Atheist group targets Muslims, Jews with ‘myth’ billboards in Arabic and Hebrew
The American Atheists' president acknowledges that the pair of new billboards will likely cause a stir.
March 1st, 2012
05:00 AM ET

Atheist group targets Muslims, Jews with ‘myth’ billboards in Arabic and Hebrew

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) – The billboard wars between atheists and believers have raged for years now, especially around New York City, and a national atheist group is poised to take the battle a step further with billboards in Muslim and Jewish enclaves bearing messages in Arabic and Hebrew.

American Atheists, a national organization, will unveil the billboards Monday on Broadway in heavily Muslim Paterson, New Jersey and in a heavily Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood, immediately after the Williamsburg Bridge.

“You know it’s a myth … and you have a choice,” the billboards say. The Patterson version is in English and Arabic, and the Brooklyn one in English and Hebrew. To the right of the text on the Arabic sign is the word for God, Allah. To the right of the text on the Hebrew sign is the word for God, Yahweh.

Dave Silverman, the president of American Atheists, said the signs are intended to reach atheists in the Muslim and Jewish enclaves who may feel isolated because they are surrounded by believers.

“Those communities are designed to keep atheists in the ranks,” he says. “If there are atheists in those communities, we are reaching out to them. We are letting them know that we see them, we acknowledge them and they don't have to live that way if they don’t want to.”

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Silverman says the signs advertise the American Atheists’ upcoming convention and an atheist rally, called the Reason Rally, in Washington next month.

Atheists have long pointed to surveys that suggest atheists and agnostics make up between 3% and 4% of the U.S. population. That number increases when Americans unaffiliated with any religion are included. The Pew Center’s U.S. Religious Landscape Survey found that 16% are unaffiliated, though only a fraction of those are avowed atheists and agnostics.

Silverman acknowledges that the pair of new billboards will likely cause a stir.

“People are going to be upset,” he says. “That is not our concern.”

“We are not trying to inflame anything,” he continued. “We are trying to advertise our existence to atheist in those communities. The objective is not to inflame but rather to advertise the atheist movement in the Muslim and Jewish community.”

The billboards will be up for one month and cost American Atheists, based in New Jersey, less than $15,000 each, according to Silverman.

Mohamed Elfilali, executive director of the Islamic Center of Passaic County, laughed when he learned the Arabic billboard would go up in the same town as his office. He says he’s surprised that someone is spending money on such a sign.

“It is not the first and won’t be the last time people have said things about God or religion,” Elfilali says. “I respect people’s opinion about God; obviously they are entitled to it. I don’t think God is a myth, but that doesn’t exclude people to have a different opinion.”

But Elfilali bemoaned the billboards as another example of a hyper-polarized world.

“Sadly, there is a need to polarize society as opposed to build bridges,” he says. “That is the century that we live in. It is very polarized, very politicized.”

The Brooklyn billboard is likely to raise eyebrows among Jews, in part because Orthodox Jews don't write out the name of God, as the billboard does.

“It is an emotional word, there will be an emotional response," said Rabbi Kenneth Brander, dean of Yeshiva University's Center for the Jewish Future. "People will look at it in a bizarre way. People won’t understand why someone needed to write that out.”

To get around the prohibition, Jews usually use only one Hebrew letter in place of the word. In the Torah scroll, though, the word is found and it is pronounced Adonai, which means “my master.”

Rabbi Serge Lippe of the Brooklyn Heights Synagogue was more dismissive than outraged about the billboards.

“The great thing about America is we are marketplace for ideas,” he says. “People put up awful, inappropriate billboards expressing their ideas and that is embraced.”

But Lippe acknowledged that there are a lot of agnostic and atheist Jews. A recent Gallup survey found 53% of Jews identified as nonreligious. Among American Jews, 17% identified as very religious and 30% identified as moderately religious.

“When you have two Jews in the room, you have three opinions,” joked Lippe.

American Atheists have used the word “myth” to describe religion and God on billboards before. Last November, the organization went up with a billboard immediately before the New Jersey entrance to the Lincoln tunnel that showed the three wise men heading to Bethlehem and stated “You KNOW it’s a Myth. This Season, Celebrate Reason.”

