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March 2nd, 2012
09:08 AM ET

Lesbian: 'Denied communion' at mom's funeral

(CNN)–CNN's Brooke Baldwin spoke to Barbara Johnson who says a priest denied her communion at her mother's funeral Mass at St. John Neumann Catholic Church in Gaithersburg, Maryland because she is a lesbian.

In response to Johnson's story going public the Archdioceses of Washington responded saying in a statement to CNN:

In matters of faith and morals, the Church has the responsibility of teaching and of bringing the light of the Gospel message to the circumstances of our day. When questions arise about whether or not an individual should present themselves for communion, it is not the policy of the Archdiocese of Washington to publicly reprimand the person. Any issues regarding the suitability of an individual to receive communion should be addressed by the priest with that person in a private, pastoral setting.

The archdiocese is looking into the incident at a funeral Mass that was celebrated by Fr. Marcel Guarnizo and will handle this as a personnel issue.

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  1. Reality

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

    I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven.

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    Some references for those who want to read more about the historical Jesus :

    1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.

    2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
    – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

    3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
    – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"

    4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
    5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
    6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
    7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
    8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
    joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm
    9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.

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    March 4, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • Anya Khan

      All the time you wasted and garbage you made up just to prove you are a bigot

      March 4, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • .....

      reality does not make up or think anything it copies others lies and repeatedly posts them often having nothing to do with the topic under discussion. Hit report abuse on all reality posts.

      March 4, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
  2. American Public

    I can't believe some of these comments. I do not want to be standing in your shoes when you try to explain to God why you talked such filth and disrespect about Him. Shame on ALL of you haters.

    March 4, 2012 at 4:49 am |
    • IslandAtheist

      What a need of shoes does a dead person have?

      March 4, 2012 at 4:58 am |
    • Nick Swardson

      I hate haters.

      March 4, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      American public..As you seem to have an idea of what heaven is.. will it only be shoes you are wearing, or clothes as well..where do the clothes come from and can i get them washed.. or do you need to enough clean clothes for an eternity? or are we all naked... its important to know as if we are all naked I think I should start to work out a bit.. And what age are we in heaven.. the folks who died early are they the same age or have they aged ? The bible is not clear on facts such as these....

      March 4, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
  3. Cameron

    Sounds like a story of the slow inexorable decline of modern religion because it's nothing more the spread of mythology and manufactured difference and prejudice.

    March 3, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
  4. hippypoet

    women don't deserve respect no matter who they desire se.xually!

    please don't hate me for this sentence – i don;t believe in god and therefore i don;t adhere to this sentence...but if you are a women and believe in god then you should hate yourself!

    it makes sense, read your bible...but this time, try starting at the beginning and finish at the end instead of jumping thru the birth of jesus – he isn't special enough to believe in the god you claim yet not read the part that came before the man as he himself tells you to know the scripture!!!

    March 3, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Religion is a Joke

      The Bible is very anti woman. I find it hard to believe that any woman would want to get involved with Christianity, especially a gay woman. A gay woman attending church is about like a Jew attending a Neo-Nazi meeting. Why on earth would they want to do that? Women should easily see that the Bible was written by men for men.

      March 3, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Joke that you are. Women have the most challenging role in Christianity. You either refuse or don't comprehend this truth.

      Amen.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:10 am |
  5. Paul

    Why would someone Gay want to be a Christian when the Bible condemns it?

    Do you think some how popular opinion will change God's view?

    If you think that have a look at what happened to Sodom.

    March 3, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Sir Craig

      "Look what happened to Sodom." Using that logic, we shouldn't carry baskets with goodies lest the Big Bad Wolf accost us in the forest. Fairy tales sometimes have moral messages, but when they are based on ignorance and hate as much as the Bible is that message is pretty much trashed.

      "Love the sinner—hate the sin" I thought was what Christianity pushed, but as we can see from this priest's actions Christianity is nothing more than hollow rhetoric when it comes to love and compassion.

      March 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Craig, no where in scriptures does it state "love the sinner, hate the sin". That is a man made quote.

