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Pastor backing Santorum claims Romney is not a Christian
February 28th, 2012
02:34 AM ET

Pastor backing Santorum claims Romney is not a Christian

By Peter Hamby, CNN Political Reporter

Lansing, Michigan (CNN) – A Michigan pastor who introduced Rick Santorum at a Monday campaign event in Lansing claimed that Mitt Romney is not a Christian and said Santorum is the one Republican candidate who can awaken "the sleeping giant" of Christianity.

Kent Clark, the CEO of Grace Centers of Hope, a faith-based homeless outreach facility in Pontiac, warmed up the pro-Santorum audience by calling the former Pennsylvania senator "a man who believes in a creator rather than we being the accidental creation of gas and dust."

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Filed under: Christianity • Michigan • Mormonism • Politics • Rick Santorum

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  1. Neil

    Dear Pastor, may ye burn on the glory fire brimstone and firmly hold hands with fundamentalist Muslim brothers who dearly hold sharia law to their unempathic and empty heart, my divine moron and idiot! "Awakening the sleeping giant of Christianity", Really? For whom dear wounded one may I ask?

    March 10, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
  2. seanmahair

    Saying something over and over again doesn't make it fact. You don't believe in prayer fine, live your life without it. It's why you are so terribly unhappy that you feel the need to denigrate other peoples faith. It's why you believe that human life is cheap and nature is god. It's why you're willing to support a government that lies, steals and cheats the people it's supposed to serve. It's also why we are in the disastrous shape we're in today. A whole government filled with people who think no one is better, smarter or more deserving then they. Should sound hauntingly familiar.

    Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

    Good luck with that.

    March 7, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • queenbee10

      ..and It is Jesus who said : "Let the chaff and the wheat grow together and when I have come, I shall separate them"

      Understand the difference between man's job and wishes for the earth and God's. Then stand back and stop trying to do God's job for Him–he does not need the "help"

      ...according to scripture–things are progressing in the world just the way God said they would. You will find nothing in the last days about any "nation" joining up with God and getting their act together–but you might want to check out Revelations 18 chapter and figure out who or what place/country is being described.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:16 am |
    • kateslate

      " Love one another as I have loved you."

      This was my take-away from my long ago religious instruction, which I left once I realized the hypocrisy and the power-mongering behind religion. This is the line I remember, and one most forgotten.

      Jesus even wanted Republican presidential candidates to love Obama!

      March 12, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  3. Tim

    Reading these remarks shows us why church and state should indeed be separate. Everyone has their own interpretation of what religion should or should not be. Religion is a personal choice and it should not even be part of our political system. I sure wouldn't want any of you telling me what I should believe.

    March 7, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  4. Scott

    Evangelical clergy are scared 5h!tless that their paychecks will be impacted. Mormon have no paid clergy, of course these guys will try to muddy the water in the river every chance they get.

    March 6, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
  5. josh johnson

    Mormons are Christians by every definition. We believe Jesus is the Christ the savior of all man kind. We have taken his name upon us. The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints is Christs church on the earth today. Please visit our website Mormon.org.

    March 6, 2012 at 3:29 am |
    • Woody Bailey

      Okay josh johnson, I visited mormon.org and found this: Prior to the organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Joseph Smith received priesthood authority at the hands of John the Baptist, Peter, James, and John who received that same “power and authority” from Jesus Christ Himself (Luke 9:1). These men appeared as angels and bestowed the priesthood upon Joseph Smith. The prophet today, Thomas S. Monson, is the authorized successor to Joseph Smith. He and the Church’s other Apostles trace their priesthood authority back to Jesus Christ in an unbroken chain of ordinations.
      Now how could it be unbroken when there is no one mentioned between Peter, James and John and Joseph Smith. It is the official teaching of LDS that they are the only restored Church of Jesus Christ

      March 6, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
    • Joseph Smith

      I was sent by Lucifer to confuse the world...and my plan is working. The White Horse Prophcy will come true and the LDS Church will rule America.

