March 3rd, 2012
02:00 AM ET

Inking for Jesus: Dozens of church members take Lenten tattoo challenge

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN)-– In a hip, artsy, area of Houston, a hip, artsy pastor is taking an unorthodox approach to Lent.

Standing in front of his congregation at Ecclesia Church, a congregation he admits is different - more diverse, more urban - than many evangelical churches - Chris Seay encouraged them to do so something he said combines the ideas of sacrifice and devotion that mark the Lenten season, the 40-day lead up to Easter.

He asked them to get tattoos. Specifically, he asked congregants to get a tattoo corresponding with one of the Stations of the Cross, the collection of images that depict scenes in Jesus’ journey to his crucifixion.

“The tendency we have as Christians is to skip past Jesus’ suffering,” Seay said in an interview. “Not only do tattoos come with a bit of suffering, they are also an art form that has not fully been embraced.”

To help with the project, Seay enlisted Scott Erickson, artist-in-residence at his church. Erickson designed 10 distinct Stations of the Cross tattoos, leaving out four stations that Seay said changed in context when you are asking someone to get something permanently drawn on their body.

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The Stations of the Cross depict Jesus from his condemnation to the Resurrection.

The church is now displaying photographs of the tattoos in the church’s art gallery, in an exhibition called “Cruciformity: Stations on the Skin.”

Initially, Seay has hoped that enough people – 10– would sign up to fill each station of the cross. But his expectations were far exceeded.

Seay says that more than 50 people are now brandishing one of Erickson’s designs on their bodies.

Guadeloupe Rodriguez is among them. When Seay pitched the tattoo idea from the pulpit, Rodriguez’s wife squeezed his hand. “That is what you have been waiting for,” she said.

“I fell into some hard times in my past, hanging out with the wrong crowd … got into some pretty tough drugs,” said Rodriguez, who says he found Jesus at Ecclesia. “My aunt, though, on her deathbed, said to me, ‘You only have one God, one mom and one dad – you need to be straightening up for all three of them.”

Because of that experience, Rodriguez had the churches 10th station image, the resurrection, tattooed to his body. He felt that the two birds holding a suspended banner that read, “Rise Again,” perfectly fit his personal story.

“From the day my aunt said that to me, I relied on the Lord a lot to guide me in the right direction,” Rodriguez said. “I am where I am now because of God.”

Another member of Ecclesia, Joyce O’Connor, channeled her family when she was deciding what station of the cross to get tattooed onto her body. O’Connor, who has one biological child and two stepchildren, connected with the fourth station, Jesus meeting his mother.

“I am a mother and in just a minuscule way can relate to how Mary must have felt,” O’Conner said.

“The tattoo captured me and I love it,” she continued. “When I think of that image, I don’t feel tragedy or sadness because I know how the story ends and it makes me smile.”

This was O’Connor’s first “tat,” and she said this project has exemplified why she came to Ecclesia in the first place - acceptance, out-of-the-box thinking, diversity.

Margaret Feinberg, an evangelical Christian author, spoke at the gallery opening. She said she was taken by the “beautiful blend of art and flesh.”

“I remember standing in a small booth on an upper landing looking at everyone in the room,” Feinberg wrote in an e-mail. People “from every walk of life - exploring and celebrating this time of Lent - the scene took my breath away.”

According to Seay, such experiences deem the project a success. He admits to spending a lot of time dissuading individual congregants from getting tattoos after he announced the idea. People have to “know it is what they are supposed to do,” he said.

The design Seay choose for himself, the resurrection, which shows a tree growing from a coffin, like Rodriguez’s. On Seay’s tattoo, however, the initials of people he loves fill the tree’s leaves and his nickname for his grandfather – Papa – is carved into its stump.

Seay lost his grandfather, Robert Baldwin, last year. Baldwin had been a pastor in the Houston area for 60 years and Seay considered him his mentor. Though Seay still misses him desperately, the tattoo reminds him of a simple biblical message.

“Death,” he says, “comes from life.”

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- Dan Merica

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  1. stupid people believe what they don't understand because they don't read, or don't know how - which is worse?

    I may be cruel, but you shall love me as God. In the word of God. Praise be to God. And all that mumbo jumbo. Thanks be to me for reminding you that even God hates you. So smile and remember, under his tyranny you will never be free! Quote any part of the Bible you like, it will make no difference. If you believe in God then the history of God is your basis for belief. How can one make claims to without full knowledge of? With full knowledge how is it that any believe unless they already harbor hatred for a great many? Answer – most have never read the Bible. Those who have made one of two choices – ratiionalize it and believe based on interpretations or deny it and not believe. What do you get from this?

