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Atheist group targets Muslims, Jews with ‘myth’ billboards in Arabic and Hebrew
The American Atheists' president acknowledges that the pair of new billboards will likely cause a stir.
March 1st, 2012
05:00 AM ET

Atheist group targets Muslims, Jews with ‘myth’ billboards in Arabic and Hebrew

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) – The billboard wars between atheists and believers have raged for years now, especially around New York City, and a national atheist group is poised to take the battle a step further with billboards in Muslim and Jewish enclaves bearing messages in Arabic and Hebrew.

American Atheists, a national organization, will unveil the billboards Monday on Broadway in heavily Muslim Paterson, New Jersey and in a heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood, immediately after the Williamsburg Bridge.

“You know it’s a myth … and you have a choice,” the billboards say. The Patterson version is in English and Arabic, and the Brooklyn one in English and Hebrew. To the right of the text on the Arabic sign is the word for God, Allah. To the right of the text on the Hebrew sign is the word for God, Yahweh.

Dave Silverman, the president of American Atheists, said the signs are intended to reach atheists in the Muslim and Jewish enclaves who may feel isolated because they are surrounded by believers.

“Those communities are designed to keep atheists in the ranks,” he says. “If there are atheists in those communities, we are reaching out to them. We are letting them know that we see them, we acknowledge them and they don't have to live that way if they don’t want to.”

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Silverman says the signs advertise the American Atheists’ upcoming convention and an atheist rally, called the Reason Rally, in Washington next month.

Atheists have long pointed to surveys that suggest atheists and agnostics make up between 3% and 4% of the U.S. population. That number increases when Americans unaffiliated with any religion are included. The Pew Center’s U.S. Religious Landscape Survey found that 16% are unaffiliated, though only a fraction of those are avowed atheists and agnostics.

Silverman acknowledges that the pair of new billboards will likely cause a stir.

“People are going to be upset,” he says. “That is not our concern.”

“We are not trying to inflame anything,” he continued. “We are trying to advertise our existence to atheist in those communities. The objective is not to inflame but rather to advertise the atheist movement in the Muslim and Jewish community.”

The billboards will be up for one month and cost American Atheists, based in New Jersey, less than $15,000 each, according to Silverman.

Mohamed Elfilali, executive director of the Islamic Center of Passaic County, laughed when he learned the Arabic billboard would go up in the same town as his office. He says he’s surprised that someone is spending money on such a sign.

“It is not the first and won’t be the last time people have said things about God or religion,” Elfilali says. “I respect people’s opinion about God; obviously they are entitled to it. I don’t think God is a myth, but that doesn’t exclude people to have a different opinion.”

But Elfilali bemoaned the billboards as another example of a hyper-polarized world.

“Sadly, there is a need to polarize society as opposed to build bridges,” he says. “That is the century that we live in. It is very polarized, very politicized.”

The Brooklyn billboard is likely to raise eyebrows among Jews, in part because Orthodox Jews don't write out the name of God, as the billboard does.

“It is an emotional word, there will be an emotional response," said Rabbi Kenneth Brander, dean of Yeshiva University's Center for the Jewish Future. "People will look at it in a bizarre way. People won’t understand why someone needed to write that out.”

To get around the prohibition, Jews usually use only one Hebrew letter in place of the word. In the Torah scroll, though, the word is found and it is pronounced Adonai, which means “my master.”

Rabbi Serge Lippe of the Brooklyn Heights Synagogue was more dismissive than outraged about the billboards.

“The great thing about America is we are marketplace for ideas,” he says. “People put up awful, inappropriate billboards expressing their ideas and that is embraced.”

But Lippe acknowledged that there are a lot of agnostic and atheist Jews. A recent Gallup survey found 53% of Jews identified as nonreligious. Among American Jews, 17% identified as very religious and 30% identified as moderately religious.

“When you have two Jews in the room, you have three opinions,” joked Lippe.

American Atheists have used the word “myth” to describe religion and God on billboards before. Last November, the organization went up with a billboard immediately before the New Jersey entrance to the Lincoln tunnel that showed the three wise men heading to Bethlehem and stated “You KNOW it’s a Myth. This Season, Celebrate Reason.”

At the time, the American Atheists said the billboard was to encourage Atheists to come out of the closet with their beliefs and to dispel the myth that Christianity owns the solstice season.

The Christmas billboard led to a “counter punch” by the Catholic League, a New York-based Catholic advocacy group. The Catholic League put up a competing billboard that said, “You Know It's Real: This Season Celebrate Jesus."

Silverman says his group’s billboard campaigns will continue long into the future.

“There will be more billboards,” Silverman says. “We are not going to be limiting to Muslims and Jews, we are going to be putting up multiple billboards in multiple communities in order to get atheists to come out of the closet.”

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Islam • Judaism • New York • United States

soundoff (5,946 Responses)
  1. Mike from CT

    Billboards, slogans, ethos and beliefs.... follows the definitions of a religion

    March 1, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • Colin

      So, your barb is that atheists are "just as bad as we believers" is it? Interesting insult.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by Colin is an example of setting up a straw man.

      http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/#Straw%20Man

      March 1, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • hippypoet

      Fallacy Spotting 101 –

      fallacy by colin, yes, but its not just a fallacy its more a statment of "really, thats a bs argument" just redone in a fashion of rewording with a condescending overtone...i like it. 🙂

      March 1, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      You really dont know de difference b/n a theory n a fact do you. Va.ginal birth is a fact. Big Bang is an inference from secondary observations hence it is a theorem. atomic theory has been disproven for instance by further observation but can be restored. Va.gi.nal birth is observed directly.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Nii
      Who directly observed God creating the universe?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Mike from CT
      There's a billboards for a used car lot on my route to work. They even have a slogan and, if I ask around, I'm sure I can get a handle on their ethos as well. Not everything that advertises is a religion, right?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Oh Yeah, I couldn't find it right now but I hope to for you. it was a video of Marketing research looking at religions on "how to get a following" or "getting a cult mentality" or something like that. Featured in it was Apple and SAAB.

      So to answer your question. Yes it does.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Good rule of thumb for survival : stay away from bridges that Nii builds.

      March 1, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • GPC

      It's often said that if atheism is a religion then not collecting coins is a hobby. Nice try though.

      March 1, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Scott

      @Coling: No. He's saying you're a bunch of egotistical hypocrites.

