February 23rd, 2012
04:34 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, February 23

By Dan Merica, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: For the rush on Ash Wednesday, ashes on the go
If not on this Ash Wednesday, groups of Methodists and Episcopalians took to the streets in cities across the country to make sure you got them, representing a growing ashes-on-the-run movement.

CNN: After Anne Frank baptism, Mormons vow to discipline members
Reacting to a report that well-known Holocaust victim Anne Frank had been baptized by proxy in a Mormon temple, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints says it is committed to disciplining members of its church who conducted such baptisms, which violate church policy.

One iReporter shares photos of Catholics in the Philippines receiving ashes on Ash Wednesday.

CNN: iReport: Ash Wednesday in the Philippines
iReporter "armantaylo" shot these photos Wednesday of Catholics receiving the imposition of ashes at the famous Basilica of the Black Nazarene in Manila, Philippines. "The service went peacefully but the line to get anointed is never ending, as passerby also join the line," he said.

CNN: Graham clarifies remarks on Obama’s faith
The Rev. Franklin Graham clarified his thoughts on President Barack Obama's Christian faith Wednesday, one day after the evangelical leader took heat over making comments about the president's ties to Islam.

Tweet of the Day:

From @LiveMinistries1: Christianpost: Lent: United Methodist Church Calls for 'AlcoholFree' Season: For Lent thi... http://bit.ly/AtGnBx

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Enlightening Reads:

The Jewish Daily Forward: ‘Jew Pond’ Earns Unwanted Scrutiny
One could say it was bacteria that caused Jew Pond to emerge from the miasma of history. In the summer of 2010, an algae bloom forced the closure of a small swampy pond near the center of Mont Vernon, a storybook New Hampshire town of 2,400 people. And so it was that “Jew Pond” was splashed across the headlines of the local papers.

Rick Santorum has worn his faith on his sleeve during this election.

The Christian Science Monitor: Politics of Rick Santorum's theology: Is faith a kingmaker or deal-breaker?
The language of personal faith appears to be helping GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum turn lingering doubts among Protestant evangelicals about Mitt Romney's Mormonism (and even President Obama's Christianity) into a poll surge.

The New York Times: Irish Poised to Revisit Abortion Law
Abortion is back on the agenda in Ireland after a European Court of Human Rights ruling last year found the state in violation of its own Constitution on the matter. Ireland’s abortion laws are the strictest in Europe, but the Irish government may be about to address the previously unapproachable: whether to loosen restrictions on ending a pregnancy.

Quote of the Day:

It is something that is rooted in the nature of every human being. We see it across the animal kingdom all animals discipline their young they have to if the animals are going to survive. So it stands to reason that if it is wise, good and according to nature, God is going to agree with it because he's pretty smart too.

A new controversial book titled Train Up A Child, tells parents to spank their children using wooden spoons, spatulas and even plumbing tools. Michael Pearl talks with a reporter from WVNSTV about what he says is the importance of this type of punishment.

Today’s Analysis:

Get Religion: A ‘quieter battle’ over… gay marriage and ordination
If you watch internal church debates, you know that nothing gets people riled up more than just about anything to do with sex: premarital sex, homosexuality, you name it. People feel quite passionately about these issues, enough to part ways with one another. So I laughed out loud when I read a line from a piece published in New York Times about a “quieter battle” being waged within churches over gay marriage and gay ordination.

Join the conversation…

CNN: Jeremy Lin emerges as emblem of burgeoning Asian-American Christianity
Lin, who had been baptized into an evangelical Chinese church near San Francisco in ninth grade and had come to value Christian fellowship through his youth group, was part of the Harvard-Radcliffe Asian American Christian Fellowship group, regularly attending Bible study.

- Dan Merica

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soundoff (143 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    February 23, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I remain unchanged.

      Pray for me.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I remain unchanged.