      Amen.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:12 am |
    • JF

      True...but all the verses in the Bible are man-made.

      March 4, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  6. I. M. Lesbian

    As a recovering catholic I just jumped off the wagon. Tomorrow morning I will seek out the nearest Catholic Church, belly up to the alter and take communion. When the Priest says "Body Of Chirist" I will reply " I am a Lesbian." I will be served communion. Or not? Either way I am still a recovering Catholic. My heart and prayers go out to Ms. Barbara Johnson. Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.

    March 3, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • Guest

      All who take part in the Communion ought to examine themselves before God and only if convinced that they have confessed their sins , participate in the Communion.,,,,, From what you said, it sounds like you have a bit of work to do before tomorrow.

      March 3, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Religious bigot

      When will all of you gays learn to except us for who we are?

      March 3, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When you become literate. It's 'accept', dummy.

      March 4, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • zach

      it's funny that Tom Tom did not even answer the question. Why can't you accept us the way we are? Go ahead forget the question and poke fun at my literacy.

      March 4, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Thanks, but I don't need your permission, witless.

      March 4, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Al

      Religious Bigot is being sarcastic. He/She is saying why can't the Gays accept them(bigots), for who they are. A rhetorical question.

      March 4, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nope. zach is "Religious Bigot". He just forgot.

      March 4, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
  7. Kebos

    "In matters of faith and morals, the Church has the responsibility of".......getting the heck out of the way!

    March 3, 2012 at 9:42 am |
  8. Flinders the butler

    John Clayton Nienstedt, the current Archbishop of St. Paul/Minneapolis does the same thing all the time. He denies communion to identified gays. He thinks he is holier than Jeebus also.

    March 3, 2012 at 5:29 am |
    • Kebos

      Yeah, they typically do. Until they're outed for having buggered a 6 year old boy then the facade of humility, "I'm a victim", or "It was so long ago and I was weak" comes out.

      March 3, 2012 at 9:44 am |
  9. Cyaphas

    Because arguing over circle jerk fantasy is only entertaining when the circle involves over a million fools: is there anything in the bible that condemns female on female relationships?

    I would argue, for self gratification, that gay males are fine. Gay females are not. I'm not a theist (i laughed at the kid on the playground at 12 that still believed in Santa Clause!) I am a big believer in "the more the merrier!" I'm a merry kind of fornicator!

    March 3, 2012 at 3:36 am |
  10. martint

    There is no god, no jesus, and in reality, NO RELIGION... it is all an illusion, based on ancient beliefs. Read some books people and then re-read the bible.

    March 3, 2012 at 1:49 am |
    • Anon

      It's been known like that for years, but getting the ignorant stubborn masses to admit it is the hard part.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaRQDxmLqY

      March 3, 2012 at 2:54 am |
    • Cyaphas

      Or.. just sit down and really think about it from a sterile perspective. I suspect even then the human condition of stubbornness and blind faith will kick in. After all, religion would've never taken such a hold on humanity if it didn't take advantage of some of the human weaknesses. Herd mentality?

      March 3, 2012 at 3:39 am |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      You say this as if it were fact. Therein lies your fallacy.

      March 3, 2012 at 6:50 am |
    • Anon

      ^ Hence the stubbornness.

      March 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • zach

      martint – Please do me a favor and provide these "books" you say is proof that God does not exist. You should not try and state facts without at least some sort of citations....learned this in the 8th grade. The problem is God itself could come to earth and say "Here I am" (in fact it did but you rejected him...Jesus) and the hatred in your heart will still make you not believe. Faith has made me look to others instead of what I can do for myself. All of this is bigger then you and I. The faster you learn this the better you off you will be.

      March 4, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      zach, you got through 8th grade without learning the difference between "than" and "then"? You were permitted to go to high school without learning about subject/verb agreement? Did you graduate from high school without being educated as to the use of "you and me", not "you and I", unless it's the subject not the predicate?

      I can see "book learning" is foreign to you.

      March 4, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Zach

      Tom – There you go again, you keep ripping apart the literacy but can you bring a valid point to the argument....

