My Take: Stop sugarcoating the Bible
The 17th century painting Judith Beheading Holofernes, by Artemisia Gentileschi, depicts a biblical scene.
February 25th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

My Take: Stop sugarcoating the Bible

Editor's note: Steven James is the author of more than 30 books, including "Flirting with the Forbidden," which explores forgiveness.

By Steven James, Special to CNN

(CNN) - The Bible is a gritty book. Very raw. Very real. It deals with people just like us, just as needy and screwed up as we are, encountering a God who would rather die than spend eternity without them.

Yet despite that, it seems like Christians are uncomfortable with how earthy the Bible really is. They feel the need to tidy up God.

For example, look in any modern translation of Isaiah 64:6, and you’ll find that, to a holy God, even our most righteous acts are like “filthy rags.” The original language doesn’t say “filthy rags”; it says “menstrual rags.” But that sounds a little too crass, so let’s just call them filthy instead.

And let’s not talk so much about Jesus being naked on the cross, and let’s pretend Paul said that he considered his good deeds “a pile of garbage” in Philippians 3:8 rather than a pile of crap, as the Greek would more accurately be translated.

And let’s definitely not mention the six times in the Old Testament that the Jewish writers referred to Gentile men as those who “pisseth against the wall.” (At least the King James Version got that one right.)

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The point?

God’s message was not meant to be run through some arbitrary, holier-than-thou politeness filter. He intended the Bible to speak to people where they’re at, caught up in the stark reality of life on a fractured planet.

Dozens of Psalms are complaints and heart-wrenching cries of despair to God, not holy-sounding, reverently worded soliloquies. Take Psalm 77:1-3: “I cry out to God; yes, I shout. Oh, that God would listen to me! When I was in deep trouble, I searched for the Lord. All night long I prayed, with hands lifted toward heaven, but my soul was not comforted. I think of God, and I moan, overwhelmed with longing for his help” (New Living Translation).

And rather than shy away from difficult and painful topics, the Old Testament includes vivid descriptions of murder, cannibalism, witchcraft, dismemberment, torture, rape, idolatry, erotic sex and animal sacrifice. According to St. Paul, those stories were written as examples and warnings for us (1 Corinthians 10:11). So obviously they were meant to be retold without editing out all the things we don’t consider nice or agreeable.

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I believe that Scripture includes such graphic material to show how far we, as a race, have fallen and how far God was willing to come to rescue us from ourselves.

God is much more interested in honesty than pietism.

And that’s what he gives us throughout Scripture, telling the stories of people who struggled with the same issues, questions and temptations we face today.

Peter struggled with doubt, and we hear all about it.

Elijah dealt with depression; Naomi raged with bitterness against God; Hannah struggled for years under the burden of her unanswered prayers.

David had an affair and then arranged to have his lover’s husband killed. Noah was a drunk, Abraham a liar, Moses a murderer. Job came to a place where he found it necessary to make a covenant with his eyes not to lust after young girls (Job 31:1).

It’s easy to make “Bible heroes” (as Protestants might say) or “saints” (as Catholics might refer to them) out to be bigger than life, immune from the temptations that everyone faces.

I find it encouraging that Jesus never came across as pietistic. In fact, he was never accused of being too religious; instead he partied so much that he was accused of being a drunkard and a glutton (Matthew 11:19).

Jesus never said, “The Kingdom of God is like a church service that goes on and on forever and never ends.” He said the kingdom was like a homecoming celebration, a wedding, a party, a feast to which all are invited.

This idea was too radical for the religious leaders of his day. They were more concerned about etiquette, manners, traditions and religious rituals than about partying with Jesus. And that’s why they missed out.

That’s why we miss out.

According to Jesus, the truly spiritual life is one marked by freedom rather than compulsion (John 8:36), love rather than ritual (Mark 12:30-33) and peace rather than guilt (John 14:27). Jesus saves us from the dry, dusty duties of religion and frees us to cut loose and celebrate.

I don’t believe we’ll ever recognize our need for the light until we’ve seen the depth of the darkness. So God wasn’t afraid to get down and dirty with us about life and temptation and forgiveness. And grace.