      March 1, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Corrso

      @GPC But what do you call it when a bunch of people sit around talking about not collecting coins.... and put up billboards about not collecting coins.... and try to talk to other people about how they shouldn't collect coins.

      March 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • djwazu

      And? Do you think atheists want to kill other people like Christians, Jews, Muslims and Mormons?

      March 1, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • Guest

      reply to GPC – A classic definition of religion is "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons". So, atheism is a religion.

      March 1, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Do you think atheists want to kill other people like Christians, Jews, Muslims and Mormons?
      Yes, see Stalin, Hitler, and even the kid from last weeks Ohio school shooting.

      March 2, 2012 at 8:08 am |
  2. hippypoet

    as much as i like it, they are missing the christian aspect of the myth...no worries, good job folks!

    March 1, 2012 at 8:47 am |
  3. Colin

    Look, whether you believe your great prophet split the Red Sea while afew hundred years old, rose from the dead or rode a magic horsey to Jerusalem and descended into heaven, meeting the other two great prophets on the way, it is all childish, supernatural garbage.

    It's the 21st Century people. Time to drop the Iron Age sky-fairies.

    March 1, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • momoya

      @ Colin

      Yeah, but who cares about all those tiny "lesser lights?" It took god a couple days to work on the earth, but just a few hours to make those twinkley little dots up there.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • momoya

      oops replied to wrong post

      March 1, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • Rich

      And replace it with the new age belief that we can from monkeys I suppose...no wait aliens.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • Colin

      Yes Rich. I hate science, too. There are two theories that are totally accepted by people that really irk me. The first is the theory of evolution and the second is the va.ginal birth of human beings. I’m pleased, Rich, that you pointed out the flaws in the former, so allow me to address the latter.

      It is OBVOIUS to me that storks bring babies! I have never seen a woman giving birth, but I have seen a lot of storks, especially on margarine containers. If you ever go to the beach, you will lots of storks carrying babies. They look just like pelicans because they carry the babies in their mouths. If women gave birth to babies, there would be no need for a navel, but that is how the stork picks the babies up from HEAVEN.

      There is no REAL evidence that women give birth to babies. It is just a THEORY. If they did, why is it that men never give birth to babies? Why just women? Where do boys come from? It makes no sense. Also, why are there only “midwives” and never “mid-husbands”?

      If women gave birth to babies, why are there still women and babies? And why is it you never see a half-woman, half-baby!! Explain that evolutionists and va.ginal birth believers! Bet you CAN’T.

      If you look at a stork, it is INTELLIGENTLY designed to carry babies. Why would that be if it didn’t deliver babies? And what about twins and triplets? What, do some women have 2, or even 3 uteruses? That is stupid. A stork can EASILLY carry two or three babies, but a woman couldn’t.

      Why is it that for every 50 boys born, there are 50 girls. What, can a va.gina count? Ha, how stupid. But a stork could. And, what about all the GAPS in the birth record. One time I took a peek at my mother’s va.gina, and it was so small and babies are SO BIG.

      You evolutionists are so dumb. Your think babies JUST HAPPENED in their mother’s womb. What, do you think they just appeared out of yucky, slimy blood and stuff ? Fred Hoyle once calculated that the chance of a baby spontaneously appearing in a woman’s uterus was the same as a storm blowing through a junkyard and creating a Boing-747. That’s harder to believe than that the stork brought them!

      You might like to think you came from a mere zygote, but I KNOW I came from a glorious stork.

      My father insist that I was born because he banged my mother. I derisively call this the Big Bang theory, because he cannot tell me what happened BEFORE the Big bang. And what caused the Big Bang. It must have been a stork.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • Rich

      Very witty, however...what the *&$# are you talking about?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • Colin

      I endeavored (unsuccesfully it seems) to point out the absurdity of your "talking snake" theory of galactic and geological formation by drawing an analogy with storks delivering babies. Look, you inept simpleton, to get a gauge of just how inane the belief in Adam and Eve is in the 21st Century, here are some areas fundamentalists must ignore, any one of which proves beyond rational argument that, not surprisingly, the World did not start about 6,000 years ago at the behest of the Judeo-Christian god, with one man, one woman and a talking snake.

      First and most obviously is the fossil record. The fossil record is much, much more than just dinosaurs. Indeed, dinosaurs only get the press because of their size, but they make up less than 1% of the entire fossil record. Life had been evolving on Earth for over 3 thousand million years before dinosaurs evolved and has gone on evolving for 65 million years after the Chicxulub meteor wiped them out.

      The fossil record includes the Stromatolites, colonies of prokaryotic bacteria, that range in age going back to about 3 billion years, the Ediacara fossils from South Australia, widely regarded as among the earliest multi-celled organisms, the Cambrian species of the Burgess shale in Canada (circa – 450 million years) the giant scorpions of the Silurian Period, the giant, wingless insects of the Devonian period, the insects, amphibians, reptiles; fishes, clams, crustaceans of the Carboniferous Period, the many precursors to the dinosaurs, the dinosaurs themselves, the subsequent dominant mammals, including the saber tooth tiger, the mammoths of North America and Asia, the fossils of early man in Africa and the Neanderthals of Europe.

      The fossil record shows a consistent and worldwide evolution of life on Earth dating back to about 3,500,000,000 years ago. There are literally millions of fossils that have been recovered, of thousands of different species and they are all located where they would be in the geological record if life evolved slowly over billions of years. None of them can be explained by a 6,000 year old Earth and Noah’s flood. Were they all on the ark? What happened to them when it docked?

      A Tyrannosaurus Rex ate a lot of food – meat- which means its food would itself have to have been fed, like the food of every other carnivore on the ark. A bit of “back of the envelope” math quickly shows that “Noah’s Ark” would actually have to have been an armada of ships bigger than the D Day invasion force, manned by thousands and thousands of people – and this is without including the World’s 300,000 current species of plants, none of which could walk merrily in twos onto the Ark.

      Secondly, there are those little things we call oil, natural gas and other fossil fuels. Their mere existence is another, independent and fatal blow to the creationists. Speak to any geologist who works for Exxon Mobil, Shell or any of the thousands of mining, oil or natural gas related companies that make a living finding fossil fuels. They will tell you these fossil fuels take millions of years to develop from the remains of large forests (in the case of coal) or tiny marine creatures (in the case of oil). That’s why they are called fossil fuels. Have a close look at coal, you can often see the fossilized leaves in it. The geologists know exactly what rocks to look for fossil fuels in, because they know how to date the rocks to millions of years ago. Creationists have no credible explanation for this (nor for why most of it was “given to the Muslims”).

