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March 10th, 2012
11:09 AM ET

Pastor Mark Driscoll on marriage, sex

(CNN)–Pastor Mark Driscoll discusses his new book "Real Marriage" with Piers Morgan.

Driscoll's book sparked controversy when it released earlier this year.  Read more about the controversy here from CNN's Belief Blog.

Read Driscoll's take on the controversy here on the CNN Belief Blog.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church

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  1. b4bigbang

    Yes, Father, i always try to buy the good stuff. I prefer single-malt, but i always buy blended when at over-priced publick houses.
    I find The MacAllan to be quite tasty – also the Islay single malts, also the......oh, i confess – i like them all!

    March 10, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      10 hail mary's son. "wink'

      March 10, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
  2. b4bigbang

    Btw, inspector, i too was a 'nerd' (a skinny one at that) in hi school. I used to wolf down my lunch so i could run to the school library and read Clarke and Asimov.
    I had to wait till the pc computer age b4 being a nerd became "cool".

    March 10, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
  3. b4bigbang

    Inspector, a PhD from Cal-Tech and u let a Bacalaureatte of Biz catch you in a fallacy? Tsk tsk. But i gotta give ya cred 4 having the moxie/mojo to admit it.
    Let's see, u asked re a well-thought out argument. Well, i believe science is interested in observable data (understatement) so i mentioned my healing, which was a whopper of evidence 4 me. Also, a couple of other things happened...

    But a really good long argument comes from some guy i never heard of, but a friend sent it to me. The guy uses philosophy to show that it is indeed logical and good to involve religion as a valid point in these discussions. I didn't read it all, but what i did read seemed, well, logical.
    I'll try and find the web address for ya. It was quite "academic".

    March 10, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      No problema Inspector, i'll ck ya later and try to retrieve that philosophy article 4 ya (i kinda wanna read it thru myself).

      March 10, 2012 at 9:24 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Here's the paper i promised:

      http://www.megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

      March 10, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      Cool. I'll read it. We can gab about it. Thnx.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
  4. b4bigbang

    Father, what r u a-doin' drinkin' Scotch when u should be drinkin' that good old Irish Whisky, me Irish saint-of-a-friend.
    (Actually, i like Scotch too, heh heh. I've found Dewars to be, at least 4 me, hangover-proof. I can't make that claim about any other libation).

    March 10, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      gotta run. maybe check back later. sorry..didn't mean to be obnoxious..I can be very defensive..was a "nerd" ya know.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Well lad, there be a part of me from the highlands and I love the fine whisky from Scotland. And pancakes. Always drink in moderation and drink only the good stuff and you will be fine lad. God bless ya.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:55 pm |
  5. b4bigbang

    While u have demanded and received info about me, you've given nothing re your own.
    Therefore, i will reply to your ques re big bang, etc *after* you pony up some info re your own academic credentials, as i ask for a second time....

    March 10, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      @b4bigbang
      You've got it all wrong son. Life isn't about gods or demons or miracles. It is about a good single malt scotch, a lovely lady, a wee beautiful baby and an appreciation of the absurdity of our improbable, perhaps impossible existence. There ya go son. Bless ya then.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      Physics PHD at Cal Tech. Let's hear the Big Bang stuff. (BTW you are totally correct about the No True Scottsman thing..however no one I know is a belieber, and CERTAINLY no one in my class was).

      March 10, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Ungodly Discipline

      I have some questions for both of you. And I don't mean any disrespect you understand and you just might surprise me, but:

      1. How many mountain tops have you been to? (me=4) (The top of Whistler in BC was the best)
      2. How many ancient Aztec and/or Anastazi settlements have you explored? (me=2)
      3. How many rain forests have you explored? (me=3)
      4. How many varieties of whales, dolphins, seals and sea lions have you observed up close? (me=6)
      5. How many times have you been stuck on a rock at low tide (me=1 – I was a dumb-a.s.s)
      6. How many times have you been at the end of a rainbow? (me=2) Once on the Napali Coast in Kauai in Hawaii and once in Yosemite National Park on a hike to a waterfall.
      7. How many times have you been to the most amazing place on Earth, Yellowstone National Park? (me=3)
      I could go on, the point is, stop with the p.i.s.s.ing contest. Life is about doing, not talking. I can’t wait for my European vacation. And yes I have done the East too, I just happen to love the West more.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Chad

      @Inspector Clouseau "Physics PHD at Cal Tech. Let's hear the Big Bang stuff."

