My Take: Stop supporting buffoonery in the pulpit
February 27th, 2012
12:52 PM ET

My Take: Stop supporting buffoonery in the pulpit

Editor’s Note: Rev. DeForest "Buster" Soaries is the senior pastor at First Baptist Church of Lincoln Gardens in Somerset, New Jersey. He is a former Secretary of State of New Jersey.

By Rev. DeForest B. Soaries Jr., Special to CNN

(CNN) – When I was a child, if a crime were committed, my grandmother would say, “I hope he wasn’t colored.” Her concern was that all African-Americans suffered whenever one of us was caught doing something wrong. In those days black people raised their children to abstain from behavior that would give credence to the stereotypes that society had used to characterize us and justify the injustices heaped upon us. And most of us embraced that ethic.

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  1. bigot

    "Godspeople: @CS: Okay. Negativity, evil, darkness, hate speech, bigotry, etc and so forth."

    Have you even read the bible????? Lets see; Mu...r..der, ra..pe, dis...cri...min...ation, war, persecution, sla...very, bea..tings are all main themes of that book and your religion. Talk about a double standard here. The bible is hardly as moral as people claim it is.

    February 28, 2012 at 7:50 am |
  2. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    February 28, 2012 at 6:27 am |
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      February 28, 2012 at 9:22 am |
  3. Joxer the Mighty

    Bishop Eddie Long is in my opinion the prime example of Christian corruption. He has built an empire for himself and I would be very happy if it crumbled on top of him.

    February 28, 2012 at 5:47 am |
  4. O.S. Bird

    I thought a buffon was a woodwind, kinda like a bassoon. What's wrong with a preacher playing a musical instrument?

    February 27, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Bird, here is the deal. They don't have enough time to wet their reeds because they are too busy buggering young boys or cheating on their wives, good Christians that they are.

      February 27, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
  5. The Central Scrutinizer

    This is for Bo. Punishment for dusting off the dumbest Christian argument in the books, "God has a plan for you".

    God's plan" is the way that Christians traditionally explain things like amputations, cancer, hurricanes and car accidents. For example, if a Christian dies a painful and tragic death because of cancer, she dies as part of God's plan. Her death has a purpose. God called her home for a reason. Even if something bad happens to a Christian, it is actually good because it is part of God's plan.

    You can see how pervasive "God's plan" is by looking in Christian inspirational literature. For example;

    Because God made you for a reason, he also decided when you would be born and how long you would live. He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

    There is also this:

    Regardless of the circ.u.mstances of your birth or who your parents are, God had a plan in creating you.

    Under this view of the universe, God plans everything.
    Take a moment and think about this, "He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death." Let's examine one simple implication of this statement. What this means is that God has pre-planned every abortion that has taken place on our planet.

    February 27, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Then typically the Christian will come back with, "but God gave us free will". Impossible according to your own beliefs! You can't have it both ways.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      If the concept of "God's plan" is true, you can first of all see that God wants us to be aborting children. Every single abortion is planned by God, so God must be doing it for a reason.

      Second, you can see that both the mother who requests the abortion and the doctor who performs it are blameless. Since it is God who planned the abortion of the child (God chose the "exact time" of the death, the mother and doctor are simply puppets who are fulfilling God's plan, are they not? What about all the Christians who are fighting against abortion? If abortion is part of God's plan, why are they fighting it? God is the all-powerful ruler of the universe, and his plan is for more than a million children a year to die in the United States through abortion

      If God's plan is true, then each one of those abortions was meticulously planned by God.

      If God does not intend for us to perform abortions, is it then wrong that God has a plan? If God has a plan, is he not the direct cause of every abortion? Simply think it through, and you will begin to see the problems in this proposition.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Think about Adolph Hit.ler. He was evil incarnate, and Hit.ler is well known for the atrocious things he did. What I would like you to do right now is to consider this statement: "Hit.ler is part of God's Plan." Think about this:

      He planned the days of your life in advance, choosing the exact time of your birth and death. The Bible says, "You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]

      God never does anything accidentally, and he never makes mistakes. He has a reason for everything he creates. Every plant and every animal was planned by God, and every person was designed with a purpose in mind.

      If God has a divine plan for each of us, then he had a divine plan for Hit.ler too. It is when you stop to think about it deeply that the contradictions hit you.