Only when the Bible seems relevant to us (which it is), only when the characters seem real to us (which they were), only then will the message of redemption become personal for us (which it was always meant to be).

We don’t need to edit God. We need to let him be the author of our new lives.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Steven James.

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  1. Duane

    Very well written article, the truth should be out there and it should be brutal.

    February 27, 2012 at 9:51 am |
  2. Anon

    If you want reduce Christianity to mythology status, go to the source.

    February 27, 2012 at 9:47 am |
  3. aubrie

    I think we could apply this same take on "tidying up the bible" to the RIDICULOUS and way overused practice of "political correctness"... for goodness sake. Put on your big boy boxers and big girl panties and accept reality.. Call a spade a spade. Grow up and deal with it... I'm sick to death of it... and we can go one step further by STOP rewriting history in our student textbooks!!!!!!! Just because it's raw and uncomfortable for you, rewriting it or omitting the "uncomfortable" doesn't do anyone any favors.

    February 27, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • Bart

      Just because you are too socially lazy or you don't posess the empathy to recognize that levying racial epithets that have roots in ideaologies that our society has soundly rejected doesn't mean the rest of society needs to sink to your level.

      NOT being politically correct is linguistically tantamount to just walking around naked because you think everyone should get over your nakedness. You are presumably not posting your drivle from a nudist colony or prison meaning that you've somehow managed to grasp that clothing yourself is not only socially responsible, but considerate.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • Trace

      "Stop sugarcoating the Bible", correct. Also stop taking Gods name, Jehovah, Psalm 83:18, out of the bible. And sorry, your explanation on Jesus, ref Matthew 11:19, is still incorrect. Not a matter of sugarcoating, just not correct. And is not a matter of your take/my take, see 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.

      February 27, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • alittlebird

      aubrie – I completely agree, though I can sympathize with what words are taught to specific age groups because of a lack of follow-through education from lackluster parents.
      Bart – "stooping" to her level? So, you see yourself as above what actually happened in history? It's nobody's level, it's facts. Learn to spell and stop being such a prude.

      February 27, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  4. Religion is not healthy for the Individual or Society

    Prayer is playing make believe.

    February 27, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • James

      Why is it when we talk to God we're praying - but when God talks to us, we're schizophrenic?

      –Lily Tomlin

      February 27, 2012 at 10:02 am |
  5. Nina has a very tight anus so be sure to put butter flavored crisco on her buttPlug before inserting

    Afghanistan...KILL EM ALL!!

    February 27, 2012 at 8:09 am |
  6. Reality

    For those who are reading challenged: (from a PowerPoint slide)



    Added details upon request.

    February 27, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • .....

      Hit report abuse on all reality posts additional information available on request

      February 27, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • Drew

      Good to see someone gets it.

      Rather than not sugarcoating it, how about everybody just stop thinking of it as anything other than a bizarre, sadistic and self contradictory collection of bronze age literature.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Proof?

      Can you provide proper citations and supporting proofs of those facts you mentioned?

      February 27, 2012 at 10:02 am |
  7. Nii Croffie

    Just go over to the MIT website and read on civil engineering. It is a multidisciplinary degree. If u knew what we study u will stop bothering me with ur ignorance and misinformation. We do use Math, Physics, Biology, Sociology, Geography, etc.

    February 27, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • Lurnin2Sppel

      Is MIT where you learned to spell 'u' and 'ur'?

      February 27, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Too bad, no Logic, or Philosophy.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:25 am |
  8. JohnQuest

    Nii Croffie, you seem well read, explain where the name of God (El) came from, could it have been the name of the Canaanites Pagan God? If so, what else has "transformed" from Paganism, your idea of Jesus perhaps?

    February 27, 2012 at 7:28 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Could it? Could it not?

      February 27, 2012 at 7:44 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Go back a page or two, and watch the short vid on Monolatrist polytheism. It tells you where that term came from, and what it meant.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:58 am |
  9. Dumb and dumber

    It's the 21st Century. Stop referencing a 2000 year old set of texts compiled by humans who did not even know about bacteria. Who cares what the say ? Time to grow up, and find some new books. Sheesh.