      Pray harder for me,

      February 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      "I ain't lookin' for help from on-high. That's a long wait for a train don't come."
      Malcolm Reynolds, "Serenity"

      February 23, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • i'm not a doctor but i play one on tv

      Now William you've been told before, when your adult diaper is full ring for an attendant and they will change you.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I am forced to believe you are an incompetent prayer, because I still remain unchanged.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • i'm not a doctor but i play one on tv

      All indications are no one prays for you William.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • William Demuth

      i'm not a doctor but i play one on tv

      I have prayed for myself, but to no avail.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • i'm not a doctor but i play one on tv

      Then who would the incompetent prayer be?

      February 23, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • William Demuth

      i'm not a doctor but i play one on tv

      Our Asian Witch of many names!

      She seems to pray all the time, but never gets anything done.

      February 23, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • DamianKnight

      Ten points to Twin for a Firefly reference.

      February 23, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
  2. Fallacy Spotting 101 - Pot, or Kettle?

    I'm assuming you all have guessed it by now, but I'm the same person. I only post when I can call out a believer for something (and often times incorrectly). I don't call out any atheists, who make the same exact type of posts, because I side with them and will not ridicule my own. So I am really the kettle, or pot, or whatever I also call the other side.

    February 23, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Pot, or kettle?

      Aren't you cute and clever.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Pot, or kettle?

      Of course, @seriously, your claim is quite disingenuous since you yourself earlier pointed out you never stated your beliefs. So, I wasn't calling out a believer. I was just calling out a smug little hypocrite who can apparently dish it out, but most certainly can't take it. Someone pee in your cheerios this morning?

      February 23, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Whatever floats your boat!

      After all, this ain't exactly the United Nations!

      February 23, 2012 at 2:30 pm |

    Me and my CNN buddy ANDERSON P00PER love to read these comments. Such rational and intelligent debate.

    Too bad so sad all you losers. Go back to your caves and play world of warcraft your freaks.

    February 23, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • GodPot

      Sounds like someone is frothing at the mouth with Santorum...

      Just a reminder, someday humanity will wipe away ignorance and intolerance like your as we did small pox, we might even invent an inoculation for you, but until then we will just continue to suffer your stupidity and hope that the minority of religious conservatives in this country never get to elect their insane candidates.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  4. Clowns

    Came to the comments section hoping for some good honest debating. All I see are cheap shots and people calling each other names. This is sad....

    February 23, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Day started nasty and went down hill.

      Rational debate isn't expected any time soon.

      February 23, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      No respectful, rational debate?
      That's what YOU say, Mr. Poopy Pants.
      Nyah nyah nyah, neener neener neener. :-P~ *thhhhppppt*

      February 23, 2012 at 12:21 pm |

    • Some posts are better left as roadkill. That was the mistake that was made here today. Walk around or step over, but don't gawk and prod at it.

      February 23, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Nanny Nanny!! BOO BOO!

      Stranger danger!

      February 23, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Bo

      I’m presuming that you may be an atheist.
      I believe you are right, there is a lot of “cheap shots” being thrown around. I use to post a lot more than I do now, that was when there was “good dialogue”, but I wearied of the nonsense. Some of the people, who still post, were at one time more sophisticated in their posts.
      I come on now, without posting, just to learn what may be in the news; even a lot of that is ridiculous meaningless nonsense.

      February 23, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • BRC

      I blame these useless speed read articles. If you take two people who disagree with each other on a fundamental level, and stick them in a room where they can't see or touch one another, they can only talk, and then give them nothing specific to talk about, there is only one direction that's going to go. You're not going to get scholarly debate or academic pursuit of positions, theses, and opinions, you're going to have two frustrated people calling each other names trying to win a fight that isn't even happening.

      Now, if CNN would give us REAL articles, with actual topics, at least a few people would start making comments worthy of consideration and discussion (there would still be yammering idiots on both sides of the aisle, but that's never going to change).