      Now let's imagine that you say a prayer in this sort of universe. What difference does it make? God has his plan, and that plan is running down its track like a freight train. If God has a plan, then everyone who died in the Holocaust died for a reason. They had to die, and each death had meaning. Therefore, Holocaust victims could pray all day, and they would still die. The idea of a "plan" makes the idea of a "prayer-answering relationship with God" a contradiction, doesn't it? Yet Christians seem to attach themselves to both ideas, despite the irresolvable problem the two ideas create.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Then the Christian says, but Central Scrutinizer, prayer works. I have a persoanal relationshep with Jesus. Prayer helps people.

      Impossible according to your own belief system! How could prayer possible produce anything if God has already planned everything??

      February 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Think about what God's plan means for you personally. If the plan happens to say that you will get hit by a bus tomorrow, or that terrorists will blow you up, or that you will be shot in the head four times, then that's what will happen. It would be the same with any disease. If you contract cancer this afternoon and die three months later, that is God's plan for you. Praying to cure the cancer is a waste. God plans for you to die, so you will die. He has pre-programmed the exact time of your death. There is nothing you can do to change the plan - no amount of prayer will help - because your death will have meaning and your death will cause side-effects that are also part of the plan.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Who will you marry? You actually have no choice in the matter. God has pre-planned your wedding in minute detail. "God knew that those two individuals [your parents] possessed exactly the right genetic makeup to create the custom 'you' that he had in mind. They had the DNA God wanted to make you." Therefore, your spouse was pre-chosen by God for you so that you would create the children who are a part of his plan. You also have no choice in the number of children you will have - God has pre-planned their births.

      In addition, this sort of universe means that Hit.ler is blameless. Hit.ler was not "evil," because Hit.ler had no free will at all. Hit.ler was simply an actor forced to play his role in God's plan. God planned for millions of people to die in the Holocaust - he planned their deaths in exact detail. Hit.ler had to kill those people. Hit.ler was God's puppet in making that those millions of deaths happen right on schedule.

      In the same way then, every murderer is blameless. Since God has planned each of our deaths in exact detail, murderers are actually essential to God's plan. Why do we punish them? We should be rewarding them for doing their God-planned duty. What if you get r.a.p.ed tomorrow and get pregnant? God did that because he planned the exact time of that child's birth and death. God actually pre-planned your r.a.p.e, and the rapist was God's puppet. Rather than hating the rapist, we should celebrate God's plan.

      Do you believe that murderers and rapists should be rewarded? Do you believe that Hit.ler was sent by God to kill millions of people in the Holocaust? Do you believe that God is the direct cause of every abortion on this planet? Do you believe that you have no choice in your spouse or the number of children you have? Probably not. But that is what you are saying when you state that Hit.ler or cancer or anything else is part of "God's plan."

      If you think about it as an intelligent person, you will realize that the statement "It is part of God's plan" is one of those meaningless palliatives. When you sit down and think it through using your common sense, the statement makes no sense. That lack of sense shows us how imaginary God is.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      But Central Scrutinizer you are going to hell if you don't repent......blah blah.....Jesus loves us......blah blah......you just don't understand the bible......blah blah...... *sigh*

      February 27, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • O.S. Bird

      Well said!

      February 27, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Bo

      Be patient, I'm going to try to answer you, but it will be somewhat long. I will answer it here.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:43 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      That's great Bo, but please try to mix in some actual verifiable FACTS to complement your mythology.

      February 27, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • Chad

      @The Central Scrutinizer "God's plan" is the way that Christians traditionally explain things like amputations, cancer, hurricanes and car accidents"
      =>We live in a fallen world, that's why there is disease and sickness. See Genesis 1

      Aligning free will with God knowing the outcome of your life in advance is very easy when you understand that God exists outside of time and space and has already seen the future and knows outcome of the decisions that you and I will make with our free will.

      What we do know is that "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified" Romans 8

      February 27, 2012 at 11:22 pm |
    • Observer

      Nice choice, Chad.

      February 27, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      1. The bible is not a dependable resource for facts. You must do better than that. Don’t even get me started on Genesis. Talk about ridiculous.

      2. How do you know that god lives outside of time? What is time? You know nothing yet you pretend that you do. There are no supernatural beings. If it exists, then it not supernatural and should be verifiable.

      3. What is God’s purpose again? And how would you know? And again, when you quote the bible you lose me. It was written by primitive, uneducated men in ancient times well after the fact. It is not a valid resource for anything factual except, in some cases, time and place.

