March 6th, 2012
09:09 AM ET
Daniel Pearl's proxy baptism by Mormons upsets family
Read the Belief Blog's story about Daniel Pearl's proxy baptism and our explainer on why Mormons perform baptisms for the dead.
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The important question here is how does Daniel Pearl feel about it? If Daniel Pearl lives on, then he lives to make a choice – and, if he does not, it should not matter. I think there is a lack of graciousness toward Mormons who, with the kindest intent, take time out of their lives to do what they believe God has commanded all men to do...to be baptized of the water and of the Spirit. Who else is going to do this work? And, if in the eyes of others, this work is not needed, what harm can it do? Ask Daniel Pearl and if you cannot ask Daniel Pearl, then leave it alone. I would guess Mormons are pleased with whatever devotions Jews make on their behalf. It would be nice if all were so gracious.
Has everyone lost their brains? Baptism after death? So what exactly do you do, lure a dead person's spirit to a Mormon temple with the promise of a poppyseed danish, some holograms of Eddy Cantor and Fanny Bryce, and then while the spirit consumes the danish and tries to put his hand up Fanny's dress, you sneak behind it with a bucket of holy water, like they did with the Wicked Witch of the West in "The Wizard of Oz?" and Poof! You're a Mormon. Daniel Pearl, wherever he is is very disappointed at his parents' Moronism, but he would like a second date with "Baby Snooks" if Mitt Romney can arrange it!
If the Mormons were capable of showing any sympathy at all, they would fall in line with the more traditional "Christian" viewpoint – consigning all those who do not share their beliefs to an eternity of torment in Hell.
With everything which aappers to be building within this specific subject material, many of your opinions are relatively exciting. Nevertheless, I beg your pardon, because I do not give credence to your whole plan, all be it exhilarating none the less. It would seem to me that your opinions are generally not entirely rationalized and in fact you are yourself not even entirely convinced of the point. In any case I did appreciate reading it.
Proxy baptism of the dead is satanic. End of story.
Secretly Baptizing dead people, which they neither their family requested, is likely to continue regardless of Mormon leaders admonitions, as they well know, since the Mormons have mostly already baptized the majority of their own accessible ancestors and to continue to have a reason to 'go through' their temples they must have names of the dead to do the 'work'. They will use the same names over and over, in absence of a ready supply of new ones, concurrently in different temples. The truth is the 'Baptism' side of the ritual is the tip of the iceberg and takes only seconds to perform and is merely a prelude to the more secret 'Endowment' performed by proxy for the recently baptized dead person in the temple which takes up to an hour. This secret endowment is what I would be more concerned with if I were a member of the family of the victims of this travesty such as Andy Pearl's family and any one else in the same predicament. It would be interesting to see the Mormon Official response to an inquiry from such a concerned family member as to the precise nature of the oaths and covenants that have been made within this 'secret endowment' in behalf of their dead relatives. This is all the more concerning when we consider that such as Andy Pearl proclaimed his own faith immediately prior to him being murdered because of his own faith.
I don't see why it's a big deal. They are trying to baptize everyone who ever lived, because the Bible says you have to be baptized to get into Heaven. If it's a waste of time, then who cares? If it's not, then it will end up being a good thing they did it, right? Everyone thinks it's a ridiculous waste of time, so just move on. They'll keep doing it. It's certainly not hurting anything.
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I personally go to Mormon cemetaries and perform my Convert Dead Mormon Souls Into Satanic Demons And Reincarnate Them As Skittering Cockroaches ceremony. The process cannot be resisted by the dead, who are pulled out of Mormon Heaven (which everyone else would call "Hell") and pushed through the playdough fun factory of the underworld, emerging as evil cockroaches (like there are good ones).
I used to perform my famous Exorcism Of Religious Delsusion ritual on all the dead, but let's face it: so many of them deserve to be cockroaches.
Legally speaking, you can't libel/slander the dead.
Prayer changes things
As a non-Mormon christian I would say to you, is that so. I know for fact that there are loving and caring atheists out there that have healthy families but just don't believe. Does that make them or their kids any more evil? Absolutely not! I may not agree with them fundamentally, but that doesn’t necessarily make them less human. When people mind their own business, life is more fruitful. It's when idiots of any denomination or not, impose their beliefs onto others, that's unhealthy, that’s evil.
