm 19:8).

      False Christians (and others) often tell us it is not right to judge. Some fools hypocritically condemn us for judging (Luke 6:37), and they all hypocritically judge that we judge. When we identify preachers as false teachers leading both themselves and those who follow them to hell, when we declare others as on their way to hell, and especially when we warn them they are lost, we often hear these words (or the equivalent), "Judge not" (Matthew 7:1). Yet, these words are exactly why we judge.


      February 22, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Oh Yeah

      So, all you have to do is think that your judgment is "righteous" and it's all OK. I wonder how many Christians who judge others aren't convinced of this?

      February 22, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • screamin raven

      This is hilarious, maybe HS should read the part about Lucifer being cast out of heaven and the reason why. Truly, I believe what Luke meant is that being human means being judgemental, normal affliction...Hell, I am judgemental and think I'm right until someone proves me wrong or supports my judgement with another fact I didn't recognise! Although I don't like Obama's policies, I would never condemn him as not being Christian. We have freedom of religion in the US and we hold all our religions in the same reverence Santorum holds his religion. That makes no one correct. How about not bearing false witness, that would be a better option since there are 20 Christian Bibles saying different things, the 10 Commandments always work.

      February 22, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Reality

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with John's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      February 22, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • AGuest9

      Josephus Philo-Judæus Seneca Pliny Elder Arrian Petronius Dion Pruseus Paterculus Suetonius Juvenal Martial Persius Plutarch Pliny Younger Tacitus Justus of Tiberius Apollonius Quintilian Lucanus Epictetus Hermogones Silius Italicus Statius Ptolemy Appian Phlegon Phædrus Valerius Maximus Lucian Pausanias Florus Lucius Quintius Curtius Aulus Gellius Dio Chrysostom Columella Valerius Flaccus Damis Favorinus Lysias Pomponius Mela Appion of Alexandria Theon of Smyrna

      All of these First and Second Century historians, and not one of them wrote a single word of this wondrous Jesus of Nazareth. Isn't that odd, with all of the miraculous claims made about him by his followers?

      February 22, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Reality

      From Professors Crossan and Watts' book, Who is Jesus.

      "That Jesus was crucified under Pontius Pilate, as the Creed states, is as certain as anything historical can ever be.

      “ The Jewish historian, Josephus and the pagan historian Tacitus both agree that Jesus was executed by order of the Roman governor of Judea. And is very hard to imagine that Jesus' followers would have invented such a story unless it indeed happened.

      “While the brute fact that of Jesus' death by crucifixion is historically certain, however, those detailed narratives in our present gospels are much more problematic. "

      “My best historical reconstruction would be something like this. Jesus was arrested during the Passover festival, most likely in response to his action in the Temple. Those who were closest to him ran away for their own safety.

      I do not presume that there were any high-level confrontations between Caiaphas and Pilate and Herod Antipas either about Jesus or with Jesus. No doubt they would have agreed before the festival that fast action was to be taken against any disturbance and that a few examples by crucifixion might be especially useful at the outset. And I doubt very much if Jewish police or Roman soldiers needed to go too far up the chain of command in handling a Galilean peasant like Jesus. It is hard for us to imagine the casual brutality with which Jesus was probably taken and executed. All those "last week" details in our gospels, as distinct from the brute facts just mentioned, are prophecy turned into history, rather than history remembered."

      See also Professor Crossan's reviews of the existence of Jesus in his other books especially, The Historical Jesus and also Excavating Jesus (with Professor Jonathan Reed doing the archeology discussion) .

      Other NT exegetes to include members of the Jesus Seminar have published similar books with appropriate supporting references.

      Part of Crossan's The Historical Jesus has been published online at books.google.com/books.

      There is also a search engine for this book on the right hand side of the opening page. e.g. Search Josephus

      See also Wikipedia's review on the historical Jesus to include the Tacitus' reference to the crucifixion of Jesus.