      What are you some kind of peeking Tom? You have no opinions? You should pay attention; you might learn something that actually matters.

      And see, what did I say, the Christians come right out with the, "you don't understand the bible" defense, etc. Like clock work.

      February 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Proverbs 26:11

      February 27, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Who is the vomit reference directed at??

      February 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Bo

      I wonder if I can explain something in a short essay.

      Before this world was, there was rebellion in Heaven.
      God. I’m sure knew this would happen. God, in His love, created all His beings with the power of choice. God may know what choices His creatures may make, and He urges His creatures to make the right choices, but God does not prevent His creatures from making the wrong choices.
      Lucifer, the most honored of all the angels, decided that he wanted to be like God, in fact he wanted to be above God, and charged God with being unfair. I’m sure that God tried to persuade Lucifer to change his mind, but he would not, but rather he persuaded a third of the other angels to follow him. There was war in Heaven and Lucifer was expelled. Lucifer was cast down to earth.
      God then had to vindicate His name.
      God then created life on this planet. He made it perfect, and He created man and woman and placed them in a special garden made just for them. It was a pleasant place to live and everything was perfect. God also paced a certain tree that would serve as a test of man’s loyalty to Him. Man was also created with the power of choice. There was no reason for sin. Only with the permission of God was Satan allowed to tempt man. This was necessary so the whole universe could witness the destruction of, man, beast, and all nature that rebellion and sin could cause.
      Before this, God and Christ, had formulated a plan for the salvation and redemption of man. This plan was of incomprehensible love. Because man could in no way redeem himself, Christ would take his place. In doing so, Christ would have to take on the attributes of created man and He would retained the attributes of God, He would become God/man; He would confined Himself to a body of a man. Don't try to figure it out, this is a miracle of love and mystery that is incomprehensible to man. God is obsessed with the salvation of man.
      Man fell to the temptation of Satan.
      Now the stage was set and the plan of salvation began.
      At first there was a sacrificial system that would be symbolic, looking forward to the true sacrifice of Christ. In the meantime sin was allowed to generate to an unbelievable devastating level.
      Satan knew from the beginning what the plan of salvation was and set about with all sorts of devices and counterfeit gods in effort to turn man from God, in which he had a very measurable amount of success.
      As fore told and at the appointed time, Christ came [was born] as predicted, by the way of a miraculous birth. This was necessary so that he would be a God/man.
      As foretold and at the appointed time He was sacrificed [crucified] at hand of evil men.
      Stan did all he could to destroy Christ and prevent the resurrection of Christ, but he failed. So he has turned his attention to the church to destroy it and he has done a lot of damage, yet there is still a remnant of believers that are true worshipers of God.
      Satan has been allowed to wreck havoc in the world and in the church.
      Even though God has allowed Satan to do his evil work, He, God, is not to be blamed for the works of Satan. (It is so easy to blame God for the evil of Satan.)
      God has even allowed Satan to interfere and interrupt with His plans and work and also to torment His servants in various and heinous ways; it is not easy to be a Christian, yet this all a part of being a Christian.
      When the point comes that everyone who will accept Christ as their Savior has been reached then Christ will return.
      You would think that God would have allowed sin to fester until it self-destructed, but no, God loved His creatures too much to do that, they must be given the chance and choice for salvation.

      I think with atheists, that if something happens that can't be explained, it can't happen. (I don't know how they explain where the elements, gravity and energy came from to cause the “big bang”, but they insist on proof for the existence of God. So much for logic.)

      February 28, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Good(God's will)=Bad(Satan's will)
      Good(Satan's will)=Bad(God's will)
      unfortunately this is not supported by Genesis Ch.2
      Good(Man's will)=Bad(Man's will)
      Will u start loving your neighbor as yourself or just destroy yourself with hate. Your choice not His.

      February 28, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ bo
      I didn't read your whole essay but I did read the last paragraph about atheists. (to be fair, I didn't read any of scrutinizer's long posts). But elements and energy are both very well understood and explained using experimental physics. Gravity on the other hand is explained with theoretical physics and may be proved to be experimentally true soon at CERN. The big bang will possibly never be proven to be experimentally true but there are some very good theories out there that explains it using some solid physics.

      Nothing in this universe requires a god to work.