      In short, CNN, delete the useless word filter, and give us real articles to foster intelleigent debate. Thank you.

      February 23, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • William Demuth


      So true.

      A specific premise leads to better debate.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
  5. Doc Vestibule

    @???? @OUCH

    Why are all these Christians hanging around in threads about Muslims and offering up their comments.
    For people who don't believe that Mohammed is God's only prophet, they sure spend a lot of time thinking and arguing about him.
    But I think I know why – it's becuase Christians have a smug sense of self-righteousnes. Despite their God's commands to be humble, they still are certain of their own special place in the Creator's eyes and therefore feel justified in looking down on everyone else.
    It's the perfect belief for those with self-esteem issues and/or a desire to condemn this and that to eternal torment from a fiery pulpit.
    EVERY Christian I've known has been a condesending, arrogant, hyprocritical piece of trash.

    I have to admit, it's kind of fun making sweeping, baseless generalizations.
    Thanks for showing me how, ???, Ouch, and Seriously.

    February 23, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • William Demuth

      Well done. You're almost Christian.

      Now just bend over and prepare for baptisim.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • Harvey the Rabbit

      Religious people are very angry. The posts they make here are always angry and bitter,

      You are right – that's kind of fun!

      February 23, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Oh gosh you are worse than the Christan who was calling atheists a "piece of" something. So that is all you have to offer .. you can stick your tongue out and call each other naughty words. But then it is clear that you have nothing to say OTHER than that.

      February 23, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
    • DamianKnight


      Hahahahahaha! I was almost starting to get somewhat offended, Doc, until I read the bottom and realized it was all satire. Thanks for the laugh. And I agree with you regarding broad, sweeping generalizations.

      February 23, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      You and I have been going back and forth long enough that I hope you realize I'm not THAT much of an a$$.
      But as we see on this board every day, ignorance and stupidity aren't hindered by faith (or lack thereof).

      February 23, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
  6. Daniel Morency

    From a canadian standpoint it is kind of frightening in 2012, to hear people challenging to become president of United States speak religion. Religion is a private matter and it has nothing to do with politic. I have the feeling they try to convince the undereducated people to follow the path of all religions which is obsolete. So instead of being "politically coward", why do they not just speak about the real issues: health, jobs, businesses. I think that the financial mess in USA has been the consequences of irrational moves from the Bushes administrations oriented toward the gas war. Aren't they from Texas?

    February 23, 2012 at 11:44 am |
    • Brad

      Rick Santorum does have an audience when he speaks of a war on religion, or the plotting of Satan against the uniquely good and righteous United States of America. The other candidates try to reach those people as well. The test in the end, which the political system provides, is whether these people comprise a significant fraction of of the voting public. I think the answer will ultimately be no, and the candidates will look a bit foolish in the end.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      The press likes to bring up religions, race, ethnic issues, labor. Politicians do not like to talk about the real problems because they do not have any solutions for real problems. (jobs, war, health, education). When they get involved in real problems the problems get worse. The only power they have it to tax and regulate. Neither creates any solution; so they like to talk about God and Rove v Wade and their immigrant grand father ..

      February 23, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • William Demuth

      So Daniel

      You Cannucks coming on the pilgramage to Iran?

      You guys got in on the last crusade, you want in on the next one?

      February 23, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      We came along to Afghanistan, but stayed out of the Iraq debacle.
      That being said, I don't think many Canadians would shed a tear if the same SEAL team that put a bullet in Bin Laden's head paid a visit to the Ayatollah and Ahmidinijad.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Doc Vestibule

      Can you offer us a Guantanamo North?

      Some Godless iceberg or old NORAD early warning sight to store our Iraninan comrades in?