      March 7, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • queenbee10

      Where does the magic underwear and space ship or outer space stuff fit in with the bible?

      March 8, 2012 at 12:18 am |
    • queenbee10

      .... then again, many born again "Christians" do not believe Catholics are Christians due to their propensity for idolatry (praying to graven images and making statues out of angels and God" and their tendency to pray to humans who they make holy and see as Go betweens when Jesus said "no man come to the Father except by me" Go figure, everyone knocking every one else–good thing none of us are in charge

      March 8, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Cetta

      Then who are His brothers?

      March 11, 2012 at 8:25 am |
  6. Kevin

    Christians believe that Jesus is part of the Trinity and actually God. The Bible is the authoritative book that is God's word. Mormons see Jesus as a great prophet, but not God. He is the son of God, but not actually God himself. They say the Bible was assembled after the true church established by Jesus left the world and it is subject to error. The Book of Mormon is their reliable book. So although Mormons have a Christian philosophy, they are not a Christian religion. The claim that they are Christian is one of the dishonest ways they attempt to ingratiate themselves with the mainstream.

    March 5, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • RightCoastVA

      Muslims believe that Christ was a prophet, not Mormons. I know they both start with M and that can be confusing. Don't let it get you down.

      March 5, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • josh johnson

      You are wrong in so many many ways. Your sources are way off. Please go to Mormon.org and learn for yourselves.

      March 6, 2012 at 3:22 am |
    • Cetta

      Actually there is no trinity. It is not in the Bible. There is only one God who manifested Himself as Jesus the Christ. God is a Spirit and can manifest Himself anyway He chooses.

      March 11, 2012 at 8:27 am |
  7. andorifwhat

    GOD did vomit...out came "RICK SANITARIUM"

    March 1, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
  8. andorifwhat

    santorum is not a "CHRISPEN", he's a "CATHAHOLIC".

    March 1, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
  9. Drew

    Anything associated with Rick Santorum is evil and vile. He is so full of thinly veiled hatred, pride in self, and disgust for those who are different that he in reality represents everything Jesus abhorred. Jesus loved the sinner. Jesus taught us to love one another and to turn the other cheek. Jesus embraced the poor and loved those shunned by society. Jesus taught humility. Modern American Christianity is pure evil and bears no resemblance to what Jesus taught and I am glad that I am not associated with it.

    March 1, 2012 at 11:26 am |
  10. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    March 1, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • Cetta

      So what demon sent you

      March 11, 2012 at 8:28 am |
  11. Atheism is for the weak minds

    The Pope that time wasn't the majority.

    February 29, 2012 at 12:06 pm |
  12. MAJORITY always WINS!

    Majority can be wrong but it always WINS.

    February 29, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Ceri

      Tell that to Al Gore

      March 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
  13. David

    Does this really matter. Vote for who can do the bets job. Having said that..NO Mormons are NOT Christians. A Christian must believe Jesus is God incarnate. Mormons do NOT believe the spirit of Jesus is God's. Read this article from their own Church. http://mormonapologeticstudies.org/2011/06/10/do-mormons-believe-they-can-become-gods/ Basically it states Jesus was a created being that attained Godhood but is NOT God. This goes against the core Christian belief that Jesus is the eternal God incarnate, his spriit is God's spirit, not that of a man or angelic being. Lastly, they also teach we can be equivalent to Jesus therefore attaining God status ( A implies B implies C ). This is simple formal logic. To round out the falacies they also believe God, the eternal transcenant which exists outside of time, has a body made of bones/flesh like we do. Wrap your brains around how a 5+ dimensional being has a body and exists only within the Universe he created? Huh?