    March 5, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
  2. inHisname

    This is how you know the unemployed folks. The ones with the longest comments.

    Double R

    March 5, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • momoya

      That's rather poor logic because people can be employed and still have plenty of free time.. You a christian?

      March 5, 2012 at 4:55 pm |
    • Reality

      For those who are reading challenged:




      Added details upon request.

      March 5, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
  3. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    Man, this is a stupid article.

    March 5, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  4. Tn Ken

    I plan to never get a tatoo. I do not feel the need to galavant my belief in God as a spectacle for others to see. Another reason is that a tatoo limits your ability to donate blood which is a real gift of life to those in need and very few know that you have done so.

    March 5, 2012 at 3:08 pm |
  5. manda

    Leviticus is awesome. It also spells out step by step the correct way to slaughter animals for sacrifice and reminds us to smear the blood on our clothes and on the entrance to our tent. Every single Saturday. I always wonder if these folks who claim they believe in the literal truth of the bible have goat blood smeared all over the doors of their houses.

    March 5, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • Double R

      During the time of the Old Testament, the Lord gave clear instructions on the proper way to offer sacrafices that were "pleasing to the Lord". It was done through the blood of your best animal from your herd or flock. This sacrafice was done in atonement for your sins (see Leviticus 1:4). However in the New Testament, the Lord then gave us the eternal Lamb, his only begotten son Jesus, and because of his sacrafice upon the cross his blood now atones for the sins of all humanity. We do that by confessing him as our one and only savior. So you see, there is no need to offer animal sacrafices to God anymore, he took care of all that for us through his son.

      March 5, 2012 at 9:51 am |
    • Reality

      Fortunately, many followers of Judaism have entered the 21st century:

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

      March 5, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  6. Ms Monica

    The scriptures clearly state at Leviticus 19:27, “Do not cut your bodies for the dead, and do not mark your skin with tattoos. I am the LORD."

    Clearly, God cherishes our bodies as we should ourselves so much so that he does not want us mutilating what he created. Even if it is to honor the dead or even Jesus Christ. Don't you think that there are better ways to honor Christ? For instance, in word and deed we can honor Christ by teaching others about him, helping others, imitating Christ by having compassion and kindness for others. Those things would do more to honor Christ than a mere tattoo would, would it not?

    March 4, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • Ms Monica

      Correction Leviticus 19:28!

      March 4, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Get Real

      I'm no great fan of tattoos, Ms Monica, but your Leviticus is chock full of commands which nobody follows today. Get over it.

      March 4, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • stupid people believe what they don't understand because they don't read, or don't know how - which is worse?

      not addressing anyone in particular, just saw the quote and laughed. Then had fun, hope you don't mind.

      speaking of Leviticus, lets not forget to read this.

      " Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property." (Leviticus 25:44-45)

      I think i will make you my slave. Oh and for any idea on how i will be treating you, refer to the book of Judges.Do you have a wife or kids. I may be cruel, but you shall love me as God. In the word of God. Praise be to God. And all that mumbo jumbo. Thanks be to me for reminding you that even God hates you. So smile and remember, under his tyranny you will never be free! Quote any part of the Bible you like, it will make no difference. If you believe in God then the history of God is your basis for belief. How can one make claims to without full knowledge of? With full knowledge how is it that any believe unless they already harbor hatred for a great many? Answer – most have never read the Bible. Those who have made one of two choices – ratiionalize it and believe based on interpretations or deny it and not believe. What do you get from this?

      March 4, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • Ms Monica

      It really doesn't matter what YOU think if you don't have a respect for the Bible. Maybe you don't follow it, but somebody does. Those commands are for those of us who have a respect and faith in Christ. If you don't have anything to add then it would have been better to say nothing at all.

      March 4, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Ms Monica

      In reply to ANON who posted this quote, "Stupid people believe what they don't understand because they don't read, or don't know how – which is worse?"

      The irony is that you posted a quote about no one in particular but the quote you posted applies to you in particular. LOL! I am so done! That made my day!

      March 4, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • stupid people believe what they don't understand because they don't read, or don't know how - which is worse?