      =>The universe cant have an infinite past history, everything that is known to date points to a beginning where all of space and time was created.
      That which triggered that creation must have in and of itself existed outside our space time.

      Now, you can believe that that being is Zeus, or the FSM, but the point remains that an external entity must have triggered the creation.

      The evidence points to that entity being the God of Abraham.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What evidence? There isn't any such "evidence" except in your belief system.

      When will you realize that simply because we do not know "how" or "when" something occurred, it does not follow that "goddidit".

      You have no facts to support your conclusions.

      March 10, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Chad – "The evidence points to that enti.ty being the God of Abraham."
      I second Tom Tom's question...what evidence? I've said it to you before, Chad, and I'll say it again – you can't make ridiculous as.sertions and expect no one will call BULLSH1T!

      March 11, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Chad
      ...and just because I know how much we both enjoy it...
      Remember when you posted these nonsensical gems Chad?

      "I dismiss all other gods other than the God of Abraham because the God of Abraham has told me that they aren't real."

      "Every book that purports to accurately record history needs to be examined critically for internal consistency and for its accuracy in detail. The bible succeeds on all accounts."

      "The Genesis account stands alone amongst all creation stories of the time, a fact universally acknowledged...We are only know [sic] beginning to scientifically discover how accurate it is indeed."

      'As for supernatural vs natural processes, I also believe that the origin of life, and the development of more and more complex life forms on earth in the stages reflected in the fossil record, is the direct result of supernatural intervention (it's called "punctuated equilibrium" )'

      What a dolt.

      March 11, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Chad

      1. Origin of the universe
      2. Origin of life on earth
      3. Fossil evidence for creation according to Genesis, the gaps in the fossil record correspond exactly (fish, birds/land animals, humans)
      4. Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead

      March 11, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • Really-O?

      Chad – "1. Origin of the universe"...
      That post doesn't even deserve a thoughtful response. You clearly have nothing to offer unless you're plagiarizer from Wikipedia.

      March 11, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • Really-O?

      Dam.n typos (and Mr. Walker's magic elixir) – plagiarizing, not plagiarizer.

      March 11, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • Chad

      "The absolute origin of the universe, of all matter and energy, even of physical space and time themselves, in the Big Bang singularity contradicts the perennial naturalistic assumption that the universe has always existed. One after another, models designed to avert the initial cosmological singularity–the Steady State model, the Oscillating model, Vacuum Fluctuation models–have come and gone. Current quantum gravity models, such as the Hartle-Hawking model and the Vilenkin model, must appeal to the physically unintelligible and metaphysically dubious device of "imaginary time" to avoid the universe's beginning. The contingency implied by an absolute beginning ex nihilo points to a transcendent cause of the universe beyond space and time. Philosophical objections to a cause of the universe fail to carry conviction." – Craig

      March 11, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Chad-
      Seriously Chad? The best you have is a word-salad from William Lane Craig, a Christian apologist, as "evidence" in support of your unsupportable claims regarding the origin of the universe – really?! And right back to the copy & paste? Do you have any original thoughts? Are you capable of constructing a rational argument? (Hint – that's a rhetorical question. I've interacted with you long enough to know the answer). Lordy lord.

      March 11, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Chad

      @chad "God created the universe, all of space and time. Genesis -1"
      @Really-O "you cant use the bible to prove your point"

      @chad "hmm. ok then
      "The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model that explains the early development of the Universe.[1] According to the Big Bang theory, the Universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state which expanded rapidly. This rapid expansion caused the young Universe to cool and resulted in its present continuously expanding state. According to the most recent measurements and observations, this original state existed approximately 13.7 billion years ago,[2][3] which is considered the age of the Universe and the time the Big Bang occurred – Wikipedia"
      @Really-O "WHAT?? you cant use wikipedia to prove your point!!! IDIOT!!"

      @Chad "hmm, ok then "Einsteins general theory of relativity predicts all of space and time was created at a certain point"
      @Really-O "WHAT?? you cant use Einstein to prove your point!!! IDIOT!!"