      Thirdly, most of astronomy and cosmology would be wrong if the creationists were right. In short, as Einstein showed, light travels at a set speed. Space is so large that light from distant stars takes many years to reach the Earth. In some cases, this is millions or billions of years. The fact that we can see light from such far away stars means it began its journey billions of years ago. The Universe must be billions of years old. We can currently see galaxies whose light left home 13.7 billion years ago. Indeed, on a clear night, one can see many stars more than 6,000 light years away with the naked eye, shining down like tiny silent witnesses against the nonsense of creationism.

      Fourthly, we have not just carbon dating, but also all other methods used by scientists to date wood, rocks, fossils, and other artifacts. These comprehensively disprove the Bible’s claims. They include uranium-lead dating, potassium-argon dating as well as other non-radioactive methods such as pollen dating, dendrochronology and ice core dating. In order for any particular rock, fossil or other artifact to be aged, generally two or more samples are dated independently by two or more laboratories in order to ensure an accurate result. If results were random, as creationists claim, the two independent results would rarely agree. They generally do. They regularly reveal ages much older than Genesis. Indeed, the Earth is about 750,000 times older than the Bible claims.

      Fifthly, the relatively new field of DNA mapping not only convicts criminals, it shows in undeniable, full detail how we differ from other life forms on the planet. For example, about 98.4% of human DNA is identical to that of chimpanzees, about 97% of human DNA is identical to that of gorillas, and slightly less again of human DNA is identical to the DNA of monkeys. This gradual divergence in DNA can only be rationally explained by the two species diverging from a common ancestor, and coincides perfectly with the fossil record. Indeed, scientists can use the percentage of DNA that two animal share (such as humans and bears, or domestic dogs and wolves) to get an idea of how long ago the last common ancestor of both species lived. It perfectly corroborates the fossil record and is completely independently developed. It acts as yet another fatal blow to the “talking snake” theory.

      Sixthly, the entire field of historical linguistics would have to be rewritten to accommodate the Bible. This discipline studies how languages develop and diverge over time. For example, Spanish and Italian are very similar and have a recent common “ancestor” language, Latin, as most people know. However, Russian is quite different and therefore either did not share a common root, or branched off much earlier in time. No respected linguist anywhere in the World traces languages back to the Tower of Babel, the creationists’ explanation for different languages. Indeed, American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, “true” Indians, Chinese, Mongols, Ja.panese, Sub-Saharan Africans and the Celts and other tribes of ancient Europe were speaking thousands of different languages thousands of years before the date creationist say the Tower of Babel occurred – and even well before the date they claim for the Garden of Eden.

      Seventhly, lactose intolerance is also a clear vestige of human evolution. Most mammals only consume milk as infants. After infancy, they no longer produce the enzyme “lactase” that digests the lactose in milk and so become lactose intolerant. Humans are an exception and can drink milk as adults – but not all humans – some humans remain lactose intolerant. So which humans are no longer lactose intolerant? The answer is those who evolved over the past few thousand years raising cows. They evolved slightly to keep producing lactase as adults so as to allow the consumption of milk as adults. This includes most Europeans and some Africans, notably the Tutsi of Rwanda. On the other hand, most Chinese, native Americans and Aboriginal Australians, whose ancestors did not raise cattle, remain lactose intolerant.

      I could go on and elaborate on a number of other disciplines or facts that creationists have to pretend into oblivion to retain their faith, including the Ice Ages, cavemen and early hominids, much of microbiology, paleontology and archeology, continental drift and plate tectonics, even large parts of medical research (medical research on monkeys and mice only works because they share a common ancestor with us and therefore our fundamental cell biology and basic body architecture is identical to theirs).

      In short, and not surprisingly, the World’s most gifted evolutionary biologists, astronomers, cosmologists, geologists, archeologists, paleontologists, historians, modern medical researchers and linguists (and about 2,000 years of accu.mulated knowledge) are right and a handful of Iron Age Middle Eastern goat herders were wrong.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • Rich

      Do you think I'm actually gonna read that?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:23 am |

    • Now you know, Colin, that Satan is able to set up the world in most any way he pleases in order to deceive you. Satan invented radioactivity, so decay series are no good at dating anything. The fossil record is plainly just more of his lies. Red shifts and the dating of the universe, there is a common theme here. Everything you have been deceived by is a perversion of some natural part of the Creation. Learn to recognize the works of Satan.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • Colin

      No Rich, I don't. I expect you don't read a lot. There are many people who follow these argument and it was posted as much for them as you. There's really no need to read it, or anything else. Once you've read Genesis in the Bible, you have all the history, biology, astronomy, cosmology, archeology and paleontolgy you will ever need.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • Rich

      So, whose your Daddy, monkeys or aliens, you never did say.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • Colin

      If you mean the immediate ancestor of h.omo sapiens, it is likely h.omo erectus, an African hominim. If, by "aliens" you mean the minority scientific view that the building blocks for life, or even life itself, originated elsewhere in the cosmos and arrived on Earth through the actions of meteors, comets or an asteriod during the Pre-Cambian period, it is too early to tell. We don't have enough evidence. It is plausible, but not backed up by enough evidence yet.

      Terrestrial abiogenesis remains the OJ Simpson of suspects as to the origins of life on Earth.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • Rich

      Ok, granted...you can bust my chops for believing in the "sky fairy". But dude, we came from aliens? You've watched too much Transformers or Indiana Jones don't you think?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Rich

      No, wait...Planet of the Apes

      March 1, 2012 at 9:52 am |
    • wow

      "Satan is able to set up the world in most any way he pleases in order to deceive you. Satan invented radioactivity, so decay series are no good at dating anything. The fossil record is plainly just more of his lies."

      LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's hysterical knowing that delusional people like this actually exist in the world. Wow! You should be locked up in a loony bin.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Rich and "no name" –

      You have every right to be as ignorant as you want. But wearing that ignorance as a badge of honor is just sad.

      March 1, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Mulehead

      Colin – That was probably the best post i've read – ever. Well done, Sir. I certainly hope you're an educator – we need more minds like yours.