      If you are a woman then i have no respect for you... i Do believe in the Bible, and in God. It's black and white isn't it? The proof is everywhere according to believers becuase supposedly God created everything. How do you argue with that? I pose no argument, instead i will post things that I bet you have never read before that are from the Bible and I will show no care for anyone who says i a,m wrong doing it. I believe in God as a Christian and I first honor to Christ is to spread the Holy Scriptures as Christ said we should know them! 🙂

      “So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they rap.ed her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)
      St Paul’s advice about whether women are allowed to teach men in church:
      “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)
      “This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3)

      March 4, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • Double R

      @ Ms Monica: Althougth I don't disagree with you, it's important to remember that the Lord gave this command to the Levites through Moses because at the time tattooing and cutting were traditional pagan rituals. The Lord wanted to set his people apart from those practices. Although I don't agree with tattooing your body, even for the purposes of what people think is glorifying God, I do agree that your body is a temple. Even I have two tattoos from before I was saved, but as Christians reborn, when we give our lives to Christ our bodies are no longer our own. Our bodies belong to him, as he explains in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20. We are to honor God with our bodies. Some people may believe that tattooing a cross on their arm is honoring God with their bodies. However I've seen many people with a picture of Jesus tattooed on their backs who continue sin with no remorse. It goes back to the old question... what would Jesus do? If most people only thought of that question before tattooing a cross on their forearm in reverence to God, they more than likely would not do it.

      March 5, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • inHisname

      @stupid people: It is clear you are an atheist or satanist as well as have a Jezebel spirit, and that is your choice. Making jest of someone else's belief is another issue. Since you've taken the time, obviously to study the Bible and pick on random passages, I wonder what contributions your belief's have had for the human race. Even a true satanist knows that there is a God of gods and King of Kings. In the end, every Knee must bow.

      March 5, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • inHisname

      @Double R: Respectfully, those "pictures of Jesus" are also against biblical teachings. They are no different from idol worshiping. I do not know that jesus. He is the figment of the white man's imagination, and created in his blonde and blue eyed image.

      March 5, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Huh?

      "Even a true satanist knows that there is a God of gods and King of Kings. In the end, every Knee must bow."

      LOL! You have no proof your god even exists. Duh!

      March 5, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Ran

      I totally agree with you Ms Monica. God bless you.

      March 5, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • Ran

      @Stupid poeple- (or person)...It's easy to pick and choose certain verses in the Bible and use them out of context. God is a loving God, but He is also righteous and just. His anger is the same as His love, as His forgiveness, mercy, kindness, truthfulness etc. All His 'traits' are the same and in balance. He has and will judge sin. We are now very lucky to be living in the years of 'Grace' since the crucifixion and ressurection of our Lord Jesus Christ and because Holy Spirit is here on earth with us too, God is giving us a lot of grace and forgiveness, because of His Son and His perfect sacrifice. That doesn't mean that poeple will not be judged for their sins at a latter time though. God is a God of justice. It is in His nature to judge sin, but that's why He gave us His only Son, Jesus Christ. So that though we are sinners, if we believe in Him, we may be saved from this judgement.
      @Huh?-he wasn't refering to you aethists, inHisName was referring to Satanists, who at least are given credit for knowing God exists but are just against Him. As for those who choose to deny the existence of God, it is just a state of denial that they are in. Because they don't want to submit to a higher being, because they are too proud to acknowledge the existence of a creator greater than them, they choose to deny Him. Because they want to believe that by being good and doing good, they are righteous and so don't need a Saviour. Because they want to believe that they are the pinnacle of the evolutionary chain, far better architected than an amoeba or chimpanzee obviously, but they can't stand to believe that there is a higher being so perfect and so much more glorious than they are....it is pride.
      Please get off your thrones of pride and acknowledge Him (GOD) today. He is waiting for you to acknowledge Him, because He is a kind and loving God, He needs your will to come into your life. However, know that whether you choose to acknowledge Him or not He does exist.

      March 5, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
  7. mandarax

    Perhaps the strongest evidence that there is no God is that Rush Limbaugh has not been struck down by a bolt of lightning.

    March 4, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • TING

      God wouldn't do that. I think Rush has the same characteristics of some of the Bible's authors.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  8. Reality

    More reasons you may not want to get that "forever" tatoo:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated based on the studies of historians and theologians during the past 200 years)

    I might believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven.

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of of the non-atoning Jesus.


    Some references for those who want to read more about the historical Jesus :

    1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.

    2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
    – a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–

    3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
    – "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"

    4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
    5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
    6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
    7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
    8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
    9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.

    March 4, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • .....

