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February 29th, 2012
04:28 AM ET
Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Wednesday, February 29
By Dan Merica and Laura Koran, CNN Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories. From the Blog: CNN: Franklin Graham apologizes for questions Obama’s faith commitment CNN: Judge’s dismissal of atheist’s harassment claim against Muslim makes waves Belief on TV: Tweet of the Day: From @latimesreligion: Santa Monica to consider Nativity scene ban at park lat.ms/AEodz3 Enlightening Reads: Daily Mail: Christianity gets less sensitive treatment than other religions admits BBC chief Catholic News Agency: New video supports conscience law against HHS mandate Sojourners: Eugene Peterson: The Pastor on Preaching, Women Clergy Religion News Service: 10 Commandments judge seeks his old job back Quote of the Day:
Oshra Koren, a Beit Hillel founder and the director of the Matan organization for women’s religious education in Israel’s Sharon region said this in support of women being more involved in Orthodox Judaism. Opinion of the Day:  The author says the politicization of Christianity is responsible for young people leaving church. CNN: My Take: Don’t blame college for young people leaving Christianity Join the conversation… CNN: Gingrich tells evangelicals: ‘We need to stand up for ourselves’ |
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Religion would be by far the most embarrasing thing about the human race if it wasn't clearly a neurological disorder. The huamn ego is the reason people refuse to acknowledge the countless civilizations and gods that have come and gone before them. Without atheism, its only a matter of time until religion destroys the world.
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Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you fat.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
Prayer dulls your senses.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
JESUS IS WITHIN US ALL
Religion is a disgusting mind virus.
Prayer takes people away from actually working on real solutions to their problems.
Prayer has been shown to have no discernible effect towards what was prayed for.
Prayer prevents you from getting badly needed exercise.
Prayer makes you fat.
Prayer wears out your clothes prematurely.
Prayer contributes to global warming through excess CO2 emissions.
Prayer fucks up your knees and your neck and your back.
Prayer can cause heart attacks, especially among the elderly.
Prayer reveals how stupid you are to the world.
Prayer exposes your backside to pervert priests.
Prayer makes you think doilies are exciting.
Prayer makes you secretively flatulent and embarrassed about it.
Prayer makes your kids avoid spending time with you.
Prayer gives you knobbly knees.
Prayer makes you frothy like Rick Santorum. Just google him to find out.
Prayer dulls your senses.
Prayer makes you post really stupid shit.
Prayer makes you hoard cats.
Prayer makes you smell like shitty kitty litter and leads you on to harder drugs.
Prayer wastes time.
To all you nonbelievers, can you imagine a world if the comandments were adhered to?
You might post this over under the Jewish School basketball piece. It's lively right now and it's about keeping the sabbath.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/29/jewish-school-on-track-to-give-up-shot-at-state-championship-to-observe-sabbath/
Can you imagine a world where just the believers follow the commandments? Sorry – I was getting a bit silly there, trying to imagine the impossible.
The judeo xtian god of the jews, xtians, and muslims is a kid with a magnafying glass playing around an ant hill.
You are misinformed. The God of Christianity and Judaism is not allah. allah is a false god invented by Muslims for Muslims.
LOL, you make me laugh. Thats just it, they're all made up. Unless you can give evidence otherwise YOU ARE WRONG.
They ARE the same...the god of Abraham. Yahweh Sabaoth, the "god of the armies". They're all the same nonsense.
So just sayin has no problem with saying "Allah does not exist" while critizizing athiests for saying "God does not exist"
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
Stephen Roberts
allah and a host of thousands (including Thor, Zeus etc.) do not exist, they are false gods or idols. God exists, as in the first commandment.
just sayin,
You probably wouldn't buy a used car from Moses if you ran into him today.
You don't seem to have much respect for the Middle East - why would you believe stuff that came from those folks when they were primitives? *Anyone* can say that "God" told them this or that. There is no evidence that it really happened.
@ just sayin. "allah and a host of thousands (including Thor, Zeus etc.) do not exist," I will remember that statement if you ask an athiest to prove God does not exist. First, it can't be done, second you can't prove Allah or any other diety does not exist. I'm not saying that you would commit such a fallacy. Just trying to prevent it from happening.