      From ask.com,

      "One of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Cornelius Tacitus is a primary source for much of what is known about life the first and second centuries after the life of Jesus. His most famous works, Histories and Annals, exist in fragmentary form, though many of his earlier writings were lost to time. Tacitus is known for being generally reliable (if somewhat biased toward what he saw as Roman immorality) and for having a uniquely direct (if not blunt) writing style.

      Then there are these scriptural references:

      Crucifixion of Jesus:(1) 1 Cor 15:3b; (2a) Gos. Pet. 4:10-5:16,18-20; 6:22; (2b) Mark 15:22-38 = Matt 27:33-51a = Luke 23:32-46; (2c) John 19:17b-25a,28-36; (3) Barn. 7:3-5; (4a) 1 Clem. 16:3-4 (=Isaiah 53:1-12); (4b) 1 Clem. 16.15-16 (=Psalm 22:6-8); (5a) Ign. Mag. 11; (5b) Ign. Trall. 9:1b; (5c) Ign. Smyrn. 1.2.- (read them all at wiki.faithfutures. Crucifixion org/index.php/005_Crucifixion_Of_Jesus )

      Added suggested readings:

      o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
      2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
      – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

      30-60 CE Passion Narrative
      40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
      50-60 1 Thessalonians
      50-60 Philippians
      50-60 Galatians
      50-60 1 Corinthians
      50-60 2 Corinthians
      50-60 Romans
      50-60 Philemon
      50-80 Colossians
      50-90 Signs Gospel
      50-95 Book of Hebrews
      50-120 Didache
      50-140 Gospel of Thomas
      50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
      50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
      65-80 Gospel of Mark
      70-100 Epistle of James
      70-120 Egerton Gospel
      70-160 Gospel of Peter
      70-160 Secret Mark
      70-200 Fayyum Fragment
      70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
      73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
      80-100 2 Thessalonians
      80-100 Ephesians
      80-100 Gospel of Matthew
      80-110 1 Peter
      80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
      80-130 Gospel of Luke
      80-130 Acts of the Apostles
      80-140 1 Clement
      80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
      80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
      80-250 Christian Sibyllines
      90-95 Apocalypse of John
      90-120 Gospel of John
      90-120 1 John
      90-120 2 John
      90-120 3 John
      90-120 Epistle of Jude
      93 Flavius Josephus
      100-150 1 Timothy
      100-150 2 Timothy
      100-150 T-itus
      100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
      100-150 Secret Book of James
      100-150 Preaching of Peter
      100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
      100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
      100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
      100-160 2 Peter

      3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
      – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
      4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
      5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
      8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
      9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.

      Additional references are available.

      February 23, 2012 at 7:56 am |
  9. jimtanker

    I cannot believe that there are people in this day and age that believe this drivvel that this guy is spewing.

    February 22, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I suppose Jim, we only need to listen to your drivel?


      February 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
  10. JustIn

    I'd like to get behind Rick Santorum and give him my solid support, but until he's more open about all the stimulus that has gone into his package, we won't know for sure that he's a real Republican and a true evangelical Christian like the rest of them, no matter how oral he gets.

    February 22, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • William Demuth


      Was this an attempt to put gay innuendo into a post, or did you do it subconsciously?

      February 22, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • PeterVN

      I personally suspect that JustIn inserted that post intentionally, or wanted to. It becomes clear in the last phrase, where he was going with it.

      February 22, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  11. Truth

    I see the same standard ldiots are posting comments again......You people really need to get a life.

    I'm only speaking to the morons who sit on here day in and day out and have no intelligence whatsoever, but they claim they're all knowing.....just shows how foolish they really are.

    February 22, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • William Demuth

      For someone called Truth, you seem clueless?

      Whats up with that?

      February 22, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • jimtanker

      I know just what you mean truth. These bible beaters really are clueless aren’t they?

      February 22, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • boocat

      Who died and made you god?