      March 5, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  11. John

    Catholics, if they could prove their religion was the one true religion, I mean really prove it, there would not be 5 or 6 major religions, there would only be one. It’s not like people have been arguing about whose religion is the one true religion for the past 3 weeks… it’s been argued for centuries. Religion is an opinion and it’s a belief, not a fact. It’s what we believe to be true but cannot be proven.

    March 3, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • Cyaphas

      Just think, if all of those people devoted all of that time arguing and worshiping to something constructive.... What could we accomplish?!?! What galaxies we could rule!!?!

      March 3, 2012 at 3:41 am |
    • Paul

      Load of rubbish. Of course true religion can be proven. For example Jesus said true christians would be identified as having love among themselves. Well that rules out 99% of most religion, as they are prepared to wage war on one another.

      March 3, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • johnp

      Actually John – religion is no what was create when Adam and Eve sewed fig lieves together to cover themselves. Religion is Man's way of covering his sin. God sent his only begotton Son ito the world to cover our sins with the blood of Christ ( the awaited messiah) A faith in Christ Jesus is to be set free from Death and sin. So religion is not really a good thing, but placing one's faith in the only begotton of the Father, is what truly covers all our sin.-P.S. Someone said that God believers should read a few books and then reread the Bible.....I did that.... I use to even think there was somthing to evolution! I now can only look at you that believe all that "Big bang" crap and say Really! you believe really that?!

      March 3, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Your post was kind of all over the place, johnp, but this is what I think you were trying to say: You reject that which can be proven via observation and replicable experiment, and have decided to believe in a book of bronze age mythology.

      You must have a reason for that, but I suspect it's a reason that most people with courage, intelligence and curiosity would reject.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:19 am |
  12. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    Communion / Eucharist and much more:

    JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

    Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

    Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

    Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

    Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

    So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

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    March 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Joxer the Mighty

      It's amazing how much condescension I detect in your posts. It kind of reminds me of some other people I know. They are all die hard interpret the Bible literally Christians.

      March 3, 2012 at 6:54 am |
    • Kebos

      If you can't interpret the bible, or at least some parts of it (that Noah story still has me reeling for the sanctuary of sanity after these so many years), then what do you have in any of the mono-theistic religions? I'll tell you what you have = NOTHING!

      March 3, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Kebos

      Oops....in my haste, the above post should have read "If you can't interpret the bible literally...."

      March 3, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • johnp

      Reallity; Somone once told you to crawl back under your mobile home and go back to sleep with your pit bull. You still haven't done that?

      March 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Reality

      The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

      I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven.

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen

      Some references for those who want to read more about the historical Jesus :

      1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.

      2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
      – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

      3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
      – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"

      4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
      5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
      6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
      7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
      8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
      joezias.com/HealthHealingLandIsrael.htm
      9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.

      March 4, 2012 at 8:19 am |
  13. Masquer08er

    Does anyone at CNN monitor abusive content? The anti catholic and anti christian hate speech compares with an ti semi tic speech in w w 11 Ge rma ny. You can disagree, even criticize, without the hate speech.

    March 2, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • Flinders the butler

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGR4SFOimlk

      March 2, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
  14. Masquer08er

    @William why the personal attacks. Your argument can't stand on it's own merit? You are using bully tactics. Hate speech like yours is not welcomed by reasonable adults.

    March 2, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
  15. Bible Bob, Knight of Infallibillibabbity

    Righteous loving Christian thinking: She is a sinner who will spend the rest of eternity burning in a lake of fire, so she should be treated like she was, even if it is her mother's funeral. She does not deserve to be treated decently, for God certainly will not treat her well in the afterlife.

    Evil atheist thinking: She is a human being and should not have to experience something like that at such a hard moment in her life. We should all be treated decently.

    Damn atheists have no morality!