    February 27, 2012 at 7:18 am |
    • Uncouth Swain

      And knowing about bacteria makes you a better person spiritually? Forgive me if I think differently on that.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Obviously the POINT has NOTHING to do with bacteria.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Yet this same text described that the Earth was without form...just a blob in space. It also came closer to describing evolution that many Atheist feel is comfortable. 🙂

      February 27, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • marko

      @dumb and dumber
      By that logic we should stop eating bread. It's such an old and outdated food!

      Protip: just because it's ancient doesn't make it irrelevant.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • JohnR

      Evolution in the bible? That's a good one! Lots of primitive people have some version of the "great chain of being" that looks sorta like some popular misconceptions about evolution. That's the genre to which genesis belongs.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • JohnR

      @marko By YOUR logic, an old manual on the Ford Model A should be a swell way to learn how to repair an 2012 Audi R*.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  10. reason

    God commanded his followers to murder people of other faiths and non-believers in Deuteronomy 13:5-15. The primary difference with Islam is they have more adherents taking the Quran seriously. Modern theology has watered the Bible down to be compatible with Western society.

    February 27, 2012 at 7:03 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Yes, the old covenant. As a Christian, Jesus acknowledged the old law .... but then challenged each of his followers that any of us who had not sin could carry out such punishments.

      You might want to take your argument up with the our Jewish brothers and sisters...

      February 27, 2012 at 9:35 am |
  11. Elizabeth Prata

    There are several issues and problems with the way Jesus is presented in Mr James's piece. If you care to read, I responded to some of the things Mr James had written in his piece, here: "Response to CNN Belief Blog essay "Stop sugarcoating the bible" http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/02/response-to-cnn-belief-blog-essay-stop.html

    February 27, 2012 at 6:31 am |
  12. PGURU

    it is your opinion, fine ,keep it with you. Please do not send a wrong message about christianity. i pray that you get wisdom. may god bless you

    February 27, 2012 at 5:33 am |
    • sam stone

      it is his job to convey his opinions.

      how is he sending out the wrong message about christianity?

      February 27, 2012 at 5:50 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      It beats my imagination too.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:57 am |
    • Bart

      Speaking of keeping opinions to yourself, see your above recommendation in relation to christian prosletizing to those who have no interest in your angry desert god.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:48 am |
  13. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    February 27, 2012 at 5:00 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Hopefully it does more than this being posted for the 10,000th time. This is getting almost as repet.itive as the bible.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:46 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      This is just as annoying as Reality's nonstop repeat posts.

      February 27, 2012 at 6:00 am |
    • Prayer changes things

      Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      February 27, 2012 at 7:47 am |
    • just sayin

      The difference between the encouragement to prayer and reality posts is that the prayer posts are the Truth.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:52 am |
    • Primewonk

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      February 27, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • think for yourself

      Think for a second and use your common sense. Prayer is nothing more than talking to yourself. Capitalizing "Truth" doesn't change that.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • just sayin

      Truth Wonderful Truth

      February 27, 2012 at 8:42 am |
  14. Mark

    Sorry. OK, stopped reading after the first sentence. God may have loved the earth much, but until a distinction is made from God to Son of God, i cannot read any further. Just as I cannot infer the belief of trinity as it is not a biblical teaching or nothing written of in the bible, rather invented by early catholics. The earth being a tiny insignificant speck of dust is so insignificant in the vastness of the universe that it is impossible for a serious person to believe that God himself actually died and allowed himself to somehow be killed here by even more insignificant human beings. I am christian, however definitely NOT a catholic christian, with their mixed up false teachings and outright lies. The purpose of Jesus himself coming and dieing on earth was as a sacrifice FOR God, so that God would be able to forgive people's sins, because no one else could've done it, since only Adam was perfect before Jesus, however he died in sin. SO, how would God sacrifice HIMSELF to HIMSELF? Instead God used his heavenly Son to be born perfect in a human form and hence the Son of God, NOT GOD. Very clear and simple, no need to invent lies and confusion, while sounding like you are confused yourselves.

