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Hebrew atheist billboard gets bumped in New York
The American Atheists' president acknowledged that the pair of new billboards will likely cause a stir, and the did.
March 7th, 2012
02:51 PM ET

Hebrew atheist billboard gets bumped in New York

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–A controversial billboard from a national atheist group was scheduled to go up in a heavily populated Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn on Tuesday but was bumped when the owner of the building objected to the advertisement.

CNN first reported the billboards were targeting Muslim and Jewish enclaves with, “You know it’s a myth … and you have a choice,” written on billboards in Arabic and Hebrew.

The Brooklyn billboard was in English and Hebrew. To the right of the text on the Hebrew sign is the word for God, Yahweh.

American Atheists president David Silverman said he went to the Brooklyn location when the billboard was scheduled to be put up with reporters and was surprised to see it was not being erected. “We sat there and watched and the billboard didn't go up,” he said. "The Jewish landlord of the building saw the billboard and refused to let it go up," he said.

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Silverman said it was a clear case of religious bigotry. "It was very disappointing to me because I was raised Jewish," he said by phone from New York. "They've been the victims of religious bigotry and now they're the purveyors."

When reached by phone, Kenneth Stier the owner of the building that rejected the billboard in the heavily Orthodox Jewish neighborhood, offered a polite “no comment” on the matter.

Silverman said the billboard has been moved out of the residential area and put up in a pricier spot off a major highway at no additional cost. He added that while it was nice to have more visibility, his group was specifically targeting that Brooklyn neighborhood.

Jim Cullinan, vice president for marketing & communications for Clear Channel told CNN in an e-mail, “We found space for both ads and this contract is being fulfilled,” but would not comment on moving the billboard out of the residential area in Brooklyn.

“It is against our policy to comment on any of our advertisers' campaigns,” he wrote.

Silverman said he was disappointed by the development. “We wanted to get into the residential neighborhood because so many Hasidic are closeted atheists,” he said.

He said they received over a dozen e-mails from closeted atheist Hasidim who thought they were alone until news of the ad campaign broke.

"This is why atheists need to come out of the closet," Silverman said.

Silverman again reiterated the signs advertise the American Atheists’ upcoming convention and an atheist rally, called the Reason Rally, in Washington scheduled for April.

Atheists have long pointed to surveys that suggest atheists and agnostics make up between 3% and 4% of the U.S. population. That number increases when Americans unaffiliated with any religion are included. The Pew Center’s U.S. Religious Landscape Survey found that 16% are unaffiliated, though only a fraction of those are avowed atheists and agnostics.

Silverman told CNN last week he knew that the pair of new billboards will cause a stir.

“People are going to be upset,” he said. “That is not our concern.”

“We are not trying to inflame anything,” he continued. “We are trying to advertise our existence to atheist in those communities. The objective is not to inflame but rather to advertise the atheist movement in the Muslim and Jewish community.”

CNN's Dan Merica contributed to this report.

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  1. Mick

    Victims of bigotry? It's a meaningless word in the godless world. There are no victims in a meaningless existence. We are all pointless beings on a death march on a speck of a dust in the cold, vast universe. There is no right or wrong so therefore no victims.

    March 8, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • lee s

      I agree with you Herr Nietsche.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      According to the Euthyphro Dilema, Either God is upholding a higher law, therefore making Him non-omnipotent, or He makes the law, or moral rules He set forth. If He makes the law, then the law is arbitrary. It's only the law because He said so. So if morality is arbitrary, then right and wrong are arbitrary, even under God's laws.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Mick,
      Just because some preacher doesn't spo.on feed you your "purpose" in life doesn't mean that the rest of us don't find meaning in our own lives.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Troll Detector

      Mick is trolling the weird inaccurate stereotype Christians have of atheists, ignoring that none of us actually think that way. He is just doing the troll personification of an atheist straw man.

      Nietzsche (get the spelling right, lee) did not belief that. Mick just put out a basic nihilist position as understood by a Christian anti-nihilist. Nietzsche does put forward ideas of meaning and morality – they are crucial to his vision.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Mick

      you "found" meaning in your meaningless existence? where was it hiding?. apparently our reasonless cosmo decided when it created you by mere chance that it would hide your meaning. how cute.

      March 8, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • Nonimus

      Some Definitions of FIND
      transitive verb
      : to discover by study or experiment
      : to discover by the intellect or the feelings : experience
      : to perceive (oneself) to be in a certain place or condition
      : to bring (oneself) to a realization of one's powers or of one's proper sphere of activity
      : to determine and make a statement about

      March 8, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  2. IslandAtheist

    The people that " know it's a myth" are the fastest growing group in America... the cats out of the bag.

    March 8, 2012 at 10:55 am |
  3. William Demuth

    BRC

    Ever since Doc and Cap broke up, Cap just hasn't been the same.

    We tried to get him some hormone shots, but he just cries the days away.

    That Canadian broke his little redneck heart!

    March 8, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • BRC

      Honestly. I'm not a big fan of speculation (as we all know most atheists aren't), but it really seems like at some point some unkind gentleman slept with or belittled the poor Captain's mother, and all that man left behind was a hockey puck.

      In the light of such evidence, what else could a man do besides swear off all real maple syrup (Vermont is like Canada light anyway) and scream to the heavens "D4MN YOU CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!! !"

      March 8, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • William Demuth

      We need a Christian army to invade Canada to regain Caps honor from the evil Canadian villian Doc.

      We must teach those Ice Backs to show some repect for the affections of our American Bible thumpers!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Yeah William but you have already declared yourself to be the same as a Muslim Terrorist mastermind.

      I guess I will try to play the Christian Christopher Hitchens. 🙂

      March 8, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • William Demuth

      Mark from Middle River

      That’s GENERAL Atheist Terrorist Mastermind if you please.

      Make the children of Abraham fight for their inheritance! Then pick up the few pieces that remain!

      Even Doctor Evil would approve, and even you have to admit it is working!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      There was just something about that night down on the Captain's armadillo farm. Maybe it was the tobacco juice dribbling down his chin or the way the moonlight reflected off his whiskey stained wife-beater, but as soon as he opened his toothless mouth and said "howdy y'all", I just had to break off a piece of that backwoods ar.se.
      The few hours we spent with those specially trained moose and beavers at the Jolly Goat Motel were special, but
      I made it perfectly clear that it was just a one night stand.
      Cap'n, I know you long for me to call you "mon pet.it chou" while being violated by my hockey stick, but it could never work out between us. I have my family here in Canada and you have your harem of jealous armadillos.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:14 am |

    • What passes between an American and his armadillo is best left unspoken.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:17 am |
    • William Demuth

      Doc

      PRICELESS!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • sam

      That was beautiful. Now I'm verklempt.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:28 am |
  4. Prayer changes things

    Return Christian prayer to the public school systems? Sounds right to me. Removing prayer was a bad idea gone wrong in the first place, a little more right thinking in the Supreme Court and America will be turned back to God.