      February 22, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Bob

      You sure do come off as "all knowing" about the people who usually post here, so I guess you're counting yourself amongst them, eh Sparky?

      February 22, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
  12. Uncouth Swain

    No doubt Obama is loving all of this. "It's about the economy stupid" is the last thing he wants the nation to try and focus on politically right now. Just keep stepping into the social/moral quagmire Right Wing.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • William Demuth

      If Obama planed this he would make Machiavelli proud!

      Of all the truly good men in the GOP, how did it manage to put this group forward?

      I think we need to split the GOP into three distinct parties, and the Dems into two.

      Its hard to say the extremes come from the same planet, much less the same party!

      February 22, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
  13. Rainer Braendlein

    If Obama loves the Muslims, he should become a real Christian, so that he becomes a good example for the lost Muslim sinners (all Muslims are lost, because they lack God's grace). Barak Obama should not call the Koran holy. That is a lie. The truth: The Koran is a ridiculous, unholy lie, made-up by the impostor Muhammad.

    I love Muslim people, not because of their Muslim belief, but because they are just human beings with human dignity. Furthermore we are all together sinners, which need God's grace, the Christians and the Muslims.

    I may burn an edition of the Koran or not, one thing is clear: The Koran is unholy from the sight of the Christian Church.

    We should consider that Christianity is not one of many legitimate religions, but the only legitimate religion. Jesus, the Son of God, who came down from heaven and finally proved his divine sonship by his resurrection, teached the divine gospel and by that he established the Christian Church. Furthermore, Jesus was the predicted Messiah of the Jews and David's Son (Jesus fullfilled the prophecies on the Messiah of the Old Testament; in contrast Muhammad just came out of the darkness and nobody confirmed his prophethood). Jesus was a Jewish King. Through the Jew Jesus there is a connection between traditional age-old Judaism and Christianity. Christianity is the successor of age-old Judaism and has its roots in it. Hence, Christianity is a very respectable and solid religion.

    The core message of Christianity is that Jesus has died for us on the cross and borne our sins there. If we believe that, we become rightous by God's grace. God wants to save us through grace and not by doing works of the law (we are not able to keep the law by our natural strength, because we are under the original sin). The new life, which God gives us for free, is a life of Christian love, which automatically fullfills the law. God's Spirit dwells in us and lives God's life through us, so that we have no more need for any law. We are led by God himself, that is the mystery of the Christian life.

    The Koran denies the divine sonship of Jesus Christ and that he died for us on the cross (some Muslims assume Judas Iscarioth died on the cross, instead of Jesus). Denying Christ's death on the cross means denying the gospel, which is the spiritual center of the universe. Hence, the Koran denies, what the eternal God revealed through Jesus Christ our Lord and God.

    The Koran teaches that Jesus was not the eternal Son of God, who came down from heaven to earth and became man, but just an acknowledged prophet like Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc..

    The most bad thing of the Koran is that it teaches that Jesus, Abraham and Moses had been Imams and had teached the Islam (that is ridiculous). Furthermore the Koran sees Jews and Christians as former Muslims, which have turned apostate (that is the evil mystery of the Koran). Of course, people which have turned apostate, must be disposed of and should be killed. In the sight of the Muslims Judaism and Christianity are distored religions. Jews and Christians have distorted the genuine faith of Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Now it becomes clear, why they hate us. But Muhammed has hoaxed them infinitely. Muhammad just copied parts of the Bible and added on some own ideas. His most "striking" news was that "God is one" and "don't ascribe partners to Allah". But I ask: "Are these statements are interesting in any way?" No, not at all. This statements on Allah just mean that Muhammad was an anti-Christian and hated the Christians. I assume he made-up the Koran, just in order to unite the Arabs for a war against the Christian Eastern Roman Empire.