At the time, the American Atheists said the billboard was to encourage Atheists to come out of the closet with their beliefs and to dispel the myth that Christianity owns the solstice season.

The Christmas billboard led to a “counter punch” by the Catholic League, a New York-based Catholic advocacy group. The Catholic League put up a competing billboard that said, “You Know It's Real: This Season Celebrate Jesus."

Silverman says his group’s billboard campaigns will continue long into the future.

“There will be more billboards,” Silverman says. “We are not going to be limiting to Muslims and Jews, we are going to be putting up multiple billboards in multiple communities in order to get atheists to come out of the closet.”

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Islam • Judaism • New York • United States

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  3. Willards

    Do you believe in God, Zeus, Apollo, Thor or Neptune? Atheists simply believe in one less god than you do.

    March 18, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Derek

      If you are implying atheists believe in Zeus but not say Jesus, you are well wrong. We atheists don't believe in Gods both practiced today AND then. Nor do we believe in ghosts. Some of us believe in aliens. But, no. To us, all religions is hocus-pocus. I'm not speaking for all atheists but I'm pretty sure I'm speaking for most.

      April 6, 2012 at 8:28 am |
  4. Khepri Neteru

    I don't have a problem with it. I don't share the same beliefs. I see billboards with religions rhetoric all the time. You live in the USA if that's your choice that's your choice. Plus, atheist don't seem to be causing all the ruckus in the world today it's people of religion that do!

    March 18, 2012 at 9:01 am |
  5. mariam

    I read the arabic translation so quickly that I saw it as : "you know it's a myth..but so is freedom of choice" ...haha. but no I don't believe it's a myth, there's nothing wrong in believing in God.

    March 9, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
  6. Muneef

    Yes agree that Atheism is just another invented Religion that calls for Worshipping Men rather than GOD...! Look up every Atheist or Communist you will find out they some how worship Idologies that been put by some leading Men...another thing you will find that those Idolized deceased Men are kept mummified for Worshipers to visit them..
    Isn't that just like the stolen catholic heart or the late Pope's blood....! Isn't that just a Man's Religion....?

    March 8, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Muneef

      Am sure in the long run Mr.Silverman is longing tobe worshiped for turning the table against the GOD religions...

      March 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • David Mark Gallegos


      Can you please cite the instances where in which atheistic populations have practiced idolatry and provide specific names of these mummified idols. I feel that it is in the interest of everyone that statements like these be backed up by some sort of proof. I do not doubt the abundance of such proof but some specific examples would be appreciated.

      March 14, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Artor

      Yeah, atheism is a religion in exactly the same way as not-playing-football is a sport. All it means is no belief in god. If you don't know what a word means, look it up before you make yourself look like an idiot in public.

      March 17, 2012 at 12:56 am |
  7. matt

    does it really matter if people believe in religion or not? its all the same thing. all based around love for yourself and others. right? as long as we all follow that rule, why should any one specific religion have to be right or wrong. even Atheists can follow that rule. if we all did, wouldnt the world be a better place?

    March 8, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  8. rs1201

    why is this group only targeting Muslims and Jews? why aren't they targeting atheists who may be in the Christian communities...do I smell a rat here?

    March 6, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • Jer

      rs1201... they do target christians and catholics. they target everyone who is undure or a closet athiest.

      March 7, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • mickey1313

      did you read the article? they have ran english (christian) ads for years, now they are doing it in the language of the other 2 mythologies i mean religons.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Bus2

      Well, in all fairness, everytime atheists do something criticising christians, the response is always the same: "You wouldn't DARE to say the same thing to muslims, would you?"

      And the clear answer is: "Yes, we have in the past and will continue to say the same things about islam".

      March 15, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • hijack

      Yes. Check out the Christians, attending church, but are closit atheists. Find them, reveal, harass, and tag them for what they are.

      March 24, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  9. ChangeYourName

    You know Mark and Momoyo, please leave this board. I'm sick and tired of you both trolling and messing up this board with your big philosophical debates and accusations of each other. Go take your rantings and name callinf offline or to your personal blogs so the rest of us can engage in some meaningful dialogue that is relevant to the story....like what is the goal of the Atheist Organization? What would be the outcome if everybody...and I mean everybody left their belief in God and became an atheist too? What would morals and laws be based on? Etc.