      March 1, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • WASP

      @rich: well you believe an extraterrestrial created everything. extraterrestrial by definition:" originating, existing, or occurring outside the earth or its atmosphere." if "god" or gods created humans then they would have not be from earth so they are extraterrestrials. a.k.a. aliens.

      March 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • The Bobinator

      I pity people who have fallen for the Rich troll. I mean, he's not even that good.

      Rich, why are you trolling faith forums? I mean, it's so easy. But you really need to work on your form. Remember, trolling isn't about disagreeing and getting them to reply. True trolling is walking the fine line between absurdity and believability.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Brandon

      Rich- Why is the thought of Aliens that far fetched to you? We have evidence all around us. The Obelisk in Egypt, Stone works in Machu Picchu. The obelisk has carvings on it down to 1/100th of an inch. And archaeologists say it was done with crude bronze tools attached to sticks with leather straps. We have stone work with "boxes inside boxes" Stone masons to this day say they cannot reproduce. These things are over 4,000 years old.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Jerry Bergman from Why Abiogenesis is Impossible. “Abiogenesis is only one area of research which illustrates that the naturalistic origin of life hypothesis has become less and less probable as molecular biology has progressed, and is now at the point that its plausibility appears outside the realm of probability. Numerous origin-of-life researchers, have lamented the fact that molecular biology during the past half-a-century has not been very kind to any naturalistic origin-of-life theory. Perhaps this explains why researchers now are speculating that other events such as panspermia or an undiscovered “life law” are more probable than all existing terrestrial abiogenesis theories, and can better deal with the many seemingly insurmountable problems of abiogenesis.”

      March 1, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • MM

      Excellent posts Colin. I really enjoyed reading them. Do you mind if I save the text. I might like to read that again in the future. I am so happy that others think like I do.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Scott

      Sure Colin, it's much more sensible to believe that something as complex as the universe just created itself out of nothing. (rolleyes)

      March 1, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Scott

      I love it when unintelligent people like Colin attempt to apply what little knowledge they have to GOD – the creator of said knowledge. You really thing that God can create fully adult humans, animals, and plants, but He can't create an Earth with fossilized artifacts? Give me some of what you're smoking, big shot.

      March 1, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Greg s

      So says the Great and magnificent Colin. All of what you say works for you Colin because you have worked it all out in your head and decided to believe your own personnel religion of Colin. There is no God. Life came into being by random chance.....lots and lots and lots of random chance. But this belief of yours just doesn't work for me, To many coincidences to number is just more then I can believe in, But good luck with it!!!

      March 1, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • boom

      yeah everyone know Neanderthals evolved from monkeys but ho mo sapiens were created by the divine one... duh

      March 1, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • djwazu

      Amen! lol

      March 1, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • jtarver

      As Einsein pointed out, quantum mechanics and relativity prove "a sentient being outside the univetrse is required to make the universe real.".

      March 1, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • ILoveJesus

      I would just like to chime in to say that I think it's absolutely adorable, "Colin," that you think that you are going to sway me from my God over the internet. Maybe, instead of trolling Cnn's website, you should sit back for a moment and think about why you may be so afraid of something greater than yourself and try, just for a second try to think about God not as a religion but a relationship. Crazy right?
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&w=640&h=360]

      March 1, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Cyaphas

      Rich, I assume you have someone in your family you're not proud of... Think of chimps as a weetodded distant, distant, distant cousin. The thing we evolved from could shred most things walking this earth including a pack of wolves. So, don't be too embarrassed!

      March 3, 2012 at 4:03 am |
  4. syzito

    People believe because without a fantasy world mythical view of reality they can't function.Muslims are by far worst than any Christian group in that they think killing people that don't accept their mythology is gods will.Their prophet,Mohammad, was a murdering mad man that also was a pedophile. Atheist need to confront all religious believers and force them to defend their silly and irrational beliefs.

    March 1, 2012 at 8:36 am |

    • confront? force?? This seems so unlike the atheists I know.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • Greg s

      Hey I functioned just fine for 40 years believing random chance created me and the universe, But then God hit me right between the eyes and I changed my mind. You need to drop this rant about mindlessly following a fairy tell to a Believer God is very real as real as the Scientific hypotheses you all follow so mindlessly.

      March 1, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • JojofromNono

      You're accusing Mohammed of pedophilia? It's not like catholic priests have ever committed pedophilia. Not only that, but they purposelly denied that it happened, going all the way up to the pope. I would never ever leave a child alone with a priest but I probably would with an imam.

      March 1, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
  5. Leo

    Abiogenesis (Life from Non-Life) is a Myth, and has never been proven by science, yet it is the great hope of all atheists!

    Their Hypocrisy is clear as they now proselytize they have become just like those that they claim are so wrong!!

    March 1, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • jimtanker

      Wow, another fundiot that has no idea how science works. Dont bother trying to educate this one.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • mikey

      Nothing doesn't start something.
      In order for anything to exist, there had to be something that started everything in the first place.

      No, two "rocks" collided and created everything, that makes no logical sense at least to me.

      I agree with you Leo.
      "big bang theory" is like a kids rea

      March 1, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • Colin

      Yes, a 13,720,000,000 year old sky-fairy makes much more sense. I agree with JimTanker. You are too far gone to be worth discussing with.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • Colin

      Yes Mikey, 6 days and a magic talking snake is clearly the best theory we have for galactic formation.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      MIkey said "Nothing doesn't start from something" There are only 2 possibilities to explain the existance of the universe today:

      1. The universe has always existed.
      2. God has always existed and created the universe.

      Both statements assume something had no beginning, be that the universe or a God. You may ask, "where did the universe come from?" Well I ask, "where did God come from?" The funny thing is that both answers would be it/He just always existed. Why is your answer more rational than mine?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • Leo

      There is simply two choices Life from non-life or creation.

      Life from non life takes just as much "Faith" as Creation.

      I don't expect any of you to prove me wrong because you can't.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • mikey

      Scientist's have said the universe is a certain amount of billions or trillions years old...it is ever expanding faster than light travels. The universe had a starting point.

      When we all do stand before God, I don't think this question will be important.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • just sayin

      50 years ago science had estimated the universe to be a few million years old at the most. Now science estimates the universe to be billions of years old. Creation sure put on some age in 50 years.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      You are BOTH assuming space-time "always" existed. If these dimensions did not, then "always" and "before" and "existed" are meaningless terms. The universe(s) are NOT necessarily "intuitive".