    March 8, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • William Demuth

      Fat chance!

      America wants to party!

      Let the Canadians worship, we want to get laid!

      March 8, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • BRC

      @William,
      I think Doc and a few others here might take issue with that.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • captain america

      Doc is a butt in canadian so its opinion don't amount to a day old pile of dog sh it in our country. There's your sign

      March 8, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @cap'n just sayin' isn't healthy
      Shut your festering, bigoted gob you xenophobic twit.
      Sincerely,
      Rational North Americans

      March 8, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • AGuest9

      So, you're going to force someone else's views on my children? Get outta here!

      March 8, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • captain america

      Mind your own F'n business Doc. Go screw up your own country, your value is already established here, day old dog sh it is the best you will ever rate here. There's your sign

      March 8, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Prayer changes things

      Right standing with God and prayer is the strength of the nation. We were wrong to see prayer removed from the schools by the Supreme Court, just as the Supreme Court was once wrong about slavery. That can be remedied. Right thinking people on the Court can return America to its Christian values.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Jesus

      "Right standing with God and prayer is the strength of the nation. We were wrong to see prayer removed from the schools by the Supreme Court, just as the Supreme Court was once wrong about slavery. That can be remedied. Right thinking people on the Court can return America to its Christian values."

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • myweightinwords

      Christian prayer is allowed in public schools, as is Muslim prayer and Jewish prayer, etc.

      It simply can not be enforced by a staff member on all children.

      Simple, really. And const.itutionally correct.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      The reason prayer was taken out of schools was because Christians can't agree with each other. A landmark court case, Santa Fe Independent School Dist. v. Doe, was filed by 2 mothers, one Catholic and one Mormon. Christians took prayer out of school because they did not want the state telling their kids how to pray.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • William Demuth

      lunchbreaker

      Look at you muddying up the water with facts!

      How Atheist of you!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • lee s

      Yea, lets teach children that instead of actually facing your problems, you can just wish them away.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      Nothing wrong with daily prayer in catholic schools (although it isn't done here anymore), but everything wrong with forcing religious habits on children in a public school. You want your children to pray in school? Then just send them to a catholic (or Islamic or Jewish) school, ok?

      March 8, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      "Let the Canadians worship, we want to get laid!"

      No, we don't want the crap of worshiping false idols either! Prayer is best left unspoken and never taught to children. Teaching children to think for themselves is far more important.

      March 8, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
  5. just sayin

    Atheism clearly defined, President George H W Bush said an atheist is not a patriot and should not be a citizen of this country.

    March 8, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      That same president said "I don't care what the facts are" – perhaps the finest summation of dogmatic religion I've ever heard.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • William Demuth

      Conservatisim Hero George the Second?

      Even his father thinks he is an idiot!

      He should have stuck with the cocaine and let his brother be president.

      Then we probably wouldn't have lost on Afghanistan and Iraq.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • BRC

      @just sayin,
      I try to keep a civil tone on these boards, but statements like yours strain my ability to do so. I am an atheist, a pretty ardent one, who believes that even if there were actually gods, at teh very least all organized man made religions are pretty obviously false. That being said, I am very patriotic, serve in the Armed Forces, and would be more than happy to put myself in positions that risk my life so that people who I find to be intentionally ignorant can continue to hold and express beleifs that make no sense and have absolutely no proof.

      SO, if you believe, have fun with that. If you think others are wrong because they don't believe, you're welcome to your opinion (there's no conclussive evidence either way). But do not presume to know the thoughts and motivations of people you have never met and couldn't possibly hope to understand. The accuracy and validity of your statements is already questionable at its best, try not to go making it worse by guessing at even more things you are unlikely to get right.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • captain america

      If that is the White House view of home grown idiots, what shall we think of foreigners plying their evil doctrines on our shores. The worst deceptions are insidious canadians like Doc here using the good relations of two countries as a sick excuse to attack the moral foundation of our great land and call our noble leaders into question. No mistake about Doc Vestibule and its ilk are every bit the danger that Muslim extremists pose and more so because it comes as a wolf in sheeps clothing.canadian atheists exposed as the dog sh it they are. There's your sign

      March 8, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • just sayin

      Nice rant willie, wrong Bush.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Brad

      just sayin-

      I was surprised that Bush Sr. did say exactly that on in an interview on August 27, 1987:

      Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?
      Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.
      Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?
      Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.
      Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?
      Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

      George H. W. Bush didn't put much thought into a lot of things he said. It was a mark of how isolated he was from ordinary Americans. Anyway, if he represented anyone then, he doesn't now. Why bring him up?

      March 8, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • J.W

      Is there a recording that shows him actually saying that? He did also say there should be separation of church and state in the same quote.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • just sayin

      BRC
      Not only do I believe it, the overwhelming majority of Americans believe it and we are in good company. In God we trust. You can take a slow boat to hell, try not to take innocents with you.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • William Demuth

      Sayin

      You haven't realized they are clones?

      Jeb as well, but he was on top in the test tube, and apparently got more oxygen before birth!

      March 8, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • J.W

      In a democracy people of all beliefs should be able to live together and all have the same rights. We should all live the way we think is right. We don't need it to be some power struggle.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • AGuest9

      So, if you're using that buffoon as a standard of measure, you're an even bigger fool.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • BRC

      Your standard useless threat of sending me to a place I don't believe in aside (as for the taking innocents with me, what part of I'm in the military and spend my time trying to protect other people's lives don't you get?); I'm not sure what your point is.

      Are you saying that most people believe in a god- because no kidding, pretty sure we all know that here;
      or are you saying that most people believe that atheists aren't patriots- because that would once again be a case of you making a claim that you had absolutely no evidence or possibility of supporting.

      I will begrudgingly admit that you have managed to frustrate me, but I find solice in the fact that anyone with a clear understanding of logic, reasoning, or at this point basic arithmatic can tell that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • BRC

      In my haste and frustration I forgot to adress that last comment. It was for just sayin if that wasn't already obvious.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Just Sayin – interesting that u=you put stock in anything that retard Bush said. You know he was just a talking meat puppet don't you? As for not being a citizen or unpatriotic? That is just one more stupid ass thing Bush said that i'm sure all of the conservative fundamentalist christian meat-puppets actually believe. Personally, 24 years in the Army with multiple combat tours in crappy places for my country and I would put my uniform back on right now in defense of my country, does that qualify me as being patriotic?