      Hit report abuse on all reality bull sh it

      March 4, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • ChangeYourName


      March 4, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  9. Daniel

    You know I looked at the 14 stations of the cross but just couldn't figure out which ones "change in context" when they are inked on someone's body...bucky balls you seem like a smart lad...help me figure it out


    March 4, 2012 at 6:16 am |
    • Bucky Ball

      Traditionally, there are 14 stations on the Via Dolorosa. The article does not explain why 4 are removed, (except by that comment about "changed in context"), or explian which ones they were. In their numbering, the 10th one is the resurrection, it makes me think someone has them, (either the stations, or the pictures) numbered incorrectly. The normal ones are :
      1.Jesus is condemned to death
      2.Jesus accepts the cross
      3.Jesus falls the first time
      4.Jesus meets His Mother
      5.Simon of Cyrene carries the cross
      6.Veronica wipes the face of Jesus
      7.Jesus falls the second time
      8.Jesus meets the women of jerusalem
      9.Jesus falls the third time
      10.Jesus is stripped of His garments
      11.Jesus is nailed to the cross
      12.Jesus dies on the cross
      13.Jesus' body is removed from the cross
      14.Jesus is placed in the tomb.
      So, I guess I can't really answer the question. 🙄

      March 4, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Double R

      These are the 14 Scriptual Stations of the Cross introduced by Pope John Paul II. Only 8 of the traditional stations have scriptual foundation.

      1.Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane,
      2.Jesus is betrayed by Judas and arrested,
      3.Jesus is condemned by the Sanhedrin,
      4.Jesus is denied by Peter,
      5.Jesus is judged by Pilate,
      6.Jesus is scourged and crowned with thorns,
      7.Jesus takes up His cross,
      8.Jesus is helped by Simon to carry His cross,
      9.Jesus meets the women of Jerusalem,
      10.Jesus is crucified,
      11.Jesus promises His kingdom to the repentant thief,
      12.Jesus entrusts Mary and John to each other,
      13.Jesus dies on the cross,
      14.Jesus is laid in the tomb.

      March 5, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • inHisname

      @Iqbal Khan: I can't wait to see you in Guantanamo. Dude, u sure know how to pick what scripture works for your agenda

      March 5, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Huh?

      "@Iqbal Khan: I can't wait to see you in Guantanamo. Dude, u sure know how to pick what scripture works for your agenda"

      Yeah like the Christians that pick and choose when it comes to the gay agenda. Duh!

      March 5, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
  10. lastofall

    Sorry, but such a practice is a sin of vanity and idolatry, and has no part with the Lord Jesus Christ.

    March 4, 2012 at 2:10 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Why in the world would the creator of the universe care in the least if people put a little bit of ink into their skin, especially if it honors said creator? Seriously, the guy must have some serious insecurity hangups.

      March 4, 2012 at 3:19 am |
  11. Iqbal Khan


    March 4, 2012 at 1:00 am |
  12. KP

    So what? It makes no less sense than anything else they do, so what is the problem with this?

    March 3, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • Lewis Keseberg

      Well, it probably makes more sense to most people than drinking blood. But then, maybe they've never experienced the truly rapturous delight of consuming human blood...

      March 4, 2012 at 3:20 am |
    • ChangeYourName

      And eating flesh.

      March 4, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  13. TR6

    I think Christians have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies, just like they support a woman’s right to choose for her body

    March 3, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Connor

      Yeah, this is exactly like a woman's right to do what she wants to her body. a person doing something that causes themselves a little bit of temporary pain, and a woman being irresponsible, getting pregnant, and killing a baby. No difference at all.

      March 3, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Mkay

      Is the church going to take care of the child after it's born? Of course not. They are all about saving the child from abortion but once it's born it's, "good luck", you're on your own.

      March 3, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • Nathan

      @Mkay: That is a baseless claim, in fact, a lie. With what evidence do you claim this? Do you realize that Christianity was born into a pagan world that abandoned babies to die outside the city walls, and that the Christians would rescue the babies, and raise them Christian. We created the orphanage, the adoption ministry....

      March 3, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • ChangeYourName


      Our government takes care of that. The church does nothing,

      March 4, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Double R

      That's actually not entirely true, ChangeYourName. Our church builds, funds, and support many orphanages across the U.S. and the world. In fact this past week our church sent a check for $10,000 to an orphanage in Vietnam.

      March 5, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  14. CSX

    If you are a saved believer, your body should be a living sacrfice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. Know not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit?

    Stop acting like the lost world!

    March 3, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • James X. Byrd

      Christians are well known for taking verses out of their cultural context to prove their own viewpoints. If you don't wnat ink, that's fine. But any one of these tattoos could be the ice breaker to help the bearer to witness to a lost soul.