      @Chad "hmm, ok then:
      "The absolute origin of the universe, of all matter and energy, even of physical space and time themselves, in the Big Bang singularity contradicts the perennial naturalistic assumption that the universe has always existed. One after another, models designed to avert the initial cosmological singularity–the Steady State model, the Oscillating model, Vacuum Fluctuation models–have come and gone. Current quantum gravity models, such as the Hartle-Hawking model and the Vilenkin model, must appeal to the physically unintelligible and metaphysically dubious device of "imaginary time" to avoid the universe's beginning. The contingency implied by an absolute beginning ex nihilo points to a transcendent cause of the universe beyond space and time. Philosophical objections to a cause of the universe fail to carry conviction." – Craig
      @ Really-O "WHAT?? you cant cite a philosopher that is 50-0 in debates with atheists!! IDIOT!!

      lol indeed.. 🙂

      March 12, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • Really-O?

      @Chad – Regarding, '@chad "God created the universe, all of space and time. Genesis -1'...blah, blah, blah, ad nauseam.

      Copy & paste does not an argument make. I think Shakespeare said that.

      And what the heck does any of that have to do with –
      "1. Origin of the universe
      2. Origin of life on earth
      3. Fossil evidence for creation according to Genesis, the gaps in the fossil record correspond exactly (fish, birds/land animals, humans)
      4. Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead"
      ...which had nothing to do with the original question Tom Tom asked you –
      -What evidence is there that the god of Abraham is the creator of the universe?

      You really are a knucklehead.

      March 12, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Chad

      1. Origin of the universe
      =>points to the necessity of an "uncaused cause" existing external to our time/space.

      2. Origin of life on earth
      =>points to the necessity of designer that would by necessity exist external to our universe.

      3. Fossil evidence for creation according to Genesis, the gaps in the fossil record correspond exactly (fish, birds/land animals, humans)
      =>points to the necessity of designer that would by necessity exist external to our universe.
      =>additionally, this points to the credibility of the Bible as an authentic record of creation. Don't forget; the Genesis account stands alone amongst all creation stories of the time, a fact universally acknowledged...We are only now beginning to scientifically discover how accurate it is indeed. Every book that purports to accurately record history needs to be examined critically for internal consistency and for its accuracy in detail. The bible succeeds on all accounts.
      =>Note also that after 120 years of willful ignorance, the atheist paleontology community has been forced to abandon Darwins gradualism in favor of a theory completely consistent with a designer (punctuated equilibrium)

      4. Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead
      =>validates the claims that Jesus made about himself during his life on this earth, namely that he is the Jewish Messiah. It also provides an additional validation of God as the deliverer of that Messiah to humanity.

      Now, you can believe the FSM is responsible for #1 and #2 if you like. It seems irrational to me.
      #3 and #4 being true quite clearly indicates that the God of Abraham is the external entity responsible for #1 and #2.

      🙂

      Which is of course why I can say with confidence I dismiss all other gods other than the God of Abraham because the God of Abraham has told me that they aren't real.

      March 12, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Really-O?

      O.K. Chad –

      First, we're talking about science, not philosophy (including logic and theology)...that should be a given; therefore, we are talking about empirical evidence (based on observation or experience; repeatable)

      So, point by point –
      1. The "uncaused cause" argument is philosophy. If you claim it's not, what specific empirical evidence do you have supporting the necessity of an "uncaused cause"?
      2. Again – philosophy. What specific empirical evidence points to the necessity of a "designer" to explain the origins of life?
      3. Once again – these are philosophical arguments with the following exceptions:
      -"Fossil evidence for creation" – this is simply false. Stop reading Christian Apologetics and read some real biological science from real biologists. If you're not willing to do that, you're doomed to ignorance (which I already know is the case).
      -"...a theory completely consistent with a designer (punctuated equilibrium)" – Patently false [and dishonest, even you admitted punctuated equilibria is a theory of evolution by NATURAL causes (deny it and I'll post the URL to your post).] And, you need to stop the "Darwin's gradualism" nonsense already. You've been schooled about this and your hijacking of Gould's theory man times on this blog by people much smarter and more knowledgeable then either of us (Q, for example). It's dishonest and shameful to continue this sham.
      4. This is irrelevant to the creation of the universe question. Regardless, you have ZERO empirical evidence supporting this claim. If you do, present it...you'll receive the Nobel prize.

      Two final points –
      -If the "god of Abraham", or any other god, spoke to you as you claim, you need to seek psychiatric help immediately.
      -Only adolescents (or those of the same developmental status) use emoticons.