      March 8, 2012 at 11:48 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      Did Bush really say that? And he was never indicted for saying that?

      March 8, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      If your looking for definitions, try Webster's next time.

      March 8, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  6. William Demuth

    Thiests are fools, and we have a moral obligation to point that out.

    Cult minded people are dragging us closer to your beloved Apocalypse than many of us find acceptable.

    We shall use any and all means to see an end to ridiculous religious bigotry with our country and our world.

    March 8, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • Nonimus

      "We shall use any and all means..."

      Who's "we"? You don't speak for Atheists or Agnostics.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:58 am |
    • SPA Knight

      William – no offense but who appointed atheists as the bearers of our national moral compass? I don't oppose your views and believe you have every right to express them but not at the expense or censorship of other voices in the public square. It seems to me that the bigotry here is in reverse.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • William Demuth

      I speak for those I chose to. Its a skill I learned from preachers!

      We are at war. Few Athiests see it yet, but I have known it all along!

      Death to the Fidels!

      Science AKBAR!

      BOOM

      March 8, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • SPA Knight

      Forgot to take your medicine today friend? The battlefield is your soul which you cannot see because science cannot prove that it exists. Sorry just having a little fun.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Its a skill I learned from preachers!"

      Nice to see the followers of Pat Robertson and Westburo Baptist Terry Jones cross the Faith and Belief lines. 🙂

      March 8, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • William Demuth

      Mark from Middle River

      I am the Atheist Osama!

      Just promote war between the cults and count up the corpses!

      Next I shall go to war with Iran, and use Christian Volunteer to do my killing of Muslims for me!

      Then, if they survive and make it back, I shall have given their jobs to Hindu's!

      March 8, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • Nonimus

      @William Demuth,
      Listen to SPA Knight and check your medication. Neither Atheism nor Science make any commandments or obligations to do anything, let alone kill anyone.

      "Death to Fidels" While a cute turn-about phrase, is ridiculous and illogical.

      Get help, soon.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      Nonimus

      You do understand parody right?

      A tool to entertain the enlightened and annoy the clueless

      Are you entertained, or annoyed?

      March 8, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Nonimus

      I wonder if Poe's law applies to the writer as well as the writing?

      March 8, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • OnWhatBasis

      It's comments like this that truly reveal the motive and intent of atheists. The authenticated, innerrant, infallible word of God says the fools are those who say there is no God. If I have to make a choice between your opinion and Scripture, I am choosing Scripture every time.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • William Demuth

      OnWhatBasis

      The MAJORITY of humans believe you have the wrong scripture, so Good luck, cause Allah is gonna use your gas vent as a gift to a suicide bomber.

      He needs 72 of you for each one of them!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:41 am |
  7. Mandy

    You don't have to believe its a free Country. But you also don't have to bash other peoples beliefs freedom of religion means all religion. If you don't like it get over it, get your panties out of a wad and be an adult. No one is forcing anyone to believe or not to believe. Make the choice for yourself and go on about your lives.

    March 8, 2012 at 9:00 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      You are absolutely right. But as I see it, the danger is that some religious Republicans want to force other people, not to believe, but to live by the rules of THEIR religion.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • sam stone

      It also means freedom FROM religion

      March 8, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      If its a free country I can bash as I please.

      Having been bashed, I enjoy returning the favor.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Nonimus

      @Mandy,
      In general, I agree. However, if someone is using their religious beliefs to restrict the rights of others via legislation, then it seems incu.mbent upon the citizenry to oppose those measures, e.g. creationism in science class, same-se.x marriage bans, faith-based initiatives, etc.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:03 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Having been bashed, I enjoy returning the favor."

      William... Bin Laden said the same thing.

      "Some American writers have published articles under the ti'tle 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth – as an explanation and warning – hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him. While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

      (Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
      (Q2) What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

      As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

      (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
      a. You attacked us in Palestine:
      b. You attacked us in Somalia;
      c. Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver)

      A week ago an Atheist was "bashed" on his head because a Muslim felt that they were "bashing" their faith.

      Where does it stop William?

      March 8, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • William Demuth

      Mark from Middle River

      Obviously, when only one head is left.

      You see two guys both try to bash at once, and whoever is faster lives.

      Its the way of man!

      March 8, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"Its the way of man!"

      ...Yeah, which is one of the major reasons women outlive men.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:20 am |
  8. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    The following new billboards are currently under consideration:

    #1

    How much money would the following save the US taxpayers ?:

    Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
    There never were and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror like 9/11.

    – One trillion dollars over the next several years as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan will end.

    – Eighteen billion dollars/yr to Pakistan will stop.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Egypt will end.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Billboard #2

    How much money would the following save the US taxpayers ?:

    Saving 2 billion lost Christians including the Mormons:
    There were never any bodily resurrections and there will never be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity!!!

    – The Mormon empire will now become taxable as will all Christian "religions" and evangelical non-profits since there are no longer any claims to being tax-exempt religions.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Billboard #3

    How much money would the following save the US taxpayers ?:

    Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Israel saved.

    – All Jewish sects and non-profits will no longer be tax exempt.

    March 8, 2012 at 8:58 am |
  9. Lady_Dragon0612

    "Unaffiliation" does not mean "unbelief"..........I believe God with everything that is in me.........HOWEVER, I think man-made religion is a farce..........that means ALL religions;

    March 8, 2012 at 8:39 am |
  10. Brad

    I don't find atheist views any more or less provocative than those of various religious groups. They are rare in any sort of public forum, however. I'd like to encourage non-theists to speak out more, get out their billboards, do radio spots etc. Diversity in viewpoints is a good thing. I need to have my own views challenged:

    But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God. John 3:21

    March 8, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • momoya

      Atheists will believe in unicorns, fairies, goblins, gods, ghosts, werewolves, vampires, etc.. when proof is made available to believe in them.. There's no need to believe in werewolves or gods until proof is provided

      March 8, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • Reality

      Only for the newbies:

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Most contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with John's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      March 8, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      "In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane": yeah, even most catholic priests agree with that now! 🙂

      March 8, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • Nonimus

      @Brad,
      I like your perspective, well said.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Brad
      Your welcome perspective is unfortunately rare.
      Everyone should be open to having their beliefs challenged.
      If those beliefs are valid, they can't be lessened or invalidated by proper scrutiny.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  11. I'm The Best!