      February 28, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • AGuest9

      Yes, Bo. I heard that story in grade school as well, which is maybe where it should stay. The problem is: where did it originate? That is nowhere in the bible. Where did it come from? Did the nuns make it up? Although, in Genesis 6:2, you have nephilim coming down and mating with human women, which makes me wonder about how "perfect" heaven is. So, you have a "perfect" god creating angels who rebel, nephilim who sneak down to do the wild thing with earth women (because heaven is a boring place, se.xually?) and earth people created in his "image and likeness" who are far from perfect and talk to snakes. So much for paradise.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Well Bo, that was very dissappointing. No facts. Just the same old fairy tale used daily to indoctrinate children into the Christian cult. Hey, if it makes you happy, great. I was hoping you might address my posts. I guess you can't.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Chad

      @The Central Scrutinizer "The bible is not a dependable resource for facts. You must do better than that. Don’t even get me started on Genesis. Talk about ridiculous."
      @Chad "The bible historicity is clearly established. There are of course many historical details that havent been confirmed by archaeology, HOWEVER, there are NONE that have been demonstrated to be incorrect"

      @The Central Scrutinizer "How do you know that god lives outside of time?"
      @Chad "God created all of the universe space/time, therefor he must exist outside of the creation."

      @The Central Scrutinizer "What is God’s purpose again? And how would you know?"
      @Chad "I dont really know what God's "purpose" is, never claimed to..

      @The Central Scrutinizer "And again, when you quote the bible you lose me....... It is not a valid resource for anything factual except, in some cases, time and place."
      @Chad "self refuting statement lol..."

      February 29, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
  6. Judy in MO

    I pray for all the sinners in this wicked world. The US is going to hell because of the sins of gays and abortion. I finds self sick when I think about this country.

    February 27, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I am very glad to hear that. That is a good sign. And you very welcome to leave.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Observer

      You mean Fred Phelps sick? Or Rick Santorum sick?

      February 27, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Observer, I don't understand your posts. No biggy, I am just saying it is not clear to me who or what your are saying or saying it to.

      February 27, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
  7. The Central Scrutinizer

    Holy Cow, I leave for 30 minutes and when I come back, Godspeople has revealed that she hates her mother and has condemned her, all psychologists and all the athiests to Hell!

    On another note, a fine bit of manipulation there God of Death. Well done!

    February 27, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Godspeople

      Smoke crack often?

      February 27, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Ummm, no. Why do you ask?

      February 27, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Godspeople, if you are really a dude, sorry I called you her. Should have been HE hates HIS mother.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
  8. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    February 27, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Proven (no need to thank me, prayer person never does)

      February 27, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  9. God of Death

    Here is a solid question for you religious dingbats..

    Does being ignorant of logic ever bother you? Please explain why it doesn't.

    February 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • God of Death


      "My mother IS a psychologist. I know all about the tricks people who study manipulation play. "

      This one answer from you explains ALOT about why you are so messed up. It is the simple fact that you do not understand psychology. Your mother has a solid foundation to pick YOU apart to every degree and YOU resent the power that she has over you. You're too stupid to accept that what she sees is the truth of psychology – she can employ it well I guess.

      The fact that you made this statement and say it is all about the 'tricks' says it all. You're off base and retarded about psychology. I suggest you follow along your mom's path and take some psychology. But then you'll be an atheist quick enough so you wouldn't dare. Either way it seems like you'll be a loser all your life.

      Don't take psychology – stay a loser. I like you like that. 🙂

      February 27, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Bo

      Interesting, Iv’e wondered the same about atheists. Atheism is so illogical. Let me ask you a question: would you prefer everlasting life; not as we have in this life, but one that is perfect in every way, to everlasting death?

      February 27, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Bo, I understand that you are afraid of dying and the notion of everlasting life comforts you, but it is just a sweet dream.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Bo

      How ridiculous! What ever in the world ever gave you the idea that I’m afraid of death? I fear this life more than death!
      Naturally I have the inborn inclination for preservation of life, God put that in our nature, but I’m looking forward to spending eternity in a perfect environment.
      What is uncomfortable and painful is the loss of companionship of a loved one, but we are consoled with the knowledge that we will see one another again.
      In fact, just this week we laid one to rest, and an elderly person remarked, “Oh that, that could be me!”
      Our bigest hope and dream is live through the final events of this world and see Jesus coming in a cloud of angels to take us with him to Heaven. How exciting that would be!
      The next big event is to finally return to our eternal home; this earth made new.
      Why not suicide? Because that would “over riding” God’s plan for our lives. God has a plan for each and every one of us, encluding you, but it is your God given gift to make your choice not to accept that plan.
      God loves you and He wants you to be saved also. Following Jesus, is not an easy life, don't let anyone tell you differently, but it is one filled with hope and love.
      when Paul stood before King Agrippa, the king said, "Almost thou persadest me to be a Christian"
      How sad, "Almost...." Acts 26:28 It's your choice.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • Godspeople

      @"God" of death: As soon as you can speak without the insults towards your intellectual superiors and without a condescending tone, I will reply to your questions. Until then, go plan for your eternity in hell.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Blind hope and children's fairy tales Bo.