      February 23, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  7. RightTurnClyde

    If they really wanted "Ashes on the go" why not just have an icon on the Iphone and when you touch the icon poof .. you got (virtual) ashes. Then also you can Iphone stations of the cross ($5 use your Visa) , I phone light a candle ($1.75 via Amazon), Iphone Bapstism ($100), Iphone confessions ($25), I phone wedding ($300), Iphone bless your crops and livestock ($100), Iphone indulgences ($15/ea), Iphone communion ($10 you supply your own bread .. BYOB) , Iphone extreme unction ($200). The Protestants can do it too. Iphone altar call ($15) , Iphone bop/faint($25) , IPhone tongues($20), Iphone dunking ($100), Iphone Bible Study ($25/session) ... save the receipts so that when you die you can prove you GAVE .. That is your admission ticket so to speak. Well there is no reason why something likke this cannot be worked out for pagans and other non-Christians. They could also sell a "Barbie and Ken goes-to-heaven" set for the narcissists. and also put each item in separate little boxes for the obsessive-compulsive. (There is something here for everybody) (How about a virtual papal balcony??).

    February 23, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Virtual confession? There's already an app for that: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/confession-a-roman-catholic/id416019676?mt=8

      February 23, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • William Demuth

      I draw the line at the I-Briss!

      February 23, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Being a Mohel is a great job!
      You get four skins a week and the opportunity to get ahead.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      you folks need an iphone-analyst (bring your own couch) so you can press the icon and it says "um-yes, go on..." and it charges you $185 an hour ... Like Jack said "you can't handle the truth.."

      February 23, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  8. jimtanker

    @ Robert Brown,

    Dont you know that you're not supposed to care about non-believers. Your own book says it:

    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

    Not to mention if you are of a different religoin or an apostate you should be kiIIed as well. What an evil religoin.

    February 23, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • William Demuth

      Now you went and ruined it.

      Santorum was gonna use that quote to justify war with Iran.

      Well, no biggie really because for those who have an agenda of hate and war, there are many more to choose from.

      Next question of the day:

      What Bible quote would be most effective in getting Jeebus freaks to sign up for our next war?

      February 23, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Some of that Old Testament stuff is pretty rough. Under the law (Old Testament covenant), the consequences for sin or payment for sin required a blood sacrifice. Either a designated animal or the sinner, as the case may be. Under the new covenant brought about by the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, his blood paid it all. It pays for the sin today, yesterday, and forever for the believer. For example, adultery was a sin punishable by death, but Jesus told the people if you look at a woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery. The point is that the flesh is sinful by nature whether in thought or deed. No one is good. We all need forgiveness.

      February 23, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • jimtanker

      How did I know that you were going to come up with that old one RB? Must be psychic.

      So now the old testament doesn’t count anymore? Is that what you’re saying?

      February 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
  9. ???

    To William Demuth

    What would you call a grown man (50+ years in age if you have grown children) who sits on a belief blog everyday making mama jokes and posting hateful messages about religion? I'd call them a huge loser.

    February 23, 2012 at 11:02 am |
    • William Demuth

      Just call me daddy!

      February 23, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • BRC

      Depends, were they good "Your Mama" jokes? If they were then I would call him funny, if not, I would call him misguided, adn say stick to topical posts.

      Fortunately for William, some of his are pretty good.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Matthew 5:22 ... and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell." See you there buddy.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • William Demuth

      I offer substance for those who seek it, and cheap shots for those who want to sling mud.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      In case there was any confusion, Will, I was telling ??? I'd see him in Hell.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Robert Brown

      The truth is that most Christians care about nonbelievers. Respectful debate about any subject is a good way to learn. Sow with kindness.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:16 am |
    • William Demuth



      I can't do hell, but I could do Newark!

      Same thing really, cause you hear Whitney Houston music all day long in both places.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      I went to Jersey once. The whole no left turns kinda freaked me out.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:20 am |
  10. William Demuth

    Let me offer a counter to our name shifting zealot du jour.

    Why do so many people claim to be Christian publicly, when they privately admit they know its all nonesense?