    February 29, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Drew

      Who told you that Christians have to believe that Jesus is in fact God? No where in the Bible does it claim that Jesus is in fact God Himself. In fact Jesus himself states that he is the Son of God. Jesus states that he was the beginning of God's creation (thus God had to exist before Jesus was created). There are too numerous examples of scripture from the New and Old Testaments to post here, but it is made clear repeatedly that Jesus and God are two distinct and different beings. The idea that they are one and the same does not come from the Bible, but instead from centuries of incorrect preaching. And since most self proclaimed Christians do not believe in any revelation since the Bible, their teachings that contradict the Bible MUST BE FALSE.

      Anyone who claims that they are the ones who get to decide who are Christians and who are not are filled with false pride and their opinion is not valid.

      March 1, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • karen

      Uh, that is the definition of a Christian

      March 3, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Heather

      The mercy seat on the tabernacle was built for a person to sit on. The idea that god could be a soul that transfers from one human body to other (essentially just multiple lifetimes on a planet that was planted to be a garden of biological machines designed to evolve) doesn't seem that hard to wrap your mind around. Did god ever claim to be the god of all or just the god of all they knew? (semantics of the word all in context) The great flood didn't cover the whole world, just their world. God would have been speaking to someone that believed the world was flat. Flooding the nile would have flooded Noah's entire world. There are many places in the bible were god is clearly depicted as being in human form. Wrap your mind around that.

      March 5, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
    • josh johnson

      Yes Mormons are Christians. We believe that Jesus Christ is the savior of all man kind. That he saved us from sin and death and it is only through the atonement of Jesus Christ can we be made perfect like Jesus commanded us to be. "Be ye therefore perfect even as your father who art in heaven is perfect" through the atonement we can be perfect both spirtualy and physicaly. Christ paid for our sins and he was resurrected so we all will be resurrected. Mormons do not beloved Jesus was just a prophet he was and is God. And yes he does have a father. That site quoted earlier is NOT A LDS website. Go to Mormon.org and search the living Christ. Read from Mormon.org what they believe. The name of the Mormon church is The CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. JESUS CHRIST is the name of the church. Does that sound like someone who isn't a Christian?? Who's church do you go to??

      March 6, 2012 at 3:06 am |
    • queenbee10

      Drew: YOU are incorrect. Jesus is known as "Savior. Lord< king of Kings, the lamb and the Word. Pay attention to that last called the WORD because Jesus is the aspect of the Godhead which speaks things into existence. He is part of the God head and has always been: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God and the Word was with God. Try to understand that "God" is similar to our one Government–3 parts to make one government, 3 parts to make ONE God. God the Father who thinks things into existence to form ideas and create things, God the Son who speaks the same things into existence which gives the created things definition and then God the Holy Spirit who manifests those things in the material sense so that all can see that they came into being. 3-p-The trinity into ONE–We call that one God and that is why in Genesis, God keeps saying "Let us do this or that and why when Adam and Eve eat of the tree of Knowledge, God says let us remove them from the GArden before they eat of the tree of life and become like US."

      Jesus is the Word and yes scripture DOES say that He was ALWAYS with his father in fact in the old testament, prior to the recording of his life, a scripture talks about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the Angels looking upon the wickedness of men and God the Father wanting to destroy them all again because the sacrificing of a bull was not enough to cover the stench of sin (sin is death –life cancels out death) It was asked WHO in heaven was great enough to offer themselves as a sacrifice to be the ultimate of all time so that continual killing of animals was not necessary–then scripture says the angels wept because none among them was great enough to assume the task–then JESUS (who did not exist on earth or had been born yet) VOLUNTEERED to go down and be the ultimate sacrificial lamb.

      This is why he is also called the Lamb of God (due to his sacrifice) and the Son of God due to him having been made flesh to be born of a woman and his essence having been placed in the womb by God the Holy Spirit.

      Don't discuss the bible if you don't know it and if you have no clue–either learn it or if you are a nonbeliever–if you want to debate it–LEARN it still.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:32 am |
  14. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
    Prayer makes you fat.
    Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
    Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
    Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
    Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
    Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
    Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
    Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
    Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
    Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
    Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
    Prayer dulls your senses.
    Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
    Prayer wastes time.