    March 5, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • graytiger

      'What would morals and laws be based on?'

      There are several ways atheists try to ground their morals. There certainly is no single answer as yet, if there ever will be. Two authors recently made very strong attempts at unification: Dworkin with his 'Justice for hedgehogs' and Parfit in 'On what matters'.
      In practice research has shown that there are a few universals in cultures all over the world (no stealing, no killing without good reason, ...). Most men strive for happiness, health, ... Throughout history we can see an evolution towards more inclusive rights, towards what we see in the Declaration of human rights.
      Don't want to sound too optimistic, violence and cruelty are still everywhere. And money, power and greed also.
      But on the whole, most people try to arrive at some code of conduct that will allow them to live together in society with a reasonable chance for happiness.
      In fact, a bit like arriving at a code of conduct for driving.

      March 6, 2012 at 4:07 am |
    • ChangeYourName

      Sure Gray but there needs to be a deterrent to prevent atheists from making any extreme laws. That deterent is the fear of God for believers. It is supposed to keep them in line. I know history shows that some have committed abomnible crimes in the name of religion but that is because they were NOT following their religion. Whether or not atheists want to believe that the prophets were indeed messengers come to reveal the message of God, you have to admit that you can't create a better code of conduct for living a peaceful and happy life, with fair justice for all, than these great men did. Read the Republic of Plato!

      March 6, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • graytiger


      Atheists are just a diverse group as believers are. The deterrent is the law. What else? Look at some of the most atheist countries on earth: the scandinavian countries. Are they hell on earth? No. In most researches they are amongst the best places to live.
      On the prophets: did one of them reject slavery? In the bible slavery is even condoned.and allowed.
      Plato is not a prophet but a Greek philosopher and his Republic was a dictatorship.

      March 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
  10. Anon

    Atheists: If you don't like religious people trying to shove their beliefs down your throat, don't do it to the religious.

    This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. This organization is actually spending $15freakingK on trying to convince people to... to what, exactly? Get atheists to "come out of the closet"? People know there are like-minded thinkers. If they're actually atheists, there's a reason they're not "coming out of the closet", and putting up signs telling them what they already know isn't going to do anything. And if they're not atheists, it's definitely not going to do anything. Geez, give all that money to charity. Instead of showing just how obnoxious you are, show that atheists can be good people. The most you're going to end up doing is spending a lot of money on making some people upset. Well, congratulations. I hope the rest of your life continues to be this meaningful.

    Disclaimer: I know not all atheists are like this, and that there are actually a lot that go with what I said in the beginning, and that they leave the religious alone if the religious leave them alone. DFTBA.

    March 5, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • mickey1313

      the differance is that thiesm, of all kinds hurts the very fiber of socity. Athiesm is the way to set humanity free from the chains of rederick a lies dogma and hate. Free your mind and ditch god, he is a punk.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
  11. Anon

    Religion is for those who would accept the easy lie over the hard truth.

    March 4, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
  12. msadr

    A religion consists of 3 things: 1) a belief about God (mind), 2) a course of action based on that belief (body), and 3) a symbol and/or ceremony that represents the belief and engages the emotions of the believer (spirit). So Mr. Silverman believes that God is a destructive myth, he has put up billboards all over the place to convince people that God is a destructive myth, and he's planning a rally to get people emotionally worked up over God being a destructive myth. That's all 3 folks. Mr. Silverman has invented his own religion based on an angry atheistic philosophy. And I can guarantee that he will try to get money from people at that "rally" to pay for all those billboards.

    March 4, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      What if the attacks on both Judaism and Islam at the same time causes those two groups, at least in the New York area, to come closer together?

      That would be a great by-product.

      March 5, 2012 at 12:15 am |
    • Chuckles

      So.... we get to make up definitions now?

      March 5, 2012 at 12:22 am |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, this is the definition of religion:

      1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

      2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

      Mr. Silverman has formed an organization. It is no more a religion than is the Elks Club or the Rotary Club.