No human can prove the existence or non existence of any God or Gods.
Reason just leads an educated person to see what religion is a way to control people and make money.
The atheist is the one who thrives on lies and deception. What is has been clearly established since creation in the heart of the created.
If "God" is all powerful and all-knowing, why pray at all?
Prayer is talking with God and listening to God. What child does not talk to its parent?
You're answer is non-responsive. Try again.
To a child a parent is all knowing and all powerful but also loving and a source of learning, the same is true of God. If you are still unable to see the connection I must assume you are beyond learning.
"What child does not talk to its parent?"
What parent locks their child in the basement and sets them on fire for eternity if the child doesnt believe in them?
just sayin,
Listening to "God"? What *exactly* does "he" say to you? What? What?... anything that you don't already know, or that you haven't been taught? Anything that you couldn't dream up, using your imagination?
You are talking to... and listening to yourself.
If you heard a voice in your head and were CONVINCED that it was your god would you take your son out into the wilderness and put a knife in his heart and then set him on fire? If you say yes to this then you need to be committed. If you say no, then you are more moral than any character in your book.
Wrong analogy. God provides in this life all mankind needs to receive eternal life. If an individual rejects what is offered it is not Gods fault. By rejecting God you consign yourself to your own fate. You may have locked your children in the basement, be assured that I never did.
You're more brainwashed than I thought. Just like an xtian to rationalize away any and all contradictions.
If you mean Christian have the courtesy to write Christian, there is no such thing as an xtian. You don't appear cool you appear ignorant.
just sayin "there is no such thing as an xtian."
The facts about that have been explained many times on these boards. Sorry you missed it. You could do your research and find it...
Of course xtians are real, they celebrate xmas to celebrate the birth of the son of god.
Ignorance should never be equated with intelligence. Your credibility diminishes with each lack of courtesy.
I find contractions offensive, next time you post, have the courtesy to use the name "just saying".
Go screw yourself.
this question is for al who wish to venture an answer –
Do you think god is petty?
If you mean God say God.
Hippy did say god...or did you miss that?
Just sayin you have made no point.
Logic and reason are not on your side all you have is an opinion, and so do I you are wrong you have no proof of god. And dont give me that crap I know him in my heart, you only believe because you are scared if you don't you will go to a place called hell.
I'm basing my answer on the bible. In th old testament "god" is angry and vindictive. In the new testament god is pretty much the opposite of those things. Personally, I consider myself a deist in that I believe in a god that manifests itself in the universe and not in a god that is concerned with the day to day doings of man.
By petty do you mean unimportant or spiteful?
petty as in concern for trivial matters and being spiteful because of those small matters....if god is a god then we humans don't matter in the least, it would be more a game for god to see what we are willing to do in the name of god...ants living they way the will compared to the way god wants and then makes god anger – that would be god being petty! we are the ants.
so in your opinion, is god petty?
We are independent of God and make choices that God would or would not make. I believe the outcome of that is important to God, not that we behave as proper robots or ants. If all that is true, petty intervention by God would not serve his purpose.
hippypoet- I don't think that God is Petty, I think that because we have free will all actions are subject to consequences, whether Good or Bad.
"hippypoet- I don't think that God is Petty, I think that because we have free will all actions are subject to consequences, whether Good or Bad."
Not only does the existence of God logically, philosophically and theologically deny the possibility of free will, but the Bible also says that there is no free will! Examining the writings of St Paul, the Biblical books of Ephesians, Romans, 2 Timothy, 2 Thessalonians and Revelations, we see that God's plan overrides our free will; those that do good do the specific good that God predestined them to do, and all others are ruled by Satan because God sends "powerful delusions" to them. The Christian Bible frequently states that God creates our future and decides our fates, no matter what our own will is. It constantly denies that we have free will.
"Not only does the existence of God logically, philosophically ... deny the possibility of free will" – let's have a look at that some time.
god is not God
Jesus- Of course God override our free will that's why he is GOD.