      February 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Bo, please see my argument against your "God has a plan" rhetoric above.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Oh and Bo, how come you said god has a plan for me and than told me it was my choice? Huh? And don't you think taking comfort in knowing you see will your loved ones again is simply re-phrasing what I already said? You have a fear of death and take comfort in your fairy tale. You made my very point so I thank you for that.

      February 27, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
  10. momoya

    @ Godspeople

    Leaving aside the negative connotations of the word, "poison" refers to an EFFECTIVE agent. Interesting that you consider atheist dialogue as an effective agent against the christian belief. On a scale of 1-10, just how effective is the atheist's "poison?"

    February 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • Godspeople

      @momoya: to me it's a 0. I can't believe you idiots actually manage to remember to breathe every day. To you it seems to be some illogical (and hopefully soon to be ILLEGAL) aphrodesiac. You're so in love with yourselves and your amoral lives that you can't imagine living by any rules at all. Enjoy hell.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • bigot

      @godspeople: that is a pretty absolute and condescending post about something you know very little about; what happens when we die. The fact is, you don't know squat, and certainly do not have some supernatural power I do not possess telling you what happens after death. But whatever makes you sleep better at night.

      February 28, 2012 at 7:45 am |
  11. Charlie

    The only way to end buffoonery in the pulpit is to end the buffoonery of religion in general. Period.

    February 27, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
  12. TheRationale

    Is it just me or is this article one paragraph long?

    February 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      You read the article? I should try that.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
  13. Rational Libertarian

    "2000 years ago, an incredibly violent deity came to earth both as himself and his son in the from of some Jewish carpenter. Said carpenter couldn't keep his mouth shut, and annoyed some other Jews. Said Jews executed said carpenter. Said carpenter then became zombified, which somehow saved the souls (whatever that is) of everybody on the planet, for sins which they didn't even commit"

    This story is the biggest piece of buffoonery that ever comes out of a pulpit.

    February 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Yeah, but at least the violent deity got laid so he could make a physical baby out of himself in the form of said carpenter who then had to grow up but not before getting into a little unsavory mischief as a youth. And don't forget you cannot get to "the Father" except through the zombie ghost carpenter, who actually is the "Father" so you have to go through the Father to get to the Father. It all makes perfect sense to me.

      February 27, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • sam

      What? I thought the fastest way to a guy was through his stomach.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Hey Sam. I talked to Sports Fan today and he says hello! He is watching re-runs of the NBA All-Star game and comparing it to runnaway gas prices.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  14. Godspeople

    and here we go again with more Atheist poison.

    February 27, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Explain your use of the word poison if you don't mind. Thanks.

      February 27, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Godspeople

      @CS: Okay. Negativity, evil, darkness, hate speech, bigotry, etc and so forth.

      February 27, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      How do any of those things apply to me? I am not hateful, I am not a bigot, I am not negative, I enjoy having some fun and joking around, I am certainly not evil, where in the world did you get that? Darkness? I really don't understand.

      February 27, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Godspeople

      Referring to our Priests ministering to us as "buffoonery" is a good start. That sort of thing very much reeks of hate and poison. I was also not referring to just you, but the other 4 atheists that post here under multiple nicknames to make it look like there's more of you than there are.

      February 27, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Just to finish that thought, the only person here that is calling other people names seems to be, well, you. The rest of us are commenting on the article and expressing opinion.

      February 27, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And the one who started this conversation is a professional charlatan, not an atheist. Perhaps you should chastise this shaman.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Godspeople

      omg I called you "Atheists." did that hurt your feelings? Sorry.