      Longest response I've ever given you Chad and, I'm sure, it was all a waste of time.

      P.S. Just FYI regarding some of the brilliant scientists whose work you hijack:
      -Einstein – non-believer
      -Gould – non-believer
      -Hawking – non-believer

      March 12, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Chad

      @Really-O? “The "uncaused cause" argument is philosophy. If you claim it's not, what specific empirical evidence do you have supporting the necessity of an "uncaused cause"?
      @Chad: “100% false, we can observe that the universe had a beginning, that’s a fact, we can observe that the universe cannot be infinite in the past, that's a fact. These are scientists making this point, not philosophers. 🙂

      ===========
      @Really-O? “What specific empirical evidence points to the necessity of a "designer" to explain the origins of life?”
      @Chad “We can scientifically observe the phenomenally long odds of life ever spontaneously appearing randomly.

      Where Did the First Living Cell Come From? (howstuffworks.com)
      In order for the principles of mutation and natural selection in the theory of evolution to work, there have to be living things for them to work on. Life must exist before it can to start diversifying. Life had to come from somewhere, and the theory of evolution proposes that it arose spontaneously out of the inert chemicals of planet Earth perhaps 4 billion years ago.
      Could life arise spontaneously? If you read How Cells Work, you can see that even a primitive cell like an E. coli bacteria - one of the simplest life forms in existence today - is amazingly complex. Following the E. coli model, a cell would have to contain at an absolute minimum:
      • A cell wall of some sort to contain the cell
      • A genetic blueprint for the cell (in the form of DNA)
      • An enzyme capable of copying information out of the genetic blueprint to manufacture new proteins and enzymes
      • An enzyme capable of manufacturing new enzymes, along with all of the building blocks for those enzymes
      • An enzyme that can build cell walls
      • An enzyme able to copy the genetic material in preparation for cell splitting (reproduction)
      • An enzyme or enzymes able to take care of all of the other operations of splitting one cell into two to implement reproduction (For example, something has to get the second copy of the genetic material separated from the first, and then the cell wall has to split and seal over in the two new cells.)
      • Enzymes able to manufacture energy molecules to power all of the previously mentioned enzymes
      Obviously, the E. coli cell itself is the product of billions of years of evolution, so it is complex and intricate - much more complex than the first living cells. Even so, the first living cells had to possess:
      • A cell wall
      • The ability to maintain and expand the cell wall (grow)
      • The ability to process "food" (other molecules floating outside the cell) to create energy
      • The ability to split itself to reproduce
      Otherwise, it is not really a cell and it is not really alive. To try to imagine a primordial cell with these capabilities spontaneously creating itself, it is helpful to consider some simplifying assumptions. For example:
      • Perhaps the original energy molecule was very different from the mechanism found in living cells today, and the energy molecules happened to be abundant and free-floating in the environment. Therefore, the original cell would not have had to manufacture them.
      • Perhaps the chemical composition of the Earth was conducive to the spontaneous production of protein chains, so the oceans were filled with unimaginable numbers of random chains and enzymes.
      • Perhaps the first cell walls were naturally forming lipid spheres, and these spheres randomly entrapped different combinations of chemicals.
      • Perhaps the first genetic blueprint was something other than DNA.
      These examples do simplify the requirements for the "original cell," but it is still a long way to spontaneous generation of life. Perhaps the first living cells were completely different from what we see today, and no one has yet imagined what they might have been like. Speaking in general terms, life can only have come from one of two possible places:
      • Spontaneous creation – Random chemical processes created the first living cell.
      • Supernatural creation – God or some other supernatural power created the first living cell.
      And it doesn't really matter if aliens or meteorites brought the first living cell to earth, because the alienswould have come into existence through either spontaneous creation or supernatural creation at some point - something had to create the first alien cells.