    For all those theists asking to prove god doesn't exist, I have a question for you, despite the fact the burden of proof is on you. How does god perform miracles? There are only 4 forces in our universe which cannot and have never been broken. This shows that it is completely impossible for a personal god to exist. So why do you believe in something that is impossible?

    March 8, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • JA

      Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ ja
      Correct, so god is impossible and therefore no god exists. Even if that doesn't make sense to you, science doesn't lie. There is no god.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • momoya

      @JA

      What are you talking about??.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      Science just hasn't come far enough yet to explain or account for everything that is yet inexplicable. So theists think "god" is the explanation, pretty much the same like people who didn't understand one thing about thunder and lightning or the sun coming up every morning, attributed these inexplicable phenomena to god or gods. By the way: Michelangelo's God in the Sistine Chapel is the spitting image of Zeus.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:33 am |
    • Brad

      A miracle would be a suspension of physical laws. Possibly more than that: an interruption in the order that underlies reality. They are impossible events, but supposedly have occurred.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ brad
      Mermaids supposedly lured ships to their deaths but that doesn't mean you should believe they're real. Supposedly isn't good enough for a rational person to believe in a god.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • JA

      @momoya ~wisdom from a Vulcan, im a trekki nerd, just thought this would be a good place to quote.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Chad

      God created the entire universe, time and space. Resurrecting Jesus Christ was not that difficult 🙂

      March 8, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Brad

      ITB-

      "Supposedly" is a hedge – I have never seen or experienced something that is impossible. I can't deny that things that are impossible under the order by which reality works might actually occur.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ chad
      There is no real proof that that event happened. We don't know anything about the people who wrote the bible but we do know the Romans were very good record keepers and they never mentioned the event

      March 8, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      The Romans really didn't want to crucify Jesus, but they were under pressure from the Jewish population and Pilate couldn't risk an uprising. So they put him to the cross, gave him a support for his feet so he wouldn't choke, and took him off 3 hours later. Hence why the two disciples who were going to Emmaus, saw Jesus "in the flesh" and that's why Thomas could really touch his wounds. Besides, the "embalming" pommades and herbs as described in the Bible to embalm Jesus' body, were in fact medicinal creams to heal his wounds.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • momoya

      I thought that phrase was uttered by "Sherlock Holmes"/Sir A.C. Doyle.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • JA

      could be but Spock said it all the time.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Nonimus

      @I'm the Best!,
      As much as I think the end result is no god, I don't think this particular reasoning is correct. I think the current hypotheses are that the normal laws of physics, with the possible exception of gravity, breakdown at high energy densities, e.g. black holes and the hypothetical Big Bang singularity.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • Dan

      Well I'm an atheist, but that's just silly. Easy enough to say that God can violate the laws of nature if he chooses to. "God works in mysterious ways" is the easiest and most common out there is whenever something that a so-called loving and just god would not allow. When people are thanking God that, say, they decided not to breakfast in the WTC on 9/11 as they normally do. Well what about those that died? God doesn't care about them? Stoopid.

      What do you expect, that the millions who believe will say, "Damn, I never thought of that!! I'm The Best is right! God doesn't exist!"

      March 8, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      @ nonimus
      Those are special conditions that don't help the argument of a personal god here on earth. God altering physics would be detected by someone here on earth. Even if its just a little bit, it would still be seen by someone.

      @ Dan
      I refer to my response above, someone would notice those mysterious ways because of strange occurrences in physical data.
      And yes, that is kinda what I hope would happen. "hmm, looking at it like that, its obvious no god can exist."

      March 8, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • Nonimus

      @I'm The Best!,
      "God altering physics would be detected by someone here on earth."
      I thought you were basing the impossibility of god(s) on the impossibility of breaking the laws of physics, which doesn't appear to be an impossibility, therefore, by that line of reasoning, god is also not an impossibility.
      That's all I'm saying.

      Not that I think god exists, or doesn't exist for that matter, just that this doesn't "prove" the impossibility of god(s).

      March 8, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • Chad

      @I'm The Best! "There is no real proof that [the resurrection of Jesus Christ] happened.

      evidence for the resurrection of Jesus:
      1. Jesus claimed to be the Jewish Messiah
      2. Jesus was crucified and buried in a tomb
      3. three days later that tomb was found to be empty
      4. Jesus appeared to many people, followers, skeptics and enemies
      5. All of those people had incredibly dramatic changes in their belief and behavior following those events, from denying Jesus and running from authorities, to proclaiming that Jesus had been bodily resurrected in the face of persecution and death.

      Those are all accepted historical facts.
      How do you explain them?

      March 8, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      They're not facts. People might have thought they saw something, or claimed they did. That doesn't mean they actually saw what you believe they did.

      There's no proof of anything in your statements, as usual.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Person

      Chad,
      "Those are all accepted historical facts."

      No, they are not.

      Your god left shoddy evidence... and, if omniscient, should have known better.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      "God created the entire universe, time and space"

      Who created god Chad? If everything needs a creator, then enlighten us with the answer.

      March 8, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Hitchens

      They are facts Chad and facts accepted by most scholars of the ancient mid east.

      March 8, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Chad

      @ Person, @TT "Those are [not] accepted historical facts."
      @Chad: "Actually I don't bother arguing that those facts are facts any more, I'm happy just demonstrating that atheists adopting this position are forced to deny historical events nearly universally accepted by liberal NT scholars.

      ===================
      @TruthPrevails "Who created god Chad? If everything needs a creator, then enlighten us with the answer."
      @Chad "I said that everything that has a beginning needs a creator. God had no beginning, He has always been.
      The universe has a beginning, so it needs a creator.

      March 8, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
  12. yannaes

    No problem. Choose not to believe, that is a choice, of course, but good luck on the other side of this life. If you think you will die like a dog in the street and that is all there is, what an empty soul you must have. What is your god? Money, narcissism, hedonism, materialism, ego, preservation, selfishness and if you are an atheist, means a=without theos (greek) for god so you are without God. Sad..very Sad, indeed.

    March 8, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      I don't know if there is an afterlife, but if there is, why would you think it would have something to do with religion? If there IS an afterlife, there will be for believers and non-believers.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • momoya

      How does anyone know that this isn't the afterlife right now??.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @momoya: true! If reincarnation exists, then definitely this life would be the (or an) afterlife.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • yannaes

      If you were a student in History and did any form of research you would understand the developmental process of religion.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @Yannaes: in fact, I DID study history and classical philology (at Jesuite universities). It involved a lot of archeology, theology and comparising of religions too, so I DO understand that process very well. That's also one of the reasons I'm not religious anymore.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:21 am |
    • Nonimus

      @yannaes,
      "If you think you will die like a dog in the street and that is all there is, what an empty soul you must have."
      Why should we be any different than all the other animals on this planet, dog, cat, dolphin, ape, etc.? And, if I don't think souls exist, other than figuratively, why should I care about an empty one?