    Conclusion: The Koran is not holy, but unholy. However, we may not burn editions of the Koran, but preach the gospel towards the Muslims, which are lost sinners and need Jesus. The Muslims must accept that Muhammad was an impostor in our sight and the Koran is an evil lie, ready.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Definition help.

      Merriam-Webster.com: "Holy"
      a : having a divine quality b : venerated as or as if sacred

      Just because you do not revere it, doesn't mean it isn't to someone. Obama is speaking from a political standpoint and he is trying to be respectful of people who do affect the lives of Americans. He's being politically correct. Since he is a Christian, more than likely, he doesn't adhere to the book's tenets, but he is recognizing that some do. He's not a religious leader, he's a political leader and he has to separate his own beliefs and pursue relations diplomatically with other nations and that means being respectful of their beliefs.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      The Koran teaches that Abraham, Moses and even Jesus had teached the Islam and were highly acknowledged by Allah. However, their pupils, the ordinary Jews and Christians had been disobedient towards their teachers and had distorted the genuine teachings of Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Hence, the Muslims think that Christianity and Judaism would be distortions of the old Religion of Truth, which is Islam in their sight and they had to lead back the whole world to Islam, the genuine faith.

      If we understand that connection, we can understand, why they hate us so much. In their sight we are people, which keep a religion of apostasy.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • think for yourself

      TLDR: "My holy book is better than their holy book".

      February 22, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • David Johnson

      @Rainer Braendlein

      Do you have any proof that your god exists and the Muslim god does not?

      Just bein' curious

      February 22, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • boocat

      Translation- "My god has a bigger d**k than your god."

      February 22, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • JustIn

      But my d**k is bigger than your god.

      Now, I'm not saying that I'm particularly well hung. It's just that your god doesn't exist, so I win the contest if I am even barely visibly male.

      February 22, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • LinCA


      You said, "It's just that your god doesn't exist, so I win the contest if I am even barely visibly male."
      You'd win this contest if you were female.

      February 22, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
  14. Rainer Braendlein

    If Barak Obama is a Muslim, he should know in what crap he believes:

    The problem of Islam is that Muhammad preached it, when Christianity was yet established for a very long time (600 years). I mean the whole world had received a good, lawful religion and then came this lousy Arab and invented something new. It is clear that it had to be a lie.

    Christianity was and is the legitimate and authorised and accredited religion of the world, because it was preached by Jesus himself,who was the Son of God (he proved his divine sonship by the miracles, which he wrought and he fullfilled the Oldtestament prohecies on the Messiah; furthermore John the Baptist and others confirmed his divine sonship; moreover he finally proved his divine sonship by his resurrection; in contrast, Muhammad's body was eaten by dogs). Later, even the great Roman emperors like Constantine authorised Christianity as legitimate religion of the civilized world (ecu-mene). Furthermore, Jesus was a Jewish King and thus there was a connection between age-old traditional Judaism and Christianity, which gave much authority to Christianity.

    In contrast, Muhammad and Islam:

    Muhammad was predicted by nobody. He could not work any miracle. He was not an offspring of King David, bad a lousy Arab. The teaching of Koran does not fit together with the teaching of the Old Testament. Islam has no connection with age-old Judaism, which was the first religion of the world, hence, Islam must be a nonsense.

    Islam was never accepted and authorised by the Western rulers and of course a civilized man, who reads the Koran, will notice that it is a ridiculous book, made-up by Muhammad. It is never a divine revelation, but a mixture of Jewish and Christian elements and some ideas of Muhammad, absolutely ridiculous. "God is one", says Muhammad. What is interesting about that statement? It is pure boredom.

    Thus Islam has befallen the world like cancer. It just means bloodshed and destruction. Bloodshed is all about Islam.

    Solution: Let us live as faithful Christians, so that God may release us from that crap.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Obama isn't a Muslim.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      I don't know, if Obama is a Muslim. I have no possibility to check it out.

      Actually, by my comment I want to point to the backwardness of Islam.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Actually, it's very EASY to find out.