    March 2, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • LlamaNerds

      I'm not a Roman Catholic, so I might be getting some of this wrong, but I am an orthodox Anglican who holds the sacrament of communion highly, so allow me to attempt to correct you:
      Roman Catholic thinking:
      The Eucharistic feast is a power work of God in daily life, which is intended only for those living in faith and charity with God and their neighbors. To take part without being properly prepared (confessed sins, intention to walk in conformity with God's commandments is to damn yourself, much as taking medicine for which your body is not prepared could lead to further illness or death. Thus, the priest (perhaps mistakenly) judged that giving her communion may do more harm than good.

      Now, whether he was right to do what he did, no one will ever know this side of heaven. We can't judge another person's spiritual state simply by a label ("lesbian", "drunkard", "adulterer", etc.), and all of us are sinners called to God's repentance and peace. However if the priest knew the girl and was familiar with her actions on a daily basis and whether she was living in accordance with Roman Catholic teaching, he could more reasonably judge her "worthiness" for communion. But even then he doesn't know what she has confessed or undergone in the time of the funeral service, because I guarantee that there was a general confession said during that mass.

      Christianity isn't about "being nice" to people. It's about loving them. I'm sorry if that offends some of you.

      March 3, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • zach

      Bob- You have it wrong, I have no clue whats going to happen to her in the afterlife. I am not God therefor I don't judge. God did not ask for my help, God did not say to me "Zach I need you on the judgement committee". So do not classify all Christians into that basket. Now if the church chooses not to allow her take take communion, that is there choice, just as it's a stores choice to sell products to who ever they want. If you do not like how they do things, don't attend.

      March 4, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not a problem. But that's why religion is losing adherents every day, zach. It's exactly why I don't attend. It's exactly what disgusts me about you. You pretend you're not judging when in fact that is exactly what you're doing when you continue to support a religion that preaches that ho mo s3 x uality is a sin and that those who are ga y are going to be da m2ed.

      March 4, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Zach

      Again Tom your lumping all Religions into one basket when they are many differences.

      March 5, 2012 at 10:34 am |
  16. Samuel

    There are some Communion services where they lead one to self examine before they partake of the Holy Communion.

    All who take part in the Communion ought to examine themselves before God and only if convinced that they have confessed their sins , participate in the Communion.

    This is a sacrament and should be observed with the highest regard to its ultimate purpose as taught by Jesus himself.

    March 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • JohnR

      It's an empty ceremony.

      March 2, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • Cyaphas

      I took sacrament at my grandmother's funeral out of respect for her. It's a wafer... i repeat IT'S A WAFER. There's no magic! If there are voices in your head.. I have some news for you. If you're afraid of going to hell.. you really have better odds of going to Hades.. After all that other religion is older AND has more literature about it!

      March 3, 2012 at 3:44 am |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    March 2, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Jesus

      ~The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.~~

      March 2, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • just sayin

      that which takes the Lords name in vain you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting

      March 2, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Jesus

      "that which takes the Lords name in vain you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting"

      And you've been found to be a liar.

      March 2, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • just sayin

      Your opinion and a buck might get you something from a dollar menu somewhere.

      March 2, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven .

      March 2, 2012 at 7:14 pm |
    • Jesus

      "Prayer changes things
      Proven ."

      You've been proven wrong. The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      March 2, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • just sayin

      your opinion has not increased in value.

      March 2, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • Jesus

      "your opinion has not increased in value."

      That log in your eye is getting huge!

      March 2, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • sam

      The just sayin/prayer bot is sassy today!

      March 2, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • just sayin

      Only need one eye to get the bulge on a tub like you

      March 2, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just lying in a tub of manure, you're an insult to matter.

      March 2, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No one is operating on a very high level this evening.

      March 2, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Shut up, herbie, ya pig.

      March 2, 2012 at 9:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Long week, I guess. It'll get better, I'm sure.

      March 2, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Cyaphas

      Yes, it changes things! It allows people who don't waste time doing it to be more constructive than those that do.

      March 3, 2012 at 3:46 am |
  18. *frank*

    Jesus sucks.

    March 2, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Cyaphas

      and apparently is into large 13 man sausage suckings!