      🙂

      ===========
      @Really-O? “Fossil evidence for creation" – this is simply false.”
      @Chad LOL
      The largest gaps in the fossil record correspond exactly to the beings cited as creations of God, namely fish, birds/land animals and humans. That’s just reality. The question for you is, why is that reality? How is it possible that we have billions of invertebrate fossils, but no record of how fish “naturally” evolved?
      🙂

      ===========
      @Really-O? “-"...a theory completely consistent with a designer (punctuated equilibrium)" – Patently false [and dishonest, even you admitted punctuated equilibria is a theory of evolution by NATURAL causes
      @Chad “I’ll call you on that! I definitely deny that I ever said PE is inconsistent with a designer, it is 100% consistent with a designer. It’s irrelevant that Gould was not a believer, the fact is that PE is consistent with ID.
      🙂

      ===========
      @Really-O? And, you need to stop the "Darwin's gradualism" nonsense already.
      @Chad “Darwinian gradualism is dead, dead, dead, dead. Fact fact fact. See Gould excoriation of the scientific community for that willfull ignorance (accuse me of quote mining and I’m happy to post the entire PE paper as I have done before to demonstrate my quotes entirely in context)

      ===========
      @Really-O? “[Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead] is irrelevant to the creation of the universe question.
      @Chad “Please try and pay attention.. 🙂 I said that the resurrection “validates the claims that Jesus made about himself during his life on this earth, namely that he is the Jewish Messiah. It also provides an additional validation of God as the deliverer of that Messiah to humanity.”
      I was not relating that to the beginning of the universe… 🙂

      ===========
      @Really-O? “-If the "god of Abraham", or any other god, spoke to you as you claim, you need to seek psychiatric help immediately.”
      @Chad “God has spoken to all of us, see the bible.

      ===========
      @Really-O? “Einstein – non-believer-Gould – non-believer-Hawking – non-believer”
      @Chad “One correction, Einstein was a deist (but not a Christian or believer in the God of Abraham).
      I realize that it’s infuriating that a Christian relies on science when you are trying to make a nonsense claim that Christianity is entirely based on faith in direct opposition to observable evidence, but tuff 🙂

      March 13, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Chad –
      Methinks thou dost protest too much. You're lost. I hope you find your delusion is enjoyable.

      March 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  6. b4bigbang

    Oh, and Btw, u committed the 'no true Scottsman' fallacy when, after i pointed out that the ranks of top scientists have a healthy number of believers, one of your replies was "No intelligent person believes the ancient desert god "created" the universe...".

    March 10, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
  7. b4bigbang

    Inspector Clouseau: "ad populum fallacy b4".

    Your freshman-level 'logic' has its limitations son-of-Spock. Would i be avoiding an 'ad populum fallacy' if i bought into my conspiracy nut friend's (we'll call him "Clouseau") theories and started believing in a "Reptillian alien invasion"?

    March 10, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      You tell me. I see you don't know any Logic. Not surprising. You always have "retorts", but not one reason, or refutation. Are you sure you went to college ?

      March 10, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      I'm certainly no master of logic studies but i did take critical thinking in college and got a B+
      I also notice a tendency for atheist-trolls on cnn to ignore a well-thought-out statement given from the opposing camp, all the while repeatedly demanding an answer.

      For example, the other day when i posted re a healing that gave evidence of God, that statement was totally ignored.

      Btw, what's *your* degree? From the way u r talking, i suppose u must be a PhD in cosmology or whatnot.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      Close.
      Still no real point. Tell us a little about *before* the Big Bang.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      BTW, where was that "well thought out statement" ?

      March 10, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
  8. Father O'blivion

    Boys and Girls, the good news is Pastor Mark is donating all of the profits from book sales to those in need. Right?

    March 10, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
  9. b4bigbang

    Inspector Clouseau, actually he was in his 40s, (plus the fact that there are MANY religious scientists at major universities), but hey, it's a free country so go ahead and ignore the facts while (desperately) attempting to marginalize the religious intelligentsia.

    March 10, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      No intelligent person believes the ancient desert god "created" the universe. They are delusional.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      In your minority opinion, inspec cl....

      March 10, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      ad populum fallacy b4

      March 10, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      b4,
      You DO realize, I hope, that your name betrays your ignorance of BOTH Logic & Physics ?

      March 10, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
  10. Muneef

    I believe in marriage before sx...

    March 10, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Aye Muneef, and throwing acid on the young girls's face after. Just as the good father above intended my son. Bless ya then.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Or if ya prefer Muneef, you can frame the lass by having her r.a.p.e.d and then toss a few stones at her. Just enough to make sure she be quite dead and has suffered enough for your primitive Islamic blood lust. Then we can all have some fluffy white pancakes! Bless you then laddy.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • Muneef

      Hah and you call your self Father...! While you must be a Child Molester or a Gay in disguise...go kill your self of shame...