    February 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • Jon

      I am not religious, and am appalled at the mixing of Religion and government that Rick Santorum seems to prefer. But your remark is simply way out of line. Prayer can mean many things to many people. The deepest form of Christian prayer is contemplation which is very near to the meditation of buddhists. All forms of prayer, when done healthily, are a source of strength, comfort, and clarity of heart and mind to those who practice it, and help them to live the rest of their lives better to the full. Please don't talk about something about which you know nothing.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:41 am |
  15. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
    Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
    Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
    Prayer makes you hoard cats.
    Prayer wastes time.

    February 28, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    February 28, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Jesus

      –The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things,
      Proven.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer changes things,
      Proven."

      Lying is a sin and the experts have proven you wrong.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
      Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
      Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
      Prayer makes you fat.
      Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
      Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
      Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
      Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
      Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
      Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
      Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
      Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
      Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
      Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
      Prayer makes you anally frothy just like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
      Prayer dulls your senses.
      Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
      Prayer makes you hoard cats.
      Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
      Prayer wastes time.

      February 28, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • Prayer changes things

      Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things
      Need Proof? See responses above.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Greg L

      Whatever – you can believe your Christian fairy tales, but don't impose them on me.

      February 29, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • queenbee10

      Prayer DOES indeed change things and I can give testimony to the many changes in my life and how both faith and prayers have been answered by God and delivered me and blessed me!

      March 8, 2012 at 12:36 am |
  17. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:

    Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, Newton Leroy Gingrich, Ron Paul or Rick Santorum, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?

    The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.

    2008 Presidential popular vote results:

    69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.

    And the irony:

    And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    February 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
  18. LTF

    Really sometimes it is not worth to vote, when more disappointing remarks come from candidates.....as one conservative said..you can't fix stupid.

    February 28, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
  19. Chris2 not Chris 1

    Mormonism has doctrine way off from actual Christianity. It is a religion that is clearly different. Only 1 savior Jesus Christ is worth worship. Joseph Smith has no place in Christianity.

    February 28, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • aaron

      Joseph Smith is in no way a savior to us, a prophet yes, savior no. Members of The church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints believe in one savior only and the name of our church will tell you who it is.

      February 28, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • Ignorance

      Well. . . . that's an informed opinion. Thanks for enlightening me that I worship Joseph Smith. Silly me, how dare I actually try to worship Christ.

      February 29, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Atheism is for the weak minds

      The Pope that time was not the majority.

      February 29, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Drew

      Learn about Mormonism before you speak or criticize. Mormons do not worship Joesph Smith and have never claimed to. If you have been told that by a "Christian" friend or preacher, I suggest you seriously examine everything else they told you because teaching that Mormons worship Joseph Smith is so fundamentally incorrect that I would be surprised if anything your friend or preacher told had any basis in reality.

      March 1, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • Ceri

      Not true about worshipping Smith. But Smith was a cheat and a conman, and that people should call him a prophet is laughable.

      March 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • josh johnson

      Jesus is the Christ and Joseph Smith is his prophet. To say Mormons worship Joseph Smith is like saying Baptists worship Paul or Moses. Please stop spreading your ignorance. Read the book of Mormon. Please find out what Mormons believe by going to Mormon.org

      March 6, 2012 at 3:16 am |
  20. MAJORITY always WINS!

    This is a clear manifestation and concrete proof of the IMMATERIALITY, INSIGNIFICANCE and INVALIDITY of atheists/atheism.

    While Christianity has all the say on who should the one to sit in the White House and even on every single seat available for an elected official, atheist votes couldn't win even a prom king and queen.

    Ironically however, they keep on acting here that they have a say on anything under the sun. How pretentious, yet, how TYPICAL!

    February 28, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Root post is a rather raw instance of the common ad populum fallacy.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#H6

      February 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Fallacy Spouting 2012

      Above post is the best example of a Dalmatian fallacy.

      February 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      Majority..at one time most of world thought the world was flat.. are you still scared to take a cruise ?

      February 28, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
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