      March 8, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • SPA Knight

      BelgianWoman – why would a non-believer really care if there is an afterlife? I happen to believe that God is our source of life manifested in my soul (his life in me). Therefore, at the end of this life, I will return to him and be united with him for eternity once I resolve my sinful nature. If however I don't believe in him and love my sins more and reject him, then how can expect to be in his prescence at the end of my life? That would be illogical. By definition, hell is the absence of God's life and love. It is a free gift but must be accepted within our physical lifetime or we miss out and die by choice.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:18 am |
    • Nonimus

      @SPA Knight,
      "It is a free gift but must be accepted within our physical lifetime or we miss out and die by choice."
      I never quite understood this part. Why must it happen within our physical lifetime?

      March 8, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Dumb and dumber

      Actually, belief, for non-believers is NOT a "choice". (Are you saying we should SAY we believe when we DON'T...is your god stupid?)

      Non belief is rational, when one has studied science and comparative religion. The funny thing about THIS billboard is it references Yahweh, the "god of the armies", from a certain point in human history, in which it arose historically. Do you even know ANYTHING about that period, and why it arose, and why they chose to wowrship THIS god ?
      "good luck on the other side of this life"..means nothing. There IS no "other side of life". Life is life. That's all there is. You obviously NEED more. There IS no more. Grow up. Your assumption that what remains are "Money, narcissism, hedonism, materialism, ego, preservation, selfishness", are you ONLY options, tells us you have never been educated. We do not CHOOSE to be without a god, we KNOW there is none, and that you have a fantasy, and choose to stand by it, inthe face of ALL evidence. THAT is what is SAD.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @Spa Knight: "why would a non-believer really care if there is an afterlife?" Well, why wouldn't they? I'm not religious, anymore, but am curious to know if there is an afterlife or not. I think not. But if there is an afterlife, I tend to think that our spirit ("energy") may return to the eternal and universal "consciousness" or energy which we originated from. Is that "God"? Maybe, but if it is, he/it won't bother about what we earthlings called "sin". How can "not kwowing" be a sin? How can a god punish you for not kwowing or for not accepting things without any proof? Why did he give us a brain and common sense if we were not meant to use it?

      March 8, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • TR6

      Yes, exactly! I have no god and my life has been much better since I got rid of the one my parents gave me. As for your threats of damnation, they are as empty and impotent as your nonexistent god

      March 8, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  13. Winona

    So, To all of you who don't believe, PROVE He doesn't exist. And why was my right to have prayer in school taken away when this 3-4%'s right not to have prayer was protected. That is when the schools began to fail our children. Respect for a higher authority became absent.

    March 8, 2012 at 7:39 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      I could ask you to prove the spaghettionster doesn't exist. Don't turn it around, please: if you claim something or someone exists, you have to come up with proof for it.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Hopa!

      and how would you pronounce that, BegiumWaffles, spuh-get-shin-ster?

      March 8, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Primewonk

      In science we wxplain things, we don't "prove" things. Proofs are for maths and ethanol. Also, when a person or groups asserts something exists or is fact, the onus is on them to support the assertion.

      Forced christian prayer was removed from school because we are not a christian nation. Public schools function as a de facto agent of government. The government is precluded from advancing any religion.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      *spaghettimonster

      March 8, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @Primewonk: do you mean that before, there WAS Christian prayer in PUBLIC schools?

      March 8, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • Brad

      BelgianWoman-

      I attended public school in the U.S. Many years ago my 3rd grade teacher held organized devotional times for her class every morning. This involved Bible readings and incense burning. I don't recall prayer but most likely that was involved too.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @Brad: wow, if that would happen here in a public school, there would be a big protest organised by the parents and probably that teacher would be fired. How can a secular state ever allow organised expressions of religion in a public, and thus neutral, school? Children here even don't pray in catholic schools anymore, although they do go to church on special occasions.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Prayer was taken out of schools because of thiests. One group of thiests didn't want another group of thiests to tell their kids how to pray. If you do your research, the primary court cases against prayer in schools were started by Catholics and Jews.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • Brad

      BelgianWoman-

      Even at the time the activity was not sanctioned, only allowed. Now, many prominent court cases later, such things are no longer allowed.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • sam stone

      winona: you cannot prove a negative. as far as prayer in schools, it is not the responsibility of the government to raise your kids. teach them to pray at home, or in church, or outside in the great wide open. if you want government sanction of them, you are barking up the wrong tree.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • Nonimus

      @Winona,
      "...why was my right to have prayer in school taken away..."

      ............................... It wasn't!

      Anyone, can pray in school if they so choose. Anyone, can bring a Bible to school. The only thing that was stopped was the school sanctiion/endorsed/enforced prayer. The children can pray all they want, on their own.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Sam, the you can not prove a negative will always be trumped by the the burden of proof of the person making the claim. Also, the teaching principle of En-Loco Parentis has been used to socially engineer students since the founding of the public school system.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • Primewonk

      Fundiots STILL seek to inject their particular brand to religion into public schools. In n anonymous poll a year or so ago, 30% of high school science teachers admitted to teaching CREATIONISM in science class. And just recently we saw good, fine christian folks send death threats to a 16 year old girl in Rhode Island who wanted a blatently christian prayer banner removed from her public school. You guys called for the death of a 16 year old girl!

      March 8, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • BRC

      @Mark,
      The person making the claim is the Theist. The claim is that there is a god, atheists simply dismiss the claim, because there is no proof. There is no obligation to try and prove a negative, because the affirmative statement has never actually been established.

      Now if tomorrow, "God" appears in the, simultaneusly visible to all manking, that is proof. From that day forward, it is the Atheist who is making a claim "despite what you have seen, "God" is not real". then it is on us to provide proof of why the entire world had the same vision at once.

      BUT, since there is nothing of the level (or any level) of proof available, the claim at hand is that there is a god. ti remains unproved, and can be dismissed until irrefutable evidence is provided.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • BRC

      Sorry, horrible typing on my part/ Should have read-
      "Now, if tomorrow "God" appears in the sky, simultaneusly visible to all mankind, that is proof."