      As for the article... I think crap like Eddie Long should be removed completely. It gives Christians and Christianity a bad name, and is completley against the faith. Christ's Church is not a show. It's a place of spiritual education and growth.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Godspeople

      @HotAir: Actually I started this conversation, and I've never proclaimed to be an atheist. I used to be, but I actually discovered the truth.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      HeavenSent (er...Godspeople)
      You are using multiple names.
      also, disagreeing with you does not make someone evil.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Godspeople

      Actually I'm not "HeavenSent." I was "GodIsTheWay" and decided to change to "GodsPeople" You'll notice I don't post as "GodIsTheWay" now.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Ummmm. ... I think the original cause of the postings here was the charlatan believer author, and that he was the first one to call your shamans buffoons. So again, maybe you should aim your displeasure at tour own tribe.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • captain america

      hotair is a butt in canadian so its opinion on our topics is like dog crap on theses blogs sidewalks. There's your sign

      February 27, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I must agree with HotAirAce. The article started the conversation, not you. You just started the name calling.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Godspeople

      @hotairace: Actually, the author was referring to idiots like Eddie Long, who are more interested in glitz and glamour than in the faith itself. I call idiots like that far worse than buffoon. What I'm referring to are atheists like yourself who refer to our priests as buffoons when good priests actually teach and counsel their parishoners.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • Godspeople

      By "Name calling" you mean "Atheist." If the word offends you so much, don't pretend to be one.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      No Godspeople, I was referring to oh lets see, bigot.....evil.....darkness......all that crazy stuff you said.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • GodPot

      From a perspective of one who has some reading comprehension, the "Name calling" was when you accused atheists of being poisoners. That would be the word Central requested clarification on, which you expanded on by using more descriptive words such as "Negativity, evil, darkness, hate speech, bigotry, etc and so forth." to clarify your name calling. I'm glad "Godspeople" have so many intellectually challenged minds like yours on their side. With friends like these, who needs enemies...

      February 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      I still think it is HeavenSent without the Amen.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Godspeople

      You're the one who asked for a definition of the word "poison." I also said, and I quote, "I'm not referring specifically to you." Reading comprehension is your friend.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Perhaps there's a longer article I can't see but I don't see a reference to even Shaman Long, other than the picture. But let me be clear, in my opinion and experience, even "good" priests are delusional, liars or both. They are all spewing crap that in any other subject area would be ruthlessly investigated and deemed crap if no factual, verifiable, independent supporting evidence was found (and none has been). When it comes to religious charlatans being buffoons, it is only a question of degree, not if.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • Snow

      So, let me get this straight.. calling other people's opinion as poison/negative/evil/dark is not name calling?

      February 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Godspeople

      @hotairace: nobody cares what you think.

      @Snow: no, just facts.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • God of Death

      The fact is just this Godspeople – you are too stupid to really how stupid you are.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • Snow

      @Godspeople.. Got it.. You are a biased bigot..

      I love how you guys make absolute statements and back them up with absolutely ZERO evidence or arguments..

      February 27, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      And finally and just for the record Godspeople. I did not ask you for a definition of the word poison (thank goodnes cuz you were no where close). I asked you to explain your use of the word. In other words, why were you calling the other posters "poison". I still don't know. I guess because they don't agree with you.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • sam

      'Evil'? Really? LOL


      February 27, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Godspeople

      You dare. You go on every posted belief blog, and you attack every believer that comes on to talk about our faith. You call us delusional, you call us every name in the book. You DARE get upset when someone calls you on your poison? Get ye gone, hypocrite!

      February 27, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • God of Death

      I love attacking every religious dingbat. 🙂

      They're so stupid and annoying with their delusions, and plus they try hard every day to poison everyone's mind. This malicious act will be stopped because we atheists have the best in psychology to deal with the religious lies.

      I love the fact that every religious nut can be caught up in their lies by the simply insertion of asking solid questions.
      Religious people love to skirt or refuse to answer solid questions. That is one fact they can never take.

      February 27, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Godspeople

      You psychology means nothing. My mother IS a psychologist. I know all about the tricks people who study manipulation play. Psychologists are evil. They play mind games. They are liars and manipulators. They, and you, are all going to hell.

      February 27, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • God of Death

      Psychology is the best. You get to understand people and yourself. Only crazy people don't want to deal with knowledge and know what kind of person they really are.

      The real truth is that religious nutbags like you Godpeople are in hiding from – yourself.

      February 27, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • God of Death

      Religious nutbags have no confidence to deal with other people they are afraid of. Religious nuts don't even like their own selfs because they are always afraid of dying.