      March 1, 2012 at 9:18 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      I don't expect to change your ind on God. BUt the "big bang" was only the beginning of the 3 dimensional space we observe today. The "universe" consists of much more. BUT, you still insist, "God had no beginning." My question is how is that more rational than the statement, "the universe had no beginning."?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Just Sayin'
      You're just lyin' again.
      NASA scientists estimated the age of universe to be 10-25 billion years in 1965.
      Since then, we hav emore data for a more accurate estimate.
      The Hubble Key Project, conducted by the Hubble Space Telescope from 1991 to 2000, nailed down the value of the Hubble Constant and hence the age of the Universe. Results from the WMAP satellite further confirmed and refined the age of the Universe to be 13.7 billion years.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      "Nothing doesn't start something.
      In order for anything to exist, there had to be something that started everything in the first place."

      Then please tell us what started your god? If everything needed something to start it, your god also did. All we as Atheists say is that no-one possibly knows what happened before the Big Bang, christards and believers alike tend to plug in the god factor instead of taking the honest stance and admitting they don't know. Then again the god of the gaps argument is used by believers all the time to pretend they have answers when in reality they have no more of an answer than we do.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • Primewonk

      WOW – there is a lot of ignorance in some of these posts.

      "proven by science" – for the bajillionth time, science doesn't prove thinks, it explains things. If you can't get even the most basic concepts of science right, there isn't much hope you will get the more complicated things right.

      "nothing doesn't start something" – Except, of course, this isn't what science states. It is however, typical of lies creationists post.

      " There are only 2 possibilities to explain the existance of the universe today: – the universe alays existed or "goddidit". "- Except, of course, this is another creationist lie. This universe has existed for 13.7 billion years. Time, as we know it, began with the expansion of the singularity. As such, there is no way we can know what happened before time started.

      " 50 years ago science had estimated the universe to be a few million years old at the most. " – This, of course, is another lie. 50 years ago, the age of the universe was already known to bebillions and billions of years old. Using the Hubble constant, the estimate then was 25 billion or so. As we've refined the constant, and added what we've learned from Cosmic background radiation, we now put the universe at 13.7 billion years old.

      Seriously! Do any of you fundiots every crack open a science journal? These posts are an excellent example of what happens when you get your "sciency" sounding information from "Pastor Dave" instead of real science sources. The problem is that "Pastor Dave" is just as ignorant about science as his minions.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Randy

      What you people are forgetting about abiogenisis, is the same thing most people dont understand about the big bang. THERE ARE AN INFINITE NUMBER OF CHANCES. Statistically speaking, almost anything is possible. Life on earth may very well be a freak accident, much like the formation of the universe.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • MM

      Mikey – before the Big Bang there could have been another universe like ours or one completely different. Most likely the particles around today have gone through several Big Bangs during their existence. This doesn't take into account that we may actually be living in a multiverse.

      March 1, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • Greg s

      Yep I think 6 days and a talking snake does make as much sense as Mans best guess at how the universe was created, Yes Colin your Belief is based on a best Guess science can offer. Yours is a Guess and mine is a Hunch how is yours better then mine.

      March 1, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  6. mikey

    LOL These atheist will be the start of another war.

    This will provoke some people, to me personally this doesn't affect me.

    March 1, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • momoya

      How do you figure?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • mikey

      You honestly don't see how this can stir up conflict in these communites?

      For real?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • momoya

      You honestly don't understand the difference between "conflict" in a neighborhood and "war?" Seriously? 

      Yeah, why don't you try to explain how a billboard with a few words on it "will be the start of another war." Seriously.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • mikey

      You never heard of the term exaggeration?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • momoya

      Are you saying that you exaggerated in your opening post and didn't say so in your first reply?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • mikey

      That's exactly what I'm saying.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • momoya

      Why? (for both actions)

      March 1, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • Primewonk

      So, if fundiots (fundamentalist ldiots) – be they Christian, Muslim, or Jew – try and turn us into a theocracy, and start a new civil war, it will be the fault of atheists for not laying down and dieing quietly?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Doug

      Do you have the same reaction when you see a billboard encouraging people to attend a particular church?

      I personally don't see much value in these billboards, but if they create conflict, it is only because we live in a society where people are generally comfortable hearing others express religious beliefs (or at least Christian beliefs), but get angry or uncomfortable with people expressing lack of religious beliefs.

      March 1, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
  7. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    March 1, 2012 at 8:21 am |

    • I wondered when you'd be along.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • Prayer changes things

      Sweet hour of prayer

      March 1, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • bigot

      yeah...chemicals in your brain maybe

      March 1, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • Primewonk

      Spam! Spam! Spam! Spam!
      Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
      Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam.
      Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
      Spam spam spam spam!

      March 1, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • just sayin

      Truth Wonderful Truth

      March 1, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • Jesus

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • jonny

      What things did it change?

      March 1, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  8. Yes Really

    The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”
    They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds;
    There is no one who does good.

    Psalm 14:1

    March 1, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • jimtanker

      You cant use your fairy tales to try to proove your point. It is a work of fiction and therefore unusable.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      So says a book, fighting desperately against reason even in the time it was written.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • just sayin

      The work quoted is as valid a source of information and Truth as anything that can be provided.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • jimtanker

      I can quote nonsensical bible quotes too.

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:41 am |

    • Now that's practical advice, jimtanker.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • bigot

      "The work quoted is as valid a source of information and Truth as anything that can be provided."

      Not when most scholars believe the people who wrote about jesus never knew him, only wrote about hi 40+ years after his death. Speculation is not a valid source of information.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Mike from CT

      http://www.lookinguntojesus.net/ata20040125.htm

      All country's take plunders of war, why do you not have an issue when the colonist did it?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • bigot

      "All country's take plunders of war, why do you not have an issue when the colonist did it?"

      Do you consider taking plunders of war MORAL?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • just sayin

      bigot hard to not know someone you touch with your hands isn't it?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • just sayin

      I like when Samson slew 1000 Philistines with the jawbone of an atheist .