      March 8, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      >>>"The person making the claim is the Theist. "

      BRC, that is not always true. Here on the Belief Blog we see that the claim of "There is no God" is often not said as a rebuttal but as an initial claim. Back in the day, it was the Faithful that most of the time made the claim of God or Gods but times have changed and it is the Atheist with pride making their claim. Then many get upset when the Faithful begin to echo past Atheist and ask for proof of their claim.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • BRC

      @Mark,
      True, there are Atheist who would personnaly make initial claims, but that wasn't the way I was looking at it. I was looking at it as more of a world claim. For thousands of years people of many faiths have claimed there are gods, but non have every been proven. That is what I was regarding as the standing claim (not any individual's statements). IF real proof is found, then the tables turn, for everyone, and it becomes atheists who must prove prove why the evidence is invalid.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Nonimus

      @Mark...,
      I would also say that, while science doesn't deal in "proof", the evidence leans toward there being no god(s). Studies on intercessory prayer show they are ineffectual. Studies on faith healing have not shown any valid cases of healing, I think. And, as far as I know, all investigations of alleged supernatural, or paranormal, phenomena have failed to produce any evidence the supernatural, or paranormal.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • TR6

      Typical self righteous Christian exaggerating and stretching the truth to the breaking point. The right to pray in school has never been taken away. Organized, state authorized, mandatory prayer was removed and good riddance.

      Christians get so whiney when they lose their special advantages and have to play on a level playing field

      March 8, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Primus said...

      Winona has a big brown beaver and she shows him off to all her friends...

      March 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
  14. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    prayer changes things .

    March 8, 2012 at 7:23 am |
    • Jesus

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!~~~~~~

      March 8, 2012 at 8:07 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      Well, it can give some comfort for people who are not strong enough to believe in themselves, but instead lie their life and fate in the hands of a god, thinking he will take care of everything.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:16 am |
    • just sayin

      Sadly studies quoted by it that takes the Lords name in vain have been proven false and the poor unfortunate does not even know it. Scholars everywhere suggest it study God in prayer for honest, wholesome results. God bless

      March 8, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Jesus

      "Sadly studies quoted by it that takes the Lords name in vain have been proven false and the poor unfortunate does not even know it. Scholars everywhere suggest it study God in prayer for honest, wholesome results."

      You've been proven a LIAR over and over again. If you could prove it wrong you would have used it by now but sadly all you have is your lying opinion.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • Primewonk

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      March 8, 2012 at 8:34 am |
    • just sayin

      Truth Wonderful Truth
      Truth yesterday
      Truth today
      Truth for tomorrow
      Truth Wonderful Life Changing Truth
      God Bless

      March 8, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • Jesus

      "Truth Wonderful Truth
      Truth yesterday
      Truth today
      Truth for tomorrow
      Truth Wonderful Life Changing Truth"

      The TRUTH is prayer is a waste of time.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • just sayin

      Poor deluded blasphemer, a double minded person unstable in all it's ways, more the pity. Study God in prayer. God bless.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Rather have a double mind than lack any at all, justcaptainliaratheist.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • just sayin

      Another idiot from the peanut gallery weighs in, no wait it is the same one ! There is only one person behind every post on every blog. What is that shadow over there? Does the shadow know?

      March 8, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Jesus

      "Another idiot from the peanut gallery weighs in, no wait it is the same one ! There is only one person behind every post on every blog"

      Actually you're wrong AGAIN and just proving what a LIAR you are. Tom Tom and I are NOT the same person.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • AGuest9

      Ah, the "Scholars everywhere" source. Proves NOTHING.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, you've got to hand it to justsayincanadiancaptaingoosestep. It believes everyone is as deceitful as it is.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      just spewin/captain ass/Atheism if not Healthy: WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!! Tom Tom, Jesus, AGuest9 and myself are all different people...sadly you can't say the say with your numerous handles. NOW provide the evidence outside of your corrupt mind and backed by science that proves prayer works or go back to your bridge troll. Scientific studies trump your buybull any day child.

      March 8, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Scott

      @just sayin:”Sadly studies quoted by it that takes the Lords name in vain have been proven false”

      Just another typical dishonest Christian lying for the faith. I call BS on you. Show your proof or STFU.

      “Scholars everywhere suggest it study God in prayer for honest, wholesome results.” Biblical scholars or ones with real degrees in science?

      March 8, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
  15. Susie

    God alread proved to me that he exists. I am sure he will get around to you Atheists soon. I wonder how many will heed His voice.

    March 8, 2012 at 6:39 am |
    • Susie

      already*

      March 8, 2012 at 6:39 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      DELUSIONAL!!! You are the equivalent of schizophrenic if you think god proved anything to you. Imaginary friends are for children and you can't provide the proof that your god exists outside of your own mind. Grow up little girl!

      March 8, 2012 at 6:45 am |
    • captain america

      No one in our country needs the opinion of a butt in canadian pos. One nation under God that's US.There's your sign

      March 8, 2012 at 7:33 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @CA: Take your meds and get off Mommy's computer. You make America look bad.

      March 8, 2012 at 7:37 am |
    • sam stone

      Hearing voices, Susie?

      March 8, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • AGuest9

      I'm sure there are meds that a doctor can help you with if "god" is talking to you. Please see someone soon.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Nonimus

      @Susie,
      Well, apparently, you aren't praying hard enough for Him to care about Atheists. So, pray harder!

      March 8, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
  16. Susie

    Here is my experience of Christians and Atheists.
    Christians tell you the truth...that behavior is bad for you (sins) but when you have gotten yourself in to deep trouble they are always there to help you start over.
    Atheists agree with everything you do until you really need help, then they are nowhere to be found.

    March 8, 2012 at 5:08 am |
    • Ken Oberman

      Incorrect.

      Believers think they know the truth, but they believe in a fairytale. This would be equivalent to me stating that there is a tooth fairy that lives in the 5th dimension of Keanu Reeve's mythical play land where Michael Jackson serves you warm milk and toast and that all of this information is fact. First, it's a myth. That is a fact. Also, this whole thing about "sin" is a myth as well. There is no such thing as sin. The bible would have to be true in order for sin to exist. But, since we know that the bible is nothing more than a collection of fables, we can safely state without a doubt that "sin" is in fact a myth. Christians are in short, incredibly stupid. The only reason a christian helps others out is because it makes them look good and they think they'll get into heaven for good deeds (the bible is not 100% clear on what god judges people on. In fact, it's contradictory). Atheists tend to avoid troublesome situations that will get them in trouble. This is why the majority of the prison population is comprised of christians. They commit the most crimes. Atheists are smart and know when to avoid trouble. See the correlation here?

      If you want to know who the dumbest people on the planet are, all you have to do is look at the percentage of christians in prison over all others. Seriously. They're fucking stupid beyond words. That's right susie, I'm talking to you.