    February 27, 2012 at 4:51 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Explain Isaiah 9:1-7. then tell me how a son is not like his father when he grows up. I will also have u know that Elohim(compound/plural) not Eli(singular) is used in Genesis 1 where the Spirit of God broods over the Earth. Trinity is a definition not a formular.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:33 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Also tell me why in John10 the Jews said they wanted to stone Jesus for calling Himself God. He had not but had used the term Son of God.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:37 am |
    • MarkinFL

      Ask Ted Bundy's father?

      February 27, 2012 at 5:47 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Who is that??? If u have nothing don't say nothing!

      February 27, 2012 at 6:01 am |
    • JohnQuest

      Nii Croffie, is it Possible God could have been talking about himself and other Gods? Jews at the time were Polytheistic, I'm just saying, is it possible when they wrote about God in Genesis, could they have inferred their Polytheistic world view into the story?

      February 27, 2012 at 7:18 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Nii, before anyone wastes their time explaining that nonsense, explain how "eternally begotten" happens/happened in a dimension without space-time, or how "existence" happens without space-time.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:21 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Also de fact that u r substi.tuting Monsignor Pierre Lemaitre's name 4 a certain Hawkins points 2 de fact that either ur source is biased or u r biased. We scientists r brutal in our application of truth. Atheism is amoral based on Skepticism but science is a moral pursuit based on childlike faith.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:22 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Subst.ituting Monsignor Pierre Lemaitre's name 4 Hawkins makes ur alleged source biased or u r biased. I know u certainly are but I shudder to think if the site is misinforming ppl. Civil Engineers r scientists 2o. If u think only research scientists in de 3 pure Natural Sciences r, then u r wrong.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:31 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Way better to be a skeptic than a person who accepts things on faith. At least skepticism is honest! As for Hawking...he certainly has had a hand in the Big Bang theory.
      "Atheism is amoral based on Skepticism but science is a moral pursuit based on childlike faith."

      What is so amoral about not believing in the unknown? At least we're not lying to children or anyone else.
      As for the science portion of that statement...did you not claim to be a scientist? So you are admitting to being child-like...wow, you contradict yourself too often.
      Science is based on physical evidence, not faith idiot!!! Faith is believing without evidence. Thus faith and science are in contradiction to one another. Your ignorance is astounding.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:43 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      If you are speaking to me, I think for myself. I noticed that you refuted not one point.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Canadian there is a reason why atheism is studied in theological schools rather than science schools. It is a religion not a science. DON'T DECIEVE YOURSELF!

      February 27, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      DUMBEST. Don't u know tht sometimes replies stray? Your question as to how eternal came to exist is not hard to answer at all! Read a Bible.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • Mirosal

      Nii .. Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color .. like NOT collecting stamps is a hobby. Bill Maher said it best though. "Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a se'x position".

      February 27, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Atheism is not a religion! A religion is defined as a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
      We simply dismiss the supernatural.
      We accept science but it doesn't define us.
      Only christards believe atheism is a religion but yet no governing body has ever declared it as such.
      Keep showing your ignorance Nii...you're not proving anything!

      February 27, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Nii Nii,
      The humans who wrote the babble had no clue about Relativity, and space-time. I asked you to explain how the term "eternal" makes sense in a dimension without time. Obviously you cannot. Aren't you overdue for shooting your TV show in Atlanta ?

      February 27, 2012 at 9:00 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      IF THEY HAD NO CLUE SO WHAT? They had enough sense to accomodate the Big Bang Theory. Copernicus had no idea of the Law of Gravity. Oh and Isambard Kingdom Brunel didn't either but that didn't make him stupid, did it? Moses built a Tabernacle based on brain functions. Did he know it I don't know!

      February 27, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Psychology, Psychaitry n Psychoanalyses prove de Bible. The Bible says we r emotional creatures. Psychaitry concurs. The Bible defines humans as consisting of complex interactions within them Psychology concurs. Psychoanalyses says we r social, moral n individualistic as well. Bible says yes we r.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      "Psychology, Psychaitry n Psychoanalyses " prove nothing, except that there are no souls, and it's all dependent on brain CHEMISTRY. How can you "prove" a set of myths ? Obviously you have no training in scripture or Ancient Near Eastern languages, or literature. You don't "prove" mythology. It may be "authentic", but that's a completely different matter.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:33 am |
    • Nii Croffie


      February 27, 2012 at 11:16 am |
  15. Beth

    Rather then a debate on If there is in fact , a great Creator, what I take from this article is the refreshing idea of authenticity vs 'sugarcoating'. Not much more to say except I really enjoyed the premise, and enjoyed reading the article, Thanks!