    I have met hundreds, and possibly thousands of supposedly Christian people who always say basicly the same thing.

    I wish I had the courage to speak up, but my family would kill me.

    February 23, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Brad

      I suppose a lot of people choose to subordinate intellectual honesty to just getting along. Some would call it tact.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • William Demuth

      You are correct.

      Alas there is a price to pay for remaining silent.

      That is why some of us speak louder than most Christians like.

      We do it to give voice to those who are too afraid to speak up.

      Afraid of losing their job, or getting bad grades, or getting assaulted or even killed

      February 23, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Haha

      Wow William, you're like the modern day MLK......you're such a hero and so brave LMAO. Continue in your self delusions.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • William Demuth


      So let me guess, your a WHITE Christian? You love your cross to be in flames?

      Double bigot points for the day!

      February 23, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  11. Ouch

    Atheists are lost in their own pride, arrogance, and selfishness. I'm not surprised they believe what they do, it's the perfect belief for anyone who wants to go through life doing as they please without regard to others and its perfect for not feeling remorse.

    EVERY atheist I've known in real life has been a piece of shlt selfish degenerate. Knowing their personality I can almost guarantee that they're an atheist.

    February 23, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • William Demuth

      Such an angry little man

      Let me guess, you have mommy issues?

      Or did your preacher bugger you?

      February 23, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      Oh sure, I can see how that argument will persuade many and influence thousands. (That is WHY there are atheists. ) That together with "magic" shows.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      You need to get out more.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Ouch contains the circu-mstantial ad hominem fallacy and concludes with the common fallacy of Affirming the Consequent.


      February 23, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Ouch

      @fallacy spotting

      Your post in and of itself contains the ad hominem fallacy.....haha see how dumb you look? You can point to any post and claim some sort of fallacy, hahahah what a loser you are.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      Obviously, you do not know what an ad hominem fallacy is.
      So sad, too bad.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Sometimes I wonder if Christians actually believe God is watching them all of the time. Because that would include while you typed and posted. Do you think God is going to look upon this message board and say "Good work Ouch."?

      February 23, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Of course its prideful to consider oneself to be cosmically insignificant. It's not prideful or self-centered in the least to think that the creator of the universe loves you, cares about you, does things for you, and talks to you daily.

      Good call.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:43 am |
    • boocat

      You missed the whole point. ATHEISTS BELIEVE IN NOTHING. Now take your arrogance and your "christianity" and stick them both where the sun doesn't shine.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
  12. ???

    Why is the belief blog overrun by atheists?

    I'll tell you why; because atheists aren't confident in their belief and need to try and act powerful and condescending so they can feel as if they're right. The fact that they stick around here everyday posting ignorant shlt proves that point. You all have a sad life and I pity you, must be so empty and lonely.

    February 23, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • William Demuth

      Nah, when I get bored I shag your mama

      February 23, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • ???


      you talk of how you have grown children and yet you still make your mama jokes? Thanks for further proving my point....so sad really.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • William Demuth

      Good chance I am your father!

      February 23, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • hippypoet

      that was a bit judgemental...umm, ...oops, you just sinned! your going to hell!


      🙂 enjoy it!

      February 23, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      It is apparently important to atheists to crusade against religion. They spend a lot of energy (and apparently money) on that. I do not spend much time on ANY time on that - or Kermit or Elmo... Star Wars (or Star Trek). (many "Trekkie's" - what is that reality??) Hard to understand how atheists claim NOT to believe something and then spend so much time, money and energy on reacting to it.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • ???


      What would you call a grown man (50+ years in age if you have grown children) who sits on a belief blog everyday making mama jokes and posting hateful messages about religion? I'd call them a huge loser.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Christians never go to the lightyears blog to debate evolution.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • I'm The Best!


      That is why many of us do what we do. We're here to try and show all the religious idio.ts what a free coun.try really is.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Root post by ??? contains the circu-mstantial ad hominem fallacy and the False Cause fallacy.