      February 27, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Godspeople

      Actually, you're generalizing. I know myself quite well. I'm a slightly above average person. I work hard, I do my job and do it well, I work extra hours. I go to Church when work lets me. I call my priest when I'm having spiritual or moral dilemmas. I drink on occasion, I'm quitting smoking, I have a bad temper, and I'm antisocial. I swear a little too often, and often times wake up in a bad mood. I'm just a normal person, with his own share of faults, who just tries to live up to the best example possible, while believing in something greater than himself.

      February 27, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Godsdufus, if asking for proof of your beliefs is an attac, then I am an attacker...

      But it seems to me that you ought to be able to provide requested proof, or respond with something like "despite having no proof for any of my claims and beliefs, I nevertheless hold to them, and given that I cannot prove (nor can anyone else prove) that any god exists, I must admit there is some non-zero probability that no god exists." That would be a much more mature way of engaging in a conversation than throwing a hissy fit when we don't accept your assertions at face value.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  15. boocat

    This guy's no different than what the Roman Catholic Church does. Dress people up in funny hats and costumes. It's what is said from the pulpit that bothers me.

    February 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
  16. The Central Scrutinizer

    It is that very buffoonery in the pulpit that best speaks true of Christians. Nonsense and lies. Doesn't matter if you wear a funny hat or a clown wig or a suit and tie or blue jeans. They are all just costumes to seperate you from your money. What a country!

    February 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Bo

      “It is that very buffoonery in the pulpit that best speaks true of Christians.”

      Statements like this makes me wonder if atheists are sincere or if they are really ignorant with what they say. I usually just pass off this kind of reply as that of someone who is either just really sarcastic or truly ignorant of what he/she may be saying. This time I really think 'The Central Scrutinizer' is ignorant. I wonder where these people get their information. This kind of “buffoonery” is not what “true” Christians are like, not even close. In fact it is so stupid it is emb.arra.ss.ing not just of Christianty, but all humanity. It’s something like you have your kittle kid, that may be 4 or five years old, in a mall and suddenly he pulls down his pants to show what he has.
      I watched some of what Richard Carrier had to say on the you-tube video that was posted under the blog “We need to stand up....”, He was making, rather, he was showing so many erroneousness statements on screen; like: "magic tree", "magic blood" and other statements that simply are not true. actually he was showing staments made by others on a vedio screen so he could not be held accountable for what was said, at least he kept saying, "This is what [someone else] has to say. Is this what is passed off as "free thinking". It annoyed me and I turned him off because, if he didn’t know what he was talking about, why listen?

      February 27, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Bo, my statement has a deeper sub-text that I think you missed. If you think I am ignorant, that is fine, I couldn’t care less, but I will explain it further for what it is worth:

      Christianity HAS in fact become a big show in the U.S. But then, it always was a big show. You need look no further that the Pope and Vatican City to see where the buffoonery in the pulpit started and continues today. The Pope wins the biggest hat contest hands down and the cardinals look lovely in red.

      When I say that “It is that very buffoonery in the pulpit that best speaks true of Christians.” I am saying that it (that style) has been endorsed since the Middle Ages, perhaps longer.

      Evangelicals and Right Wing politicians in this country have ratcheted up this style of “Performance Church” and it has proved to be very popular. Apparently they believe in the same Jesus you do. Sorry.

      Are all Christians and churches and denominations in this mold? No of course not. But that does not change my opinion that it is the buffoonery of the Evangelicals that best speaks true of Christians. And if you don’t like it, do something about. Tell the Evangelicals and the Republicans to take a hike. I am just reporting what I see and hear on a daily basis.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • Bo

      I agree with you that there is much, much too much that is passed off as “true Christianity” and it is not. So far as I’m concerned, the Pope is, well I had better hold some of my thoughts, because they are not very nice, but all that “ecclesiastical” finery is such a farce. You may not say it this way, but it [the Papacy/Vatican] is so anti-Christ.
      I do not believe God approves of such pompous show, and certainly not the pedophilia cover-up. There are so many tele-evangelists that spew false doctrine, especially those that are constantly hounding you for money, well maybe not you and me because I don’t listen to them and I doubt that you do. And then the ones that say if you do this or that you will become rich–what baloney. Haven’t they read that Jesus said that it is harder for a rich man to enter heaven than a camel to go through the eye of a needle ( I think he was referring to a gate that was called “the Needle’s Eye”, a camel could go through it, but with great difficulty; the translators got it wrong because there is no ‘article’ in the Greek grammar; there should have been a ‘the’ where they put an ‘a’.)
      Yes, there are many who call themselves “Christian”, but it is not “true” Christianity, that was what I was objecting to.
      One wise person wrote, “not one [Christian] in twenty is ready for translation.” [ready to go to heaven] That is a hard saying.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Well I just wanted you to understand the point I was making. I am sometimes guilty of leaving too much out and unfairly expecting to be understood. I don't believe in heaven, so I don't have the same worries you have. Hey, you can always become and Athiest! lol. Take care and tell the guys in the hats to get lost.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Proven (no need to thank me)

      February 27, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • boocat

      So does a good hit of LSD.