      March 3, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Kimbal

      to all those who keep saying things like "Don't desecrate the temple" or "Your body is a temple you shouldn't tattoo it" how is it a desercation and not a decoration. We beautify building all the time with fresh paint etc. Also you should read the way the temple was decorated and then ask yourself is my objection simply because I don't like tatts.
      p.s. do you ever eat at McD's or other fast food? that is more of a desecration to your "temple than anything else

      March 13, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
  15. Religion is not healthy for anyone

    Prayer is a waste of time.

    March 3, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
  16. GodsPeople

    Finally, after 4 e-mails to tech telling them to fix whatever's wrong, I can post again.

    March 3, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      Hmmmm, I am sure "tech" told you it is not your stupidity, it is the blog. Maybe you should back away from the computer?

      March 3, 2012 at 10:16 pm |
    • mandarax

      Maybe God was telling you to STFU.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • ChangeYourName

      You should have prayed and saved yourself writing the 4 emails.

      March 4, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Huh?

      Proof prayer doesn't work.

      March 5, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
  17. GodsPeople


    March 3, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      There is SO much crap in that lecture, it would be impossible to even begin to refute all the BS in it.
      "The Big Bang proves Jesus Christ". Hahahahahaha. Give me a break.
      1. Cosmology and Quantum Physics have made huge strides since that nonsense was delivered in 1994. If anything Cosmology has proven that god is UNNECESSARY.
      2. First the question always remains "whose god are you talking about". You don't really mean Yahweh, the god of the armies do you ? So basically NOTHING has been "proven".
      3. They didn't "find" 90% of the universe. Dark energy and Dark matter are 99 % of the universe, so Ross is simply wrong about that. The proposals of where that came from, and the possibility that EVERYTHING we can observe, (directly, and indirectly) are numerous, and they may have "frozen" out of "empty space", (nothing), during the inflationary epoch. A god is NOT required. Gravity can have a negative energy. 1+ (-1) = 0. There is NOTHING which requires a god.
      4. "Belief in a static universe" is NOT what gave rise to Darwinian evolutionary theory. He is simply wrong again.
      5. He is NO scripture scholar, and EVERYTHING he says about the bible is so easily refutable, it's child's play. The reason why the universe is "lumpy", is not what he says, and Laurence krauss discusses it thoroughly in his latest book, : "A Universe From Nothing". Google it. He has a free hour long lecture.
      6. The fact that the bible says your god is not subject to "time" proves NOTHING. Space and time are NOT separate, and if there was to have been a "creative act", it would have had to have a "beginning" and an "end". THAT requires time. There was NO TIME, if the present theory of a Singularity turns out to be true, and "creation" is rendered meaningless by that. The "ordinary laws of Physics DO NOT "still apply". It's just a rehash of the BS of the First Cause argument. There is NO "conclusive proof" the universe was "created", apart from Ross' assertions. 'Big Bang = Jesus Christ'...is just CRAP.
      7. "The universe is decelerating" is simply wrong. It has been proven to be accelerating. "If the universe had a beginning, it must have had a beginner" has been disproven by Physics, and by Logic. If god "exists" it would have to "exist" in dimesions it did not create, hence could not be the creator of everything. And to presume it was YOUR god is just laughable.
      8. There is NO proof of the "personality" of a creator, and if there were, it would "ipso facto" be the PROOF that it was NOT god, because a "personality" by definition, is self-limiting, and not infinite. Ross made up all that BS about Einstein, and what he "believed". It's simply wrong. There are no "origins" of time, without "time" already in place. It's meaningless. Space-time had no "beginning", because it implies TIME already existed, BEFORE, time, (in which the "beginning" started).
      9. It does NOT eliminate" all possibilities "except Jesus Christ". THAT is again laughable. God can't "create" "independant" of time, because THAT is a meaningless sentence. "Creation" requires time, already. The verses from the NT prove NOTHING. Using the bible to prove the bible is circular. There is no "cause and effect" if there is no time already, no matter what he says "Paul said", and Saul of Tarsus knew NOTHING everyone else at his time did not know. It's just ALL BS. He doesn't know 21 Century Physics, and he doesn't know 19th Century Biblical scholarship. Ross is a fool, and so is anyone else who buys his crap. 🙄

      March 3, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • GodsPeople

      in other words, you happen to be completely re-tar-ded and are ready to commit suicide. gotcha.

      March 3, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
    • Colin

      bucky, can you re-post the video about the origins of Christianity, please?