      March 5, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • Ryan

      Atheism is not a religion, it basically takes that whole pondering faith out of it. An atheist may wonder what happens when they die and ponder consciousness, but in terms of all the good/evil and ceremony, it just isn't there.

      I don't care if you want to pray, have ceremonies, or celebrate your faith, the problem is that many beliefs, go against reason and cause real harm. To deny damage global warming could do, damage war could do, make a land or building more sacred than life, believe contraception is wrong in a place like Africa, etc – these things do real harm in our world, they cause real suffering, and they pose a real risk to people.

      The ability to believe in something, without proof, without reason, to believe against reason in something that simply can never be proven, against trying to find answers, this is not a virtue, it simplifies things and retards the progress of civilization. Being irrational in this capacity, this blind faith, should not be made a virtue when it comes at the expense of so many people and their tangible well being.

      March 7, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  13. Name calling - atheists last resort when they ran out of valid arguments and their TYPICAL way to win a debate


    That's a VERY, TYPICAL atheist's remarks.

    To good to know that a troll has better arguments than an atheist here.

    March 4, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • graytiger

      you seem to have driven momoya up the wall. Name calling ain't right, but I can quite understand momoya. Exception from the name calling, but otherwise I think he is right. See a.o. the discussion at the top of page 68.

      March 4, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • momoya

      Oh... so now I'm supposed to make up some silly fake name and go further down your twisted rabbit hole? Nah. That's more your style, like mocking about people needing to watch squirrel videos in their jammies or something equally asinine. I'd suggest that you try using a little logic now and then, but frankly, I think you're more humorous like you are.

      March 4, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • momoya

      I apologize for the outburst, but it's like telling a snotty brat to stay out of a corner of the garage that houses the hornet nest. After multiple childish outbursts, hand bitting, wet willies, and mocking about what type of hornet does and doesn't live in South Kansas–finally you jest let him get stung.

      My issue with Mark is that he obviously knows what he's doing. He understands the points just fine. He CHOOSES to misrepresent, strawman, and diddle with irrelevancies–all while acting like some pompous windbag you wouldn't rescue off his sinking yacht because he wants you ditch your kids to make room for his walnut-inlaid china cabinet. I'll tolerate stupidity or ignorance, but not lying mockery to the person attempting to help make things clear.

      March 4, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hey guys... this is not me who posted this. I do not spend almost a hour answering 19 points just to make up a name.

      At least show me that respect.

      March 4, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      You don't deserve respect and your behavior probably precludes it as much in real life as on comment boards.

      March 4, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Yeah, I bet you light up the outside world when you humming down the path.

      March 5, 2012 at 12:00 am |
    • tallulah13

      Funny. I just responded to a comment from a christian stating that atheists should not be allowed to be American citizens. Both sides have individuals that respond with insults. You are simply generalizing, which is not a terribly effective form of debate.

      March 5, 2012 at 12:30 am |
    • mickey1313

      there is no need of an athiest to name call. We know we are right. And we know the belief in the father sky god is foolish. Truth hurts.

      March 7, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
  14. Muneef

    Is it true that the Atheists are the present Communists of World...?

    March 4, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Not sure about that. The Russian Orthodox church has been around since forever. The Catholic church has also been in Cuba and China. And if I am correct the Pope is visiting Cuba this year.

      March 4, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • tallulah13

      No. It is simply name-calling by those people who feel threatened by individuals who don't share their belief in a supernatural power. There are conservative atheists, liberal atheists, atheists of every socio-economic class. Nations that were historically communistic may have populations of communist atheists. There is no real common ground for atheists, beyond the fact that we don't believe in a god.

      You should study "McCarthyism" if you wish to understand why people try to attach the word "communist" to people they wish to damage. Accusations of "communism" have been used to destroy innocent lives. Apparently some people still wish for those days, when a lie could ruin a career, or destroy a family. It's a particularly malicious form of propaganda.

      March 5, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • Muneef

      Did you say (We) hmm, I thought you said you believe in GOD...

      Any way I feel that not every ateist is a communist but still believe that there is so movement who are adopting some propaganda towards that...