      March 13, 2012 at 9:30 am |
  11. Walter Socket

    Why are we still so focused on this (religion) after we have discovered how most things work and God just doesn't fit into the equation. For example, I could spend years studying how the universe was formed, how the body works, etc. or I could just say: "God did it. He created everything." Believers are either too lazy to study the facts or unable to understand them. Some of the symptoms of Schizophrenia are: Hearing voices that aren't there. (God speaks to me) Talking to people who don't exist (God/Jesus speaks to me). You see where I'm going here. If you go back and see how religion started (The Golden Bough by James Frazier is a good start), you'll see that it's all about money, power, and manipulation. Has been from the beginning and still is today. We could advance so much faster as a society if it wasn't for this nonsense dragging us down.

    March 10, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Walter Socket, tell that to the physics professor who pastored the student fellowship i attended at the award-winning secular university where i earned my biz degree....

      March 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      big4
      There are always exceptions, and old professors who refuse to look at the implications of what they have discovered, even if it staring them in the face.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Usually after 3 or 12 nips off the Hippy Poet's Glenfiddich, I begin to hear the good father above whisper to me. Usually he tells me what time the leprechaun will be there Sunday mornin' to help with the pancakes for my flock. I do hope the wee b a s t ard where's clean socks this time! Bless ya then.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Dear me, too many nips already. I be meanin' "wears" clean socks.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's worth posting this again Socket ...

      Jesus said,

      But there are some of you who do not believe.

      Not believing dictates not understanding.

      2 Corinthians 4:4

      Amen.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
  12. Father O'blivion

    Children, children please, don't be listening to this lad and his tightly wound ideas! Get on your feet an' do the funky Alfonzo!

    Won't you eat my pancakes?
    Just for Saintly Alfonzo
    They're so light 'n fluffy-white

    I will bring your snow shoes! Bless ya all then.

    March 10, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Observer

      Where I stole the margarine?

      March 10, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Well Observer, it's about time you confessed to the 'ol father that YOU are the one who wheedled on the bingo cards! I laughed a wee bit me-self (no pun intended), but the blue hairs were a might upset! Look for the latrine next time son. Bless ya then.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • Jim

      Someone's trying a wee bit hard to let everyone know he's Irish.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      That be true Jimmy, and ya should stop embarassing yerself so. Bless ya then.

      March 10, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
  13. Flinders the Butler

    No one care about what the Ancient Near Eastern god of the armies/ Lord of Hosts (Yahweh Sabaoth) is said to have said about anthing, or anyone. It's the 21st Century. Long past time to move on. He is making MONEY..that's all he cares about. He is occupationally obligated to his views.

    March 10, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesus said,

      But there are some of you who do not believe.

      Not believing dictates not understanding.

      2 Corinthians 4:4

      Amen.

      March 10, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Aye lassy, Jesus said many a thing. But he never had a bad word for me pancakes. I dare say he might have a few words to say about the stench in your double wide, only fer yer own good o'course. Bless ya then Lass.

      March 10, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      The point is HS, of course the writer would have him say something like that. What did you expect ? Give us something objective, or STFU.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      How about, you're lost souls that haven't a clue that you're lost.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      How about learning the difference between "your" and "you're".
      Prove to us BTW, that *souls* exist.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved”

      Acts 16:31

      Amen.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
  14. Steve

    Wow. Piers is perhaps the worst interviewer I have ever heard ... no questions – only statements and interruptions. This Driscoll guy handled himself well considering the "intolerance" of the interviewer.

    I also love the wisdom of "if a lot of people believe in something and you don't then you must be wrong." I guess Wilberforce was wrong about slavery? Ludicrous argument and I don't even believe in the Bible ... at least this Christian pastor has a standard to base his beliefs rather than the shifting sands of public opinion.

    March 10, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Amen brother.

      This is the same tactic he corner Kirk Cameron with, "Since 7 state legalized gay marriage then you must be wrong". This made me laugh because even my Morgan's standard of majority rule 7 out of 50 still does not qualify.

      March 12, 2012 at 9:12 am |
  15. gupsphoo

    Mark Driscoll is a lunatic! Please listen to his seaman in which he ranted an hour about Oprah! I'm not a supporter of Oprah but this guy is a total nutcase!