    February 27, 2012 at 4:47 am |
  16. Nii Croffie

    De entire universe including de supposed dark empty spaces r now classified as matter or (anti-)matter. God is neither. No physical laws govern Him. It is therefore possible for him 2 do it since time, space n matter r most probably from somewhere else. Either de Universe is self-existent or He IS.

    February 27, 2012 at 4:33 am |
    • MarkinFL

      I believe in the universe.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:48 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Hindus and Bhuddhists do too.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:55 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      That's the "argument from special circ'umstances" fallacy. And BTW, god is a "she".

      February 27, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Yes god must be a she in ur dictionary because it doesn't have goddess in it!

      February 27, 2012 at 9:24 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      So yr god IS a male. Alrighty then.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:42 am |
  17. Just Me

    He says, Your faith has redeemed you now go and "sin no more"..... That is the part many forget.

    February 27, 2012 at 4:32 am |
  18. atheism is the most the sweetest word used as sugar coating

    Instead of using the originanl word "SATANISM".

    February 27, 2012 at 4:23 am |
    • MarkinFL

      So Satanism does not mean worshiping Satan? It simply means not believing in the fairy tale of Satan, etc? OK fine. Now I'm feeling all Satanic.
      Devils are red,
      Violets are blue,
      Its all just as well,
      since I'm going to heck! <---- Satanic Verse

      February 27, 2012 at 6:00 am |
  19. big ron

    Proving the big bang theory won't stop people that believe the bible.They 'll say God lit the fuse!

    February 27, 2012 at 3:47 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Probably because Einstein, Hubble and Lemaitre the originators of the Big Bang theory were a Deist Jew, Christian and Roman Catholic priest. Also Gen 1:1 says God created the heavens n the earth. v2 starts with God on earth contemplating b4 He starts arranging the Earth for life n creating life.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: You are partially wrong in who originated the Big Bang Theory...Lemaitre had little to do with it. "People who have tried to uncover the mysteries of the universe's development include such famous scientists as Albert Einstein, Edwin Hubble and Stephen Hawking" (this comes from http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/big-bang-theory.htm far more reliable than you). Einstein was agnostic with humanist views. Hubble never really defined a belief in anything. Hawking we all know is Atheist.
      It does not matter what you may think when it comes to the creation of the earth...the story told is in contradiction to the Big Bang. The buybull when interpreted in proper context puts the age of the earth at around 6000 years. We know this is not the case given that they (science) are able to firmly state within a less than 2% accuracy rate that the earth is actually 4.5-4.6 billion years old.
      People like to claim god did it because they can't admit that no-one knows and so they need something to fill the unknown (god of the gaps fallacy).
      You need to leave the science to those who know it and go back to your seminary classes. Science is for adults, seminary along with its story telling, is for children.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:57 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Why is it that u always quote 1 of your atheist sites? Einstein was a Deist. Hubble was Christian and Lemaitre was a Roman Catholic priest. Einstein wrote the static universe equation. Lemaitre refined it 2 define a dynamic universe n Hubble confirmed Lemaitre's Big Bang theory. I'm a scientist.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:17 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Explain Isaiah 9. and His name shall be wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Elohim used in Genesis 1 is a compound of Eli also. Explain that too. Explain Isaiah 58 too.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:25 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: Asking why I always quote an Atheist site (when it isn't one) is like asking why you always quote the buybull and you are still wrong!!! I gave a site based on realistic facts, you give information from a book written over the course of 400 some off years by men who never met one another. Science is not solely something to do with Atheism. Hubble did not identify his belief and thus you can't make one up. Einstein was agnostic. Explaining anything in your book of fairy tales is a-tune to explaining Santa to a child...it doesn't make it real and given that I don't agree with the book you think is true, why exactly would anyone bother trying to explain it? You are not a scientist and should not try to claim it. If you were, you would have the intelligence enough to know that science.howstuffworks.com is not an Atheist site. I have been to your facebook page and it is very obvious that you know next to nothing about science!! Not one of the Atheists on here take you seriously because we all see the numerous contradictions in what you do say. You should stop pretending to know so much...all you end up doing is making yourself look even stupider than you already have proven to be.