      March 5, 2012 at 5:29 am |
    • joe

      Yeah sure. That's it. Atheists are communists. Moron

      March 5, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • momoya

      Actually, Christians are supposed to be communist per the book of Acts–living together with common goods. Capitalism is entirely Darwinistic–survival of the fittest mentality with goods, services, and money.. Christians continually support Darwinistic ideology with their consumerism and politics, while claiming that their idea of perfection is pure communion in a state of bliss. The ideology they profess as "righteous/holy" is not the ideology they practice "ugly" darwinistic capitalism.

      March 5, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • hijack

      Muneef do you really know any atheist? You have strong opinions and Im interested in knowing how they developed...from personal experience or study. I am an inquirer and want to know more about foundations of atheist thought and practice. Tell me your sources....Thanks

      March 24, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
  15. Muneef

    You speak as I have a GOD of my own or that Muslims got a GOD of their own...!?? When I say GOD it means GOD the Creator of the whole universe...as there is only One GOD of the whole nations whether they like it and accept it or not...!?
    Guess only Pagans have created their own handmade GOD's but as an Abrahamic we worship unseen GOD the GOD of Abraham and the GOD of all Prophets before him and after him....!!
    Again if you blaspheme any thing of the pagons that to them resambles GOD then that is like if you blaspheme against the Only GOD the Creator of this whole universe and what it contains....! Got the whole idea now?

    March 4, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Muneef..Oh yeh we the the idea but its facts that count... and as you have none.....sorry your god is as bogus as all the others and Mo, well sorry no facts no listen....

      March 4, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • Muneef

      Looking for facts then just look it up within your self how perfect your creation was...

      Doubt is the beginning of wisdom, but faith will move mountains

      March 8, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
  16. msadr

    So he knows that a very large group of muslims is going to be very upset and he's "not concerned". And, worse yet, he's advertising where/when his atheistic rally is going to be? not too bright. Also, why do they keep calling people atheists if they say they're not religious? there's a huge difference between not wanting to go to church and denying the existence of God. I'm not religious. Haven't been to church in at least 10 years. But I'm 100% sure there is a God who created this universe.

    March 4, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Larry Linn

      Who created God?

      March 4, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • quark-brained Charles

      And where that one-celled evolved from?

      March 4, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • ath

      life came from inorganic matter. And now you: where did God come from?

      March 4, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • Benjamin Feanklin

      And where that inorganic matter came from then?

      March 5, 2012 at 12:09 am |
    • ath

      @Benjamin I answered. Now it's your tun. Where did God come from?
      Then I will answer your question.

      March 5, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • mickey1313

      100% sure there is an invisible sky man who is all knowing all loveing and all powerfull? You are a sad person. Man created god not the other way around. And untill god ore an angel comes down to me personally, there is nothing that could change my mind.

      March 7, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
  17. THoll909

    "all religions are alike-based upon fables and mythology." Thomas Jefferson

    March 4, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • msadr

      Thomas Jefferson never said that. And it wouldn't matter to anyone if he did.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Anon

      That's why the USA is not a christian country nor ever was in the first place.

      March 4, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Thomas Jefferson.... Yeah, wasn't he the slave owner that ended up fathering six kids with wife's slave half sister?

      March 4, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • quark-brained Charles

      "In God We Trust"-America

      March 4, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • momoya

      @ THoll909

      Hi, Tholl909 Mark here is the biggest liar and fckwit troll on CNN's boards because he delights in ignoring the pertinent points you make and instead diddles himself with irrelevant side issues that don't matter. Though he understands the issues clearly, he would rather lie about what your position is so that he can act superior and smug. I think his mom must have conceived him by mule ga.ngb.ang.

      March 4, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Funny Momo.... when one can not make arguments and achieve respectful dialouge ... name calling in an attempt to elicit another to do the same just means you are out of bullets, out of arguments, out of time...and have lost. 🙂

      How did they say.... You have been weighed, you have been measured... and you have been found wanting.

      March 4, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • momoya

      Well, then stop misrepresenting other's positions, disregarding the main points, and instead diddling yourself with irrelevant details that have nothing to do with anything. Every time you restate your stupidity about atheists making a strong claim that needs proving, you're lying and you know it. You know that you're trolling, and you know you're lying, and you know it's because you haven't the courage to deal with the truth–but perhaps that's just who you are and you can't help it. Who knows?