      March 8, 2012 at 6:17 am |
    • Susie

      You don't believe in God because you have ignored His voice for so long that you are inured to Him. You know God exists but in your petty arrogance you hate the idea of giving up any control to the loving God who created you. The reason there are more Christians in prison is because all the dumb athiests got arrested and finally saw the light in prison. There are no athiests in foxholes or prison. See I can string together an Ad Hominem attack as well as you. If you would like to have an intelligent discourse go read the rules of logic and meet me back here later.

      March 8, 2012 at 6:26 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Susie: You are part of the reason people don't believe! Hypocrisy runs deep amongst believers. No, we don't believe in god due to refusing to hear his voice...we simply don't believe in god or any god for that matter because no god can be proven to exist. We don't need a book to tell us how to treat people. You can twist the prisoner thing all you wish but just this past weekend 2 people were sentenced to jail for killing a teenager due to believing the kid was a witch and they are believers in your god, so don't give us the crap that they are originally Atheists. Anyone who is an Atheist is not too likely to turn to theism unless they weren't an Atheist to begin with. The reason most Atheists are non-believers is because we have read the buybull and realize it is full of bat sh!t crazy stories written by men who never met one another over the course of 400 years in a day and age where knowledge was no quite as adavanced.
      So please enlighten us with what part of the delusion the buybull teaches we should agree with? Is it the oppression of women or child abuse, or animal sacrifice or in.cest or murder in general or maybe it's the part that tells another person who they can and can't love?
      Try living in the 21st century before telling us what you think you know about us!

      March 8, 2012 at 6:42 am |
    • captain america

      President George H W Bush told America that an atheist is not a patriot and should not be a citizen of the United States. If that is how the White House views home grown idiots how much less do we view "liar" prevails a canadian pos undermining the Godly foundations of our Republic? Dog sh it comes to mind. There's your sign

      March 8, 2012 at 7:36 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Ex-President Bush is not a founding father and his voice does not matter. He is as big of a bigot as you.

      March 8, 2012 at 7:38 am |
    • captain america

      We are in the overwhelming majority in OUR own country. In God WE trust.Your interference here is equal to a moral attack on the heart of America, and just as insidious as 9/11, perhaps more so as you use the peaceful relations between nations to ply your evil goods. You are exposed for the dog sh it you are. There's your sign

      March 8, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • Keith

      "Truth"?Prevails, You said: We don't need a book to tell us how to treat people.
      You miss the theme of the Bible. The theme is that Jesus is the Christ. He is the Way that God provided so that we might be reconciled to God. If you die in your current sinful state, you will go to the lake of fire and be separated eternally from God. It's not His will that any should perish-so He provided a means to mend our relationship to Him. If you try to say, "I'm not a Christian because of hypocrites like you.", that's a cop out. That's lame. Am I a hypocrite? You betcha ya. Do I want to be a hypocrite? No. Do I still sin? Yes, but if I confess that sin, God forgives me, I turn away from that sin and continue living. When I sin, the Holy Spirit convicts me of that sin. At that point, I have two choices: 1) rebellion or 2) repentance. If you look to Christians and say they're all hypocrites-you're right. That's the point. The difference is this: we know we are sinners and NEED a Savior. Your eyes have been blinded by the Devil so that you don't even believe in God and naturally, if there's no God, there's no sin. I'm convinced otherwise.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Keith: I tend to ignore you given that you are as delusional as the rest who believe in a god that can't be proven to exist.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • TruthPrevails

      Furthermore Keith, I don't believe in sin or the devil...those are both things straight out of the book of horror. Maybe if you stopped and read the book you'd understand that it is full of in.cest, corruption, murder, oppression of women, child abuse, animal sacrifice. There is no heaven or hell, it is all stories. Until you provide physical evidence for your claims, you have no point.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @Susie: "but when you have gotten yourself in to deep trouble they are always there to help you start over". And when a pedophile priest or bishop has gotten a child into deep trouble, they are never there to help it, but are being helped by the church to start over by being relocated to another parrish or sent on a long holiday or early retirement.

      March 8, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Keith

      "Truth"?Prevails, Have you ever burned yourself? Now, imagine that on your entire body for eternity. When you draw your last breath here on earth, you will get more "physical evidence" than you bargained for. Repent before it's too late. I'll pray for you.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @Keith: how can you "repent" for simply not believing in something that hasn't been proven? I don't think "not believing" is a crime; at least it isn't anyhmore since the Middle Ages, when you were in fact burnt for it. And if god would exist and he is a forgiving god like christians claim, why would he not forgive us for using our common sense and the brains he gave us, and thus not believing in him? And after all: if it would be that important to god that we DO believe in him, why doesn't he make that absolutely clear then? Or is he a joker who enjoys letting us in the dark?

      March 8, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • sam stone

      keith: you BELIEVE you need a savior. to have this KNOWLEDGE, you would need to be god. feeling a bit uppity today?

      March 8, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Keith

      sam stone, I KNOW my place. And it is not the Lord's. I'm on the bottom of the mountain of God.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:06 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hey, Keith, long time no see. How are you doing on that FactCheck thingie? Are you going to admit that Obama never said he was Muslim?

      March 8, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      @Keith: why didn't you answer MY questions? Again: how can "not believing" be a crime for someone who has brains, common sense and doesn't believe anything until he sees at least SOME kind of proof? Were the people who didn't believe in gravity before Newton proved it, sinners? Where all the Christians who believed the earth was flat, sinners?

      March 8, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • TruthPrevails

      @Ketih: How very christard of you!! Typical response for someone who has no more proof for hell or heaven than anyone else does. Maybe if you grew up, read a real book you'd understand where the concept of heaven and hell originally arose from.

      March 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Keith

      BelgianWoman, Don't mean to hurt your feelings but answering your questions would be a waste of my time. Sorry.

      March 8, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Translation of Keithspeak into English: Keith has no answers and can't sift facts from fiction.

      Run away, Keith, before everyone figures out what a fraud you are.

      March 9, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
  17. Susie

    If atheists were a little more modest and just stated thier beliefs instead of attacking religious people they might get more than 4% of the population to believe them.

    March 8, 2012 at 4:41 am |
    • Ken Oberman

      We have no reason to get people to believe us. Not like they have anything to lose by believing in fairies and unicorns... except for the time they waste praying and going to church thinking their non-existent souls will be saved. To hell with them : D

      March 8, 2012 at 4:53 am |
    • AusieSceptic1

      so if I couch my atheist views in a diplomatic and un-confrontational manner you'll be impressed and accept my outlook on life as rational and desirable.
      is that what you are saying Susie-

      March 8, 2012 at 4:58 am |
    • Susie

      Then why bother putting up a silly sign that will annoy a bunch of people?