      February 23, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • What IF


      Many non-believers come here to find out first hand what Christians (and others) believe and to discuss & debate with them. This way, they cannot be accused of making up straw men to dismantle - beliefs straight from the horse's mouth, as it were. Christian web sites generally do not allow dissenting posts, and delete them and even ban the posters.

      Sure, some posters are snarky (on all sides); but there have been, and are, some great discussions here.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  13. jimtanker

    religion is for weak minded, i hate anything that tries to control you. i dropped out of school because of those teachers trying to brain wash me. i told them i dont need it and i proved them write by walking right out the door. now thats intelligence!

    February 23, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • William Demuth

      Non Sequitor.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      "proved them WRITE" ? Now that's not intelligent.
      So sad, too bad.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • jimtanker

      Anybody can tell by the grammar alone, let alone content, that this wasn’t me.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • line judge

      If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it might just be a duck

      February 23, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
  14. Seriously

    Wow I'm amazed at how many absolute ignorant morons post comments. Here's an idea to all you losers who post everyday; Stop posting your ignorant, opinionated shlt and go out and do some real research. I've never run across so many abosolute morons who claim to be so smart in my entire life.

    It's kind of depressing that you people actually think you're somewhat smart when it's quite clear that you have the apt.itude of a 10 year old.

    February 23, 2012 at 9:56 am |
    • William Demuth

      Christian I assume?


      February 23, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • A Little Help


      February 23, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      Speaking of non-researched opinionated shlt, not one argument there we see, just a general "ad hominem".
      So sad, too bad.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • jimtanker

      @ Seriously,

      I know, those Xtians can be so condescending.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • RightTurnClyde

      unfortunately priests and preachers employ so much foolishness (hocus-pocus) that it feeds the atheists. Ash Wednesday, holy water, candles, medallions, beads, statutes, icons .. Protestants too - lots of stage shows bopping people on the head (and they faint). So they feed the atheist because it really is dopey. They do that because priests and preachers do not understand Christianity. (isn't THAT a shame?) They get false teachings from their superiors and professors and THAT becomes what they believe. It is not Christianity - it is hocus-pocus and stupid.

      February 23, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Pot, or kettle?

      I think if someone was trying to define a hypocritical statement, the original post would have it covered.

      February 23, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Seriously

      @pot, kettle

      Please explain how that post was hypocritical. I said that people on here are ignorant and need to stop spouting their BS and instead go do real research to reach conclusions. I made no stance or opinion regarding religion or my beliefs. Seems you could use my advice.

      February 23, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • Pot, or kettle?

      "Stop posting your ignorant, opinionated shlt"

      "It's kind of depressing that you people actually think you're somewhat smart when it's quite clear that you have the apt.itude of a 10 year old."

      Please take your own advice and spare the rest of us.

      February 23, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Seriously


      You never addressed my question, what a surprise. Maybe you'd now like to go ahead and post my ad hominem fallacy since you're the same ignorant person. Funny how you point out all these fallacies for only one side, never once have I seen you point out the obvious fallacies by people on your side......yea that's not bias at all.

      February 23, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Pot, or kettle?

      I'm not @Fallacy Spotting. I just have a distaste for smug hypocrites.

      February 23, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • boocat

      Takes a moron to know a moron.....and you, know doubt, know them all. And which "christian" religion are you affiliated with?

      February 23, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
  15. Brad

    From the quote of the day – is it right and natural to use violence to discipline children? Perhaps I'm just lucky, but my kids have responded well to rewards and punishments based on privileges – that plus being treated as human beings with dignity. Children should learn about violence and how to deal with it, but not from violent parents. Here's an observation, too: if these people are debating over what the best objects are to strike children with, they've gone beyond violent discipline into an area of seriously evil pathology.

    February 23, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • William Demuth


      we rarely agree, but you are spot on. I have two of my own, and have helped raise many, and I have NEVER raised my hand to a child.