      February 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • jimtanker

      Proven WRONG!

      February 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Jim! you are hurting the prayer poster's feelings. (just play along....)

      February 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things

      February 27, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      Damn it Prayer Person! I already said it was proven! We do you have to say it was proven after I already said it?? I may just stop trying to help you out!

      February 27, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Atheism and Just sayin' simply enjoy redundancy.
      They like to be repeti.tive.
      They take pleasure in repeating the same things over and over again.
      Pleonasms give them or/gasms.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • hippypoet

      isn't doing the exact same thing over and over again expecting different results a sign of insanity?

      than again, belief in god is a sign of insanity so there isn't much to go on for the argument for sanity! – whatever, burn them witches!

      February 27, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Well Hung Jesus

      You are correct Praise Satan...isn't he great.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Well Hung Jesus

      "Doc Vestibule

      Atheism and Just sayin' simply enjoy redundancy.
      They like to be repeti.tive.
      They take pleasure in repeating the same things over and over again.
      Pleonasms give them or/gasms."
      It is a clear sign of their lack of intelligence. Like a retard repeating over and over.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • just sayin

      Good point, atheism is just saying redundancy. Bring out a faith issue and atheists swarm all over it like the maggots they are, spouting the same tired phrases someone else thought out for them. Atheism = the height of redundancy, we are agreed then.

      February 27, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • sam

      @ just sayin – Of course, that wouldn't apply to you, even though you've essentially posted that same tired opinion over and over and over and –

      February 27, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • just sayin

      Truth will out. When it's True it is True and needs to be repeated forever ! No one who loves Truth ever tires of hearing Truth.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things.

      February 27, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      OMG Prayer person, I have to do this again?

      Proven. (no need to thank me. again.)

      February 27, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • bigot

      "Truth will out. When it's True it is True and needs to be repeated forever ! No one who loves Truth ever tires of hearing Truth."

      only problem is that you are only speculating that what you think is true is true. Speculation and fact are two different things. How do you KNOW there arent many gods, or no god? or god is really not christian? You dont know. You speculate.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:06 am |
  18. TP

    Can you all please let the eddie long stuff go? There are more serious issues to post than this, like the NDAA law Obama has passed that authorizes the military to detain Americans. Thank you very much.

    February 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • The Central Scrutinizer

      The new version of the law (I think we have had this law each fiscal year since 2005?) passed overwhelmingly in Congress. Obama just signed it.

      The president defended his action, writing that he signed the act, “Chiefly because it authorizes funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad, crucial services for service members and their families, and vital national security programs that must be renewed.”

      Senior administration officials, who asked not to be named, told ABC News, “The president strongly believes that to detain American citizens in military custody infinitely without trial, would be a break with our traditions and values as a nation, and wants to make sure that any type of authorization coming from congress, complies with our Const.i.tution, our rules of war and any applicable laws.”

      One official explained that President Obama does believe, however, that American citizens can be temporarily detained, and that the military has the right to capture and hold any citizen who is engaged in conflict against the United States. If various provisions in the law prove unworkable, the president could go back to Congress to ask for changes.

      “The president is going to adhere to the policies that he has held over the last three years, making sure that none of these congressional provisions impede the ability of the counterterrorism and military professional from keeping the country safe,” the official said.

      February 27, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • sam

      They're starting with you! Don't answer your door.

      February 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  19. Nonimus

    I don't necessarily agree with the racial tie-in, but I would agree that if preacher's want to improve their own image as a group, then cutting down on the buffoonery, like arguing against well substantiated and accepted science, would be a start.

    February 27, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
  20. Bootyfunk

    EVERYthing on the pulpit is buffoonery.

    February 27, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Agreed! If buffoonery in the pulpit was not supported, all pulpits would be empty!

      February 27, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And the one who started this conversation is a professional charlatan, not an atheist. Perhaps you should chastise this shaman.

      February 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
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