      February 27, 2012 at 6:49 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Directly from Nii's facebook page...nowhere here does it state he is a scientist:
      About Nii Civil Engineer, Writer, Anglican Lay Pastor and Aspiring Anglican Priest
      Interested in Men and women (had to include this in case he ever becomes hypocritical of ho.mo.se.xuals)

      We know this guy is a liar and uneducated. If he knew anything he would know that the site I quoted from is true facts based on actual science and not the pseudo christian science he believes in.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:00 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      The beauty of being a spiritual christian rather than a religious Christian(note the capitals) is that I am quite near an embodiment of the Bible. I am a scientist and so that is beyond challenge. You know from my account that I am a minister too. I cud b talking 2 about twenty people using TP tho.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:05 am |
    • Mirosal

      I guess he's like any other priest wanna-be ... he likes to "preach" to boys as well as girls.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Nii: You're such a lying ass!! To even think you come close to being near an embodiment of a book of fairy tales is rather child-like!! You are not anything more than a pseudo christian scientist and thus your opinion on science merits no respect. The church teaches you nothing of the real world because they want to keep their flock stupid and you are a prime example of that!

      February 27, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthPrevails, again you purposely write misinterpretations of the Bible because you want to continue your tirade against Jesus’ truth written thousands of years ago. 2 Peter 3 is just as factual then as it is today. Because you refuse to admit that there are 3 earth ages and 3 heaven ages is not our problem. You own your ignorance of what Jesus had written in 2 Peter 3 as follows:

      2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in [both] which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

      2 Peter 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

      2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

      2 Peter 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

      2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

      2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

      2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

      2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

      2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

      2 Peter 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

      2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

      2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

      2 Peter 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

      2 Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

      2 Peter 3:16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

      2 Peter 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

      2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:15 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Mirosal: Nii is as fake as the book he believes in...such delusions are dangerous. Be happy he is 5,146.98 miles away from you..you don't need more pollution by delusional people in your country.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:16 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      HS: Quoting scripture from a book of crap is not proving anything!!! It is a book written by men to control men and those men who wrote it a) never met jesus or god and b) never met one another...not very accurate stories.
      I wrote nothing from your book of fairy tales and instead disputed Nii's claims that the book and science are in agreement. Your book has no place outside of your home and church. Keep it out of all things public-schools, government; medical care, science.
      When you provide solid evidence for your god, you will have a point but until then it is safe to as.sume you are wrong!

      February 27, 2012 at 7:22 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Btw: The only place you will find anything about 3 earth ages is on a christian site. The oldest age they give is 13000 years. Science has already trumped that and shown within a 2% accuracy that the age of the earth is in 4.5 billion years. Your buybull and pseudo science do not count in the real world. Why do you remain so ignorant? You say there are 3 heaven ages but yet heaven has never been proven to exist outside of your belief system...there is no physical evidence for it and until there is, it is as believable as any other fairy tale place.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:31 am |
    • Mirosal

      HS's little tirade is about letters written by a man who never met that dead jesus guy, yet the author claims to know everything about the zombie, and what 'god' wants. How much more of a propganda letter does Peter need to write? There will never be a second coming, because there never was a first coming to start with. I'm sure HS doesn't belive in Zeus or Apollo, so does that make him ungodly as well? Both HS and Nii think that a book whose origins will never be verified MUST be true because the book itself says it's true. That's lunacy. If I write a book and write that it's true, does that make it true? Not hardly. As far as Nii claiming to be an embodiment of that moldy book, I guess that makes Nii a moldy myth as well. I'm just wondering about Nii's career. Ghana isn't really known for its buildings, structures, or road systems, so what does he do as a civil engineer? My guess would be he isn't civil at all. Instead he wants to be an engineer on a train made from Legos.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:36 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      SUBSTI.TUTING Msg Pierre Lemaitre's name for Hawkins shows how biased u r. If u also don't know that Civil Engineers are scientists, who am I to blame? Your education or your religion? Insults and insinuations are for feeble minds.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:37 am |
    • Mirosal