      1) He's said on multiple occasions he is a Christian.
      2) He attended Trinity United Church for 20 years prior to his run for presidency. Since he was in his late forties when he became President, that would mean he's been there for the lion's share of his adult life.

      Since you are a Christian, I would like to take the opportunity to use Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."

      Can I suggest not using the term "backwards" in reference to someone else's religion?

      James 4:6 "But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: “God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.”

      It doesn't help our case, nor to preach the message of Christ, to lamblast another religion. You get nothing by offending people and in fact, can drive people away from Christ. It is something that has been going on with the uber-religious for far too long and is it any wonder that it doesn't work? Instead, let's use gentleness and lead. But if they don't want to follow, that's fine, let them be on their way, pray for them, bless them and wish them well.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Rainer Braendlein


      Thanks for your extensive comment.

      However, don't be too humble.

      I have done a lot of studies on Islam and I figured out that it has in fact no proper substance. I mean it like this: If there would be no life, death would be meaningless. If there would be no Christianity, Islam would be meaningless. Do you get me? As far I understand the whole matter, the only meaning of Islam is the destruction of Christianity. Islam is the most anti-Christian religion. which was ever invented. Islam is the death of Christianity. Destruction of the Christian faith is all about Islam.

      Muhammad just made-up the Islam (at least I suppose that), in order to unite the Arabs for a war against the Christian Empire Byzantium. I don't know, how the Byzantine Christians caused Muhammad's hatred.

      The Koran does not only reject the basic tenets of Christianity, but also requires the Muslim countries to conquer Christian countries and to make the Christians their slaves or to kill them.

      Thus, don't make a mistake. The Islam is dangerous and athirst for blood and let us pray that God protects us from that evil beast.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      With all due respect, neither Jesus, nor Paul, nor anyone ever mentioned being "too humble." I don't think there are varying degrees of humility. You either are, or you are not.

      Secondly, you are quoting the Muslim extremists. I know plenty of Muslims that cooperate just nicely with Christians. We just have a different viewpoint than them on the divinity of Christ. Islam is not out to destroy Christianity. Taking extremism as the point of view of Islam, is like taking Westboro Baptist Church as an indicator of Christianity. It simply is not true. Sure, there are passages about attacking Christianity in the Koran that are hundreds of years old. The Bible has some of the same points of view towards others. Read Leviticus and Deuteronomy and see how a lot of those passages, if taken in today's context, would be vile and horrific.

      Remember, Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

      Muslims are people! They are beloved of Christ! Jesus came and died for them as well and would do so again! Simply because they reject His sacrifice doesn't mean they are any less loved by Jesus and if we call ourselves disciples of Christ, how can we not love them? How can we say negative things about them?

      You should take the viewpoint that these are lost people. These people are the ones that Christ's heart bleeds for. Nothing is more important to God and nothing should be more on our minds than that. Because we are fighting a war in the spiritual realm and the consequences and outcomes are desperate indeed.

      February 22, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • John

      Its not Islam thats the issue- its SIN that has befallen the world and jesus Christ is the only means of getting sine forgiven- Period.

      February 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Sue

      Sine being forgiven is not even tangential. Personally, I play tennis left-handed if the weather is good.

      February 22, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Rainer...you exemplify the problem with religion and that while it exists peace will not. Lets say a god actually turns up, and he is not the one you expected...or even the pope expected, or Islam...what would happen. he/she /it would be refuted as being a devil and a false Prophet...This" being" would not have to prove anything to you as faith does not require it. As an Atheist I am told that god does not have to prove anything to me..like grow limbs on an amputee etc...so its a no win situation as far as I can see. .

      February 22, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
  15. Joe T.

    Graham said what he meant. The man knows how to pick and choose words. He makes his living off of it.

    February 22, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
  16. William Demuth

    This man is a parasite.

    He sells tickets to see his own mothers grave.

    I hope some muslim whacks him!