Interestingly enough, yesterday Brad brought up the Euthyphro Dilema. Either God's will is upholding some fundemental laws of the universe or God made the law. If God just made the rules then they are arbitrary. If God is not upholding a law higher than himself, which would make Him not omnipotent, than it's just God saying, "because I said so". That would make all God's decisions petty.
God does not talk through the bible it was written by men and it is interpreted by men. If god thinks it is so important that we love and worship him I think he could find the time to send a messenger down.
No a good way to make money and have control over people is through religion. It is okay that you want your life to have meaning when it really doesn't it is okay that the earth is here by chance and not some divine act.
My question wasn't all that interesting. What is your question of the day, hippypoet?
lol, deflection is fun isn't! i find redirection is better...
i have no question today – i shall put some thought into it thou.
i have thought of a question and i don't wish to cause any anger over the question, so consider this question to stem from a place of opinion even thou it is pretty much spelt out in the bible...
this question is for al who wish to venture an answer –
Do you think god is petty?
Another question I use to go to a Catholic church and was told by a sunday school teacher that Pope John Paul II had said that before he died a miracle would happen on earth that would let every one know God exists.
This did not happen, so the so called holiest man on earth is a liar, that is not good.
your right, thats not good, but your also wrong, thats not a question!
lol
My question is how could one believe in these stories written by men many years after jesus died.
Prayer changes things
Proven
No it has not been proven. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
Don't study studies, studies are misleading, study God.
"Don't study studies, studies are misleading, study God."
All research is based on studies moron it's how we advance ourselves, no wonder you're an idiot.
hippypoet brought up an interesting Bible verse, 1 Timothy 2:12, when you look at it together the 'Quote of the Day'. If Paul were alive today, and living as he did before his conversion, where would he fit in among Jews? He said himself "a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for legalistic righteousness, faultless" and "I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers".
lol, this is why i stay away from bible quotes.. i always seem to pick good ones and then sparks conversation off of it and i'd rather discuss other things... if everything in the bible is to be truth and or the word of god then how is this not saying that god is se.xist, biased , and a bigot?
oh thats right, its when we the low creature interpret it that is changes and all the sudden doesn't say that but now something totally different and out of context so bad that its now a different topic entirely! ahhhh!
And Paul said I do not permit a woman to assume authority. He did not even say God does not permit that.
we.. J.W paul was/is considered to be the first pope and since they have the ear of god supposedly, one could say by deduction that paul's words were god's words and therefore he had no need to be specific about who premits what...goes without saying was pauls way, or that is what so many would like to think – it gives the ability to "interpret" how you like instead of what was said being what was meant! god forbid right?!?!?!?!?!?
I think the first pope was Peter, hippypoet. Paul was never pope. But maybe a Catholic should weigh in...
i really do hate quoting the bible, so instead here is a website that i found to be rather good...some mistakes but for the most part to the point and historically correct – http://www.remnantofgod.org/pope1.htm
Of course, being that the Bible was divinely inspired, anything in the Bible was really God's wors still. Solomon was a wise man who had a lot of great quotes. Rarely would anyone say "well Solomon may have said that, but those are not God's words, even though they are in God's word"
Poet
The Pope typically infers Catholic which I thought was St. Peter. In Rome I note all the glories to Peter and was impresed with the golden chains he was bound up in for the sake of the church. Paul is rolling in his grave over the first catholic church as they went back to the way of the old Jewish Temple leaders and put their priests between God and man. When Jesus died their was no viel over the people as they could pray and talk straight with God. The Jews and Catholics want their priests to be the go to guy with authority.
Yeah I think that the term pope came later. Peter was the first bishop of Rome, but actually James was bishop before Peter was, but I guess Rome is more important than Jerusalem.
Brad
Paul was the first head of the church. The chruch was clusters of believers meeting in homes and where they could because they were in fear of their lives much of the time. This model for the church is in keeping with Christ because it is not the temple or 4 walls that make a church but unity in Christ the head of the church.