      March 1, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Yes you do, because you have no issue living in the land that the col.on.ist pi.lla.ged and ra .pe for

      The issue is not if it is moral but is it his.to.ri.cally acc.ur.ate.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • just sayin

      Those challenging the moral value of scripture tend to focus in on a few sentences taken out of context, and they never consider the why. There are reasons given as to why things were done in a specific way.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Jiimtanker and the Bible again. Jiim quote the passage. Its not enough to quote the verse if u r arguing. Leo wasn't. u were.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • Primewonk

      Thank you for the random meaningless verse from your holy book. In the spirit of fairness, here are some verses from my holy book – the Primewonk Bible. I happen to think that these verses make a lot more sense than your verses –

      ADVISORY: There is an Extremely Small but Nonzero Chance That, Through a Process Know as "Tunneling," This Post May Spontaneously Disappear from Its Present Location and Reappear at Any Random Place in the Universe, Including Your Neighbor's Domicile. God Will Not Be Responsible for Any Damages or Inconvenience That May Result.

      PUBLIC NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY LAW: Any Use of This Post, in Any Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Believer Is Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the Universe.

      Einstein 16:24 Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

      Gould 1:15-16 Human consciousness arose but a minute before midnight on the geological clock. Yet we mayflies try to bend an ancient world to our purposes, ignorant perhaps of the messages buried in its long history. Let us hope that we are still in the early morning of our April day.

      Bohr 2:11 Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it.

      Szilard 88:16 I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.

      Sagan 22:1 For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.

      Feynman 110:55 …it doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are - if it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.

      Hawking 41:61 A machine that was powerful enough to accelerate particles to the grand unification energy would have to be as big as the Solar System-and would be unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate.

      Hippocrates 14:5 Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.

      Galileo 12:16 It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved

      Carlyle 2:2 It is a mathematical fact that the casting of this pebble from my hand alters the centre of gravity of the universe.

      Fermi 1:1 The weak nuclear force does not change over time.

      Oliver Heaviside 62:3 Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?

      C. P. Snow 5:3 Innocence about Science is the worst crime today.

      Paul Valéry 3:6 One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall.

      A.C. Doyle 14:8 It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.

      Clark 19:17 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

      Roddenberry 68:12 We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:35 am |
    • Qualia

      "All country's take plunders of war, why do you not have an issue when the colonist did it?"

      It was wrong then too.

      Of course, we're not taking issue with the actual barbarians taking plunders of war. What's at issue is that this was a divine edict straight from the mouth of Jehovah the war-god himself. The god which told us to love our neighbors as ourselves also is the god which punished Isreal when they didn't fully complete their genocidal warfare in the promised land.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Don't confuse, God setting a people apart for himself to make His name sake to be known to all the universe verses salvation and the inclusion of all people through Jesus Christ our Lord.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • LetsThink123

      @Mike from CT
      The bible is flawed. The only way you could think it is 100% true and the divine word of god is because of your delusion.
      Let's pick the book of genesis as a very simple example for u to understand.
      Science says: The Sun is much much older than the earth. Agree? Everyone knows this and science explains it. The sun is about 4.57 billion years old, while the earth is 4.54 billion years old. The 0.03 billion years difference is large (30 million years)!
      However, in genesis, on the 1st day god created the earth. And on the fourth day (three days later), he created the sun and the stars. This is a huge error! Why would god create the sun after the earth? It's because genesis is a fairytale myth, and science proves otherwise. A supposed god who created everything got it all wrong in his book. Hmm... how could that be?
      There are other problems too. For instance, as mentioned earlier, god creates the sun + stars on the 4th day after the earth was created. We also know from science that some stars were around much before our own solar system and sun existed. I can go on with the errors made by 'god' in genesis, but i'll leave it at that and wait for ur logical response to this contradiction since you seem to have all the answers.

      March 1, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      The sun is about 4.57 billion years old, while the earth is 4.54 billion years old. The 0.03 billion years difference is large (30 million years)!

      If you are so fixed on these dates then even if I could explain it using your math you would still argue that it wasn't created in "a day" so let's not go too far down that smoke screen. I would ask that you remember even by your own admission that those dates are approximate best guesses based upon, mineral content, light ana.lysis, and numerous theories which, like God, can never be proven just evidence pointing us in that direction.

      Given that, even if there is a 1% error in the number, not a stretch because these numbers usually have a 3%-5% margin of error in them. That would make the sun 4.525 Billion Years vs Earths 4.54 Billion Years

      I will leave you with a couple of questions

      “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
      3 Dress for action like a man;
      I will question you, and you make it known to me.
      4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
      Tell me, if you have understanding.
      5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
      Or who stretched the line upon it?
      6 On what were its bases sunk,
      or who laid its cornerstone,
      7 when the morning stars sang together
      and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
      8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors
      when it burst out from the womb,
      9 when I made clouds its garment
      and thick darkness its swaddling band,
      10 and prescribed limits for it
      and set bars and doors,
      11 and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
      and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?
      12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began,
      and caused the dawn to know its place,
      13 that it might take hold of the skirts of the earth,
      and the wicked be shaken out of it?
      14 It is changed like clay under the seal,
      and its features stand out like a garment.
      15 From the wicked their light is withheld,
      and their uplifted arm is broken.
      16 “Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
      or walked in the recesses of the deep?
      17 Have the gates of death been revealed to you,
      or have you seen the gates of deep darkness?
      18 Have you comprehended the expanse of the earth?
      Declare, if you know all this.
      19 “Where is the way to the dwelling of light,
      and where is the place of darkness,
      20 that you may take it to its territory
      and that you may discern the paths to its home?
      21 You know, for you were born then,
      and the number of your days is great!
      22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow,
      or have you seen the storehouses of the hail,
      23 which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
      for the day of battle and war?
      24 What is the way to the place where the light is distributed,
      or where the east wind is scattered upon the earth?
      25 “Who has cleft a channel for the torrents of rain
      and a way for the thunderbolt,
      26 to bring rain on a land where no man is,
      on the desert in which there is no man,
      27 to satisfy the waste and desolate land,
      and to make the ground sprout with grass?
      28 “Has the rain a father,
      or who has begotten the drops of dew?
      29 From whose womb did the ice come forth,
      and who has given birth to the frost of heaven?
      30 The waters become hard like stone,
      and the face of the deep is frozen.
      31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades
      or loose the cords of Orion?
      32 Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season,
      or can you guide the Bear with its children?
      33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens?
      Can you establish their rule on the earth?
      34 “Can you lift up your voice to the clouds,
      that a flood of waters may cover you?
      35 Can you send forth lightnings, that they may go
      and say to you, ‘Here we are’?
      36 Who has put wisdom in the inward parts
      or given understanding to the mind?
      37 Who can number the clouds by wisdom?
      Or who can tilt the waterskins of the heavens,
      38 when the dust runs into a mass
      and the clods stick fast together?
      39 “Can you hunt the prey for the lion,
      or satisfy the appet.ite of the young lions,
      40 when they crouch in their dens
      or lie in wait in their thicket?
      41 Who provides for the raven its prey,
      when its young ones cry to God for help,
      and wander about for lack of food?