      (and to those who question, my daughter shall soon have her masters in a combined science discipline and my son has a 97.9 average and has maxed out his public service hours with the Key Club.

      February 23, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • hippypoet

      i completely agree... i may yell at times, but i never strike my kids... i was raised in a home where the backhand was king, i rose above but i always said i would never lay a hand on my children in anger!

      February 23, 2012 at 9:54 am |
  16. William Demuth

    Two more American boy soldiers were killed today by a branch of the cult of Abraham.

    Now our President has apologized for insulting Muslim sensibilities.

    The question of the day.

    Why don't we just kill them all?

    February 23, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • jimtanker

      Hi WD,

      I would rather they just kiII themselves. Costs the US taxpayer less money.

      February 23, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Observer

      "Why don't we just kill them all?" William, why do you want to bring people along with you? What's this "we" stuff? Show us the way. Do something that will make a difference.

      February 23, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • William Demuth


      I do. I encourage thiests to slaughter each other.

      Divide and conquer. Its a time tested method.

      Support the most radical elements on both sides, and let nature run its course.

      February 23, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • boocat

      Why don't you enlist and haul your ass over there and kill some yourself?

      February 23, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  17. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    It gives false hope.

    February 23, 2012 at 8:52 am |
  18. Romans 8

    31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

    “For your sake we face death all day long;
    we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

    37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    February 23, 2012 at 7:39 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      Jesus never claimed to be the "christ".
      If god *had* to sacrifice his son to appease himself, according to some "angry gods" paradigm,
      then he was not in control of the paradigm, and could not have been it's creator.
      So sad, too bad.

      February 23, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • just sayin

      Romans 8 is quoting scripture. The"bad" and the "sad" is you, you lack wisdom and understanding.

      February 23, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • William Demuth

      just sayin

      Now you claim wisdom?

      February 23, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • just sayin

      Try reading the comment before your reply willie and you will look ever so much more brighter. (...lack wisdom...)

      February 23, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • William Demuth

      just sayin

      Did you get out of eight grade?

      You imply the poster lacked wisdom that YOU imply YOU have.

      The arrogance of the indoctrinated.

      February 23, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      (Matthew 5:22) – ... and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

      February 23, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      "Scripture" is simply "that which is written". Just because some human wrote something does not endow it with any authority. (There were thousands of "scriptues" which are no longer part of YOUR "scripture"). If you ever bothered to examine the process, you could not possibly take it seriously. And of course Matthew says that. What did you think it was going to say ?

      February 23, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      woops, so sad, too bad.

      February 23, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • So sad, too bad ...

      BTW, speaking of "going" into the fiery anything, (or "going" to heaven), .. please explain how in a spiritual realm, with NO space, and NO time, you can *GO* anywhere, or have the *TIME* to get there ?
      So sad, too bad.

      February 23, 2012 at 9:30 am |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 23, 2012 at 5:51 am |
    • boocat

      Excuse me....the correct quote is "War is not healthy for children and other living things." Religion is the cause of all of these wars and fighting. I submit to you that "Religion is not healthy for children and other living things."

      February 23, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  20. Just Another Day

    New day, same old insanity of religion dividing people from each other, dividing people from grasping the real world as it is. Division.

    More stories showing how crazy religion is, more religious posters rabidly defending the insanity as a special kind of truth that only they can see.

    Another day of religious people refusing to notice that there is no evidence anywhere in the known universe even hinting that what they believe is true.

    Another day of religion marring the world for no other reason than that religious people believe in something that just is not there.

    Another day of religious people killing, oppressing, being intolerant, being political bullies, and doing barely the slightest good for the world.

    February 23, 2012 at 4:52 am |
    • William Demuth

      Another day of religious nuts killing our boy soldiers in Afghanistan over some ridiculous book.

      February 23, 2012 at 8:49 am |
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