      Civil engineering is more about the math than the science. And the science used would be physical science with the materials you'd use for the construction.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:42 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Mirosal: Read further up...he claims to be a scientist here but yet science is based on child-like faith...this guy is truly a con-artist and liar!!! A scientist he is not!

      February 27, 2012 at 7:45 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Wanting physical proof of Heaven? I know u r not going there! What scientist will be able 2 prove or disprove that. Look here agnosticism is much better for u as it is more scientific. Atheism is just plain unscientific. Claims 2 an age 4 de Earth by Evangelicals is like u n Big Bang. Ur version i.e

      February 27, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • just sayin

      The "proof" of heaven is the Holy Bible and the LORD Jesus Christ. All mankind needs and sufficient for the faithful.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:55 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      just sayin: you can't use the buybull as proof. There has to be physical evidence to support the claim and until there is, you have no proof!!

      February 27, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Nii Croffie
      Heaven is a location mentioned in a book, like Oz, Valhalla, and Middle Earth. Why aren't you defending the existence of these places too? Scientists can't find them either.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      just sayin
      And the "proof" of the LORD Jesus Christ is the Bible. Full circle. One thing depends on the other for validation. Hardly a convincing argument.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • just sayin

      Jesus of Nazareth is the physical proof. Accept Him or reject Him as you wish He is and is proven, by faith and by history and by the Bible. Am not familiar with the text you reference, but the Holy Bible is an existing text assembled in antiquity and a proven valid witness to the times it references.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      You can easily be a Christian and believe in the Big Bang. You just can't be a fundamentalist, evangelical Christian and do so, apparently.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • Mirosal

      You'd need to show us the records tha tprove your dead zombie guy jesus existed in the first place. So tell us, where else can we look, other than your moldy book, for evidence of his actual existence?

      February 27, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • just sayin

      You're going to need to have mommy proof read your posts before you send them. The wording,typing and grammar are so poor
      there really is no way to respond that you would be able to understand.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Laimetre wrote to the Pope, and told him to shut up, and stop embarrasing himself.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      just sayin
      Jesus of Nazareth is as much "physical proof" of God as Vlad the Impaler is physical proof of actual vampires, except that there actually is valid historical proof that Vlad lived. Faith in Christ is rooted in the Bible, which is just a book, written by men, and the historical, extra-biblical mentions of Jesus by people like Josephus aren't all that compelling. Josephus writes of Hercules as an actual, historical person as well. Clearly, historiography wasn't fully developed as a discipline yet.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • JohnR

      The general trajectory goes like this: Religious people mock and scream about scientific theories until they are all but universally accepted, at which point they change their story and claim it is consistent with the bible. Later on, some nimrod or other will claim that the bible was actually the first to assert the claims of the theory. Who knows how many cycles of this absurdist drama we will have to endure before religious idiots will learn the shut up about science?

      Nii, give it up. You're babbling.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:00 am |
  20. big ron

    Proving the big bang theory won't stop people that believe the bible.They 'll say say God lit the fuse!

    February 27, 2012 at 3:46 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Hawking is already arguing that there didn't have to be a god to light the fuse, so that loophole, like all the others, is rapidly closing.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • just sayin

      Hawking is not God and his opinion or argument is not proof of anything. He can be wrong if he wants to be. Only an idiot would follow a mere man when God has provided a better way.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:37 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Arguing based on what? Even if the Big Bang was a cyclic event. It will need a beginning.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      The "first cause" cannot "cause" a "beginning", if there is no time yet. (And if she did, she could not be the cause of the temporal dimension in which she exists).

      February 27, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      just sayin
      And God, or should I say the people who created him, isn't a physicist, so why should we trust what he/they say about a physicist's problem?

      February 27, 2012 at 9:47 am |
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