      Now please don't get my intention incorrect, by all means ask questions, please, but do not put yourself in a position that you "Know" the creation of the universe, that is a dangerous place to be.
      Also because I know it is coming "But Mike you assume you know that creation of the universe, isn't that hypocritical", No, I do not know how it was created I am just taking it on God's authority that it was created in that manner, not relying on my own opinions as authority

      March 1, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  9. momoya

    Lemme guess, this is another example of atheist "hatred" and "bigotry" according to the fundiots.

    March 1, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Of course it is...yet they think it is okay to put up billboards that mislead young people. When we do it, they get upset. Can't have us ruin their delusions now, can they?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:13 am |

    • I've experienced nothing but peaceful sentiments, respect and goodwill from the atheists here. I wish them all the best.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • jimtanker

      TP,

      I believe that fundiots like you are putting up billboards that say "REPENT, Trust in Jesus" is misleading people.

      There is a billboard that says just that right outside of the Hustler Club here.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:28 am |

    • I feel compelled to ask – ignore me if you want – why are you in the Hustler Club at 8:28 in the morning?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:33 am |
    • jimtanker

      Hey dummy, I'm not at the Hustler club. I drove by it (it's right next to the freeway) two weeks ago.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @jimtanker: I'm an Atheist not a christian! My point is that christians feel it is okay to put up their billboards for all the young minds to read but the second an Atheist group does, they cry foul.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:48 am |
  10. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    Added assistance for a great endeavor: Part III

    o http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
    o
    Religion………………………… Adherents

    Christianity ……………………..2.1 billion

    Islam…………………………… 1.5 billion

    Irreligious/agnostic/atheism..... 1.1 billion

    Hinduism 900 million
    Chinese traditional religion 394 million
    Buddhism 376 million
    Animist religions 300 million
    African traditional/diasporic religions 100 million
    Sikhism 23 million
    Juche 19 million
    Spiritism 15 million

    Judaism…………………………………….. 14 million

    Baha'i 7 million
    Jainism 4.2 million
    Shinto 4 million
    Cao Dai 4 million
    Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
    Tenrikyo 2 million
    Neo-Paganism 1 million
    Unitarian Universalism 800,000
    Rastafari Movement 600,000

    March 1, 2012 at 7:56 am |
    • Cyrus

      Cyrusism -------– 365

      March 1, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Reality

      Cyrus,

      Good one !!

      March 1, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  11. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    Added assistance for a great endeavor: Part II

    origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

    New Torah For Modern Minds

    “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

    The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

    March 1, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • .....

      report abuse on every garbage post from reality

      March 1, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Why does one guy trying to publish his book for profit hold more weight in your mind, 2000 years removed from the event. Then the eye witnesses of the event who's writings have transcended all cultures and all times?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • Rich

      Didn't the Rabbi's kill Jesus? I'm not sure his opinion is unbiased.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:45 am |
    • Reality

      The New York Times article is a review of the New Torah for Modern Minds , called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), It was written by the rabbiS of Conservative Judaism (1.5 million members). Please read the review again.

      March 1, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Why does one "organization"... the rest of the question is the same.

      March 2, 2012 at 8:10 am |
  12. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    Added assistance in a great endeavor: Part I

    -from the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi–

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

    March 1, 2012 at 7:51 am |
  13. Great! Now everyone wants to save me.

    March 1, 2012 at 7:14 am |

    • Save you from what, exactly? Most anyone would at least pee on you if you were on fire.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:29 am |
  14. Colin

    Cool, we are now attacking more silly superst.itions.

    March 1, 2012 at 7:06 am |
  15. M. m

    Mr Silverman, the second part : and you have a choice is poorly translated into Arabic or yet it is a strict translation which really doesn't make too much sense in the Arabic language.
    The first part in Arabic " its a myth" is good but work on the second part which is "and you have a choice" in arabic doesn't resonate due to poor understanding.
    I hope Mr Silverman reads thiese comments. I suggest for the Arabic sign it says when translated in Arabic :" You know it's a myth, or atleast you will know later. Question Everything"

    That would resonate better Mr Silverman. I would be more than willing to help because I can make you understand what the Arabic mind frame feels most confused about regarding God- and it's not the same as in Western societies.
    Fell free to contact me at mtimes2011@gmail.com

    March 1, 2012 at 7:03 am |
  16. Ahmad Ameen

    Thanks Mr Silverman of American Athiests. We really need to hear your voice in the Muslim communities which have formed a conscious mafia even in American society

    March 1, 2012 at 6:56 am |
  17. Joxer the Mighty

    And the atheists say they don't proselytize.

    March 1, 2012 at 5:45 am |
    • anarchic teapot

      Because atheism is something to be ashamed of? Seriously, both Christianity and Islam are evangelical religions. It would be hypocritical of their followers to object to other philosophies proclaiming that they are prepared to welcome new members.

      Oh wait...

      March 1, 2012 at 7:14 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      We got the joke a long time ago! lol

      March 1, 2012 at 7:42 am |
  18. Nii Croffie

    The Natural sciences uses the five rational sciences and instruments based on them to explore the natural. Judaeo-Christianity uses the five rational senses and the sixth sense based on them to explore the spiritual. Both use the Scientific Method aka childlike faith.

    March 1, 2012 at 5:31 am |
    • JD

      I always tell students that if they want to be taken seriously, then they should write in clear legible English. In your case I don't think it would make much difference.

      March 1, 2012 at 6:01 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      OK as u r busy marking my script, how are u feeling today? I have no intention of being your student. Not now not ever.