      March 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
    • Bizarre


      It is highly unlikely that you read and comprehended even *one* of bucky ball's points in the 4 minutes until you posted, let alone all of them.

      Such a joke you are...

      March 3, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • Brad

      There's a lot in 6. and I'd like to have a look at it, GodsPeople'c website citation notwithstanding. Why does an efficient cause at t=0 require time? What implies that such a cause has to have an extent in time at all?

      March 3, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Hi Colin. Here ya go...let me know if it's not the one you meant.

      (remove the two dashes before the "http")

      March 3, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      I am not re'ta'rd'ed, and what in hell made you think that the happiest, most content, luckiest kid at Cal Tech is ready to commit suicide ? You obviously are incapable of discussing Physics, or Theology, or Scripture..or you would have presented at least ONE argument.

      March 3, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • Colin

      thanks Bucky

      March 3, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      because at t=0, a "cause" for space-time has to PRECEDE space-time, by at least an "instant", (can't be CONCURRENT....which BTW is also THE reason, god cannot "always" have "existed")...by definition that has no meaning. Make sense ?

      March 3, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • Fluffy, the gerbil of doom

      Hey Buckminster ...
      Wow, good one. You *do* sound a bit riled up, though. Fordham says "hi". Miss you. They called and said "you should see...". Heh heh. BTW, don't take it personally. What he obviously meant was "If I can't have my delusions, I would commit suicide". Projection you know. Behave. 🙂

      March 3, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Brad

      I guess I don't see that. If t is topologically open, there need be no "instant" between a cause at t=0 and what follows.

      March 3, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      At t=0, the cause cannot have "preceded" it. If it "exists" concurrently, it's not the (ultimate) "cause'.

      March 3, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq


      March 3, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • Double R

      @ GodsPeople: Although I don't necessarily agree with Bucky, calling someone retarted right off the bat is not very becoming of "God's People". As God's people we are taught to love and pray for our neighbors, even those who may be out to do us harm. The enemy loves to use the views and words of atheists to attempt to drive a wedge between the believer and the Almighty. And if you resort to name calling, then you're letting the enemy win.

      @ Bucky: I appreciate that God created intelectual people like you to explain all this quantum physics stuff to those of us who don't and probably could never attend Cal Tech (which is huge by the way, congrats on that). That stuff is way over my head! Not that I'm not interested in science and how everything works, but I choose to believe that the very nature and complexity of the universe, and the complexity of the human body for example, is proof enough of a devine architect. Can all of that really just happen by chance, by particles slamming into each other at high speeds? Obviously I am idiot when it comes to science, again thank God for people like you. The Mona Lisa is an amazing work of art, but it didn't paint itself. To me the universe and everything in and around it is the ultimate work of art, and I believe God is the artist. You may call me delusional, and that's ok, because I can see, feel, and touch the many blessings that the Lord has presented me in my life. So if being delusional means that he will continue to bless me and my family, then delusional am I. Actually, I do have a scientific question for you, has anyone ever tried to recreate how scientist believe life was created, and were they successful? I'm actually asking out of intelectual curiosity. I have no idea if it's ever been tested or recreated.

      March 5, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    March 3, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • the Pope

      Prayer changes diapers, but they just fill up again.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • bringoutyourdead

      Demon reply is based on fear and terror of soul

      March 4, 2012 at 6:27 am |
    • Jesus

      ~~The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs.

      March 5, 2012 at 8:30 am |
  19. Stacy

    How predictable..CNN does a piece about another fringe religious group so the atheists can have a turkey shoot.

    March 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Dennis

      Stacy, pick any other religion, then. Your choice. The shooting at that whole flock of turkeys known as religion always presents easy marks.

      March 3, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • derp

      Yes because those normal jesustards who believe in talking snakes and magic apples are to be taken far more seriously than a jesustard with a tat.

      March 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
  20. Nii Croffie

    HIPPY as I said legalistic arguements serve only 2 dent ur credibility as u oversimplify things. Genocide is a loaded legal term n either u've more facts than de Bible provides or u totally misunderstand de import of ur words.

    March 3, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • Dennis

      "legalistic arguements serve only 2 dent ur credibility",

      Nii, that bizarre statement sure doesn't do anything positive for your own credibility.

      March 3, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
    • Nii Croffie

      Dennis was that the only thing which u read in my post or it was the only thing u understood?

      March 3, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Comment by Nii Croffie is an instance of a False Dilemma fallacy and incorporates ad hominem elements.


      March 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
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