      March 8, 2012 at 5:00 am |
    • Susie

      I would be much more likely to listen to your point of view Ausie.

      March 8, 2012 at 5:01 am |
    • Ken Oberman

      You can't hear out a point of view if you aren't willing to allow the person to talk about their point of view in the first place, you hypocritical idiot. Yes, you susie.

      March 8, 2012 at 6:08 am |
    • Susie

      Your comment makes no sense Ken since I did not attack their right to speak, only commented that they would probably get more with sugar than vinegar. Boy you really need to take a reading class. If they dont want to influence people (your premise) then why put up a sign?

      March 8, 2012 at 6:31 am |
    • just sayin

      Susie the only way atheists get above a 1% rating in this country is if they include agnostics and the indifferent in there numbers.

      March 8, 2012 at 7:50 am |
    • Primewonk

      Susie wrote, "Then why bother putting up a silly sign that will annoy a bunch of people?"

      But it's still OK when fundiot (fundamentalist ldiot) churches pepper the highways and byways with billboards da.mning people to hell, right?

      March 8, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • yannaes

      Many are just angry at "religion" for they did not get a fair shake in what was presented so they think religion and God are one in the same. Let all of us have our day.

      March 8, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "A 1% rating"? Who's "rating" them? You, justalyingcanadagoose?

      March 8, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • AGuest9

      If the religious were a little more modest and just stated their beliefs instead of attacking everyone and forcing their views on those that didn't believe in their specific beliefs, they might not have the rest of the population of the planet wishing that they would just go away.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • AGuest9

      @Susie, this goes both ways. Maybe the fundamentalists and the Knights of Columbus could start by taking down their "threatening" signs.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:05 am |
  18. Locus Pocus

    So, now atheists and agnostics got simpathy for the devil...?

    March 8, 2012 at 4:06 am |
    • AGuest9

      People who are atheist have no reason to believe in your god's evil twin, satan, either.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      What, what? My ears are somewhat warm.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • LinCA

      @Locus Pocus

      You said, "So, now atheists and agnostics got simpathy for the devil...?"
      Nah. Atheists tend to not believe in any mythical beings. The devil is just one more of those figments that simple minded christians tend to believe in. It's sorta their imaginary enemy. He is really their imaginary friend's lackey. He is doing their god's dirty work.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • AGuest9

      Actually, waiting for CNN to return from posting this gave me a second to think. It's ironic that the ancient Romans had a god named Janus, who was two-faced. I am guessing this is where the ancient church/"holy" Roman Empire "borrowed" the concept of an archtypical satan from.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:12 am |
    • BelgianWoman

      The church borrowed everything from ancient religions: God, Jesus, Satan, Mary (the mother-goddess), religious holidays, and everything. Even the "sacrifice" of the human god and "rising after three days" was borrowed from other religions, the most famous of them being Mithraism.

      March 8, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  19. 3pigsonawing

    I've become an atheist a few years ago. All religion is mind control. Belief in god is the same as believing Elmer Fudd is real. More people have been killed from wars started because of religion. No one will ever prove there's a god, yahweh or allah. At least we know that Elmer, Bugs and Daffy are loony tunes characters......

    March 8, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      And quite simply no one will prove God does not exist. All the science and reason has failed time and time again to the point that people are starting to see many Atheist as just the same flip side of the coin of ... "It is because I say it is"

      Religion can be seen as a relationship with God and even a separated relationship is still a relationship. With the nature of these Billboards it is just another militant or better yet .. another radical fanatic.

      March 8, 2012 at 4:24 am |
    • Ken Oberman

      No such thing as a relationship between science and religion. Religion is myth, science actually makes it a point to put theories to the test. Science doesn't use the term "fact" when it isn't proven, unlike religion. Religion claims fact without zero evidence or proof. The real idiots are people of faith. Mark, you're stupid. Just FYI. Please stop making the attempt to come off as being reasonable. It's not possible when you try to defend religion in any way.

      Sorry, but it just doesn't work no matter how many blood vessels you break in your anus trying to hide your stupidity.

      March 8, 2012 at 6:21 am |
    • ThisIsWhy

      Aaaand Todays my parents ne'er hugged me or told me they loved me award goes to Ken. How do you type with fingers stuck in your ears?

      March 8, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Ken, then challenge me with better words. I post to try to find common grounds between folks and it has been seen and commented on by the moderates on all sides of the Faith arguments. Your best argument is that I am stupid. If you feel that is going to bring peace and harmony in society then you are no different than the 700 club and extremist on both sides.

      When trying to find peace, it is always the ones on the extreme that champion division. So, why would I take your advice and stop trying to be reasonable? I think I will keep going and keep fighting and drag as many of you intolerant ones on both sides into the middle as I can.

      March 8, 2012 at 10:22 am |
  20. Aristocles

    Maybe they shouldn't have tried to put an anti-Jewish billboard up on a building owned by a Jew. I see being an atheist doesn't grant you common sense.

    March 8, 2012 at 3:54 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Gotta give them points for arrogance that Hamas would be proud of. 🙂

      March 8, 2012 at 4:26 am |
    • Ken Oberman

      Mark, you must be very proud. What does the bible say about pride?

      Oh that's right, you're a hypocrite.

      March 8, 2012 at 6:22 am |
    • Susie

      Once again Ken you seem to misunderstand the comment. He did not say he was proud, he said Hamas would be proud. They are Muslim by the way and don't read the Bible. I have to say at least you are consistent in your wayward remarks.

      March 8, 2012 at 6:33 am |
    • Nonimus

      @Aristocles,
      Isn't the billboard technically against Judaism, not the Jewish people, per se. So it's not anti-Jewish, it's anti-YHWH. In addition, how was Mr. Silverman supposed to know that the building owner was a religious Jew? Look up Jewish atheism.

      March 8, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • Ashok

      Thankyou sir jaha rahepani hami anhgdruke anhgdruke nai hau . yo manma ghandruko maya bairahnchha .aja yo jun anhgdruke.com bata ghandruk ko naya samachar padna pauda hami dirai khusi lagiraheko chhau . sir audha din haro ma pani abasya pani naya naya sachar padna paune asa gardachau ra antama gaun lagi kehi sahayog ma hami pani prayes gardchhu GHANDRUK SAMAJ HK

      April 1, 2012 at 2:11 am |
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