      March 4, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Look who is chasing the other around to different threads. Sounds pretty much trollish in your actions.

      You got beaten... just handle it and move on.

      March 5, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      You moron. I didn't "get beaten" because you refused to discuss the issues. I danced around in the ring egging you on to come fight, but you crawled around on the floor describing the trash on the floor, the type of chairs, and the length of your fingernails. When asked why you won't engage on the issues, you say, "Oh, I've already beaten you because I consider the fight to be over what the appearance of trash, chairs, and fingernails! Woo hoo! I won!! You didn't describe the trash, chairs, and your fingernails."

      I know you want to go around claiming victory by insisting words mean the opposite definition and talking about cat videos, but that's not how reality works. You're drooling in your playpen and thinking that by chewing on your toys you are discussing politics with the adults at the big table, but everybody truly discussing the matters understands that you're giggling because of the new brown warmth you just produced in your diaper.

      March 5, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"I danced around in the ring egging you on to come fight, "

      Thanks Momo... I will glad to take this admission to being a Troll and use it against you. To bad you can not delete it, I might just make this quote part of my signature

      You have so completed your downfall dude, and all I had to do was let you keep talking.

      March 5, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • momoya

      Again, you misrepresent what I said.. It's what you always do.. You're a liar; perhaps you can't help it..

      When I said "egging you on to fight" YOU KNOW that I meant "take on the issues squarely.". Just like you know what graytiger's and my central argument is, yet you focus on irrelevant details so that you don't have to truly question your own stupidity.

      Your posts only advertise your lying and trolling methods when you refuse to acknowledge the main points, much less comment cogently.. Perhaps you know that you can't logically justify your position, and that's why you count toenail clippings and chipped rosary beads.. Who knows why you lie?. Do you even know?

      March 5, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Momo – Do you want to get hit with the Rock Kittens again 🙂

      Notice, that when cornered you always cry that its not what you meant. Notice that all I have to do is take your words to show how over and over you are like a bad political candidate.

      What. do you expect for someone who is debating with you, not use your own words to show your failings? You can keep going but you keep mopping your way into a corner but it does appear that you do not have the debate experience or knowledge to stop it from happening over and over.

      Now before I lightsaber off your other arm .....

      ....Momo,.. I am your Father... Obi Wan was wise to hide you from me ... Become my student and I will train you to be a stronger debater and together we will rule the Belief Blog !!! ..


      March 5, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • momoya

      Let me put it this way, Mark.. Your dishonest and mocking approach to serious issues of discussion causes me to feel immense disgust that we are both of the same species.. Your mind is an incredibly ugly tumor, and I'm sorrowful that you have to experience its fetid byproducts in such intimate eternity.

      March 5, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
  18. Mel

    Why didn't the atheists spend that money on the poor instead? That would have fed 15,000 children at school in Malawi for a year. Also, they say they don't care if it upsets people. Fair enough. But, it makes me think that atheists are generally are all talk, but quite selfish. Tell me wrong please.

    March 4, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • momoya

      The megachurches spend that much on toilet paper each week, not to mention huge salaries, marble inlaid with gold, and all manner of "extras" that cost billions. "the poor you will always have with you" because even though the churches could easily feed and clothe the poor, they'd rather have pretty buildings and plush pews.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • ath

      @Mel. Do you ask the same question when religious groups put up a billboard? If yes -> ok, if not -> unfair.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • IslandAtheist

      It's a billboard, not a private jet.

      March 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  19. momoya

    @ All Posters:

    Quotations from Mark from middle river that prove he is a lying dipsh!t:

    1..As.sumptions are the mother of all Fck'ups.
    2..(as.sumption) they really are holding tight to their beliefs and any signs of co-existence or people from either sides showing respect for one another...is a sign that the world is coming to a end.
    3..(as.sumption) Time to put the 19th cup of coffee down dude.
    4..(assumption) maybe its time to step away from the Belief Blog and go to watch funny kitten videos on Youtube until its your bedtime.
    5..(lie) I have seen you around the Belief Blog since I started coming here and since then I have not seen any of the Atheist, posting here, profess that there is even a small probability that there might be a God
    6..(lie/misrepresentation) For so many of the Atheist that post here, to admit such a probability would undermine their entire core of belief that there is not a God.
    7..(as.sumption/misrepresentation)I have heard basically only Faithful, Atheist and Agnostics, who are like bi-se'xuals in that they are just greedy ...kidding...sorta
    8..(proof that statement #5 above was a lie) I will admit that I did see a few Atheist say what you stated but it was far from “most”.
    9..(as.sumption/lie) I can see that you have been hit with that move recently or seen it in action and it has you a bit shaken
    10..(stupid misrepresentation of idea that has been fully explained several times) If a person believes in unicorns or has one in his yard, its just as cool with me as you saying that there is not a God.
    11..(bald assumption) I was once like you... expecting every Atheist to come and fight to the death in our debates.
    12..(as.sumption) If I were a brick and mortar Christian such as HeavenSent, you would not be struggling and cursing your situation.
    13..(blatant lie) I have been and will continue to be respectful in many ways.
    14..(misrepresentation–correct logic has been explained several times) the claimant either side are called claimants because they have made a claim and are equally held to the same standard of proof.
    15..(as.sumption) I know the last thing that the Atheist side wants to do is to have to be held to the same standards as those of Faith.
    16..(misrepresentation) Non-Believers should provide objective, independent, verifiable and factual evidence for their claims, or admit that they hold beliefs for which there is no such evidence.
    17..(as.sumption) On 9/11 the terrorist felt that our actions in the Middle East and against Islam had gone far enough and they wanted to give us a “dose of our own medicine”.
    18..(as.sumption) Yep with all respect, Bin Laden and pretty much every terrorist make this same type of statement.
    19..(as.sumption) When those sects become m”ore defined and become at odds with each other you will see what we of Faith have seen for generations.

    March 4, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      1. Yes they are and when I told you to put the coffee down that was in total jest. You stated a belief or a view that you assumed I held over the unicorns issue. You didn't say it in jest, you were waiting and expected me to go all 700 club with the comparison.

      2. That is also not a lie. Notice when folks start to come together the loudest objections seem to always come from their own group. If you think this is not true, check out Obama's condemnation by some in not only the Gay and Lesbian movement but severely by many in the Black power/pride movement. He has compromised and they are very upset about that.

      3.When folks make double rambling with anger post you can either reflect that anger and flame post them ...or you can deflect with jest. You do still sound a bit stressed.

      4.You think that is a lie? What is your definition of an opinion? You DO need to watch a few videos and chill out.

      5.At March 3, 2012 at 9:46 pm I did say that. But, at 11:29 pm I wrote:
      “I will admit that I did see a few Atheist say what you stated but it was far from “most”.

      So, you consider that to be a lie? I stated and then checked out others post found out I was wrong...then came back and admitted that I did see what YOU said …. and in your mind the original statement was not a mistake, it was a lie? Have you lost your mind?

      6.That is true. They would lose their minds 🙂

      7.Yep, in part jest and in truth ...agnostics get the best of both worlds. Sorta the same as Bi-S'exuals. I guess the “ 🙂 ”.

      8.Yes, it is far from most. You are welcome to go through the pages of this blog as I did.

      9.Yes, you have been challenged and it has really taken root in you. I see you did a double post again. Momo...how many fingers am I holding up …. what's day of the week is it... do you want to continue this shellacking .

      10.So me saying that I am cool with folks saying that they have unicorns in their yard is a “lie”. So you now, in your own way, now know what my opinions are of others Faiths and Beliefs. What form of reasoning or special powers is this that you have Momo. We need you at the United Nations because you know everyones true thoughts.

      11.Yes, ..this is not a lie, I was once like you. Chased folks around threads, posting everywhere with the hopes that they would act as irrational as I did. I mean I was really that “on ward Christian Soilder”/ Kurgan. Look at you Momo, you are still name calling like we are either on a playground or in a back alley somewhere. Its time to let it go dude, I find it a waste of resources to flame war with someone but your points today I will throw back in your face. I am more than half way through with you “lie” list and so far except for one which I did come back and retracted....you are equating my opinions with your version of how I would handle a person with a unicorn. You are losing big today.