What the Catholics did was put back in place the old system. The Catholics look to St. Peter and that was the "church" which grew into what Luther called the great Satan. Recall that Peter had problems with Paul and Paul set Peter straight and they parted ways. Peter continued to slip back into trying to please the Jewish powers and adopting their old traditions. The Catholic church looks like the child of Peter and they claim it is.
fred you first say that peter is the first pope then confirm the paul was the head of the belief factor in the earliest of days – that is what the pope is in essence and that was what i was talking about... i said paul is considered to be the first pope – and this is the reason why... i never said he was the first pope – that is something we can only shoot guesses at.
fred
The question was whether infallibility somehow applies to the writings of Paul. To you and to me, the Catholic hierarchy has no bearing on that.
Poet
Peter was like Bill Gates was to smart phones and Paul would be Steve Jobs. That would make Peter the first “Pope” and Paul the true visionary. Peter used open architecture and brought in the ways of the Jews and Gentiles into the church and Paul remained focused on Christ with a closed operating system.
When Jesus told Peter when you are old you will be led where you do not want to go could that have been the Catholic Church heading down its pathway of hypocrisy away from the teachings of Christ? I know that is not what most theologians think that verse means but hey,.
The day of Pentecost is big and that is when the Holy Spirit came on the Apostles. Peter and gang being filled with the Spirit set off preaching in Jewish traditions. The first 5 years of the Christian church they assembled in precincts of the temple and homes to break bread. This makes Peter the “Pope” and as the first “Pope” he was very fallible. Peter thought one had to first become a Jew before one could become a Christian. Peter stayed in Jerusalem which continued to be the church headquarters. Paul later spread the ministry to Rome and earlier called Peter on the carpet regarding Peter’s errors. If the Pope is infallible Peter by the Catholic Church’s own definition could not have been the first “Pope” yet, the Catholic Church clings to Peter.
The writings and preaching of Paul clearly are in line with what Jesus taught and do not go off message. Peter and the Catholic Church went off message clinging to Jewish traditions which they still do to this day.
The church is the body of Christ so both Peter and Paul are under Christ with the Holy Spirit as guide. That was Paul’s message so Paul himself would not claim to be the pope but point to Christ as pope or head priest.
Our Bible verse poster hasn't posted yet this morning. So, here is one I hope you will enjoy.
2 Chronicles 7:14
King James Version (KJV)
14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Something to look forward to:
No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the LORD.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
Jeremiah 31:34
i don't do bible quotes but i do know the shat between its papes... try this on for size: 1 timothy 2:12 🙂 enjoy your god, if your a man, if not then worship and keep your mouth shut! praise be to god... LOL!
Certainly a man of his times, was Paul:
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. "
@Brad
Perhaps you could provide a quotation (proof) that this is truly in the Bible (KJV not other versions).
Aloha
The verse in question is 1 Timothy 2:12. "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (KJV). I originally quoted the NIV 1984 version.
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Prayer changes things
Are you really planning on spamming every page of every article with this nonsense?
Truth will not be mocked but by a fool. Prayer is the act of talking with and learning from God. Prayer and the encouragement to prayer is a foundation of life and freely available to all through Jesus Christ. Post on !
–The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.
"Truth will not be mocked but by a fool. Prayer is the act of talking with and learning from God. Prayer and the encouragement to prayer is a foundation of life and freely available to all through Jesus Christ. Post on !"
Posting to yourself shows what a fool you truly are.
I don't know how this prayer thing works I prayed for an Aston Martin DB9 last night before I went to bed and I got up this morning and still had a Cavalier.
Could some one tell me what I am doing wrong?
Praying to satisfy your sin nature is prayer in vain.
Prayer is talking with God, no studies are required, no desperation required.
@just sayin
But if god loved me he would help me out.
And when you talk to him what does he say I am very curious about that.
God confirms His word, the Holy Bible when He speaks, God imparts love and salvation when He speaks, God gives wisdom and inspiration when He speaks. God advances knowledge when He speaks. Ask God yourself in prayer, but get to know Him first.
od does not talk through the bible it was written by men and it is interpreted by men. If god thinks it is so important that we love and worship him I think he could find the time to send a messenger down.
No a good way to make money and have control over people is through religion. It is okay that you want your life to have meaning when it really doesn't it is okay that the earth is here by chance and not some divine act.