      March 3, 2012 at 3:51 am |
  19. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Did you know they ring a little bell right before communion? It's a Pavlovian thing. Gets me thinking of bacon every time. I've no idea why. Communion wafers ought to be chili lime bacon flavored. Different colors would be good too. The wine's ok, but could use more wood and a hint of black currant and maybe licorice.

    March 2, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Actually the wine gnarly.

      Like Mad Dog 20/20

      I guess Jeebus was anemic or something.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Odd that I can post when I'm still in my car.

      Really, herbie, do you have that much trouble getting dates?

      March 2, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • 1 Corinthians 11

      27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

      March 2, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Very interesting. Jesus apparently, gave communion to Judas, knowing what was about to happen. These people think they are more righteous than he, I guess. When I re-read the accounts of the Last Supper, to verify this, and what I thought I remembered about ti, I discovered that in John 13:36, Petey says "Lord, where are you going ?", a few verses later Tommy says, "Lord we do not know where you are going", and at the SAME meal, a few verses later, Jesus says : "Now I am going to the one who sent me, and none of you asks me 'Where are you going' ". (!!) I guess he had a VERY short attention span. Oh well. 🙄

      March 2, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Woops, speaking of attention spans ... I forgot ...
      John said NOTHING about the Eucharist during his narrative of the Last Supper. Obviously he, (they), didn't think it was that important.

      March 2, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
  20. brian

    Most people commenting want to live by is "what ever feels good than do it" We live in a world that says do what ever you want. And I agree people can do whatever they want, but it tears you upinside that there is a God and his word contradicts
    what the world says. Just remember Romans 14:11

    'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

    I know this verse angers you to no end, and that's why I love it Praise Jesus!!

    March 2, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • William Demuth

      We killed him once

      We will kill him again

      Amen

      March 2, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Bizarre

      brian, "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'"

      This sounds more like something that your mega-maniacal "Satan" character would demand and groove on...

      March 2, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I believe Osam Bin Laden said the same thing

      We killed him as well.

      Perhaps he was Christ the Second?

      March 2, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @brian

      Where do you get "whatever feels good then do it" from? I see no one here saying that they want that.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • PsiCop

      Re: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' I know this verse angers you to no end, and that's why I love it Praise Jesus!!"

      Why would this "anger" anyone? Why are you projecting your beliefs onto other people? If your god in fact does exist, and if in fact he will someday force everyone to bow to him, then it's going to happen; there's nothing anyone can do about it, and being "angry" about it would be pointless. (Your glee over the prospect of it is fairly unflattering, by the way. It smacks of chapter 30 of Tertullian's De spectaculis.)

      Now ... if you'd like to discuss the nature of an omnipotent being who finds it necessary to coerce bows out of his own creations, and whether or not such a being deserves to be worshipped by anyone or anything, we can certainly discuss that.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Bo

      I wish somebody would say something worthy of a reply. This, I think, will fall on deaf ears, figuratively speaking, but PsiCop, you nobody is going to force you to your knees, you will volunteer to do it, not only that you will volunteer to confess that Christ is Lord and God, maybe not in this life, but when you are resurrected to receive your just reward, I don't know what that willl be, I'll leave that up to God.

      March 2, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Oh no, Mrs. Robinson. I think - I think you're the most attractive of all my parents' friends

      You are not really volunteering, Bo. You are obeying out of duress, the duress of being tortured forever if you do not. That is not truly voluntary, nor is it free will.

      Why would God use terror like that? Is Christianity really the worship of a terrorist God?

      March 2, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Lol

      I'd say something worthy of a reply, Bo, but why waste my breath when you're convincingly demonstrated that you have the intelligence of a coffee filter?

      March 2, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Mrs. Robinson, if you don't mind my saying so, this conversation is getting a little strange

      Now Lol, that was a terrible thing to say. That is a terrible insult to coffee filters everywhere!

      March 2, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Danged Atheists

      There they go, insulting coffee filters again ...

      March 2, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • tallulah13

      At least a coffee filter provides a useful and necessary service.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:29 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      However, like Bo's arguments, they don't hold any water.

      March 4, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Anon

      Hey brian, take a bible and ram it up your @$$.

      March 12, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
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