    February 22, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 22, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  18. Leo

    Graham has every right to be concerned about Obama's claim to Christianity. And yes many will jump on the don't judge verses, but the truth is Christians are to look intently at those that claim to be Christians.

    Would the Scientific Community accept some that was claiming to be a scientist, but did not meet their standards? Look how they treat anyone who sees the strength behind Intelligent Design and doesn't walk lock step in the faith of Evolution.

    The truth is Barrack Hussein Obama was raised a Muslim. Do you know what happens to Muslims when they convert to Christianity? They are hated, and if possible murdered in Muslim Countries. Look at the Pastor in Iran!

    Why would the Muslim nations embrace Barrack Obama? Look at his speech in Egypt and you know what? They love him, why? because they believe he is Muslim. Look how he bowed to the Saudi King, he could touch his toes he was so bent over.

    Islam is Anti Christian period, the Bible is clear "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."

    The Koran says this "Those who say: “The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son, preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack . . .”

    IF Obama were a Christian he would NEVER claim the Koran is HOLY, only a Muslim would do that!!

    February 22, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • William Demuth


      Do you have any idea how silly you sound?

      This is the 21st century for crying out loud!

      February 22, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      I don't know how Obama was raised, but it is pretty clear that he was a Christian, or at least ascribed to Christianity, long before the presidential race.

      Do you remember, during his 2008 campaign, the whole issue about the Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his quasi-racist remarks from the pulpit about Hillary Clinton? The reason this was an issue was because this was the minister at Obama's church, the Trinity United Church in Chicago...the one that he and his family had been attending for at least 20 years. So for the sake of argument, we're going to call it 1988 is when Barrack Obama began attending this church.

      Now, Obama just turned 50 last year (his birthday is 8/4/61), which means he was roughly 47 when he took office. That means, Obama had been attending that church since his late 20s. He was married in 1992 to Michelle, so he'd already been at the church around four years when he got married. His daughters were raised in that church.

      All of this says, if Obama was raised Muslim, not very long into his adult life he converted to Christianity.

      February 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Ronald Reagan bowed to the Saudi King as well.
      George Bush Jr. not only bowed to him, but kissed and held hands with Abdullah.
      President Dwight Eisenhower bowed to French President Charles De Gaulle in 1959.
      Richard Nixon bowed to the Emperor of Ja.pan, Hirohito.

      While Obama was raised Muslim, he was an avowed atheist by college, then later found Jesus.
      Should you not be rejoicing in his conversion instead of rejecting it? If someone comes to your church seeking redemption, do you toss them out if their background doesn't jive with what you think a Christian should be?
      What about Saint Augustine's doctrine of "cognite intrare" (compel them to enter) that justified FORCED conversion of heathens for hundreds of years? If someone given a eucharist at gunpoint can be considered a true Christian, why not someone who converted of their own free will?

      February 22, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • J.W

      So by this logic a person can only be a Christian if they are born one, and to be a true Christian one must hated and be hated by Muslims.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Portland tony

      What you say is foolish!

      February 22, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Joe T.

      Leo is like a typical Christian, doesn't like to use logic when he opens his mouth.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Leo

      Calling the Koran Holy when it states "Those who say: “The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son, preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack . . .” is nothing short of Blasphemy or irreverence towards Christianity, God and Jesus Christ!

      If he did it in ignorance... who knows... but this should cause people to keep their eyes open.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Calling the Bible Holy when it has passages like:
      "Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished."
      "O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us- he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
      "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
      is just A-OK with you, Leo?

      February 22, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • DamianKnight


      Calling the Koran "holy" is just a mention that it is a sacred book to a group of people. The Torah is also a "holy" book. So is the Bible and so are the texts of other religions. It does not convey that there is a worship of the book or its contents, merely that it is a sacred tome to someone.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Leo

      Doc, Isaiah 13 is the final day of the Lord or Judgement Day, The Prophesies fortold tell us what is going to happen so that you will know to run from evil and follow what is good.