      March 1, 2012 at 6:54 am |
    • JohnR

      Keep telling yourself that, Nii. One day you may believe your own BS. But rational people won't.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:02 am |
    • Bobby

      You have a sixth sense? Tell me, what do ghosts look like?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Bo

      @JD I would like to read a good essay as to what and why atheism would make a difference in the world. The way I see it, in countries where atheism is predominant it isn’t so good.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ bo
      You mean like Sweden with free health care and some of the lowest crime rates in Europe? Because I'd say that's pretty good.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Most Swedes are atheist, agnostic and non-practising Lutherans with membership cards. I think u need plenty of billboards there. As I said the Bible can teach you even if you doubt. And the Christian Church is as good a club as any. Secular atheists are very few there too. LEARNING IS LEARNING!

      March 1, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • MarcTTF

      @Bo

      I would like to see your list of countries where atheism is prominent and have you explain what it wrong with them.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Unfortunately I have not seen Ghosts. Questions on the sixth sense can be solved by reading THINK AND GROW RICH. The Bible also does not believe in them.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Colin

      According to a recent Gallup poll , the ten most religious states in the USA are, in order starting with the most religious; Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, Georgia, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Kentucky and Texas. Of these, every single one except Kentucky is regularly rated below or well below the national average in mathematical and scientific education. They are also among the poorest and most corrupt.

      The ten least religious, according to the same poll, are Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Massachusetts, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Rhode Island, Nevada, and Connecticut.

      The same is true internationally, with a recent Gallup poll indicating that Egypt, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Congo, Sierra Leone, Malawi, Senegal, Djibouti and Morocco are the most religious countries in the World. Think about how poor and corrupt they are. There is a clear and recognized correlation between religiosity and corruption. It is not strong, but it is there. The least corrupt countries also tend to correlate have the largest number of atheists and agnostics Including Sweden, Denmark, Luxamburg, Australia).

      But correlation does not necessarily equal causation and I do not venture as far as to say that religion causes corruption. I think that the paucity of mental power that causes people to still believe in sky-fairies carries over to other aspects of how they manage their state/country.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • Bo

      @Colin and MarcTTF and any others: I’m sorry, you are right, I believe I really should have not said “predominantly atheistic” but rather,"governments with atheistic leaders, or country governments” that make an effort to control religious beliefs. Actually, the atheistic population of the world, as a whole, is very low. I have heard too many horror stories of how religious people have been treated in countries where the government makes an effort to control religious beliefs.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:28 am |
  19. Nii Croffie

    Truth is de Torah, Tanahk, Bible n Quran even if not true r de most beautiful pieces of applied Psychoanalytic n Psychology texts ever written. If you practise them even in sceptic mode they help better ur life. Why throw away learning cos someone thinks its a Hebrew myth n accept the Greek myths.

    March 1, 2012 at 5:21 am |
  20. Nii Croffie

    So Atheists now know there r atheist Jews, Xtians n Muslims? Wow! I knew that at six. Most of them r very happy being non-religious believers too. Their opinions r very welcome. It is what helps us against secular atheists all de time. Secular Atheists will always be a tiny minority of minority.

    March 1, 2012 at 5:15 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Nii Nii,
      99.999 % believed the world was flat.
      U r smart enough to draw ur own conclusion from that.
      (Argumentum ad populum fallacy....but we know they don't teach THAT at MIT now, do they ?)

      March 1, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • JohnR

      Just because this outreach is new doesn't mean that the knowledge behind it is. You seem to be positively gleeful in your habit of jumping to erroneous conclusions.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Dumb and dumber: Nii didn't go to MIT...apparently he went to DLMTS-ADA, Accra but a quick search shows that this does not exist as a school. So as always we have been shown that Nii is not honest.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • JohnR

      Yeah, either Yahweh has gotten lax about the whole bearing false witness thing or a LOT of Christians don't just sin, but revel in it. Nii appears to be a typical Christian, ie a pathological liar.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      No Nii, didn't you read the article? More than half of American Jews said that they are non-religious which means that they must at least have some degree of doubt regarding the existence of a God who would evaluate their faith based on their level of observance, right?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      I went to the Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology for my Civil Eng degree. DLMTS-ADA is the Diocesan Lay Ministerial Training School of the Anglican Diocese of Accra,Ghana. That is where I got my Pastoral and Theology certificates. Any mire lies to spread. Amorality=Immorality.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      I doubt the existence of God sometimes but I still won't become an atheist. You know why? Without doubt there can't be faith. The fact that there is an irreligious Jew does not mean what u r implying at all. Love your neighbor as yourself was by Moses not Jesus. He only underlined its importnce.

      March 1, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • Bo

      How can a person be a Jew[ish] or a Muslim and an atheist? The very names implies that they believe in a god. It is like calling a ‘Christian’ an atheist.
      Now there could be some argument about being a ‘Jew[ish]’ because it is really difficult to pin down a definition for "Jew[ish]", some think being ‘Jew[ish]‘’ is a religion, some think it is an ethnic group, and some think it is both.
      Bill Handle, talk show host of KFI in Los Angels; is Jewish, but claims it is impossible to be a ‘Jew[ish]’ and a ‘Christian’ at the same time. If it is impossible to be a ‘Jew[ish]’ and a ‘Christian’ at the same time, it follows that it is impossible to be a ‘Jew[ish]’ and atheist at the same time. (He, Bill Handel, says that he is ‘agnostic’; I would think that is is impossible also.)

      March 1, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • MarcTTF

      @Nii Croffie
      “I doubt the existence of God sometimes”

      I find that very interesting coming from you. What is it that gives you reason to doubt?

      March 1, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • Nii Croffie

      Children ask question and learn. Adults keep quiet even in ignorance because of shame. I ask questions of my faith of the parts I doubt. That is childlike faith. Not admitting doubt is childish. Gideon asked for three signs before believing God and so did Moses. Jesus was tempted to doubt God.

      March 1, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • MarcTTF

      @Nii
      Thanks but what I was looking for was specifics. Can you give me an example in something in the bible that gave you reason to question it?

      March 1, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • Oh Yeah

      Nii, you're forgetting that many, if not most of us atheists were living as pretenders within faith communities until we came out (and some of us may not have yet) so we know that they're out there.

      March 1, 2012 at 10:06 am |
    • jonny

      Nii, you don't "become aetheist" as you would convert from one faith to the next. You simply accept the truth. When you learn that Santa Claus isn't real, you are not converted from one faith to the next. You simply accept a fact that before had been an untruth.

      March 1, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
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