    March 10, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  16. momoya

    Quote: "I'm trying to look at biblical principles."

    He's obviously not heeding much the ones that talk about the proper purchase price for your daughter or stoning your teenage son if he gets caught lying about taking the trash out last night.

    March 10, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      If you weren't so stoned while you read Jesus' wisdom, you'd probably would have understood those scriptures. Then, again, you'd have to comprehend the surrounding scriptures. We know how you non-believers like to pick and choose what to complain about.

      P.S. your mom is stilling calling you to take the garbage out. She told us you can stay at the curb with it.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
  17. Nii

    But Zargoth if it changes a man's mind it changes things.

    March 10, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      The mind may change, there is no proof that prayer did it. The only thing prayer does is to increase endorphin levels. You can also do that by jogging.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Better to jog in the pool to prevent impact. All the folks that I knew that were freaks for the sport have had their knees operated on. Now they just hobble along ... no more runners high.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And I know a 70-year-old who just finished a marathon. His knees are fine.

      March 10, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
  18. Reality

    Using your intelligence no matter what your marital status is the key.

    To wit:

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Doubling up i.e. using the Pill and a condom would be the intelligent thing to do.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter.

    March 10, 2012 at 11:35 am |
    • .....

      Hit report abuse on all reality garbage

      March 10, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      yes, obviously if you contract an STD, you're stupid. what a brilliant analysis.

      March 10, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Reality, since you are pushing the health agenda, why not bash the media as the prime culprit for all the negative messages they pump into the homes of the public? You opt to go half way all the time. Why is that? Must be the intelligent option you choose... aka you know where your bread is buttered!

      March 10, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      A happy Saturdee to ya Heaven Sent. Tell my Lassy, have ya had any luck finding those dead kitty carca.s.ses in your trailer then? That can be quite a health concern indeed! Bless ya then!

      March 10, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Dear Father ... you are under the impression I live in a warm climate.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
  19. RightTurnClyde

    I like this .. he is what most Catholics (and others) have experienced in priests - dedicated to serving God by serving others. 99.9% of the Roman Catholic priests are of this nature - Flanagan being and incredible achiever (for God's will). CHOC hospital (entirely SIsters of St. Joseph), St. Jude, Father Joe's, St. Francis – Evanston, Loyola – Maywood - all build entirely with Christian love. And the Protestant faith is not to be overlook - Passavant Memorial, Presbyterian St. Lukes, Lutheran Deaconess. Many Christian orphanages, hospitals, shelters, schools, nursing homes. God's love; the peace of Christ - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

    March 10, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • Clyde posts under the name "Mark" too

      What an idiot you are. You posted on the totally wrong story.

      No mention of the million it costs to buy sainthood? No mention of what Catholic priests did in South America to obliterate the native culture and enslave the people? No mention of the inquisitions or the role of the Vactican in many many medeival and rennaissance wars? Crusades?

      Of course not.

      March 10, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Hey Clod, cough, I mean Clyde. What did you do during those times? Oh, you weren't born yet. Neither was the person who posted.

      March 10, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Clyde posts under the name "HeavenSent" too

      Yes, that forgives everything. A consistent history of atrocities is easily forgotten when it happened before you were born, like the abuse scandal.

      The atheists here were not born yet when Stalin was around, yet nincompoops like you accuse them of complicity in that. You wouldn't want to come off as hypocritical by now saying that it doesn't apply, do you?

      March 10, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Inspector Clouseau

      More like 75 % bad. In my parish :
      1 was active gay,
      2 was having affair with married woman
      3 was a drunk
      4 was the boss, and too stupid to do anything
      + the archbishop was known to be having affairs with many men.
      Not exactly 99.99 %.

      March 10, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I only post under my own handle. That's if a non-believer steals it to post their nonsense.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
  20. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    March 10, 2012 at 11:25 am |
    • Zargoth

      Only in your own mind....

      March 10, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • mikey

      I agree with you 'Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things', prayer does change everything. My whole life testifies to this.

      March 10, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Aye son, pray for me and St. Alphonzo's pancakes! They are the best lad.

      March 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Dear Father, don't quit your day job.

      March 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Father O'blivion

      Well thank ya lass, and I certainly won't. My job is to save your soul. Big job but I won't give up will I? Bless you.

      March 10, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
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