Steve.. " does not make them necessarily less human" ..Steve.. we are all the same..get over it. We do not believe in your god ..that's all.. most of us would accept god if there was indisputable evidence for it. Things that would be totally out side the realm of coincidence or chance.. We atheists have very different views out side of our one understanding.. some agree with abortion, some don't, some have no opinion..some like the taste of cinnamon others, like me, hate it. To think we are "evil" ( I know that is not what you think) because of our once disbelief is very irrational.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs~~
studies cited are proven false for some time now. For wholesome and effective study, study God in prayer
just sayin been proven a liar for some time now. If you unsure of how to proceed, do the opposite of whatever justsayin prescribes. You'll be fine.
Prayer changes things
"Prayer changes things
Since you are the same poster "just sayin" – you've been proven to be a LIAR!
To it that takes the Lords name in vain. You have no authority of any kind over a believer. You also have been proven wrong so many times that you have no credibility on anything. Can't help you out, you have proved yourself useless. Try God in prayer.
"To it that takes the Lords name in vain. You have no authority of any kind over a believer. You also have been proven wrong so many times that you have no credibility on anything."
You've been proven a LIAR over and over again under all of the names you use on this blog – you're the one who has no credibility. You keep trying to say the studies aren't true without any facts to back your opinion because you are lying again.
"Sagman, Bennett, Robbins, Oppenheim and Taff, may I help you?" "Yes, I want to sue someone for putting the kibosh on a dead family member."
Why are people acting like baptisms for the dead is something new, strange, different? Don't they study the Bible? Baptisms for the dead is an ordinance right out of the Bible, practiced during the Apostle Paul's time. 1 Corinthians 15:29. The Catholics put a stop to that practice, just like they altered many other things in the Bible at the Nicene Creed in 325 A.D.
Criminal sanctions would put an end to this cult madness.
Throw some Mormons in prison and fine the Church big bucks and this madness will stop.
For what exactly? Violation of a spirit's right? Negligent Nirvanicide?
Actualy libel and slander would be viable paths.
Falsely representing someone as being a memebr of your cult would fly quite well in certain areas.
Get either a Jewish or Evangelical judge and you might get a significant finding against them
At a minimum you could get an injunction making the behavior illegal in the future.
If I understand the proxy baptism idea correctly, it does not induct the person into the Mormon religion. They are not claiming any of them as Mormons and even if they were I'm not sure how exactly that would be slander or libel. They aren't claiming Daniel Pearl himself got baptized.
Don't get me wrong this procedure is completely ludicrous, but fighting it in court is equally idiotic, in my mind.
Would you feel that way if the guy who was beheaded was your son?
If his father capped Romney, I could not in good faith vote to convict him of anything more than littering.
Freedom of religion and freedom of speech...the two reasons why baptisms for the dead are going on and why they will continue. Baptisms for the dead is an ordinance right out of the Bible, practiced during the Apostle Paul's time. 1 Corinthians 15:29. Why are people acting like it is something new, strange, different? Don't they study the Bible?
Who knows what they’ll think of behind closed doors?
"If his father capped Romney, I could not in good faith vote to convict him of anything more than littering."
Yet another reason to question your judgement.
Absolutely! Not only can defamation legally come into play but they could be accused of psychological grave theft, which is a felony.
Here is the URL of the video of the beheading of Daniel Pearl.
Can you get me Marilyn Monroe's autopsy footage?
No, sorry, I mainly follow the jihadists.
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Reblogged this on Meir Weiss' Blog.
Simple enough to nullify...just get Bill Maher to perform another un-baptism ceremony....lol
But why reverse it? It may give you a second chance to say no.
Enjoy your time in the Sun. We mortals, only exist, because conditions are right for a split moment in an Eternity. All conditions will change. Change is the only constant. We do not know, with any degree of certainty, if our whole known Universe is not just a tiny teeny spec in ocean of specs, inside some cosmic petri dish. So, it is possible that we don’t exist at all, because there is probably no microscope powerful enough, on that level, to verify our existence. Galaxies will collide. Our Sun will die. And like this post, all our ideologies, ideas, thoughts, opinions, believes, laws, struggles, etc., are meaningless. All will pass into oblivion. Including those “special cases” that proclaim somehow to be significant, deserving and in sole possession of Eternal Life, as their corpses turn to dust. To my knowledge, no human corpse has yet come back to Life. We don’t like to admit it, but we (“God’s chosen people”) are not much different from yeast, just before the fermentation process had reached 12% alcohol level. Be grateful and content in this moment. Enjoy your time in the Sun!
It doesn't matter whether anyone in some "macro-verse" can or can't verify our existence. We verify our own existence, Yeesh.
Man, You must be the life of the parties you attend.