      People like you ignorantly assume because it records events that are brutal it is God that does it.

      God has given man free will to chose Good or Bad, so that all are without excuse. Man is going to bring this world to the point where If God does not cut short the days no flesh will be saved.

      Note the promise here he is going to "Behold, I am going to stir up the Medes against them"

      Who are the Medes? The Iranians!! Looks alot like where we are today!! I hope you wake up before it is too late!!

      Why do you assume that this is God that does this?

      February 22, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      You say that the Koran is not a Holy Book becuase it contains passages with which you disagree.
      I'm trying to draw you the parallel that the Bible contains passages with which many disagree, yet you would have a fit if someone denied ITS Holiness.
      How can the Tanakh, Talmud, Midrash, New Testament, Quran, Sunnah, Nahjul Balagha, Avesta, Vedas, Upanisahds, Bhagavad Gita, Puranas, Tantras, Sutras, Vachanas, Adi Granth, Purvas, Samayasara, Niyamasara, Pravacanasara, and Pancastikaya; Anupreksa; Samadhishataka of Pujyapada; Tattvarthasutra of Umasvati, Tattvarthasutra, Pali Tripitaka, Jataka,, Visuddimagga, Tripitaka, Lotus Sutra, Garland Sutra, Analects; the Great Learning; the Doctrine of the Mean; the Mencius, Tao Te Ching, Chuang-tzu, Kojiki, Nihon Shoki, K-oki, Ofudesaki, Mikagura-uta, Michi-no-Shiori, Johrei, Goseigen, Netarean Shower of Holy Doctrines, Chun Boo Kyung, Kitab-i-Iqan, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, Book of Mormon, Dianetics, or Revelation X be dismissed as Holy Books since they all claim to be The Truth?

      February 22, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Leo

      Doc, My point is Obama claims to be Christian, and Christians believe that Jesus is the Son Of God. The Koran says that this is a monstrous falsehood, and Obama calls that Holy.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest


      You really don't get it do you. Calling a different religious text Holy merely shows the proper respect for their faith. Religious texts are holy books, end of story. You are so focused on clinging to the thought that Obama could in all possibility be a Muslim that you are making yourself look like an intolerant idiot.

      February 22, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Leo

      Hawaii, I made it clear that "If he did it in ignorance... who knows... but this should cause people to keep their eyes open."

      If you think it is ok for Obama to call a Book that is against his supposed Savior Holy, go ahead.

      February 22, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest


      And why should showing respect to another religions belief and text cause people to keep their eyes open? It has nothing to do with supposed ignorance and everything to do with showing respect and tolerance to other beliefs, whether he agrees with them or not.

      February 22, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      This is why I laugh at Leo's posts about abortion. He's so stupid it sits on him like a second skin.

      February 22, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • Leo

      TomTom, I have never posted anything on abortion. You must have mistaken me for someone else?

      February 22, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
  19. Politik

    It is very clear from his interviews that Rev. Franklin Graham's interest is to bring to light the persecution of Christians by the Muslims around the globe.

    Why is the news media bent on shifting the focus to what Graham intends to talk about to Graham's stance on the President's faith? Why this obsession by the news media to constantly trap the Rev. with deceitful questions?

    February 22, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  20. Brad

    Graham speculates over Obama's motives. Interesting. What are the wrong motives for becoming a Christian?

    February 22, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • BRC

      "To pick up chicks." Thinking that's probably not the best reason (not implying anyone has done so, jsut throwing out ideas).

      February 22, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • BRC

      Pathological obsession with waifers.

      February 22, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Lewis Keseberg

      Who else is so accepting of vampires and cannibals? I love me some jesus-meat.

      February 22, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Bob

      Making a lot of money off of writing books as the son of Billy Graham might be a bad motive, I suppose?

      February 22, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
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