      12.That is true. If I just came in here and just “God will Punish” you rebuttals and actted like a close minded person of Faith you could easily play off that. Problem for you is that I am not that type of Christian and you do not know how to fight such. This is why you have to resort to things such as this list and name calling. In other words, you have gone to your tool shed and the only hope you have now is to name call me and hope I will name call you back. Sorry Momo, I went to a all white school in the South until I went to High School. Do you think that your level of name calling even registers to me?

      13.Yep, I do not agree with folks like Ace, I might deeply disagree with him but at the same time I find no need to curse or swear at him for it. So, your 13th, respectful, yeah I got that and I am that.... and you are quickly running out of numbers 🙂

      14.Yep, if you claim there is a God and another claims there is not a God then both are claimants and both have the burden placed on them to prove such if someone wishes to challenge them on it. ….5 to go before you are toast kid 🙂

      15.Another opinion that you count as a lie. All I need is one and your number 14 shows that you are one that desires that only the Faithful be held to the standard if we make a claim but wishes to exclude the Atheist when he makes a claim. …. 4 to go...

      16.Why didn't you just choose the entire post message instead of chopping it up. Oh well. I hold this as true, see number 15. ….. three to go.

      17.This was repeated many times by Bin Laden himself
      - - -
      Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'

      “Some American writers have published articles under the ti'tle 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth – as an explanation and warning – hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him. While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

      While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

      (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
      (Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

      As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
      1. Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
      a. You attacked us in Palestine:
      b. You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.
      c. Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

      - - 🙂 - -

      Wow, you really bit the big one on number 17. Sorry, I am a World History Major and it didn't take long to find Bin Laden's own words to blow your claim apart. Oh yeah, 2 to go. 🙂

      18.Guess because you choose to break up my post, you will be going down in flames on this one as well. 🙂 ….. You have one bullet left Momo

      19.When I was searching for those examples and went through the first 12 pages of this thread I was pleased to see that there were Atheist that felt that this guy who put up the billboards was wrong. One even called him doing more harm to Atheism by his actions. Even, and I might be quoting the wrong guy, Ace identified that there are different types of Atheist.

      All we have to do is look at history. Infighting does and will arise within groups. Even the environmentalist have their tree huggers and their ones in the UK who are digging up the bodies of dead fox hunters. There will always be the extremes in every group and Atheism is seeing their extremists coming out of the woodwork. Or are you holding that Atheism will never have its extremists?

      With 19 shots and me catching that last bullet and laying it on the pavement....Momo, I am sorry but you have failed and you have lost.


      March 4, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Mark

      You are a dishonest fkwit troll; a high-dollar one, admittedly, but still a troll. Rock on.

      March 4, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Sticks and stones may break my bones but words have never hurt me. 🙂

      ....what's wrong, you don't like the Kittens video? Feel the call of the ROCK KITTENS break into you militant Atheistic heart Momo !!!

      March 4, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Mark, I have no interest in the argument between you and momoya, but those kittens are damned cute!

      March 5, 2012 at 12:50 am |
  20. ChangeYourName

    So Silverman, what's your plan after you get them all out of the closet? Is it going to make you feel good that you let them out? You going to give them all a big sympathy hug and tell them life will be better for them now? How so? There are enough laws to protect both the religious and the athiests. You looking to expand your organization? Why? What's your motive? Silverman, no one dishes out $15K without expecting some payback – wether it's money, power to control or even for the do-gooders looking to score good deeds with their God.

    March 4, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • ChangeYourName

      The athiests, the believers and the ones in the closet alike should question the motivation of this guy. Can't he leave good enough alone. At what point would he stop, assuming everybody left their beliefs. Is he prepared to guide a revolution? The guy is foolish and regardless of whether I'm a believer or not I will not follow a fool.

      March 4, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • AGuest9

      I don't know Silverman, or anything about his American Heathens organization (to tell the truth, I'm not interested enough to Google it, either.) Why subscribe to someone's organization, like the guy in London building his tower? It's silly to think that there should be "schools" of free thought. The entire concept is to be educated enough to think for one's self, and decide. To blindly follow someone else's dogma is, well, religion.

      March 4, 2012 at 9:29 am |
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